benni said:

The attorney for the Kornfeld's is the one that stated "GRAVE MEDICAL EMERGENCY". Those are not my words. Thus my line of thinking. I also wondered myself if things were so out of hand why KJ or MB did not call 911. So is it possible that the attorney embellished the situation just a bit?? I'm really not trying to be hard headed here. I'm just trying to make sense of the situation.

zenarose said:

benni said:

And the one thing people are not taking into consideration, is that Prince has the right to accept or refuse treatment. Working as a medical social worker, people have the right to self-determination. As for "grave medical condition" this is what Prince's representatives said, however, they are not medical people and if they honestly felt Prince was in that type of situation, they would not have left him alone. PERIOD. Obviously, they did not think that this was something that was imminent. If they had, they would have been baby sitting him that night and remained with him until help arrived.

Also, if they felt he was in grave medical condition, they could have gotten a "hold" on Prince if they felt he was a danger to himself. Dr. K did recommend someone local stabilize Prince and make sure that he would be stable until he could get to treatment. Dr. K followed the protocol in that regards. As far as he knew, Prince was being looked after by a local doctor until his representative could get there to discuss their facility and what they could offer Prince. Dr. S apparently met with Prince the 20th, prescribed some medication (and obviously it was not narcotics since he stated he never prescribed Prince any narcotics and the investigation was unable to find a prescription of narcotics for Prince), and felt Prince was stabilized and would be safe until Dr. K's rep arrived the next day.

The attorney for the Kornfeld's is the one that stated "GRAVE MEDICAL EMERGENCY". Those are not my words. Thus my line of thinking. I also wondered myself if things were so out of hand why KJ or MB did not call 911. So is it possible that the attorney embellished the situation just a bit?? I'm really not trying to be hard headed here. I'm just trying to make sense of the situation.

It's very possible the attorney overstated things, to indicate why Dr. K (who was not immediately available) would send a representative in his place and would recommend Prince be followed by a local doctor until they could get to him. This would cover Dr. K. because it would show that he felt Prince's condition was serious enough to warrent them to rush someone there to discuss treatment and to recommend he be seen by someone local, showing that he did everything he could do. Since the unthinkable happened, he is protected because he did the most he could do with someone that was not yet his patient or undergoing treatment and that anything that followed fell on the Prince camp and the local physician who was following Prince until Dr. K could get there.

NotACleverName said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

... We were discussing the warrants in order and we were at Andrews warrant.. I agree Dr S has a lot of ??? To jump ahead.. I find it strange the 2 times P saw Dr S Prince seemed to feel sick ..on the 7th (P then had to cancel the first Atlanta concert, when he rescheduled on the 14th Dr S wrote Kirk and I think P a prescription) Then the last time was on the 20th... Many unanswered questions. As Clover said Dr K and Andrew broke the law . [Edited 4/23/17 14:33pm]

What I am pointing out is that there were plenty of oversights (or mistakes, whatever you want to call it) with regard to this entire event. I just don't understand how someone can accuse another person, that they

That may not have been Andrew's intention but who the hell knows what would have happened if he was administered those meds. No one at the scene would have had any idea what Prince had taken the night before. The whole idea was stupid and an open invitation to medical negligence.

cloveringold85 said:

Has anyone read the recent article about Chazz Smith?

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Forgive me if it's already been posted here. I've been away for the past 4-months due to personal reasons.

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Anywho, I just don't know what to think anymore. This guy says a lot of conflicting things. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Chazz say after Prince's death that Prince had a problem and needed help? Now, he is seeking answers to Prince's death and thinks there is foul-play. (see link below).

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<p>http://www.fox9.com/news/248932945-story</p>

He has started a hashtag. Justice4Prince. I wish he would not be so crytic and come out say what he knows. He started all this before the warrants were releashed so something was upsetting him before this information became known.

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cloveringold85 said:

PennyPurple said:

Yes that's true. Didn't Dr. S lose his job and started working somewhere else?

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PennyP: Yes, I think you are correct. Dr. S. closed up shop and I have no idea what he's doing now or if he is practicing in another state. After what happened to Prince, I can imagine his reputation is now tarnished.

He is working another clinic but we will see how long that last because what he did to me was very unethical.

PennyPurple said:

Yes. Kirk or anyone else in the circle...

He did not go to the hospital went to see Dr. S received meds that are used for withdrawals and went home. He told everyone to go home which I suspect is because he was not feeling good. Maybe Dr. S did not reccomend he go in a hospital or the withdrawal drugs were suppose to stablize him.

disch said:

I agree. And frankly, even if anyone had called 911, who's to say Prince would have agreed to be carted off in an ambulence? There aren't reports that Prince wasn't conscience and sentient on April 20 and I assume if he wanted to be in a hospital that day, he would have gone to one.

