laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Moonsister: You are too funny!

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Her comment that she knew 2-years ago is twisted beyond belief. First of all, if she did in fact know 2-years ago that her Brother was gonna die, you would think that she would know if there was a Will, and Prince would have had things documented and in order before he knew he was gonna die!

Tkya has nothing to do with Prince's will. If wanted to have one he would have drafted one he did not end of story. If he knew he was going to die and told her ahead of time so be it. Is it so out of the realm of possibility that he was ill?

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Chillax!!

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I was just trying to make a point that if Tyka knew her Brother was going to die, you would think that Prince would have had his house in order, that's all I'm saying. Tyka doesn't seem to have a clue about anything, imo.

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Too much tension here today, geez!!

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

Laura did you change Penny's words to suit your agenda of drug addict vs drug victim?

oliviacamron said:

Yeah, Laura it looks like you put YOUR TWISTED INFERENCE in quotes as if Penny said that. Shame on you. Now Olivia has blown a gasket and could get thrown out of the org because of your comment that added nothing to the discussion.

Or is it not your fault that Olivia blew a gasket, and maybe Olivia's behavior and choices are Olivia's fault??
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Once again Prince had no idea the pill he took was a fake ...the person that gave it to him IMO knew what they were doing on the 14th and the 20th.
The reference to a burger is the same as if you eat out expecting a burger and someone knowingly slips something bad for you to eat the person that gave you the tainted burger is guilty....not the innocent person who ate it.

laurarichardson said:

Tkya has nothing to do with Prince's will. If wanted to have one he would have drafted one he did not end of story. If he knew he was going to die and told her ahead of time so be it. Is it so out of the realm of possibility that he was ill?

No, not at all and I along with a number of others think that was exactly the case. If you look at what we've heard, then a terminal illness is quite likely. And if you take her at her words, then that is exactly what he did tell her. Given how things played out immediately following his death, it seems very clear that there were things in place when the inevitable occurred. And I have no doubt that P took certain actions knowing that his time here was almost over.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said: Tkya has nothing to do with Prince's will. If wanted to have one he would have drafted one he did not end of story. If he knew he was going to die and told her ahead of time so be it. Is it so out of the realm of possibility that he was ill?

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Chillax!!

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I was just trying to make a point that if Tyka knew her Brother was going to die, you would think that Prince would have had his house in order, that's all I'm saying. Tyka doesn't seem to have a clue about anything, imo.

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Too much tension here today, geez!!

I think Prince did have his "house" in order, even though it may not be apparent or make sense to others. Prince did not care about the money but did take actions to protect his music.

Mumio said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Chillax!!

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I was just trying to make a point that if Tyka knew her Brother was going to die, you would think that Prince would have had his house in order, that's all I'm saying. Tyka doesn't seem to have a clue about anything, imo.

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Too much tension here today, geez!!

I think Prince did have his "house" in order, even though it may not be apparent or make sense to others. Prince did not care about the money but did take actions to protect his music.

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And Laura, for the record, I am with you in regard to how you see a recreational user versus someone who is using pain meds to control a medical condition and becomes addicted as a result. I am not at all on board with Prince self-medicating for emotional reasons as has been mentioned by others. I know people who are addicted due to serious painful medical conditions and I have lost a family member who was a recreational user. There IS a difference no matter how much people want to say otherwise.

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Mumio said:

Mumio said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Chillax!!

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I was just trying to make a point that if Tyka knew her Brother was going to die, you would think that Prince would have had his house in order, that's all I'm saying. Tyka doesn't seem to have a clue about anything, imo.

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Too much tension here today, geez!!

I think Prince did have his "house" in order, even though it may not be apparent or make sense to others. Prince did not care about the money but did take actions to protect his music.

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Perhaps he did have certain things in order, but clearly not important things, like having a Will, so that financials would be clearly mapped-out and so that the family would not have to fight about who gets what. That's the point I was trying to make. It just seems odd to me, that's all. I guess I'm the only one here who feels that way?

cloveringold85 said:

Mumio said:

I think Prince did have his "house" in order, even though it may not be apparent or make sense to others. Prince did not care about the money but did take actions to protect his music.

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Perhaps he did have certain things in order, but clearly not important things, like having a Will, so that financials would be clearly mapped-out and so that the family would not have to fight about who gets what. That's the point I was trying to make. It just seems odd to me, that's all. I guess I'm the only one here who feels that way?

