benni said:

benni said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

NotACleverName said: Reply to bolded statements A = did not happen, he was not stabilized as proven by his death B= I 100% get that dr k could not determine prince condition because he was not there to examine him, and that is pretty much the problem in a nut shell

Actually we don't know if Prince was stabilized or not. It wasn't his medical emergency that caused Prince's demise, it was taking a medication that had fentanyl in it and he was not aware that it had the fentanyl in it. Prince may have been stabilized, but because the medication was cut with something like that, it caused his passing. People keep neglecting to look at that aspect of it. It wasn't addiction that killed him. It wasn't him being in dire straights. It was the fact that the medication he had contained fentanyl and Prince was unaware that it had fentanyl in it or what it would do to him. So, he could very well have been stabilized, but took something that was very dangerous to him without him knowing it was dangerous.

You never know what you are gonna get when you buy street drugs.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

benni said:

Actually we don't know if Prince was stabilized or not. It wasn't his medical emergency that caused Prince's demise, it was taking a medication that had fentanyl in it and he was not aware that it had the fentanyl in it. Prince may have been stabilized, but because the medication was cut with something like that, it caused his passing. People keep neglecting to look at that aspect of it. It wasn't addiction that killed him. It wasn't him being in dire straights. It was the fact that the medication he had contained fentanyl and Prince was unaware that it had fentanyl in it or what it would do to him. So, he could very well have been stabilized, but took something that was very dangerous to him without him knowing it was dangerous.

So his people describing his condition as grave and him dying less than a day later is a pretty good indication he was not stable, come on, he was in dire straights the entire month of April. He o.d. Big time less than a week before he dies, and probably had some similar crisis when he canceled Atlanta, that is also a pretty clear indication someone is in crisis, he almost died and then a few days later did the exact same thing again that almost killed him the week before, that did not all happen because he accidentally took one bad pill by mistake

Dr. S saw him and assessed him. If he were in dire straights, Dr. S would know. His dying was NOT a response to his current situation, regardless. It was a DIRECT result of taking medication that was cut with fentanyl. That was something outside of his control and every one else's. I can't imagine any one knew the pills were cut with fentanyl. I don't think it's advertised that way.

And yes, he overdosed a week earlier, but they still could have thought they had it under control for the short term while they sought out help.

And yes, his death did occur because he accidentally took one bad pill by mistake.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

ceilidh said:

#19 says the police found 6 people there when they arrived. I thought it was just Kirk, Meron and Andrew and Prince. What have I missed. Who else was there?

This is the observation of the Detectives.

By the time they arrived there were police officers and medics at the scene.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

ceilidh said:

#19 says the police found 6 people there when they arrived. I thought it was just Kirk, Meron and Andrew and Prince. What have I missed. Who else was there?

This is the observation of the Detectives.

By the time they arrived there were police officers and medics at the scene.

The doctor with test results was also there.

Search Warrant #3.

To recap:

PP was declared a crime scene on 4-21-16.

The Detectives confiscated Andrew's backpack an inventoried.

All drugs found at PP were confiscated and inventoried.

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Search Warrant #3 requested Ridgeview Medical Records on 4-27-16 (in Chaka, MN).

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The Detective that requested the records states under oath:

1. On 4-21-16 at 9043 Deptuties and Paramedics were dispathched to PP for a reported unconscious and not breathing male. Rescue units repsonded and CPR was started.
2. Rescue units responded and CPR was started. CPR was started and the male was determined to be deceased at 1007.
3. The individuals at the death scene were taken back to the Carver County District Office in the city of Chanhassen to be interviwed.
4. Dr. Schulenberg was interviewed on 4-21-16 at 1057. It was learned Prince was seen by Dr. S on 4-7-16 and 4-20-16.
5. Tests were performed by Dr. S on Prince and Dr. S was dropping off the test results to Prince at PP when he appeared at the death scene. Dr. S said he did prescribe Prince medications and the scripts were to be filled at Walgreens.
6. It was also learned on 4-21-16 (wrong date) Prince was a passenger on a plane that had to make an emergency landing because of health concerns. The flight landed in Moline, IL and Prince was taken away by ambulance to the hospital.
7. Another detective stated she had interviewed Kirk who said Prince had gone to Ridgeview Hospital for an illness in 2014 or 2015. Kirk said Prince received fluids during this visit.

