TopazGirl said:

--Like I said had Andrew been forced to use the drugs due to a life or death stituation I could see but Prince had been dead for hours and there is no way Andrew knew Prince was going to die and these life savings drugs were the only things that could help. It is absurd but I guess we know how the criminal justice system works.
[Edited 4/22/17 15:10pm]

cloveringold85 said:

Agreed. I remember someone saying they had to remind him to drink some water because he'd be so wrapped up in creating music

laurarichardson said:

Andrew was not a Good Samaritan ... Performing CPR would fit that not bringing illegal drugs across state lines that he had no business bringing because he is not a dr and he could not administer any meds.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

AGAIN Laura, not everybody has those side effects.

But many people do. Prince was a person just like anybody else but if you want to believe he popped a handful of pills for breakfast everyday for 20 years with no prescription go ahead and knock yourself out. I bet he pored Coke on his Captain Crunch and smoked a few joints everyday as well and none noticed.

Stop right there!! How in the world did you get out of my sentenance everything you said above? I did not say that. And AGAIN many people do not have those side effects.

NotACleverName said:

The warrants are informative
What Andrew was up to was just wrong...
I would not be surprised they held off on charging him for a reason, well have to just wait and see how this plays out.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

TopazGirl said:

There was a made up emergency situation...

sgthaggis said:

Exactly....any credible dr would have called 911 once told of a grave situation, not send his kid on a red eye, with a back pack full of pills oh and wait till 9 am to go see him.

disch said:

Do you know the key was not for PP?
And the suggestion of the key maybe being for PP was brining up something spotted on the warrant up for discussion.
That is what we are doing here...

zenarose said:

YES.....YES.....YES
Why they did not secure the science, get the warrant the determine what to do from there. There is no re-dos

zenarose said:

precioux said:

Hey Clover..I'm pretty sure PP was declared a crime scene on 5/6/16. I never understood this. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on the date

The link is below to the Star Tribune article with the search warrants. On the 4/21/16 search warrant, Paisley Park is referred to as a crime scene.

http://www.startribune.com/read-the-unsealed-prince-search-warrant-documents/419620263/

leec1 said:

If Im not mistaken the CC sheriff did not say that PP was considered a "crime scene" during the first news conference. That must have been determined after the fact. Again just because a search warrant is dated that doesn't mean it was granted and executed that day.

PeteSilas said:

is there any truth to the rumour of wolf blitzer reporting a shooting at PP? Is that true or just a conspiracy theory.

edit..dont want to go there

[Edited 4/22/17 18:22pm]

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

NotACleverName said:

Andrew Kornfeld arrived at PP with Kirk and Meron. Prob picked him up either from the airport or hotel. ST article here: http://www.startribune.co...0338131/#1 "Court records show that Andrew Kornfeld arrived at Paisley Park the morning of April 21. Sources have told the Star Tribune that he arrived with Kirk Johnson — Prince’s longtime friend, drummer and business associate - and Meron Burke, Prince's assistant." This article is incredibly informative.....might be worth a read as it may just answer some questions pondered in this thread.

The warrants are informative What Andrew was up to was just wrong... I would not be surprised they held off on charging him for a reason, well have to just wait and see how this plays out.

Of course, within the law he was wrong. Within the realm of those that summoned the Kornfelds and the Kornfelds reaction to the situation, somehow I feel that they all felt they were right because they were trying to help the man and keep it out of the public eye. The Kornfelds did not act alone. The entire situation of Andrew showing up the way he did and what he brought with him in his bag was an orchestrated measure initiated by Prince's inner circle to protect Prince's privacy. I don't think that whoever called the Kornfelds was too worried about whether or not they (the Kornfelds) acted lawfully. They probably just wanted them to help and to do so quickly.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

TopazGirl said:

I may be wrong, but I feel that the Good Samaritan Law will apply to Andrew because although those that found Prince may have felt/known he was already deceased, he had not been declared dead by any emergency responders (a legal declaration). Essentially, the 911 call was made to get help with an emergency situation. Andrew's presence there to begin with was a response to an emergency situation whether or not he was acting within the law. Just my thoughts.

There was a made up emergency situation...

Is this fact or opinion? I have not heard this before. Are you saying that they lied about Prince being in an emergency situation just to get the Kornfelds there? And if so, to what avail? Sorry if I misread your response; just trying to understand what you meant.

Here is some info on the good samaratin law:


"Does the law apply if the person dies from the overdose?

Yes. As long as the caller sought medical attention for the overdosing person in good faith-meaning the 911 call was placed when the person was alive- the caller will still receive immunity from possession charges."


