PennyPurple said:

Im sorry PennyPurple, I said IF. Im speculating like everyone else.

PeteSilas said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

This thread is so wrong

is that your buddy jimmy saville?

No. I'm merely equating this thread with a dead paedophile.

disch said:

No I don't need to research protocol in my area. I know what it is. I want to know if MN is different and how. I would think the best source would be CCSO. Much like you did with the ME.
We have investigated a lot together along with MENES and discovered much information. I refuse to be drawn into, for the lack of a better word "pissin' contest" with you. I respect you and your thoughts and opinions even though they differ from mine. Its not about who is right or wrong. It is about TRUTH.

disch said:

Just went back and reread through those. I see your point. Thank you for the redirect.

disch said:

Nothing in the warrants seems to indicate that anything was amiss in the way the police handled the Paisley Park building, at least to me.

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Per my reading of the warrants, the police accessed Paisley Park twice to retrieve evidence. The first time -- and the only general building search -- was on April 21, per a warrant signed that day (that's this one: http://www.mncourts.gov/m...ndex-1.pdf ). That search, conducted that day just 8 minutes after the warrant was signed, yielded Prince's opioid stash.

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The second warrant was issued on April 25, specifically to retrieve Prince's laptop computer (this one: http://www.mncourts.gov/m...ndex-3.pdf ). The computer was examined forensically by May 5, it sounds like.

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So the only possible issue was the delay in retrieving his laptop, which wouldn't really have caused an issue because of the forensic examination by an expert (the chances that a person could delete somthing off a computer that a forensic expert couldn't retrieve are slim, and the most important info woundn't likely be on the computer itself but in emails which are stored in a remote server, as noted in a different warrant for those email server records).

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So i'm not sure that the warrants show evidence of police "backtracking" or changing the investigation's focus, that I see anyway, nor do they show that "contamination" of the Paisley Park building would've been a factor in their invesigation.

kmama07 said:

disch said:

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precioux said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Paisley Park was never declared a "crime scene". There were several people going in and out of PP on 4/21/16, and several days thereafter. The search warrant came too late, because the crime scene was already contaminated by then. Sheila E. even admitted to "things being touched and moved", i.e, Prince's personal laptop.

Hey Clover..I'm pretty sure PP was declared a crime scene on 5/6/16. I never understood this. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on the date

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Sorry, I worded that incorrectly. Not enough sleep will do that, LOL.

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What I meant is that PP was not declared a crime scene until much later. It should have been done on 04/21/16, as soon as his body was found, imo.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

Regarding Prince's headaches. Headaches can be brought on by many things. Prince was known to go without eating any food for several hours or maybe even days. Heck, that's enough to give me a headache. He could have been dehydrated, which can cause headaches. Not getting enough rest can causes headaches. It could have been any number of prescriptions that could have caused his headaches. So many things can cause headaches.

Mrs. Mayte finally admitted he did have migraine headache on HLN last night.

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Well, I'm not surprised at all that Prince suffered from migraines. What is strange is that I have read several articles in the past where some of P's closest friends said that Prince did not even like to take an aspirin when he did not feel well.

zenarose said:

NotACleverName said:

This article... http://www.presspubs.com/...icle_fe059d14-6dd2-11e5-8576-2fc3f25abb98.html ....includes the following explanations: "Minnesota has a law entitled the “Good Samaritan Law." It places a legal duty on people to provide reasonable assistance to others that have been exposed to or are in peril of grave physical harm. Reasonable assistance could mean simply attempting to get help from law enforcement or medical personnel. To further encourage people to help others, the law protects lay-people from civil liability for negligence committed while voluntarily providing emergency care. This immunity exists both at the scene of the emergency and while transporting someone to a location where professional care can be rendered. While the law protects someone who negligently acts in good faith, it does not protect a person who acts in a willful and wanton or reckless manner." Andrew placed the 911 call thereby summoning "medical personnel"; and, while he might be considered negligent in bringing the meds across state lines, he did act in "good faith". That is my interpretation of how this law provides immunity.

Leaves a lot of gray area to me. Somehow it seems wrong for him to not be charged when he broke several laws.

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Andrew won't be charged with anything because he made the 911 call to cover his ass.

NotACleverName said:

laurarichardson said:

Calling 911 when someone is already dead has nothing to do with the Good Sam law. If Andrew had arrived on the scene and Prince was in need of those drugs as a life or death matter and he administered them he would be covered. Bringing these drugs across state lines without a medical license violets Federal laws because Prince was alive and well when Andrew was coming with meds and Prince could have gone to a hospital or down the road to Hazeldon.

