I hear ya --we've all been reduced to repeating the same thing (you as well) because there's nothing more to say. I haven't been persuaded by you (or the others in you cadre of "we") either --though, dferently from you it sounds like, I don't feel that you expressing a difference point of view means you're "coming at me." I guess we're even

Mumio said:

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disch said:

I hear ya --we've all been reduced to repeating the same thing (you as well) because there's nothing more to say. I haven't been persuaded by you (or the others in you cadre of "we") either --though, dferently from you it sounds like, I don't feel that you expressing a difference point of view means you're "coming at me." I guess we're even

I've never said anything here to you nor anyone else with the intent to change anyone else's mind...as I said, you are free to think what you like. If I think I can add to the conversation by stating my own point of view, that is what I do and I won't harp on things continuously. But I do not care in the slightest whether anyone else agrees with me or not and I don't continuously post the same thing over and over. That is the difference between what you say and what I say.

NotACleverName said:

I heard such a profound statement in a movie a few nights ago that I had to pause, rewind and write it down. I think it is fitting to share here: "We are who the world thinks we are and sometimes we're not. We decide who we are when we want and who we want to know". Alan Leeds, part of Prince's staff for a decade (83-93) said, in this article, https://www.nytimes.com/2...e=article, that "there wasn't a tour we did where he wasn't sometimes performing in pain". It really is incredibly sad that the very thing that gave him so much pleasure, also caused him so much pain. Seems as though pain, physical and emotional, chased him throughout his entire life. I would imagine anyone would seek out ways to eliminate it. For me, the conclusion to this man's life makes perfect sense. And please, don't misunderstand my statement. It doesn't make it ok that he passed the way he did, or easy, or less painful......it just makes sense.

Im on board with you in these thoughts...

From my perspective, he Lived to Keep on Giving of his gifts, that he admitted earlier on in his career, could sometimes be a curse.

He also acknowledged that He was an instrument of GOD, and never took any personal credit for his unimanginable talent.

In every Interview, if you listen for it, WHen asked about his music or the direction is was taking, he would always respond with "we " NOT I did this, I did that,

Once he knew that his music could unify people, the concept of Union in Diversity was what Drove him.

He had to have been suffering some pretty excruciating pain, because the man we have come to know, Is strong, Mentally and Physically.

I Challenge any Ballet Dancer to Jump from a 20 foot riser in Heels !

I doubt we would even find one who would be willing to take up that Challenge !

This man liVED and Breathed what he Did

In a strange way his death makes sense to me too...

and the reality of it truly Shreds My Guts

He was something special...

[Edited 5/12/17 21:10pm]

herb4 said:

Thank you for taking the time to explain tolerance to drugs and addiction. We've got to get over these crazy stereotypes or we will never get hold of this epidemic.

Lovejunky said:

Im on board with you in these thoughts...

From my perspective, he Lived to Keep on Giving of his gifts, that he admitted earlier on in his career, could sometimes be a curse.

He also acknowledged that He was an instrument of GOD, and never took any personal credit for his unimanginable talent.

In every Interview, if you listen for it, WHen asked about his music or the direction is was taking, he would always respond with "we " NOT I did this, I did that,

Once he knew that his music could unify people, the concept of Union in Diversity was what Drove him.

He had to have been suffering some pretty excruciating pain, because the man we have come to know, Is strong, Mentally and Physically.

I Challenge any Ballet Dancer to Jump from a 20 foot riser in Heels !

I doubt we would even find one who would be willing to take up that Challenge !

This man liVED and Breathed what he Did

In a strange way his death makes sense to me too...

and the reality of it truly Shreds My Guts

He was something special...

[Edited 5/12/17 21:10pm]

Lots of good insight here Lovejunky He sure is/was something special

I dont know if this has been posted elsewhere...BUT FInally we are hearing that some people knew he was ill.

http://www.mcall.com/ente...story.html

I hate to ask this: Did either of you have indication about his health difficulties or the pain that he was having? Did you know about that?

MARK: “Well, me and Apolonia talk frequently, and she had been out there, I believe a month and a half or two before his death, and she told me, ‘He is very ill.’”

Mmmm.