That is exactly one of the things I am talking about. He didn't care about the money so why bother trying to portion it out? And maybe he did want them to work for it....after all, he certainly worked hard enough for it, didn't he? Having a will is important to you and that's all well and good...but it wasn't important to him. That's why there isn't one.

Mumio said:

And Laura, for the record, I am with you in regard to how you see a recreational user versus someone who is using pain meds to control a medical condition and becomes addicted as a result. I am not at all on board with Prince self-medicating for emotional reasons. I know people who are addicted due to serious painful medical conditions and I have lost a family member who was a recreational user. There IS a difference no matter how much people want to say otherwise.

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And I've said all along, there is a HUGE difference between someone using drugs for shits & giggles & someone using drugs for chronic pain. Even on one of my posts I gave my husbands history with chronic pain, and said how big of a role the drs. and big pharma plays. Also how hard these drugs are to obtain, for the ones who need it the most, because of all the abusers who use them for shits and giggles.

Mumio said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Perhaps he did have certain things in order, but clearly not important things, like having a Will, so that financials would be clearly mapped-out and so that the family would not have to fight about who gets what. That's the point I was trying to make. It just seems odd to me, that's all. I guess I'm the only one here who feels that way?

That is exactly one of the things I am talking about. He didn't care about the money so why bother trying to portion it out? And maybe he did want them to work for it....after all, he certainly worked hard enough for it, didn't he? Having a will is important to you and that's all well and good...but it wasn't important to him. That's why there isn't one.

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We don't really know what Prince's reason was for not having a Will.

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He could have at least had a Will so that Tyka would have what he wanted her to have, like any loving brother, other sibling or parent would do. That is the way I look at it. Tyka is his only full-blooded sibling, so it would make perfect sense for him to make sure she gets a certain amount of money and property from his estate. Just my 2 cents.

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We still don't know if he has a Will somewhere. We just don't know that for a fact if he had one or didn't have one.

cloveringold85 said:

I totally wish he had a will! But I am reading things here about LLC's and how future earnings from his music will go to the LLC and not his family. I have my fingers crossed because I really want to buy the new Purple Rain issue but don't want my money to be fought over by anyone. I'd like to think it goes to a Prince chosen Non Profit.

Mumio said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Perhaps he did have certain things in order, but clearly not important things, like having a Will, so that financials would be clearly mapped-out and so that the family would not have to fight about who gets what. That's the point I was trying to make. It just seems odd to me, that's all. I guess I'm the only one here who feels that way?

That is exactly one of the things I am talking about. He didn't care about the money so why bother trying to portion it out? And maybe he did want them to work for it....after all, he certainly worked hard enough for it, didn't he? Having a will is important to you and that's all well and good...but it wasn't important to him. That's why there isn't one.

YEP

moonsister said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Perhaps he did have certain things in order, but clearly not important things, like having a Will, so that financials would be clearly mapped-out and so that the family would not have to fight about who gets what. That's the point I was trying to make. It just seems odd to me, that's all. I guess I'm the only one here who feels that way?

I totally wish he had a will! But I am reading things here about LLC's and how future earnings from his music will go to the LLC and not his family. I have my fingers crossed because I really want to buy the new Purple Rain issue but don't want my money to be fought over by anyone. I'd like to think it goes to a Prince chosen Non Profit.

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I am totally on-board with that as well.

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Prince was passionate about giving to charitable causes and this would make him incredibly happy.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Once again Prince had no idea the pill he took was a fake ...the person that gave it to him IMO knew what they were doing on the 14th and the 20th. The reference to a burger is the same as if you eat out expecting a burger and someone knowingly slips something bad for you to eat the person that gave you the tainted burger is guilty....not the innocent person who ate it.

No, the reference to the burger, is someone who is wishing I would die. No if's, ands, or buts about it.

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And I agree with you that Prince had no idea the pill he took was fake.

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I still say the person who obtained those illegal (street drugs) didn't know they were fake either. Those people make those fake pills look as real as possible. So I still think, the person who obtained them, knew they were illegal, but didn't know that they were fake.

cloveringold85 said:

No you are not the only one. Even if he had left a will it could and would have been contested, we know that because it is evident they all feel entitled. The situation would still be a battle and all the money would dwindle away just the same as it is right now. Maybe he balanced it out and said....let them fight it out. Maybe he wanted them to do something else other than stand with their hand out looking to be given something that is not theirs to have. They didn't work and sweat and dog to earn the money. If it were me I would have protected the music and put the rest in trusts going to my charities case closed, the family can work and provide for themselves.