Prince had NOT been pronounced at the time of Andrew's call. You can "debate" this all day long but the law is the law. Andrew has not been charged with any crime. It doesn't appear that he will be, either. Andrew had nothing to do with the death of Prince. No way. No how.

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Andrew told the 911 dispatch that Prince was not breathing, and said "I think he is dead".

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

laurarichardson said:

--Like I said had Andrew been forced to use the drugs due to a life or death stituation I could see but Prince had been dead for hours and there is no way Andrew knew Prince was going to die and these life savings drugs were the only things that could help. It is absurd but I guess we know how the criminal justice system works. [Edited 4/22/17 15:10pm]

Andrew was not a Good Samaritan ... Performing CPR would fit that not bringing illegal drugs across state lines that he had no business bringing because he is not a dr and he could not administer any meds.

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I agree, but the fact that Andrew made the 911 Call, he's off the hook. No pun intended.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

PennyPurple said:

What? The Kornfelds did nothing. If Andrew Kornfeld hadn't shown up, Prince would still be alive?

Prince passed before Andrew's plane even landed (6am). The Kornfelds have nothing to do with Prince's passing.

Dr kornfeld did everything wrong, he should have never been involved. When he was called and told prince was in grave condition, he should have said get him to the hospital now. He is compelled by his oath to call local people and due his,very best to get prince help, including calling the police for a wellness check. He should have implored princes people to do something right now, do not wait. Dr korn sending his uncredentialed son with a backpack full of narcotics is beyond irresponsible. I think the korns were hungry to have prince as a client, and rather than do what is best for the client they were doing what was best for their business, oh ya and it was illegal.

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Lovesymbol: I agree with you. Dr. Kornfeld and his med student Son, Andrew had a lot to do with Prince's death. If Prince was having a medical emergency, you don't send your Son, who is not a qualified doctor all the way from California with a backpack full of pills. So many laws were broken, yet they will get away with it.

I don't deny that Prince was in pain and he was seeking relief with his pain. I don't think he was popping pills just for fun and to get high. Anyone who performed like Prince did would be in some kind of pain.

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You would think that if Prince did have a dependency for pain pills, that he would have overdosed or had serious problems prior to April 21, 2016? You would think that all the people that worked closely with him and especially someone like KJ, who was his right hand man, so to speak, would know that Prince had a problem?

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I don't care how private a man Prince was, someone would have leaked the story of his pain pill dependency. And, if he was taking street drugs, dont you think he would have an arrest record for possession of illegal drugs prior to his death?

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People on social media want to label Prince as just another "junkie", but that person will never be me. I seriously doubt that Prince would take illegal street drugs, especially taking pills that are laced with other drugs.

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I still believe that (and this is my own opinion) Prince took those pills thinking they were legit pain pills and not counterfeit pills.

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And, do I think that KJ gave P those pills? Yes. I'm about 99.9% sure that KJ was supplying those pills to Prince.

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cloveringold85 said:

Agree...You summed it up Clover...

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Lovesymbol: I agree with you. Dr. Kornfeld and his med student Son, Andrew had a lot to do with Prince's death. If Prince was having a medical emergency, you don't send your Son, who is not a qualified doctor all the way from California with a backpack full of pills. So many laws were broken, yet they will get away with it.

Agree...You summed it up Clover...

Wait a minute… correct me if I’m wrong. Didn’t the scenario go something to the effect of; Someone from P's inner circle calls Kornfeld. The person from the inner circle called the situation a ‘grave medical emergency’. They are not doctors! How do they evaluate a grave medical emergency? In response, Dr Kornfeld, puts his son on the first red eye to MN, (in other words acts as quickly as he could). Andrew travels to MN and P has already passed before his plane even landed. It doesn’t matter what was in his backpack in the overall scheme of things with regards to P’s death. Now my question is, if Dr S saw P in the days before his death why didn’t he call it a medical emergency? Why didn’t Dr S, who supposedly saw P take any action?

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DD55 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

cloveringold85 said: Agree...You summed it up Clover...

Wait a minute… correct me if I’m wrong. Didn’t the scenario go something to the effect of; Someone from P's inner circle calls Kornfeld. The person from the inner circle called the situation a ‘grave medical emergency’. They are not doctors! How do they evaluate a grave medical emergency? In response, Dr Kornfeld, puts his son on the first red eye to MN, (in other words acts as quickly as he could). Andrew travels to MN and P has already passed before his plane even landed. It doesn’t matter what was in his backpack in the overall scheme of things with regards to P’s death. Now my question is, if Dr S saw P in the days before his death why didn’t he call it a medical emergency? Why didn’t Dr S, who supposedly saw P take any action?