TopazGirl said:

Exactly. It is not all up to Dr. K. I don't understand how Dr. K is ultimately responsible for all or a majority of this as some are suggesting.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said: But many people do. Prince was a person just like anybody else but if you want to believe he popped a handful of pills for breakfast everyday for 20 years with no prescription go ahead and knock yourself out. I bet he pored Coke on his Captain Crunch and smoked a few joints everyday as well and none noticed.

Stop right there!! How in the world did you get out of my sentenance everything you said above? I did not say that. And AGAIN many people do not have those side effects.

I did not say you said it but go out on the internet and read people's comments many people think this. No one is going to abuse pain pills for 20 years and it does not effect their behavior, not side effects ever and no effect on their long term health. Ask yourself why he started looking bad in January?

laurarichardson said:

First of all....why did you manipulate the entirety of my post? Why did you cut portions of my text? Stop it. Isn't that a violation of org rules (someone pointed it out because you had done the exact thing to their post)? Guess I'd better revisit those guidelines.

Second....what in the f*ck are you EVEN going on about? Where, in my post, did I talk about anyone's "intent"?

Third....it is stupid and pointless to speculate about what could have happened.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

TopazGirl said:

Dr. K was contacted the evening before Prince's death. Dr. S showed up the morning of Prince's death. He was apparently there to deliver test results. Dr. S was there because he was working with Prince. I think it might be safe to say that Dr. S could have been contacted by Dr. K. -- Dr. K. only had less than a day to speak to Dr. S and tell him to get his ass over there. In all appearances, Dr. S got his ass over there.

The warrants do not say that happened so hopefully the LE will check all phone records. Dr S showed up at PP to give Prince test results, have not heard dr K called Dr S. Would think the LE would have the test results too

True and yes, I think the LE would have those test results as well. And I don't discount what you said about all the misinformation in the media from unnamed sources. I just would like to point out that Prince was under some medical supervision until Dr. K could arrive.

benni said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I think you are missing the point that Purple D, and myself were trying to make.

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The fact that Prince was most likely unaware of this intervention that was going to take place with Andrew K. on April 21, 2016 speaks in volumes. It tells me that Prince was not aware and he did not agree to this.

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The fact remains, there was no reason for Prince's inner circle to contact a doctor in CA, when there are plenty of qualified treatment centers and doctor's in Minneapolis.

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You totally overlook Dr. K. reputation. He's not a man of good character.

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Andrew had no business going to PP, as he was not qualified to speak with or treat Prince.

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It's about being ethical and moral, and they were both neither of those.

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It's very clear that what they did was very wrong, and could very well be the reason why Prince is no longer with us.

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Regardless of whether Prince knew or did not know, the FACT remains they did not treat Prince, period. Also, whether Prince knew or did not know, they could NOT provide treatment without his consent. Therefore, they would have still needed to meet with Prince to discuss their program, make sure he was appropriate for their treatments, and he would need to listen to what they had to say to determine whether he felt like their program was appropriate to him. They cannot be held responsible for being called by his inner circle and them showing up at Paisley Park to discuss their program with Prince. That in no way contributed to his passing.

Again, you are overlooking what I've said several times. When you are high profile, as Prince is, you do not get treated in your hometown. People talk. Prince felt comfortable at home and would not have agreed to treatment at home. Why? Because people in Chanhassen viewed him as a neighbor. If he were to be treated, and people talked, he would stop being a neighbor and would start being the addicted rock star. Prince would NEVER have agreed to that.

And Andrew did have business going to Paisley Park to meet with Prince as a representative of his father's business. Now, he would not have had any business treating Prince, that's for sure. But to discuss his father's treatment facility and what they could offer Prince, then yes, he would have been qualified to give Prince the facts of his dad's business.

And ethics and morals aside, they did nothing wrong. They came when they were called. They never treated Prince. They arrived too late. It is NOT their fault the inner circle waited until days after the plane incident to call them for help.

Whether Prince knew or not, is beside the point. The point remains that before they could treat him, they would need to see if he was appropriate for their treatment, and he would need to be given the chance to make an informed decision about accepting treatment from them.

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Benni: We both have a difference of opinion on this matter. The fact remains that if Dr. K, or any doctor for that matter knows that a person (Prince was not even a patient of his, btw), clearly shows any signs of a medical emergency, the doctor has the responsibility to call 911 and/or get help for that person, immediately.

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The bottom line is, it was unethical and unlawful what Dr. K and his son Andrew did.

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Prince had regular doctors in Chanhassen, and a doctor has an obligation to privacy laws. He was seeing Dr. S, who was a local doctor.

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I fully understand that a any physician has to assess a person's condition before they can treat them, and that is exactly why it was inappropriate to fly in some med student from CA to do that.

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laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Stop right there!! How in the world did you get out of my sentenance everything you said above? I did not say that. And AGAIN many people do not have those side effects.