MARK: “And I remember, and it was, like, ‘I’d been noticing when I see him in the tabloids, you know he’s looking a little frail. And she said, ‘No, he’s definitely, he’s sick, Mark.’

“So that’s about how much I knew about it. But he was very good at keeping things under hush – keeping things under secret. ‘Cause I know Larry Graham, everybody for a long time was pointing fingers – you know, ‘How could you be that close to him and not know.’

“He was very good at keeping things …

FINK : “To himself. Even with close friends around – even people who felt close to him.

“But just same thing as Mark for me – just seeing photos of him around that time frame – the last, maybe, three or four months leading to him passing, I thought he didn’t look well. And I said that to my wife, and my wife and I both said that to each other: ‘Wow, he’s just not his old self there at all. I wonder what’s going on.’

“But I was kind of aware through some people that he needed to take some pain medication for hip issues and things like that. But that was about it – that’s all I knew. That was more common knowledge anyway amongst people around him, so …”

Lovejunky said:

I dont know if this has been posted elsewhere...BUT FInally we are hearing that some people knew he was ill.

http://www.mcall.com/ente...story.html

I hate to ask this: Did either of you have indication about his health difficulties or the pain that he was having? Did you know about that?

MARK: “Well, me and Apolonia talk frequently, and she had been out there, I believe a month and a half or two before his death, and she told me, ‘He is very ill.’”

Mmmm.

MARK: “And I remember, and it was, like, ‘I’d been noticing when I see him in the tabloids, you know he’s looking a little frail. And she said, ‘No, he’s definitely, he’s sick, Mark.’

“So that’s about how much I knew about it. But he was very good at keeping things under hush – keeping things under secret. ‘Cause I know Larry Graham, everybody for a long time was pointing fingers – you know, ‘How could you be that close to him and not know.’

“He was very good at keeping things …

FINK : “To himself. Even with close friends around – even people who felt close to him.

“But just same thing as Mark for me – just seeing photos of him around that time frame – the last, maybe, three or four months leading to him passing, I thought he didn’t look well. And I said that to my wife, and my wife and I both said that to each other: ‘Wow, he’s just not his old self there at all. I wonder what’s going on.’

“But I was kind of aware through some people that he needed to take some pain medication for hip issues and things like that. But that was about it – that’s all I knew. That was more common knowledge anyway amongst people around him, so …”

WOW. I knew we'd hear something from people who worked with him at some point...and truth be told, there has been some undercurrent talk going on and has been for some time about his health...but it's good that these people understand that no one is served by pretending this was an overdose death the way it's being interpreted by so many. Prince told us who he was over the years and what we know is that any drug use wasn't recreational and that's why the story doesn't sit well.

Lovejunky said:

I dont know if this has been posted elsewhere...BUT FInally we are hearing that some people knew he was ill.

http://www.mcall.com/ente...story.html

I hate to ask this: Did either of you have indication about his health difficulties or the pain that he was having? Did you know about that?

MARK: “Well, me and Apolonia talk frequently, and she had been out there, I believe a month and a half or two before his death, and she told me, ‘He is very ill.’”

Mmmm.

MARK: “And I remember, and it was, like, ‘I’d been noticing when I see him in the tabloids, you know he’s looking a little frail. And she said, ‘No, he’s definitely, he’s sick, Mark.’

“So that’s about how much I knew about it. But he was very good at keeping things under hush – keeping things under secret. ‘Cause I know Larry Graham, everybody for a long time was pointing fingers – you know, ‘How could you be that close to him and not know.’

“He was very good at keeping things …

FINK : “To himself. Even with close friends around – even people who felt close to him.

“But just same thing as Mark for me – just seeing photos of him around that time frame – the last, maybe, three or four months leading to him passing, I thought he didn’t look well. And I said that to my wife, and my wife and I both said that to each other: ‘Wow, he’s just not his old self there at all. I wonder what’s going on.’

“But I was kind of aware through some people that he needed to take some pain medication for hip issues and things like that. But that was about it – that’s all I knew. That was more common knowledge anyway amongst people around him, so …”

Thanks for sharing that. It doesn't make sense where Apples is concerned because she has/had been putting some pretty cryptic stuff out there. Like she thinks he was murdered or something, but if her and mark were having conversations about how ill he was, then this cryptic stuff from her doesn't make sense.