PennyPurple said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Once again Prince had no idea the pill he took was a fake ...the person that gave it to him IMO knew what they were doing on the 14th and the 20th. The reference to a burger is the same as if you eat out expecting a burger and someone knowingly slips something bad for you to eat the person that gave you the tainted burger is guilty....not the innocent person who ate it.

No, the reference to the burger, is someone who is wishing I would die. No if's, ands, or buts about it.

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And I agree with you that Prince had no idea the pill he took was fake.

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I still say the person who obtained those illegal (street drugs) didn't know they were fake either. Those people make those fake pills look as real as possible. So I still think, the person who obtained them, knew they were illegal, but didn't know that they were fake.

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PennyPurple: So sorry, honey. That was a harsh comment and it was hurtful. Just seems out of character for Olivia to say something like that. I have no idea what's going on, but I don't condone that type of talk either. You need an extra big hug today!!

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I agree too on the second part. Whomever got those illegal/street pills probably thought they were legit.

zenarose said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Perhaps he did have certain things in order, but clearly not important things, like having a Will, so that financials would be clearly mapped-out and so that the family would not have to fight about who gets what. That's the point I was trying to make. It just seems odd to me, that's all. I guess I'm the only one here who feels that way?

No you are not the only one. Even if he had left a will it could and would have been contested, we know that because it is evident they all feel entitled. The situation would still be a battle and all the money would dwindle away just the same as it is right now. Maybe he balanced it out and said....let them fight it out. Maybe he wanted them to do something else other than stand with their hand out looking to be given something that is not theirs to have. They didn't work and sweat and dog to earn the money. If it were me I would have protected the music and put the rest in trusts going to my charities case closed, the family can work and provide for themselves.

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True. The way they are all acting now just shows us things would get ugly if Prince had a Will to say who gets what; it would turn ugly, either way.

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I agree. Prince was adamant on how his music would be managed going forward. I hope the money from his music will go towards the charities he loved. He was a real stickler for people earning their keep! I don't blame him. He worked hard for everything he had, no doubt about that.

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I still think Tyka does not know much, LOL

cloveringold85 said:

I get what you're saying penny and I know I the minority on this and I'm ok with this, but the idea that there's a massive difference between people who use drugs for what appears to others to be "shits and giggles" and chronic physical pain seems just a bit too simplistic to me.
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I've read tons of stories from people who started taking opioids that weren't prescribed to them. A lot of these people were dealing with, frankly, heavy shit. In fact every story I've read from someone who reached the point of addiction was dealing with some major issues. Stuff like combat ptad, sexual abuse survival, undiagnosed chronic depression and more. Assuming that it's all just about partying and irresponsibility is I think not quite right.
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People can scoff at mental and emotional problems and say, well, other options are available but for various reasons people don't know about or can't or won't access those options. It's a real, serious problem.
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And I hold to the idea that things aren't always so black and white and easy to categorize for every person,especially over many years. Things change and can be complicated and don't always fall into such neat categories.
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Oh and I'm definitely not thinking of your husband here. His experience with chronic physical pain sounds awful!

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disch said:

I get what you're saying penny and I know I the minority on this and I'm ok with this, but the idea that there's a massive difference between people who use drugs for what appears to others to be "shits and giggles" and chronic physical pain seems just a bit too simplistic to me. - I've read tons of stories from people who started taking opioids that weren't prescribed to them. A lot of these people were dealing with, frankly, heavy shit. In fact every story I've read from someone who reached the point of addiction was dealing with some major issues. Stuff like combat ptad, sexual abuse survival, undiagnosed chronic depression and more. Assuming that it's all just about partying and irresponsibility is I think not quite right. - People can scoff at mental and emotional problems and say, well, other options are available but for various reasons people don't know about or can't or won't access those options. It's a real, serious problem. - And I hold to the idea that things aren't always so black and white and easy to categorize for every person,especially over many years. Things change and can be complicated and don't always fall into such neat categories. - Oh and I'm definitely not thinking of your husband here. His experience with chronic physical pain sounds awful! PennyPurple said:

And I've said all along, there is a HUGE difference between someone using drugs for shits & giggles & someone using drugs for chronic pain. Even on one of my posts I gave my husbands history with chronic pain, and said how big of a role the drs. and big pharma plays. Also how hard these drugs are to obtain, for the ones who need it the most, because of all the abusers who use them for shits and giggles.