I did not say you said it but go out on the internet and read people's comments many people think this. No one is going to abuse pain pills for 20 years and it does not effect their behavior, not side effects ever and no effect on their long term health. Ask yourself why he started looking bad in January?

MAYBE everything was just catching up with him: age, pain, pills, loneliness, depression...as to 'no side effects'...the final collapse was the ultimate side effect.....and re 'behaviors'....lots of 'off' behaviors can be hidden, excused, overlooked , explained-away, rationalized when you're a beloved, eccentric, international icon known for being secretive, reclusive, controlling and manipulative. OK, I'm sitting down, ready to be attacked.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Good points. ^^^
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TopazGirl said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Amen to that! I just cannot comprehend how a doctor could do that. I mean, I know if I had a sick relative, I certainly would not send some unqualified person to treat my loved one! No, no, no!!

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Exactly!!......how about call 911? Which none of them did in the days prior.

I understand where you're coming from, cloveringold85, however, this is Prince we are talking about, and I think we all understand about "special star treatment". That is really what this comes down to, I believe.

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Topaz: I respect what you are saying, however, don't you feel that a doctor has an obligation to get help, ASAP if they think that someone is at risk for overdosing or causing harm to himself? This is where morals and ethics and responsibility as a addiction specialist come into play and it does matter.

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Special Star Treatment: That reminds me of the case of Michael Jackson and Dr. Conrad Murray -- I remember Dr. Drew saying "The best medical care is standard care". Meaning, when you are rock star status, there are doctor's who will do unethical things and you end up not getting the best care at all. Truth. MJ is gone. Prince is gone.

cloveringold85 said:

benni said:

Regardless of whether Prince knew or did not know, the FACT remains they did not treat Prince, period. Also, whether Prince knew or did not know, they could NOT provide treatment without his consent. Therefore, they would have still needed to meet with Prince to discuss their program, make sure he was appropriate for their treatments, and he would need to listen to what they had to say to determine whether he felt like their program was appropriate to him. They cannot be held responsible for being called by his inner circle and them showing up at Paisley Park to discuss their program with Prince. That in no way contributed to his passing.

Again, you are overlooking what I've said several times. When you are high profile, as Prince is, you do not get treated in your hometown. People talk. Prince felt comfortable at home and would not have agreed to treatment at home. Why? Because people in Chanhassen viewed him as a neighbor. If he were to be treated, and people talked, he would stop being a neighbor and would start being the addicted rock star. Prince would NEVER have agreed to that.

And Andrew did have business going to Paisley Park to meet with Prince as a representative of his father's business. Now, he would not have had any business treating Prince, that's for sure. But to discuss his father's treatment facility and what they could offer Prince, then yes, he would have been qualified to give Prince the facts of his dad's business.

And ethics and morals aside, they did nothing wrong. They came when they were called. They never treated Prince. They arrived too late. It is NOT their fault the inner circle waited until days after the plane incident to call them for help.

Whether Prince knew or not, is beside the point. The point remains that before they could treat him, they would need to see if he was appropriate for their treatment, and he would need to be given the chance to make an informed decision about accepting treatment from them.

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Benni: We both have a difference of opinion on this matter. The fact remains that if Dr. K, or any doctor for that matter knows that a person (Prince was not even a patient of his, btw), clearly shows any signs of a medical emergency, the doctor has the responsibility to call 911 and/or get help for that person, immediately.

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The bottom line is, it was unethical and unlawful what Dr. K and his son Andrew did.

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Prince had regular doctors in Chanhassen, and a doctor has an obligation to privacy laws. He was seeing Dr. S, who was a local doctor.

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I fully understand that a any physician has to assess a person's condition before they can treat them, and that is exactly why it was inappropriate to fly in some med student from CA to do that.

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You are ignoring that Dr. K had them contact a local doctor to assess Prince's current condition and to stabilize him.

It is not inappropriate to fly in a representative of his company to discuss the treatment procedure at that facility and determine whether Prince is appropriate for that treatment and let Prince decide whether that facility and treatment process is appropriate for him.

Prince was seen the day of the 20th by Dr. S. If Prince were in a medical emergency, it would be up to Dr. S to call 911 as his treating physician and as a physician that had seen Prince recently and could more directly assess whether there really is a medical emergency. Dr. K could not assess that over that phone and if he contacted 911 and Prince decided to sue because he was not there to assess him in person to be able to determine a medical emergency, then Dr. K would have lost that case. Dr. K is not responsible. I would hold Dr. S more responsible since he was the one that had physical access to Prince and could immediately determine through observation and examination whether there was a medical emergency.

That is what you are not getting. Dr. K could not determine a medical emergency because he was not there to examine Prince and assess the situation.

Edited to add: And all of this precludes that Prince is willing to be treated in a medical emergency or no. If Prince declined treatment, there is nothing they could have done. They would have to prove that Prince was incompetent to make decisions or was not in full capacity able to make those decisions.