PennyPurple said:

Lovejunky said:

I dont know if this has been posted elsewhere...BUT FInally we are hearing that some people knew he was ill.

http://www.mcall.com/ente...story.html

I hate to ask this: Did either of you have indication about his health difficulties or the pain that he was having? Did you know about that?

MARK: “Well, me and Apolonia talk frequently, and she had been out there, I believe a month and a half or two before his death, and she told me, ‘He is very ill.’”

Mmmm.

MARK: “And I remember, and it was, like, ‘I’d been noticing when I see him in the tabloids, you know he’s looking a little frail. And she said, ‘No, he’s definitely, he’s sick, Mark.’

“So that’s about how much I knew about it. But he was very good at keeping things under hush – keeping things under secret. ‘Cause I know Larry Graham, everybody for a long time was pointing fingers – you know, ‘How could you be that close to him and not know.’

“He was very good at keeping things …

FINK : “To himself. Even with close friends around – even people who felt close to him.

“But just same thing as Mark for me – just seeing photos of him around that time frame – the last, maybe, three or four months leading to him passing, I thought he didn’t look well. And I said that to my wife, and my wife and I both said that to each other: ‘Wow, he’s just not his old self there at all. I wonder what’s going on.’

“But I was kind of aware through some people that he needed to take some pain medication for hip issues and things like that. But that was about it – that’s all I knew. That was more common knowledge anyway amongst people around him, so …”

Thanks for sharing that. It doesn't make sense where Apples is concerned because she has/had been putting some pretty cryptic stuff out there. Like she thinks he was murdered or something, but if her and mark were having conversations about how ill he was, then this cryptic stuff from her doesn't make sense.

JESUS H. CHRIST! ANOTHER one (like Judith) who saw with her own eyes that he was in a dire situation and responded BY FLYING HOME. How can they live with themselves? I wouldn't have treated my DOG that way.

Lovejunky said:

Makes me wonder what he and Mark argued about, and the guitar thing is weird, so did they end up playing or what was Prince getting at there about needing a guitar player? Was he himself unable to play so he was hoping Mark would play the guitar?? Lousy follow up to these questions I think, I like details.

PennyPurple said:

Cryptic stuff gets us wondering what she knew, and keeps us coming back to her media where she can advertise herself. Not cool.

PennyPurple said:

Women he was murdered. We do not know if it was done on purpose or an accident but he was murdered. It is also possible at the same time that he was ill just Mayen he was taking the pain pills because he had fucking pain. Just a thought.

laurarichardson said:

Go back to your bottle and your other snark thread, the one where you hate the entire city of Chanhassan and all the puppies and flowers too.
[Edited 5/13/17 13:24pm]

moonsister said:

Sigh. Some people on this board think he was taking pain like tic Tacs for 20 years I am telling you no matter what is tolerence the side effects would have got him eventually and he would not have been able to going at the pace him did. Coke heads cannot do it forever and alcohols can not do it forever. He was not popping no pain pills like Tic Tacs for 20 years he would the basket case that Sly Stone is today. You are making him out to be super human and that 65k in medical expenses on his inventory sheet tells a different story.

moonsister said:

--KJ is that you?

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

--Thank you. How sad is it that this had to be explained.

laurarichardson said:

In march I had surgery that didn't even require an overnight stay in the hospital and the hospital alone, not the surgeons or anesthesia people, sent a bill to my insurance co for over 65 thousand dollars. So it don't take much to get that kind of a bill.

Lovejunky said:

I dont know if this has been posted elsewhere...BUT FInally we are hearing that some people knew he was ill.

http://www.mcall.com/ente...story.html

I hate to ask this: Did either of you have indication about his health difficulties or the pain that he was having? Did you know about that?

MARK: “Well, me and Apolonia talk frequently, and she had been out there, I believe a month and a half or two before his death, and she told me, ‘He is very ill.’”

Mmmm.

MARK: “And I remember, and it was, like, ‘I’d been noticing when I see him in the tabloids, you know he’s looking a little frail. And she said, ‘No, he’s definitely, he’s sick, Mark.’