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Yes that's true. Didn't Dr. S lose his job and started working somewhere else?

cloveringold85 said:

Thank you. Andrew actions were not that of a good sam. He did nothing but call 911. Nothing special about that and state laws do not trump federal laws. Many of which were broken. I doubt he will be charged because I not so sure anyone really cares.

PennyPurple said:

Dr.S has not broke any laws. I think he wrong for treating Prince in the first place since he has no background in addiction management. Common sense should have told him that writing a script for Kirk might mean it was really going to Prince seems unethical to me but I am sure he covered himself.

benni said:

Excellent points. I firmly believe he working on weening from these pills and managing until he got that bad batch and things started to go out of control. He told at least two people he still was not feeling well and had to go back to his doctor. He did not need to go see Dr. S to be told he was on drugs and the doctor did run test which I do not think would have been helpful for Andrew's drugs because Prince had taken more drugs the before. I think those test were going to tell different substances were in those pills he had been taking.

Has anyone read the recent article about Chazz Smith?

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Forgive me if it's already been posted here. I've been away for the past 4-months due to personal reasons.

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Anywho, I just don't know what to think anymore. This guy says a lot of conflicting things. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Chazz say after Prince's death that Prince had a problem and needed help? Now, he is seeking answers to Prince's death and thinks there is foul-play. (see link below).

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<p>http://www.fox9.com/news/248932945-story</p>

PennyPurple said:

Very good point, DD55. At the very least, he disregarded his Hippocratic Oath of "first, do no harm" by prescribing those oxy pills to Kirk knowing full well they were going to be used by Prince. He is backpedaling in a desperate attempt to preserve his career. Perhaps he sincerely believed he was acting in good faith but he had a duty to ensure that Prince received the best care possible. An argument could be made that HE failed Prince. Why is no one scrutinizing HIM?

DD55 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

cloveringold85 said: Agree...You summed it up Clover...

Wait a minute… correct me if I’m wrong. Didn’t the scenario go something to the effect of; Someone from P's inner circle calls Kornfeld. The person from the inner circle called the situation a ‘grave medical emergency’. They are not doctors! How do they evaluate a grave medical emergency? In response, Dr Kornfeld, puts his son on the first red eye to MN, (in other words acts as quickly as he could). Andrew travels to MN and P has already passed before his plane even landed. It doesn’t matter what was in his backpack in the overall scheme of things with regards to P’s death. Now my question is, if Dr S saw P in the days before his death why didn’t he call it a medical emergency? Why didn’t Dr S, who supposedly saw P take any action?

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You can't deny that Dr, K and Andrew played a part in Prince's untimely death. How can you not?

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The first thing that they did wrong (Prince's inner circle) was to call an addiction specialist in California, when there are dozens of well-qualified doctor's in the greater Minneapolis area.

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The second thing they did wrong was to send an unqualified person, such as Andrew (med student), who was not even treating Prince, nor has he ever met Prince before and neither has/did Dr, K. They both also broke the laws by carrying controlled substances across state lines without a license! That is only the beginning! Where is the accountability for their actions? Where?!

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So, Andrew calls 911; that's how he gets away with committing a crime. He probably called Daddy first and the father told him you better call 911 to get indemnity. Dr. K. knows the laws; therfore he knew what he was doing -- he's not stupid. He knew he was breaking several laws, but did it anyway -- and that is called premeditation. Dr. K. has a very bad reputation. Look him up. Many people claimed they almost died under his care. He's a whack job!!

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Furthermore, we do not have confirmation that Prince even knew about his little so-called "intervention" thing that his "inner circle" were scheming.

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Yes, Dr. S. prescribed Oxycontin the day before Prince's passing. I do not know how involved Dr. S. was in regards to getting proper treatment for Prince. But, it's obvious KJ knew what the hell was going on because he was picking up Rx's for Prince.

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cloveringold85 said:

DD55 said:

Wait a minute… correct me if I’m wrong. Didn’t the scenario go something to the effect of; Someone from P's inner circle calls Kornfeld. The person from the inner circle called the situation a ‘grave medical emergency’. They are not doctors! How do they evaluate a grave medical emergency? In response, Dr Kornfeld, puts his son on the first red eye to MN, (in other words acts as quickly as he could). Andrew travels to MN and P has already passed before his plane even landed. It doesn’t matter what was in his backpack in the overall scheme of things with regards to P’s death. Now my question is, if Dr S saw P in the days before his death why didn’t he call it a medical emergency? Why didn’t Dr S, who supposedly saw P take any action?