Case in point: I had a hospice patient once who would drink himself silly. We would find him passed out in urine and feces. His drinking was killing him. We contacted APS because we felt that he was a threat to himself. APS stated they could not get involved because it was a "lifestyle choice" and that they would not be able to petition the courts to hold him against his will.

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LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

benni said:

Regardless of whether Prince knew or did not know, the FACT remains they did not treat Prince, period. Also, whether Prince knew or did not know, they could NOT provide treatment without his consent. Therefore, they would have still needed to meet with Prince to discuss their program, make sure he was appropriate for their treatments, and he would need to listen to what they had to say to determine whether he felt like their program was appropriate to him. They cannot be held responsible for being called by his inner circle and them showing up at Paisley Park to discuss their program with Prince. That in no way contributed to his passing.

Again, you are overlooking what I've said several times. When you are high profile, as Prince is, you do not get treated in your hometown. People talk. Prince felt comfortable at home and would not have agreed to treatment at home. Why? Because people in Chanhassen viewed him as a neighbor. If he were to be treated, and people talked, he would stop being a neighbor and would start being the addicted rock star. Prince would NEVER have agreed to that.

And Andrew did have business going to Paisley Park to meet with Prince as a representative of his father's business. Now, he would not have had any business treating Prince, that's for sure. But to discuss his father's treatment facility and what they could offer Prince, then yes, he would have been qualified to give Prince the facts of his dad's business.

And ethics and morals aside, they did nothing wrong. They came when they were called. They never treated Prince. They arrived too late. It is NOT their fault the inner circle waited until days after the plane incident to call them for help.

Whether Prince knew or not, is beside the point. The point remains that before they could treat him, they would need to see if he was appropriate for their treatment, and he would need to be given the chance to make an informed decision about accepting treatment from them.

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When dr k was called prince was alive, but in grave condition, does not sound good, had he simply said "because of my location and the described condition of the patient, my best medical recommendation is to handle this locally, right now, I will make some calls". Also a person in grave medical condition is not going to any rehab, they are going to the hospital to get stabilized, then go to rehab. Since dr k said he would handle it, princes people waited for him and now we all know that was the wrong decision, prince dies while they were waiting for cali to get to Minnie. Based on what we know about the last few weeks of princes life he was not mentally capable of making sound decisions regarding his health, you know full blown o.d. Ect, so who cares what he wanted, get him to the f*cking hospital, save his life, and deal with the fall out later.

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Exactly! Like, call 911 and don't wait until something happens! Who cares if Prince gets mad and never wants to speak to you again. Get him help so he can feel better and get well for God's sake!! Hopefully, he would thank you later on for saving his life!! Oh, sweet jesus!! Sorry -- just venting today!!

zenarose said:

I feel that Dr K was negligent from the start. When Dr.K got the call from KJ or whomever, if he TRULY thought at that moment P's life was in grave danger, he should have immediately placed a call to 911. That one fact "life in danger" should have been the ONLY consideration in how to proceed to save a life. Not who the person was or anything else. A HUMAN LIFE IN A GRAVE MEDICAL EMERGENCY. Instead he sends his son that is not a licensed Physician with a pack pack full of illegal drugs, the NEXT DAY. And may I ask if these drugs were Andrew's personal stash, how and why were they acquired?? Why would he intentionally and knowingly commit a crime....State and Federal?? The story makes me question if there even was an emergency. Otherwise I would think that a MD would surely follow the law and the Hippocratic Oath. Look at what he has to lose if prosecuted or sued. Why would he risk everything he owns?? Just my thoughts......😣 If Dr. k had called 911 ( if there was truly an emergency) P might be alive today. He mighta been super PO'd but alive. [Edited 4/23/17 15:54pm]

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My thoughts exactly!

GoneCrazy2016 said:

Wow! This is quite a thread. I agree with lots of what I read, some not so much. I know what the autopsy says, and it is hard to swallow. I have also read all of the warrants. I am not disputing what killed Prince, but so many things don't make sense, which is why I personally have not been able to find closure. Like: *If KJ was really P's friend, why the heck did he drop him off in front of Paisley Park and leave him? He just the day before told Dr. Kornfeld it was an urgent situation, so he knew P was in bad shape. He just finished taking P to the Dr. to help with withdwarl symptoms....but he left him alone? He definitely took him in for withdrawals. None of the 4 RX were for pain. I do not care if Prince (possibly said) he wanted to be alone, there is a time when you do what is right for people that you care for. Did his job mean more to him than Prince's life? The pics at Walgreens show that Prince had his clothes on correct. But he was found with them backwards? We all know Prince did not go to bed until the middle of the night...so if he had not gone to bed, why would his clothes be backward? Let us just assume that he did not feel well and did go to bed. Okay, so he started feeling real funky, and got up to get help? Maybe he put his clothes on, in the dark? My confusion is, he died and was found with his hat on. If I was that sick or thought something was wrong, and was getting up in the middle of the night, I don't think I would be taking time to add on accessories. If he was in bed feeling funky, and needed help, why not grab the landline? The elevator he was found in, was all of the way at the front of Paisley Park, by the front door. What would he have been doing there? With his clothes on backwards? And his socks inside out, without his boots that he never took off? But with his hat on? *Why on earth would Dr. S. Prescribe Benzodiazepines for a patient whom he just prescribed Opiates for the prior week. These two drugs both suppress breathing and are an extremely dangerous combination. It seems pretty clear, based on the search warrant, that the prescriptions were meant for Prince. It also seems clear that the Oxycodone was prescribed to ease his withdrawal symptoms (because you cannot just stop cold turkey), so it seems he knew about the situation. But even if he did not, those are not drugs that should be taken together by anyone. Both were found in Prince's blood work from the autopsy. Perhaps this contributed to his overdose? We are all asking about the RX bottles and how long of a history Kirk had of giving RX to Prince. Is no one questioning the Vitamin D RX? It was an RX from CVS, and it had Kirk Johnson's name on it, and it did have 7 Vitamin D pills in it, along with 8 of the Ondansetron (anti nausea) pills mixed in. What was the date on the Vitamin D bottle? Clearly it was not from 4/20. This definitely adds to the contradictions with what he told investigators. All of the Watson pills were found in either bayer or aleve bottles. I find it interesting that the other meds were combined to RX bottles, but all of the Watson pills were in separate bottles. Wonder if they fingerprinted the bottles. How does anyone know Prince put those bottles there? He did not have any Fentanyl in his blood the week before, and did not show long term use of the drug (yes, I know, he took other opiates). It just seems odd that he had 100 of the Watson pills stashed (like he HAD to have them, but there is lack of evidence that he had been taking them prior to his overdose (as stated by authorities). Kirk had full access to Paisley Park. We keep asking why he did not remove the pills. Maybe we need to reverse the question. I do not understand. IF he did get the pills for Prince, it does not make sense he would just drop him off at 8 pm knowing the pills were there, and not so much as check on him. What are the chances that you have 100 pills for Watson (Vicodin), all identical, but only a few contain Fentanyl, and they are all mixed together? Can we say Russian Roulette? And Prince would grab the pills and take them, when he just got home with a bag full of RX from the doctor to help him through withdrawals, after he almost died one week before? And that the pill would have a large enough dose of Fentanyl to kill him. Also why did the police have a search warrant for neck swabs? Admistration through the neck would have required a patch, which was not in the warrant. Probably over reaching here, but have not forgotten that famous "Just when you thought you were safe" tweet. Someone mentioned that maybe he did it on purpose and made it look accidental. As krypton as he was, I don't believe Prince would go out making himself look like an addict. He cared too much about his image. I am not a conspiracy theorist, there are just so many things that do not feel right. The elevator, the clothes, the tweets, no will (which I still don't believe), the sisters comments about his knowing he was goin, the rush to cremate him... am I the only one that did not find it appropriate that all of those people were all up in Paisley 2 days after he was found? He has a secret hidden space at Paisley where he hid things. I wonder if the police found and searched it. Kind of seems if he wanted to hide "his pills" that would have been a go to spot. Might even find a will?? Okay, just need to go click print and publish this. Sorry for goin on and on. Ya'll got my brain ticking.

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^^ All good points you made here. ^^

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This case is by far the most f-up situation on the planet. I just don't know any other way to describe it right now. So many people involved. So many conflicting stories -- he said, she said.

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I just pray for justice and peace for Prince. If someone is responsible, let justice be served.

Article from People magazine, dated April 18, 2017:

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Dr. S said:

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“Dr. Schulenberg has been and remains committed to providing full transparency regarding his practice as it relates to the Prince investigation. Dr. Schulenberg has previously disclosed all information regarding his care and treatment of Prince to his former employer, law enforcement authorities and regulatory authorities in the course of his complete cooperation with the investigation of Prince’s death. There are no restrictions on Dr. Schulenberg’s medical license, and contrary to headlines and media reports published in the wake of [Monday]’s unsealing of search warrants relating to the investigation, Dr. Schulenberg never directly prescribed opioids to Prince, nor did he ever prescribe opioids to any other person with the intent that they would be given to Prince.”

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“Dr. Schulenberg met with Prince and prescribed him Clonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate and Diazepam. On 4/20/2016, Johnson went to Walgreen’s in Minnetonka … and picked up Prince’s prescription medication. Johnson told Investigators this was the first time he had ever done something like that for Prince,” one document states.

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http://people.com/music/prince-doctor-never-prescribed-opioids-false-name-lawyer-claims/

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laurarichardson said:

NotACleverName said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said: What I am pointing out is that there were plenty of oversights (or mistakes, whatever you want to call it) with regard to this entire event. I just don't understand how someone can accuse another person, that they

That may not have been Andrew's intention but who the hell knows what would have happened if he was administered those meds. No one at the scene would have had any idea what Prince had taken the night before. The whole idea was stupid and an open invitation to medical negligence.