.The Search Warrant was signed by the Judge on the same date.

LoriJ said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

This is the observation of the Detectives.

By the time they arrived there were police officers and medics at the scene.

The doctor with test results was also there.

It doesnt state whether the Doc arrived before or after the medics and police.

benni said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

PennyPurple said: Yes Penny That is what stands out ..and for the reason I feel the way I do.

Again, IF Prince were dealing with all of this, Minnesota was home. It was where he felt safe and secure. You don't get treated at home. You don't want those bad vibes of whatever you might be dealing with, at home. You don't want your neighbors talking amongst themselves so that you never feel safe to go out of the home, riding your bike, as Prince, the neighbor, and thinking they may now forever see you as Prince, the rockstar who dealt with an addiction. You lose that safety and security.

But see my post above, I don't think he was an addict.

There are a number of org members who have been saying this pretty much from the start. It's always good to see yet another member "see" this

Yes that's true. Didn't Dr. S lose his job and started working somewhere else?

Very good point, DD55. At the very least, he disregarded his Hippocratic Oath of "first, do no harm" by prescribing those oxy pills to Kirk knowing full well they were going to be used by Prince. He is backpedaling in a desperate attempt to preserve his career. Perhaps he sincerely believed he was acting in good faith but he had a duty to ensure that Prince received the best care possible. An argument could be made that HE failed Prince. Why is no one scrutinizing HIM?

My response isn't aimed at anyone in particular, just the general ideas mentioned here in these posts.

I don't think we've ever been given information that indicates Dr S "lost" his job in relation to what he did or didn't do for Prince (but if someone saw something saying he was fired, please do post a link for reference). For all any of us know, it was a planned job change initiated by the doctor well before he even saw P the first time. I recall someone had said he is still in MN, not very far away, and is still in practice but I am not sure if it was an org member or on a FB group. There's lots of speculating about those close to him, but don't lose sight of the fact that no one has been arrested for doing anything wrong to nor for him, which makes it appear as though there is no conclusive evidence to charge anyone.

Mumio said:

Very good point, DD55. At the very least, he disregarded his Hippocratic Oath of "first, do no harm" by prescribing those oxy pills to Kirk knowing full well they were going to be used by Prince. He is backpedaling in a desperate attempt to preserve his career. Perhaps he sincerely believed he was acting in good faith but he had a duty to ensure that Prince received the best care possible. An argument could be made that HE failed Prince. Why is no one scrutinizing HIM?

My response isn't aimed at anyone in particular, just the general ideas mentioned here in these posts.

I don't think we've ever been given information that indicates Dr S "lost" his job in relation to what he did or didn't do for Prince (but if someone saw something saying he was fired, please do post a link for reference). For all any of us know, it was a planned job change initiated by the doctor well before he even saw P the first time. I recall someone had said he is still in MN, not very far away, and is still in practice but I am not sure if it was an org member or on a FB group. There's lots of speculating about those close to him, but don't lose sight of the fact that no one has been arrested for doing anything wrong to nor for him, which makes it appear as though there is no conclusive evidence to charge anyone.

they said something about him not working their, i don't think any reason was given. quite coincidental that it happened at the time of P's death. Hospital probably covering it's ass, that's what hospitals do, my ma fell on hospital property and cracked her head and died, they tried to say she did it across the street, a bald faced lie most likely.

PeteSilas said:

Mumio said:

My response isn't aimed at anyone in particular, just the general ideas mentioned here in these posts.

I don't think we've ever been given information that indicates Dr S "lost" his job in relation to what he did or didn't do for Prince (but if someone saw something saying he was fired, please do post a link for reference). For all any of us know, it was a planned job change initiated by the doctor well before he even saw P the first time. I recall someone had said he is still in MN, not very far away, and is still in practice but I am not sure if it was an org member or on a FB group. There's lots of speculating about those close to him, but don't lose sight of the fact that no one has been arrested for doing anything wrong to nor for him, which makes it appear as though there is no conclusive evidence to charge anyone.

they said something about him not working their, i don't think any reason was given. quite coincidental that it happened at the time of P's death. Hospital probably covering it's ass, that's what hospitals do, my ma fell on hospital property and cracked her head and died, they tried to say she did it across the street, a bald faced lie most likely.