“So that’s about how much I knew about it. But he was very good at keeping things under hush – keeping things under secret. ‘Cause I know Larry Graham, everybody for a long time was pointing fingers – you know, ‘How could you be that close to him and not know.’

“He was very good at keeping things …

FINK : “To himself. Even with close friends around – even people who felt close to him.

“But just same thing as Mark for me – just seeing photos of him around that time frame – the last, maybe, three or four months leading to him passing, I thought he didn’t look well. And I said that to my wife, and my wife and I both said that to each other: ‘Wow, he’s just not his old self there at all. I wonder what’s going on.’

“But I was kind of aware through some people that he needed to take some pain medication for hip issues and things like that. But that was about it – that’s all I knew. That was more common knowledge anyway amongst people around him, so …”

.

Very interesting what Apples said! Prince did look frail those last few months of his life. I would not be surprised if he had some kind of underlying condition going on, aside from his hip pain. I also would not be surprised if all those meds he was taking was was having adverse effects on his health. Thus, why he was having blood work done. I take medicine for my high blood pressure and I have to have my blood work done every 6-months or so to make sure my organs are functioning properly. Now, I wonder if Prince was having liver failure or something else? Just makes me incredibly sad to think that Prince was suffering like that and did not tell anyone.

PennyPurple said:

Lovejunky said:

I dont know if this has been posted elsewhere...BUT FInally we are hearing that some people knew he was ill.

http://www.mcall.com/ente...story.html

I hate to ask this: Did either of you have indication about his health difficulties or the pain that he was having? Did you know about that?

MARK: “Well, me and Apolonia talk frequently, and she had been out there, I believe a month and a half or two before his death, and she told me, ‘He is very ill.’”

Mmmm.

MARK: “And I remember, and it was, like, ‘I’d been noticing when I see him in the tabloids, you know he’s looking a little frail. And she said, ‘No, he’s definitely, he’s sick, Mark.’

“So that’s about how much I knew about it. But he was very good at keeping things under hush – keeping things under secret. ‘Cause I know Larry Graham, everybody for a long time was pointing fingers – you know, ‘How could you be that close to him and not know.’

“He was very good at keeping things …

FINK : “To himself. Even with close friends around – even people who felt close to him.

“But just same thing as Mark for me – just seeing photos of him around that time frame – the last, maybe, three or four months leading to him passing, I thought he didn’t look well. And I said that to my wife, and my wife and I both said that to each other: ‘Wow, he’s just not his old self there at all. I wonder what’s going on.’

“But I was kind of aware through some people that he needed to take some pain medication for hip issues and things like that. But that was about it – that’s all I knew. That was more common knowledge anyway amongst people around him, so …”

Thanks for sharing that. It doesn't make sense where Apples is concerned because she has/had been putting some pretty cryptic stuff out there. Like she thinks he was murdered or something, but if her and mark were having conversations about how ill he was, then this cryptic stuff from her doesn't make sense.

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It could very well be that Prince was battling some kind of illness and someone knew that and took advantage of a person who was already in frail condition.

moonsister said:

PennyPurple said:

Thanks for sharing that. It doesn't make sense where Apples is concerned because she has/had been putting some pretty cryptic stuff out there. Like she thinks he was murdered or something, but if her and mark were having conversations about how ill he was, then this cryptic stuff from her doesn't make sense.

Cryptic stuff gets us wondering what she knew, and keeps us coming back to her media where she can advertise herself. Not cool.

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Cryptic messages are not cool (sorry, Prince). I mean, if you (Apples) know something, then spill the beans. If not, then keep it zipped. All Apples and other's who knew Prince are doing is adding to the confusion and stirring up more conspiracy theories, imo. It doesn't help anything.

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[Edited 5/13/17 13:54pm]

moonsister said:

laurarichardson said:

Sigh. Some people on this board think he was taking pain like tic Tacs for 20 years I am telling you no matter what is tolerence the side effects would have got him eventually and he would not have been able to going at the pace him did. Coke heads cannot do it forever and alcohols can not do it forever. He was not popping no pain pills like Tic Tacs for 20 years he would the basket case that Sly Stone is today. You are making him out to be super human and that 65k in medical expenses on his inventory sheet tells a different story.