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Laura: You hit the nail right on the head........"Medical Negligence". ^^^^

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

Has anyone read the recent article about Chazz Smith?

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Forgive me if it's already been posted here. I've been away for the past 4-months due to personal reasons.

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Anywho, I just don't know what to think anymore. This guy says a lot of conflicting things. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Chazz say after Prince's death that Prince had a problem and needed help? Now, he is seeking answers to Prince's death and thinks there is foul-play. (see link below).

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<p>http://www.fox9.com/news/248932945-story</p>

He has started a hashtag. Justice4Prince. I wish he would not be so crytic and come out say what he knows. He started all this before the warrants were releashed so something was upsetting him before this information became known.

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Yea, I saw that. I find his words a bit hard to swallow because he said some harsh things about Prince in the past. Also, wasn't he the one who went on camera saying that Prince was in pain and needed help, or something along those lines. I mean, if you know someone needs help and you don't intervene, then that makes you part of the problem.

benni said:

Just wanted to emphasize a few of your points, benni. When people lose sight of the facts, there is a need to blame someone for something they don't understand. Dr. Kornfeld and his son are currently being made the fall guys for the demise of Prince.

NotACleverName said:

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A = did not happen, he was not stabilized as proven by his death


B= I 100% get that dr k could not determine prince condition because he was not there to examine him, and that is pretty much the problem in a nut shell

benni said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Benni: We both have a difference of opinion on this matter. The fact remains that if Dr. K, or any doctor for that matter knows that a person (Prince was not even a patient of his, btw), clearly shows any signs of a medical emergency, the doctor has the responsibility to call 911 and/or get help for that person, immediately.

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The bottom line is, it was unethical and unlawful what Dr. K and his son Andrew did.

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Prince had regular doctors in Chanhassen, and a doctor has an obligation to privacy laws. He was seeing Dr. S, who was a local doctor.

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I fully understand that a any physician has to assess a person's condition before they can treat them, and that is exactly why it was inappropriate to fly in some med student from CA to do that.

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You are ignoring that Dr. K had them contact a local doctor to assess Prince's current condition and to stabilize him.

It is not inappropriate to fly in a representative of his company to discuss the treatment procedure at that facility and determine whether Prince is appropriate for that treatment and let Prince decide whether that facility and treatment process is appropriate for him.

Prince was seen the day of the 20th by Dr. S. If Prince were in a medical emergency, it would be up to Dr. S to call 911 as his treating physician and as a physician that had seen Prince recently and could more directly assess whether there really is a medical emergency. Dr. K could not assess that over that phone and if he contacted 911 and Prince decided to sue because he was not there to assess him in person to be able to determine a medical emergency, then Dr. K would have lost that case. Dr. K is not responsible. I would hold Dr. S more responsible since he was the one that had physical access to Prince and could immediately determine through observation and examination whether there was a medical emergency.

That is what you are not getting. Dr. K could not determine a medical emergency because he was not there to examine Prince and assess the situation.

Edited to add: And all of this precludes that Prince is willing to be treated in a medical emergency or no. If Prince declined treatment, there is nothing they could have done. They would have to prove that Prince was incompetent to make decisions or was not in full capacity able to make those decisions.

Case in point: I had a hospice patient once who would drink himself silly. We would find him passed out in urine and feces. His drinking was killing him. We contacted APS because we felt that he was a threat to himself. APS stated they could not get involved because it was a "lifestyle choice" and that they would not be able to petition the courts to hold him against his will.

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Benni: No, I am not ignoring the fact that Dr. K had contacted a local doctor (Dr. S) to assess Prince's condition. I am aware of that and yes, I do feel that Dr. S should have called 911. I'm not arguing that.

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Don't forget, that it was Prince's inner circle (KJ and others) who contacted Dr. K and had stated that Prince was not doing well, so Dr. K already knew what he was dealing with, but no, he was not face-to-face and was not there personally to assess Prince's grave conditon.

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I do not understand why Prince's inner circle or Dr. S. did not call 911. I will never understand that, ever.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

NotACleverName said:

Just wanted to emphasize a few of your points, benni. When people lose sight of the facts, there is a need to blame someone for something they don't understand. Dr. Kornfeld and his son are currently being made the fall guys for the demise of Prince.

Reply to bolded statements A = did not happen, he was not stabilized as proven by his death B= I 100% get that dr k could not determine prince condition because he was not there to examine him, and that is pretty much the problem in a nut shell

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Lovesymbol: Agreed. ^^^^

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If someone needs to be "stabilized", you surely don't call up some doctor in Cali, who is not there to examine someone who is in "grave condition".... that is the first thing that you DON'T do. Just saying.