But if he had violated hospital policy or a law...or whatever...do you really think he would have been working someplace else that quickly? They (his new employer) would know why he left that hospital, especially since his name was out there connected to the case. If he lied about it, they could fire him for that too so I think it is quite likely it was a planned job change. Coincidences do happen sometimes.


ETA: it would be interesting to find out exactly how Dr. S was employed by the hospital...meaning, did he work in a clinic owned by the hospital? It would also be interesting to know if the place he works now is also owned by the hospital but I don't care enough about it to try to research that. I just don't look at Dr S as guilty simply on what we know now and apparently, neither does CCSO.

[Edited 4/24/17 2:06am]

Mumio said:

PeteSilas said:

they said something about him not working their, i don't think any reason was given. quite coincidental that it happened at the time of P's death. Hospital probably covering it's ass, that's what hospitals do, my ma fell on hospital property and cracked her head and died, they tried to say she did it across the street, a bald faced lie most likely.

But if he had violated hospital policy or a law...or whatever...do you really think he would have been working someplace else that quickly? They (his new employer) would know why he left that hospital, especially since his name was out there connected to the case. If he lied about it, they could fire him for that too so I think it is quite likely it was a planned job change. Coincidences do happen sometimes.


ETA: if would be interesting to find out exactly how Dr. S was employed by the hospital...meaning, did he work in a clinic owned by the hospital? It would also be interesting to know if the place he works now is also owned by the hospital but I don't care enough about it to try to research that. I just don't look at Dr S as guilty simply on what we know now and apparently, neither does CCSO.

[Edited 4/24/17 0:49am]

could be, can't say without more info.

PeteSilas said:

disch said:

I do not believe Andrew murdered Prince (as there are absolutely no moitve, means or opportunity that makes any cohererent sense).

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I would also ask you and others to think about insinuating on the internet that a real person is a murderer. It may seem like entertaining "speculation" but this could really cause damage to a real person.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

disch said: The warrant says Andrews plane arrived at 6 am. We really don't know if that is true but assuming it is Andrew could have gone straight to PP and had the fake pill and gave it to Prince. That is still 3hrs before they dialed 911 (6:30-9:45) Then he was pronounced @ 10:07 The Drs son had quite a lot of pills in envelopes and I still think he brought the fake hydrocodone pills laced with fentanyl...

[Edited 4/23/17 10:04am]

Absolutely agree. Makes no sense whatsoever.

disch said:

Prince WAS treated locally on April 20. Per this warrant, Dr S saw Prince on that day and prescribed him some medication. Perhaps that made others feel that Prince's situation was under control, at least enough to tide him over until the next day.

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Prince was an adult and still in charge of his own healthcare. I don't know how he could be forced to recieve treatment he didn't agree to, and we don't know what he was telling those around him about what he was feeling/doing.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

benni said: When dr k was called prince was alive, but in grave condition, does not sound good, had he simply said "because of my location and the described condition of the patient, my best medical recommendation is to handle this locally, right now, I will make some calls". Also a person in grave medical condition is not going to any rehab, they are going to the hospital to get stabilized, then go to rehab. Since dr k said he would handle it, princes people waited for him and now we all know that was the wrong decision, prince dies while they were waiting for cali to get to Minnie. Based on what we know about the last few weeks of princes life he was not mentally capable of making sound decisions regarding his health, you know full blown o.d. Ect, so who cares what he wanted, get him to the f*cking hospital, save his life, and deal with the fall out later.