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True Disch. I understand what you are saying and agree. I was just trying to keep it all simple, so my words wouldn't be all twisted up and the curse of death be put upon me again.

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I'm trying to keep it all simple now, instead of trying to go into depth.

disch said:

I get what you're saying penny and I know I the minority on this and I'm ok with this, but the idea that there's a massive difference between people who use drugs for what appears to others to be "shits and giggles" and chronic physical pain seems just a bit too simplistic to me. - I've read tons of stories from people who started taking opioids that weren't prescribed to them. A lot of these people were dealing with, frankly, heavy shit. In fact every story I've read from someone who reached the point of addiction was dealing with some major issues. Stuff like combat ptad, sexual abuse survival, undiagnosed chronic depression and more. Assuming that it's all just about partying and irresponsibility is I think not quite right. - People can scoff at mental and emotional problems and say, well, other options are available but for various reasons people don't know about or can't or won't access those options. It's a real, serious problem. - And I hold to the idea that things aren't always so black and white and easy to categorize for every person,especially over many years. Things change and can be complicated and don't always fall into such neat categories. - Oh and I'm definitely not thinking of your husband here. His experience with chronic physical pain sounds awful! PennyPurple said:

And I've said all along, there is a HUGE difference between someone using drugs for shits & giggles & someone using drugs for chronic pain. Even on one of my posts I gave my husbands history with chronic pain, and said how big of a role the drs. and big pharma plays. Also how hard these drugs are to obtain, for the ones who need it the most, because of all the abusers who use them for shits and giggles.

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Disch, you've repeatedly stated that you think there's little to no difference and others here have said they don't feel that way. It doesn't matter how many more times you'll push against those of us who feel differently, we aren't going to change our minds. You are more than welcome to have your own ideas about it, but when you keep coming at those who think differently about it than you do, that says you are pushing your own ideas as though you know better. And you don't. So let it be, will you please? We're quite clear on how you feel about it and do not agree with you.

oliviacamron said:

PennyPurple said:

I'm sick of all the crap that you say too, but I don't wish you to die, because of your opinion differs from mine.

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My reply that Prince took those pills himself, was a reply to somebody, that said someone gave Prince those pills to poison him, that it didn't work the 1st time on the plane so they poisoned him again. That's what my comment was about. Nobody gave them to Prince and nobody poisoned Prince on purpose. See when someone like Laura twists my words around, this is what happens.

Like I said ,BITCH , you have no idea what happened to Prince. Laura did not twist you words. I read what you said for myself more than a week ago and you been saying it over and over .

Hm. How nice.

oliviacamron said:

PennyPurple said:

You went too far this time.

Bitch, you have no idea what happened to Prince.

This is the very polite person who admonishes me for attempting to start shit from time to time by asserting that Prince was not murdered. We have two "bitches" and one death wish; plus this poster accuses others of "making up things out of whole cloth" and thinks Prince was murdered by WB in conjunction with the Illuminatti, Prince's personal chef and/or his employees. The idea of liver trouble is insane apparently but let's talk about a million other crazy ideas I have while I call people bitches and wish death on them. Then let's discuss how religious I am and how much I love Jesus.

Stay classy, there, Olivia.

zenarose said:

No you are not the only one. Even if he had left a will it could and would have been contested, we know that because it is evident they all feel entitled. The situation would still be a battle and all the money would dwindle away just the same as it is right now. Maybe he balanced it out and said....let them fight it out. Maybe he wanted them to do something else other than stand with their hand out looking to be given something that is not theirs to have. They didn't work and sweat and dog to earn the money. If it were me I would have protected the music and put the rest in trusts going to my charities case closed, the family can work and provide for themselves.

cloveringold85 said:

Mumio said:

That is exactly one of the things I am talking about. He didn't care about the money so why bother trying to portion it out? And maybe he did want them to work for it....after all, he certainly worked hard enough for it, didn't he? Having a will is important to you and that's all well and good...but it wasn't important to him. That's why there isn't one.

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We don't really know what Prince's reason was for not having a Will.