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It's hard for some people to understand that I guess?

PennyPurple said:

No,not like that at all.

GoneCrazy2016 said:

Wow! This is quite a thread. I agree with lots of what I read, some not so much. I know what the autopsy says, and it is hard to swallow. I have also read all of the warrants. I am not disputing what killed Prince, but so many things don't make sense, which is why I personally have not been able to find closure.

Like: 1. *If KJ was really P's friend, why the heck did he drop him off in front of Paisley Park and leave him? He just the day before told Dr. Kornfeld it was an urgent situation, so he knew P was in bad shape. He just finished taking P to the Dr. to help with withdwarl symptoms....but he left him alone? He definitely took him in for withdrawals. None of the 4 RX were for pain. I do not care if Prince (possibly said) he wanted to be alone, there is a time when you do what is right for people that you care for. Did his job mean more to him than Prince's life?

2. The pics at Walgreens show that Prince had his clothes on correct. But he was found with them backwards? We all know Prince did not go to bed until the middle of the night...so if he had not gone to bed, why would his clothes be backward? Let us just assume that he did not feel well and did go to bed. Okay, so he started feeling real funky, and got up to get help? Maybe he put his clothes on, in the dark? My confusion is, he died and was found with his hat on. If I was that sick or thought something was wrong, and was getting up in the middle of the night, I don't think I would be taking time to add on accessories. If he was in bed feeling funky, and needed help, why not grab the landline? The elevator he was found in, was all of the way at the front of Paisley Park, by the front door. What would he have been doing there? With his clothes on backwards? And his socks inside out, without his boots that he never took off? But with his hat on?

3. *Why on earth would Dr. S. Prescribe Benzodiazepines for a patient whom he just prescribed Opiates for the prior week. These two drugs both suppress breathing and are an extremely dangerous combination. It seems pretty clear, based on the search warrant, that the prescriptions were meant for Prince. It also seems clear that the Oxycodone was prescribed to ease his withdrawal symptoms (because you cannot just stop cold turkey), so it seems he knew about the situation. But even if he did not, those are not drugs that should be taken together by anyone. Both were found in Prince's blood work from the autopsy. Perhaps this contributed to his overdose?

4. We are all asking about the RX bottles and how long of a history Kirk had of giving RX to Prince. Is no one questioning the Vitamin D RX? It was an RX from CVS, and it had Kirk Johnson's name on it, and it did have 7 Vitamin D pills in it, along with 8 of the Ondansetron (anti nausea) pills mixed in. What was the date on the Vitamin D bottle? Clearly it was not from 4/20. This definitely adds to the contradictions with what he told investigators. All of the Watson pills were found in either bayer or aleve bottles. I find it interesting that the other meds were combined to RX bottles, but all of the Watson pills were in separate bottles. Wonder if they fingerprinted the bottles. How does anyone know Prince put those bottles there? He did not have any Fentanyl in his blood the week before, and did not show long term use of the drug (yes, I know, he took other opiates). It just seems odd that he had 100 of the Watson pills stashed (like he HAD to have them, but there is lack of evidence that he had been taking them prior to his overdose (as stated by authorities).

5. Kirk had full access to Paisley Park. We keep asking why he did not remove the pills. Maybe we need to reverse the question. I do not understand. IF he did get the pills for Prince, it does not make sense he would just drop him off at 8 pm knowing the pills were there, and not so much as check on him. What are the chances that you have 100 pills for Watson (Vicodin), all identical, but only a few contain Fentanyl, and they are all mixed together? Can we say Russian Roulette? And Prince would grab the pills and take them, when he just got home with a bag full of RX from the doctor to help him through withdrawals, after he almost died one week before? And that the pill would have a large enough dose of Fentanyl to kill him.

6. Also why did the police have a search warrant for neck swabs? Admistration through the neck would have required a patch, which was not in the warrant. Probably over reaching here, but have not forgotten that famous "Just when you thought you were safe" tweet.

7. Someone mentioned that maybe he did it on purpose and made it look accidental. As krypton as he was, I don't believe Prince would go out making himself look like an addict. He cared too much about his image. I am not a conspiracy theorist, there are just so many things that do not feel right. The elevator, the clothes, the tweets, no will (which I still don't believe), the sisters comments about his knowing he was goin, the rush to cremate him... am I the only one that did not find it appropriate that all of those people were all up in Paisley 2 days after he was found? He has a secret hidden space at Paisley where he hid things. I wonder if the police found and searched it. Kind of seems if he wanted to hide "his pills" that would have been a go to spot. Might even find a will?? Okay, just need to go click print and publish this. Sorry for goin on and on. Ya'll got my brain ticking.