Perhaps the doctor told him on the 20th that he really needed to go into rehab and Prince refused and then the doctor gave him the medication for withdrawals. And then his inner circle decided to call for a kind of intervention knowing that Prince intended to continue to ween himself off the medication with no thought whatsoever about going into rehab. He was not feeling well and that's why he went to the doctor in the first place and did some blood tests to see what else could be wrong, so the doctor could figure out the possible damage done to his organs, etc. He then went home and wanted to be alone because he had already decided in his mind that this whole weening himself off the meds wasn't working and decided to get back on the pills to stop the withdrawls symptoms. Perhaps he had resorted to those illegal pills before and unfortunately that night ended up unknowingly taking a fentanyl laced one.

mnfriend said:

MMJas said:

Did anyone see Jill Jones's post directed at Kirk?

No, what did it say, please? (and thank you)

I got a pic, but cannot upload it. She said:

"Kirk Get a job at McDonalds if you need to pay for your defense!! You don't need to be collecting coins off of Prince's back any fucking more!! conflict of interest babe. You lied to my face! And I knew it."

i've said jokingly that we should pool our money and hire a pi, but honestly, i'd be down for the cause.

MMJas said:

disch said:

Prince WAS treated locally on April 20. Per this warrant, Dr S saw Prince on that day and prescribed him some medication. Perhaps that made others feel that Prince's situation was under control, at least enough to tide him over until the next day.

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Prince was an adult and still in charge of his own healthcare. I don't know how he could be forced to recieve treatment he didn't agree to, and we don't know what he was telling those around him about what he was feeling/doing.

Perhaps the doctor told him on the 20th that he really needed to go into rehab and Prince refused and then the doctor gave him the medication for withdrawals. And then his inner circle decided to call for a kind of intervention knowing that Prince intended to continue to ween himself off the medication with no thought whatsoever about going into rehab. He was not feeling well and that's why he went to the doctor in the first place and did some blood tests to see what else could be wrong, so the doctor could figure out the possible damage done to his organs, etc. He then went home and wanted to be alone because he had already decided in his mind that this whole weening himself off the meds wasn't working and decided to get back on the pills to stop the withdrawls symptoms. Perhaps he had resorted to those illegal pills before and unfortunately that night ended up unknowingly taking a fentanyl laced one.

Perhaps the Doctor who prescribed him medications believed that the meds would be enough to help him and he did not need to be hospitalized. We have no access to the medical files but I would take Dr. S treatment over what Dr. K had to say since Dr. K did not examine Prince and may have told his lawyer this " gravely ill" stuff in order to not look so bad.

PeteSilas said:

i've said jokingly that we should pool our money and hire a pi, but honestly, i'd be down for the cause.

On one of the Facebook pages someone started a Go Fund Me to do just that. Not really going to work as long as the investigation is still open.

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

Perhaps the doctor told him on the 20th that he really needed to go into rehab and Prince refused and then the doctor gave him the medication for withdrawals. And then his inner circle decided to call for a kind of intervention knowing that Prince intended to continue to ween himself off the medication with no thought whatsoever about going into rehab. He was not feeling well and that's why he went to the doctor in the first place and did some blood tests to see what else could be wrong, so the doctor could figure out the possible damage done to his organs, etc. He then went home and wanted to be alone because he had already decided in his mind that this whole weening himself off the meds wasn't working and decided to get back on the pills to stop the withdrawls symptoms. Perhaps he had resorted to those illegal pills before and unfortunately that night ended up unknowingly taking a fentanyl laced one.

Perhaps the Doctor who prescribed him medications believed that the meds would be enough to help him and he did not need to be hospitalized. We have no access to the medical files but I would take Dr. S treatment over what Dr. K had to say since Dr. K did not examine Prince and may have told his lawyer this " gravely ill" stuff in order to not look so bad.

Exactly. So the doctor felt that Prince was sorted out, at least for the night, plus intented to go check on him the following day, with the blood results and to do a follow up appointment. Perhaps with the intention to persuade him further about going into rehab? Perahps the doctor talked about that local facility and Prince was totally against it, for the usual privacy and excessive exposure reasons?

In the meantime, Kirk or JH? called the drug addiction doctor, knowing that Prince had already dismissed the doctor's talks about rehab locally.
And in the meantime, Prince, alone, realizing that the withdrawl meds were not helping him, or having already decided to go back to his pain meds, took that fentanyl laced pill.