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You can't deny that Dr, K and Andrew played a part in Prince's untimely death. How can you not? The first thing that they did wrong (Prince's inner circle) was to call an addiction specialist in California, when there are dozens of well-qualified doctor's in the greater Minneapolis area. The second thing they did wrong was to send an unqualified person, such as Andrew (med studen), who was not even treating Prince, nor has he ever met Prince before and neither has/did Dr, K. They both also broke the laws by carrying controlled substances across state lines without a license! That is only the beginning!

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Yes, Dr. S. prescribed Oxycontin the day before Prince's passing. I do not know how involved Dr. S. was in regards to getting proper treatment for Prince. But, it's obvious KJ knew what the hell was going on because he was picking up Rx's for Prince.

No, they did not play a part. First, it is not Dr. K's fault the inner circle called someone out of state. Again, as I've said before, IF Prince were aware they were being called, you don't get treated in your home area (regardless of treatment facilities around). He felt safe in Chanhassen. This was his home. People saw him as Prince the neighbor, not Prince the rockstar. If he were treated close to home and people began to talk about it, he would not feel comfortable thinking they no longer saw him as Prince the neighbor, but would see him as Prince the rockstar with an addiction.

Second, it doesn't matter who they sent, the individual arrived too late and did not treat Prince. They did not make good choices in how to handle the situation but their choices had no bearing on what ultimately occured. And Andrew covered himself by stating the medication in his bag came from his own medicine cabinet, therefore, could be viewed as his own prescriptions. People are allowed to carry their medications across state lines.

Dr. K and his son just happened to be caught up with what ultimately occured by circumstance. They were not responsible and hold no responsibility for what happended.

NotACleverName said:

... We were discussing the warrants in order and we were at Andrews warrant..
I agree Dr S has a lot of ??? To jump ahead.. I find it strange the 2 times P saw Dr S Prince seemed to feel sick
..on the 7th (P then had to cancel the first Atlanta concert, when he rescheduled on the 14th Dr S wrote Kirk and I think P a prescription)
Then the last time was on the 20th...

Many unanswered questions.
As Clover said Dr K and Andrew broke the law .
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PennyPurple said:

DD55 said:

Wait a minute… correct me if I’m wrong. Didn’t the scenario go something to the effect of; Someone from P's inner circle calls Kornfeld. The person from the inner circle called the situation a ‘grave medical emergency’. They are not doctors! How do they evaluate a grave medical emergency? In response, Dr Kornfeld, puts his son on the first red eye to MN, (in other words acts as quickly as he could). Andrew travels to MN and P has already passed before his plane even landed. It doesn’t matter what was in his backpack in the overall scheme of things with regards to P’s death. Now my question is, if Dr S saw P in the days before his death why didn’t he call it a medical emergency? Why didn’t Dr S, who supposedly saw P take any action?

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Yes that's true. Didn't Dr. S lose his job and started working somewhere else?

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PennyP: Yes, I think you are correct. Dr. S. closed up shop and I have no idea what he's doing now or if he is practicing in another state. After what happened to Prince, I can imagine his reputation is now tarnished.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Yes that's true. Didn't Dr. S lose his job and started working somewhere else?

Dr.S has not broke any laws. I think he wrong for treating Prince in the first place since he has no background in addiction management. Common sense should have told him that writing a script for Kirk might mean it was really going to Prince seems unethical to me but I am sure he covered himself.

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No, Dr. K and Andrew did.

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Sorry if I gave that impression re: Dr. S.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Andrew told the 911 dispatch that Prince was not breathing, and said "I think he is dead".

Thank you. Andrew actions were not that of a good sam. He did nothing but call 911. Nothing special about that and state laws do not trump federal laws. Many of which were broken. I doubt he will be charged because I not so sure anyone really cares.

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Given what you said, perhaps Dr. K and Andrew can and will be prosecuted under Federal law, if not at the state level. Oh, I think a lot of people care. What Andrew and his doctor father did was wrong on so many levels.

benni said:

cloveringold85 said:

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You can't deny that Dr, K and Andrew played a part in Prince's untimely death. How can you not? The first thing that they did wrong (Prince's inner circle) was to call an addiction specialist in California, when there are dozens of well-qualified doctor's in the greater Minneapolis area. The second thing they did wrong was to send an unqualified person, such as Andrew (med studen), who was not even treating Prince, nor has he ever met Prince before and neither has/did Dr, K. They both also broke the laws by carrying controlled substances across state lines without a license! That is only the beginning!