1. Prince was stubborn. If he didn't want to be bothered, he would not be bothered. Kirk had been working with him for years and would know how to recognize that stubborn streak when it reared its head meaning Prince would not be disuaded. Also, we just don't know the reasoning why Kirk left him alone. That is the one stumbling block for me. If they truly felt Prince was in the midst of a medical emergency, someone would have stayed with him. Period. Since no one did, it implies to me that they didn't realize just how serious the situation was.

2. I'm under the impression that he probably did go to bed because he wasn't feeling well. Or it could be that he took the medication and when it hit, it made him really feel terrible, so he thought if he laid down it would pass. When you take too much of a pain medication, it can make you confused, overheated and clammy, dizzy, nauseaus. If Prince were feeling that way, he might have undressed, thinking if he could cool down, he'd feel better. In that situation, he would not have undressed in a way that would have kept his clothes turned right, he would have just pulled them off any way he could. So when he felt worse, he just grabbed them and started putting them on. He might have put the hat on because he was going to call for help, and you know how Prince was about his hair, but if he thought it was mussed up, he might have wanted the hat to cover it. If he were to call for help, then chances are some reporters may have listened to the police scanners and heard a call to Paisley, then would be taking pictures of him. All supposition because no one was there to verify any of it. But I've taken too much pain medication before and I know how it makes you feel.

3. I take Xanax and I take pain medication. Both taken as prescribed can work together. This doesn't throw any red flags for me. They are prescribed by one doctor, my general practitioner. I also work with a lot of patients that take Xanax and narcotic pain medications.

4. Kirk was at Paisley Park a lot. He could have left some of his more innocuous prescriptions just for convenience. Prince, could have taken the bottle and thrown in some of his medication to put in another area of Paisley so that he would have access to it if needed, rather than having to run to his living quarters to get his medicine every time he needed it. To me, the fact that he had that many pills around Paisley Park, suggests that he wasn't the addict that every one wants to make him out to be. I have old prescriptions of narcotics that I didn't finish and leave them around, just in case I ever do need them and it's after hours and I'm out of my current prescription. And read my previous post about how I think it might have happened that Prince got the fentanyl. Reply #106.

5. Again, reply # 106.


6. Neck swabs are routine police procedure in this situation, when they do not have a cause of death immediately and are not certain whether it was natural causes or something else. They look for DNA with a neck swab, as it has been show that the neck area will usually contain traces of DNA if there was any kind of altercation. The same with why they swabbed his hands. If Prince had been in any kind of altercation it is possible there would be DNA on his hands. It's routine. And regarding the "Just when you thought you were safe" tweet, the original tweet was accompanied by an announcement of either a release or another show. He was saying that as a joke related to him releasing more music or performing. (I can't remember which now.) There was nothing sinister with that tweet or IG.

7. As for hiding pills in a secret hiding place, it doesn't seem to me like Prince was really hiding them. It seems like he was putting them in areas where he would have easy access depending upon where he was in Paisley at that time. If he suddenly had a lot of pain and he was recording music, he wouldn't want to have to stop and run all the way up to his living quarters to get his pain medication. He would want it somewhere that was close by and easy to grab without having to carry the pills with him whereever he went in Paisley.

Shaolin325 said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

NotACleverName said:

Just wanted to emphasize a few of your points, benni. When people lose sight of the facts, there is a need to blame someone for something they don't understand. Dr. Kornfeld and his son are currently being made the fall guys for the demise of Prince.

Reply to bolded statements A = did not happen, he was not stabilized as proven by his death B= I 100% get that dr k could not determine prince condition because he was not there to examine him, and that is pretty much the problem in a nut shell

Actually we don't know if Prince was stabilized or not. It wasn't his medical emergency that caused Prince's demise, it was taking a medication that had fentanyl in it and he was not aware that it had the fentanyl in it. Prince may have been stabilized, but because the medication was cut with something like that, it caused his passing. People keep neglecting to look at that aspect of it. It wasn't addiction that killed him. It wasn't him being in dire straights. It was the fact that the medication he had contained fentanyl and Prince was unaware that it had fentanyl in it or what it would do to him. So, he could very well have been stabilized, but took something that was very dangerous to him without him knowing it was dangerous.

benni said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

NotACleverName said: Reply to bolded statements A = did not happen, he was not stabilized as proven by his death B= I 100% get that dr k could not determine prince condition because he was not there to examine him, and that is pretty much the problem in a nut shell

Actually we don't know if Prince was stabilized or not. It wasn't his medical emergency that caused Prince's demise, it was taking a medication that had fentanyl in it and he was not aware that it had the fentanyl in it. Prince may have been stabilized, but because the medication was cut with something like that, it caused his passing. People keep neglecting to look at that aspect of it. It wasn't addiction that killed him. It wasn't him being in dire straights. It was the fact that the medication he had contained fentanyl and Prince was unaware that it had fentanyl in it or what it would do to him. So, he could very well have been stabilized, but took something that was very dangerous to him without him knowing it was dangerous.

You never know what you are gonna get when you buy street drugs.