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

Perhaps the Doctor who prescribed him medications believed that the meds would be enough to help him and he did not need to be hospitalized. We have no access to the medical files but I would take Dr. S treatment over what Dr. K had to say since Dr. K did not examine Prince and may have told his lawyer this " gravely ill" stuff in order to not look so bad.

Exactly. So the doctor felt that Prince was sorted out, at least for the night, plus intented to go check on him the following day, with the blood results and to do a follow up appointment. Perhaps with the intention to persuade him further about going into rehab? Perahps the doctor talked about that local facility and Prince was totally against it, for the usual privacy and excessive exposure reasons?

In the meantime, Kirk or JH? called the drug addiction doctor, knowing that Prince had already dismissed the doctor's talks about rehab locally.
And in the meantime, Prince, alone, realizing that the withdrawl meds were not helping him, or having already decided to go back to his pain meds, took that fentanyl laced pill.

He could have went back because the withdrawals were killing him. Also apparently I lot of the pills were cut in half so I think he was trying to get off these meds but I cannot figure out why he was touring while doing this. He could have taken sometime off and tried this outpatient approch or gone out of the country to a rehab. ( rumor he had the hip surgery out of the country) I really feel he worked himself death and I still am wondering were the money from the P&M shows went and where the 3 million from Tidal went? Did Prince really give someone POA?

I am begining to question his state of mind and if people around him were not taking advantage and I would not be so quick to look at his family members like a lot of people are doing. I think Prince had a helper mentality but you cannot help everyone.

I really think if the Tidal case goes to trial we are going to find out a little bit more about what was going on behind the sceans and it is not going to be rosy.

[Edited 4/24/17 4:20am]

Mumio said:

Very good point, DD55. At the very least, he disregarded his Hippocratic Oath of "first, do no harm" by prescribing those oxy pills to Kirk knowing full well they were going to be used by Prince. He is backpedaling in a desperate attempt to preserve his career. Perhaps he sincerely believed he was acting in good faith but he had a duty to ensure that Prince received the best care possible. An argument could be made that HE failed Prince. Why is no one scrutinizing HIM?

My response isn't aimed at anyone in particular, just the general ideas mentioned here in these posts.

I don't think we've ever been given information that indicates Dr S "lost" his job in relation to what he did or didn't do for Prince (but if someone saw something saying he was fired, please do post a link for reference). For all any of us know, it was a planned job change initiated by the doctor well before he even saw P the first time. I recall someone had said he is still in MN, not very far away, and is still in practice but I am not sure if it was an org member or on a FB group. There's lots of speculating about those close to him, but don't lose sight of the fact that no one has been arrested for doing anything wrong to nor for him, which makes it appear as though there is no conclusive evidence to charge anyone.

Dr. Michael Schulenberg, the doctor who was treating Prince prior to his death, inexplicably left the practice where he worked after law enforcement obtained a search warrant to dissect all medical records and prescriptions. According to TMZ, the doctor visited the “Purple Rain” singer twice in April, with one of those visits being the day Prince died.

The ‘scripts that Dr. Schulenberg wrote for Prince were filled 4 times during the last week of Prince’s life.

https://bossip.com/131298...ice-43081/

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

Exactly. So the doctor felt that Prince was sorted out, at least for the night, plus intented to go check on him the following day, with the blood results and to do a follow up appointment. Perhaps with the intention to persuade him further about going into rehab? Perahps the doctor talked about that local facility and Prince was totally against it, for the usual privacy and excessive exposure reasons?

In the meantime, Kirk or JH? called the drug addiction doctor, knowing that Prince had already dismissed the doctor's talks about rehab locally.
And in the meantime, Prince, alone, realizing that the withdrawl meds were not helping him, or having already decided to go back to his pain meds, took that fentanyl laced pill.

He could have went back because the withdrawals were killing him. Also apparently I lot of the pills were cut in half so I think he was trying to get off these meds but I cannot figure out why he was touring while doing this. He could have taken sometime off and tried this outpatient approch or gone out of the country to a rehab. ( rumor he had the hip surgery out of the country) I really feel he worked himself death and I still am wondering were the money from the P&M shows went and where the 3 million from Tidal went? Did Prince really give someone POA?