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Yes, Dr. S. prescribed Oxycontin the day before Prince's passing. I do not know how involved Dr. S. was in regards to getting proper treatment for Prince. But, it's obvious KJ knew what the hell was going on because he was picking up Rx's for Prince.

No, they did not play a part. First, it is not Dr. K's fault the inner circle called someone out of state. Again, as I've said before, IF Prince were aware they were being called, you don't get treated in your home area (regardless of treatment facilities around). He felt safe in Chanhassen. This was his home. People saw him as Prince the neighbor, not Prince the rockstar. If he were treated close to home and people began to talk about it, he would not feel comfortable thinking they no longer saw him as Prince the neighbor, but would see him as Prince the rockstar with an addiction.

Second, it doesn't matter who they sent, the individual arrived too late and did not treat Prince. They did not make good choices in how to handle the situation but their choices had no bearing on what ultimately occured. And Andrew covered himself by stating the medication in his bag came from his own medicine cabinet, therefore, could be viewed as his own prescriptions. People are allowed to carry their medications across state lines.

Dr. K and his son just happened to be caught up with what ultimately occured by circumstance. They were not responsible and hold no responsibility for what happended.

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I respectfully disagree with you. Dr. K and his son both knew their actions were wrong. Dr. K could have said NO, I won't do this, but he went ahead and did it anyway. A doctor has every right to refuse to treat a patient. And, yes it was Prince's inner circle who are also at fault. They both are responsible.

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Case in point: I can hand you some heroin or other illegal drug, but does that mean you have to take it? Sorry if that sounds harsh, but I'm using that as an example to get my point across.

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Your answer to that question would hopefully be "No, of course I would not take the heroin if you gave it to me."

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It's like going to the plastic surgeon for the 50-100th time and the doctor says "No, you've had enough and I won't treat you".

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Simple as that.

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benni said:

A lot of what Andrew did was wrong... So wrong it makes him appear suspicious.
He could have showed up earlier than admitting and he could have brought just a few of those fake hydrocodone pills with him. He was the only thing that was new to PP and brought illegal meds even the warrant states a crime was committed.

We really don't know when he arrived at PP...this was his word and there were apparently no cameras on.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

NotACleverName said:

Very good point, DD55. At the very least, he disregarded his Hippocratic Oath of "first, do no harm" by prescribing those oxy pills to Kirk knowing full well they were going to be used by Prince. He is backpedaling in a desperate attempt to preserve his career. Perhaps he sincerely believed he was acting in good faith but he had a duty to ensure that Prince received the best care possible. An argument could be made that HE failed Prince. Why is no one scrutinizing HIM?

Dr S is just as responsible... We were discussing the warrants in order and we were at Andrews warrant.. I agree Dr S has a lot of ??? To jump ahead.. I find it strange the 2 times P saw Dr S Prince seemed to feel sick ..on the 7th (P then had to cancel the first Atlanta concert, when he rescheduled on the 14th Dr S wrote Kirk and I think P a prescription) Then the last time was on the 20th... Many unanswered questions.

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PurpleDiamonds1 said:

benni said:

No, they did not play a part. First, it is not Dr. K's fault the inner circle called someone out of state. Again, as I've said before, IF Prince were aware they were being called, you don't get treated in your home area (regardless of treatment facilities around). He felt safe in Chanhassen. This was his home. People saw him as Prince the neighbor, not Prince the rockstar. If he were treated close to home and people began to talk about it, he would not feel comfortable thinking they no longer saw him as Prince the neighbor, but would see him as Prince the rockstar with an addiction.

Second, it doesn't matter who they sent, the individual arrived too late and did not treat Prince. They did not make good choices in how to handle the situation but their choices had no bearing on what ultimately occured. And Andrew covered himself by stating the medication in his bag came from his own medicine cabinet, therefore, could be viewed as his own prescriptions. People are allowed to carry their medications across state lines.

Dr. K and his son just happened to be caught up with what ultimately occured by circumstance. They were not responsible and hold no responsibility for what happended.

A lot of what Andrew did was wrong... So wrong it makes him appear suspicious. He could have showed up earlier than admitting and he could have brought just a few of those fake hydrocodone pills with him. He was the only thing that was new to PP and brought illegal meds even the warrant states a crime was committed. We really don't know when he arrived at PP...this was his word and there were apparently no cameras on.

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