In march I had surgery that didn't even require an overnight stay in the hospital and the hospital alone, not the surgeons or anesthesia people, sent a bill to my insurance co for over 65 thousand dollars. So it don't take much to get that kind of a bill.

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That's very true!! Hospitals charge a patient for every single little thing!! It adds up really quick!! My husband needed to have his gall bladder removed 2-years ago and he was in the hospital for a week, and the daily hosptial bill easily runs into thousands of dollars!

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I have to agree with Laura regarding popping pain pills like tic-tacs. If Prince was doing that for the past 5, 10 or 20 years, he would have had liver failure a long time ago! The human body cannot tolerate that level of toxins.

cloveringold85 said:

Or it could have been an off and back on the wagon sort of thing. I took Vicodin for a week once and went through some horrible side effects. If Prince had the same digestive issues I had then I can see how he would have stopped eating and got so thin. The liver issues may just take this long to get real bad, you'd think if he had hep c like some are suggesting he would not have had the girlfriends he had, so I don't suspect hep c just long term drug abuse.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Thanks for sharing that. It doesn't make sense where Apples is concerned because she has/had been putting some pretty cryptic stuff out there. Like she thinks he was murdered or something, but if her and mark were having conversations about how ill he was, then this cryptic stuff from her doesn't make sense.

Women he was murdered. We do not know if it was done on purpose or an accident but he was murdered. It is also possible at the same time that he was ill just Mayen he was taking the pain pills because he had fucking pain. Just a thought.

Women he was murdered. ?? . He wasn't f'n murdered. See there you go, putting your own twist on things again.

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Hey, do me a favor, don't quote me in your crazy posts, and don't reply to my posts. K? K.

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I want nothing more to do with you.

moonsister said:

cloveringold85 said:

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That's very true!! Hospitals charge a patient for every single little thing!! It adds up really quick!! My husband needed to have his gall bladder removed 2-years ago and he was in the hospital for a week, and the daily hosptial bill easily runs into thousands of dollars!

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I have to agree with Laura regarding popping pain pills like tic-tacs. If Prince was doing that for the past 5, 10 or 20 years, he would have had liver failure a long time ago! The human body cannot tolerate that level of toxins.

Or it could have been an off and back on the wagon sort of thing. I took Vicodin for a week once and went through some horrible side effects. If Prince had the same digestive issues I had then I can see how he would have stopped eating and got so thin. The liver issues may just take this long to get real bad, you'd think if he had hep c like some are suggesting he would not have had the girlfriends he had, so I don't suspect hep c just long term drug abuse.

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Good point. He could have been and and off again with the pills, and this time things got progressively worse, sadly. I think he was trying to manage the pain himself and didn't want to see the help of a doctor and/or therapy.

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I heard the rumors about Hep C also. Seems unlikely, since he was involved with different women, and none of them have come forward with any health issues since.

moonsister said:

Makes me wonder what he and Mark argued about, and the guitar thing is weird, so did they end up playing or what was Prince getting at there about needing a guitar player? Was he himself unable to play so he was hoping Mark would play the guitar?? Lousy follow up to these questions I think, I like details.

The Guitar thing is strange..

Whenever we get new Information we end up with MORE Questions..

Oh Prince.........

Lovejunky said:

moonsister said:

Makes me wonder what he and Mark argued about, and the guitar thing is weird, so did they end up playing or what was Prince getting at there about needing a guitar player? Was he himself unable to play so he was hoping Mark would play the guitar?? Lousy follow up to these questions I think, I like details.

The Guitar thing is strange..

Whenever we get new Information we end up with MORE Questions..

Oh Prince.........

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Round and round we go! Where it stops, nobody knows!!

cloveringold85 said:

He forgot Mark plays bass?

Mumio said:

--It is going to come out soon. Already some info going around closed Facebook pages that sound creditable.

PennyPurple said:

-It is a homcide investigation per the police department. They do not believe he purposely took the Fentanyl and wanted to kill himself and it was not natural causes therefore it is a murder. Third degree in his state. When are you going to stop posting altogether.

laurarichardson said:

So what have they said? I am in two FB Prince groups - one "secret" - and they aren't saying anything.