I am begining to question his state of mind and if people around him were not taking advantage and I would not be so quick to look at his family members like a lot of people are doing. I think Prince had a helper mentality but you cannot help everyone.

I really think if the Tidal case goes to trial we are going to find out a little bit more about what was going on behind the sceans and it is not going to be rosy.

[Edited 4/24/17 4:20am]

Regarding the bolded:

That's exactly what I've been saying.

The whole Estate things and music rights business is going to drag on for ages, unfortunately....

Mumio said:

Very good point, DD55. At the very least, he disregarded his Hippocratic Oath of "first, do no harm" by prescribing those oxy pills to Kirk knowing full well they were going to be used by Prince. He is backpedaling in a desperate attempt to preserve his career. Perhaps he sincerely believed he was acting in good faith but he had a duty to ensure that Prince received the best care possible. An argument could be made that HE failed Prince. Why is no one scrutinizing HIM?

My response isn't aimed at anyone in particular, just the general ideas mentioned here in these posts.

I don't think we've ever been given information that indicates Dr S "lost" his job in relation to what he did or didn't do for Prince (but if someone saw something saying he was fired, please do post a link for reference). For all any of us know, it was a planned job change initiated by the doctor well before he even saw P the first time. I recall someone had said he is still in MN, not very far away, and is still in practice but I am not sure if it was an org member or on a FB group. There's lots of speculating about those close to him, but don't lose sight of the fact that no one has been arrested for doing anything wrong to nor for him, which makes it appear as though there is no conclusive evidence to charge anyone.

A doctor being investigated following Prince 's death has left his clinic since the singer passed away.

Dr. Michael Todd Schulenberg - who performed tests and prescribed drugs on April 7 and April 20 - was discovered to have tre...t on May 5 .

It has now been revealed that the man - who specialises in family medicine - has left the North Memorial Medical Center following the Purple Rain singer's death.

Spokeswoman Lesa Bader confirmed the doctor had worked for its Minnetonka clinic when Prince was found dead in an elevator at his home but he now no longer works for the healthcare system.

From the Mirror.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3...ng-7945372

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

He could have went back because the withdrawals were killing him. Also apparently I lot of the pills were cut in half so I think he was trying to get off these meds but I cannot figure out why he was touring while doing this. He could have taken sometime off and tried this outpatient approch or gone out of the country to a rehab. ( rumor he had the hip surgery out of the country) I really feel he worked himself death and I still am wondering were the money from the P&M shows went and where the 3 million from Tidal went? Did Prince really give someone POA?

I am begining to question his state of mind and if people around him were not taking advantage and I would not be so quick to look at his family members like a lot of people are doing. I think Prince had a helper mentality but you cannot help everyone.

I really think if the Tidal case goes to trial we are going to find out a little bit more about what was going on behind the sceans and it is not going to be rosy.

[Edited 4/24/17 4:20am]

Regarding the bolded:

That's exactly what I've been saying.

The whole Estate things and music rights business is going to drag on for ages, unfortunately....

It does not have to drag on. the suit with Tidal can be settled either they had a contract or they did not and if they paid Prince 3 million they can certainly prove it and have their money returned. The 3 people appealing have little or no chance of being successful so I am not so sure why the court cannot proceed. I even think the UMG problem with the 30 million could come to some sort of settlement agreement or the money just being returned.

Perhaps Comerica bank will move to resolve this issues in the next year or two. Remember Jimi Hendrix's estate was messed up because the PA sat on his ass and did nothing for years. When Al Hendrix died the half sister Janie fired Leo Bratton and brought in compontent people who were able to get things resolved.

I think Bremer and McMillian have generated more suits and problems that were even neccesary out of plain old arrogance and greed.

Compare their performance and results with the Graceland people Or even Comerica which quickly went to court over Ian's B.S.

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

Regarding the bolded:

That's exactly what I've been saying.

The whole Estate things and music rights business is going to drag on for ages, unfortunately....