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He could have at least had a Will so that Tyka would have what he wanted her to have, like any loving brother, other sibling or parent would do. That is the way I look at it. Tyka is his only full-blooded sibling, so it would make perfect sense for him to make sure she gets a certain amount of money and property from his estate. Just my 2 cents.

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We still don't know if he has a Will somewhere. We just don't know that for a fact if he had one or didn't have one.

Agreed, we don't really know for a fact. But I do think it's fairly safe to assume that the court/administrators have searched high and low and there wasn't one because he didn't write one. Londell had even said he wouldn't do one when he represented him so what more is there to be said? And we also don't know that he didn't take care of people he loved and cared for via trusts or secret offshore accounts or Swiss accounts. After having dealt with his father's estate, no doubt he knew what would happen with his own since he had no wife nor children. I trust that Prince did what he thought needed to be done.

I heard such a profound statement in a movie a few nights ago that I had to pause, rewind and write it down. I think it is fitting to share here: "We are who the world thinks we are and sometimes we're not. We decide who we are when we want and who we want to know".

Alan Leeds, part of Prince's staff for a decade (83-93) said, in this article, https://www.nytimes.com/2...e=article, that "there wasn't a tour we did where he wasn't sometimes performing in pain". It really is incredibly sad that the very thing that gave him so much pleasure, also caused him so much pain. Seems as though pain, physical and emotional, chased him throughout his entire life. I would imagine anyone would seek out ways to eliminate it.

For me, the conclusion to this man's life makes perfect sense. And please, don't misunderstand my statement. It doesn't make it ok that he passed the way he did, or easy, or less painful.....it just makes sense.

laurarichardson said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

An ironic choice of words as that may very well have been EXACTLY what he was doing.

Yes, he stuffed a massive amount of pain pills in his mouth and then went for a bike ride, threw a party and went to see a jazz show.

I watched a documentary on HBO last weekend about pain pill abuse none of those people could stand up straight. If you take a massive amount of these pills you are going to in one of 3 places.

Knocked out, vomiting or crapping. I know what I am talking about because this happened to me after gallbladder surgery. I ate percocets like they were tic-tacs for a day.

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No you don't. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. See if you can conflate the two sentences I emphasized from your post and ascertain how you might have had the rather dramatic experience you describe. These things escalate over time. 5mg to 10 to 20 to 30 and so forth, until one day, 15 or 20 years later, you MAY be popping them "like tic tacs". You yourself had no tolerance built up, took them well beyond their prescribed dosage (from the sound of it because they're not prescribed like tic tacs) and them claim that your negative reaction and anecdotal evidence is medical fact and typical of most addicts.

It's like a drinker. Over time, they can knock back a 12 pack or a fifth in 6 hours. Again, it's due to TOLERANCE and once you develop that, you're likely an addict. You sound like the teenager who broke into dad's liquor cabinet at 16, drank a whole pint of Old Grand Dad like a spaghetti western cowboy, puked their life out and was terribly hungover and dysfuntional the next day and then went on to believe that NO ONE could drink that much in such a short period of time. That everyone's experience is LIKE THAT ALL THE TIME. I've seen my alcholic uncle CHUG two pints of Seagrams and chase them with Pepto Bismol inside a half hour BUT HE DIDN'T START OUT THAT WAY and he didn't wind up laying on the floor passed out, crashing his car or running amok through the house raping people.

It's quite likely that near the end Prince WAS "popping these things like tic-tacs" which...gee...I don't know, just MIGHT explain a few things about how and why he died and certainly explains the accumulation of the counterfeit pills since, by then, he'd likely exhausted his legal avenues for obtaining them (especially with the DEA rescheduling them and cracking down on doctors). I don't give a fuck how rich or famous he was, he'd have had a hard time keeping up that level of legal prescriptions of these things As his tolerance grew he took more pills until, ultimately, his health suffered and one day he got a bad batch. My guess is he started with 5mg, then gradually it was 10mg, 15mg and so forth so again, for the last time, please understand that these things DO NOT turn you into a drooling retard as you insist on asserting. Prince's addiction likely grew OVER TIME. That's how addiction works.

BTW, posting MORE OFTEN than anyone else here doesn't make you MORE CORRECT than everyone else here and from my experience you're wrong more often than you're right. Also, you contradict yourself a lot and ascribe things to other people that they never said. You argue in circles and shift goalposts quite a lot. You might consider taking a break.