It does not have to drag on. the suit with Tidal can be settled either they had a contract or they did not and if they paid Prince 3 million they can certainly prove it and have their money returned. The 3 people appealing have little or no chance of being successful so I am not so sure why the court cannot proceed. I even think the UMG problem with the 30 million could come to some sort of settlement agreement or the money just being returned.

Perhaps Comerica bank will move to resolve this issues in the next year or two. Remember Jimi Hendrix's estate was messed up because the PA sat on his ass and did nothing for years. When Al Hendrix died the half sister Janie fired Leo Bratton and brought in compontent people who were able to get things resolved.

I think Bremer and McMillian have generated more suits and problems that were even neccesary out of plain old arrogance and greed.

Compare their performance and results with the Graceland people Or even Comerica which quickly went to court over Ian's B.S. Competent and ethical people running things can make a huge difference.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

Exactly. So the doctor felt that Prince was sorted out, at least for the night, plus intented to go check on him the following day, with the blood results and to do a follow up appointment. Perhaps with the intention to persuade him further about going into rehab? Perahps the doctor talked about that local facility and Prince was totally against it, for the usual privacy and excessive exposure reasons?

In the meantime, Kirk or JH? called the drug addiction doctor, knowing that Prince had already dismissed the doctor's talks about rehab locally.
And in the meantime, Prince, alone, realizing that the withdrawl meds were not helping him, or having already decided to go back to his pain meds, took that fentanyl laced pill.

He could have went back because the withdrawals were killing him. Also apparently I lot of the pills were cut in half so I think he was trying to get off these meds but I cannot figure out why he was touring while doing this. He could have taken sometime off and tried this outpatient approch or gone out of the country to a rehab. ( rumor he had the hip surgery out of the country) I really feel he worked himself death and I still am wondering were the money from the P&M shows went and where the 3 million from Tidal went? Did Prince really give someone POA?

I am begining to question his state of mind and if people around him were not taking advantage and I would not be so quick to look at his family members like a lot of people are doing. I think Prince had a helper mentality but you cannot help everyone.

I really think if the Tidal case goes to trial we are going to find out a little bit more about what was going on behind the sceans and it is not going to be rosy.

[Edited 4/24/17 4:20am]

Interesting point, Laura. While everyone (not inappropriatly) is focusing on the last hours, if we pull back and look at a broader picture we may note a chaos and disorder in his business dealings, daily routines, performances, personal interactions, musical hints ('Kirky...use me, 'til you use me up') that point to a growing disintegration of Prince's chosen lifestyle of image control. He was losing control. He was out of control. The pills (whether whole, half, legit or poison) were controllig him and until the last breath he appeared to fight ceding the last shreds of control to any entity that might have helped him. Except he made a fatal miscalculation...he wasn't in control anymore.

PennyPurple said:

Mumio said:

My response isn't aimed at anyone in particular, just the general ideas mentioned here in these posts.

I don't think we've ever been given information that indicates Dr S "lost" his job in relation to what he did or didn't do for Prince (but if someone saw something saying he was fired, please do post a link for reference). For all any of us know, it was a planned job change initiated by the doctor well before he even saw P the first time. I recall someone had said he is still in MN, not very far away, and is still in practice but I am not sure if it was an org member or on a FB group. There's lots of speculating about those close to him, but don't lose sight of the fact that no one has been arrested for doing anything wrong to nor for him, which makes it appear as though there is no conclusive evidence to charge anyone.

A doctor being investigated following Prince 's death has left his clinic since the singer passed away.

Dr. Michael Todd Schulenberg - who performed tests and prescribed drugs on April 7 and April 20 - was discovered to have tre...t on May 5 .

It has now been revealed that the man - who specialises in family medicine - has left the North Memorial Medical Center following the Purple Rain singer's death.

Spokeswoman Lesa Bader confirmed the doctor had worked for its Minnetonka clinic when Prince was found dead in an elevator at his home but he now no longer works for the healthcare system.

From the Mirror.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3...ng-7945372

Thanks Penny. At least that clears up one piece, that he isn't working for the hospital's clinics anymore.

[Edited 4/24/17 7:10am]