But Andrew says on the 911 phone call prince is dead, so according to the law, nope



Here is something else:




"another legal technicality, regarding that 911 law, comes into play for why Andrew Kornfeld could be prosecuted. Under that law, the person who calls 911 does not get immunity if they receive or expect to receive compensation.

its unclear whether the Kornfeld father and son were going to get paid for this house call, but the father’s Recovery Without Walls clinic charges for its services, so it’s likely they expected to receive compensation at some point."

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Wow, clarity you write, thank you.

MMJas said:

Oh God this makes me so sad. Never thought of this either/ backwards clothes

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Search Warrant #1 requested on 4-21-16

Items taken into custody:

-15 Watson capsules number 852 found in 2nd floor dressing room.

-CVS Bottle under the name of Kirky said name Vitamin D2 containing 7 green capsules with #194

-8 orange oval pills located Mirror Room inside suitcase on 2nd floor.

-Bayer Bottle with 64 1/4 white pills with Watson 853

-CVS Bottle under the name of Kirky containing Ondasetron HCL 8 mg. Inside 10 white

pills inscription A-349, 8 mg. Inside 10 white round pills inscription A-349. I orange pill

with inscription #8 (?)

- Aleve bottle with 20 1/2 white pills Watson 853

-Recovery Without Walls pamphlet recovered from Purple Rain Room

-Item 1, 2, & 3 from Hennepin Co. Swab of neck left and right hand and neck. (?)

.

The police requested a search warrant to

-Process the crime scene

-Collect documents

-Collect all illicit narcotics

-Collect medications

-Collect paraphernalia

-Collect notes, and other documentation that could explain source of medication.

.

On 4-21-16 Sheriff's department was dispatched to a medical where a person

was not breathing. Deputy arrived on scene and located P and he was unresponsive

and was pronounced.

-Police were made aware by witnesses that P recently had a history of going through

withdrawal, which are believed to be a result of abuse of prescription medication.

-P's assistants arranged a meeting between P and medical professional to assess and

address P's medical concerns.

-The police asked the Judge for a search warrnat to process the scene surrounding

this unwitnessed death, and

- to collect all documentation that may include or describe information regarding Ps medical

condition, treatments, medical history, and prescriptions.

.

Sounds harsh.

Forgive me.

Lets discuss.

[Edited 4/20/17 7:21am]

The Vitamin D capsules are actually Vitamin D 50,000 unit capsules (ergocalciferol). These are given to people with a serious lack of vitamin D. You need Vitamin D for healthy bones.

The 15 Watson 852 tablets (not capsules) could be legit Tylenol #4 or something black market. It is hard to tell based on this description that isn't clear.

The Watson 853 tablets could be legit or black market Norco (hydrocodone/tylenol 10 mg/325 mg). These are still made and sold today from pharmacies, thousands every day.

The bottle labeled ondansetron had Percocet (oxycodone/tylenol 5 mg/325 mg) mixed with what appeared to be real ondanestron 8 mg (orange tablet). These medications are probably legit given they should be the same ones that came from CVS.

The Aleve bottle had what appeared to be Norco 10 mg again.

He didn't have hundreds of tablets. He had a total of 109.75 questionable pain tablets. Most poeple get 120 Norco tablets for a month supply.

I had always thought that the tablets appeared to favor old Lortabs but I was wrong. I am not sure about the "852" tablets but the "Watson 853" were either real or looked real and would have fooled anyone. The more that comes out, the more angry I am at the people around him. I think it should also be taken into consideration that some of the tablets were found halved and split even into quarters. This sounds more like someone trying to control what he was doing, someone using them more for pain control and not someone out of control and not caring.

I wish those around him would speak out about what was really wrong. Not what may have been or they think was wrong. Sheila mentioned his hips (so did someone else, Billy?) and I am glad they did. But, did he need a hip replacement? His dad was in his 80s and needed a walker but his mom was in a wheelchair in her 60s--then the Vitamin D--did he have severe osteoporosis? Due to his beliefs, a hip replacement would haver required either donor or his own blood. But, reports are he had anemia, and if so, he wouldn't have been able to donate to himself. Can someone confirm anemia? He wouldn't take donor blood due to his beliefs. Was he stuck in this painful situation he couldn't really get out of? That is what it seems like...

TopazGirl said:

Prince had no idea Dr K was coming to PP

TopazGirl said:

What the Kornfelds did was illegal...not helpful. Prince was seen out and about on the 20th and he was not gravely ill as Dr Ks attorney tried saying.
IMO if the hadn't showed up Prince may still be here today.again my opinion...

Okay, let's not forget Dr. S from MN, I know he's like vapor, but he was there too
right w/ blood result tests. When did he show up? With paper blood test results in his hands?
The Kornfield kid could have said 'I'm meeting Dr. S here too, and he would have administered'. If Dr. S backed that up/ saying yes we were here for an intervention/ 'Recovery Without Walls' spiel. And leaving the phamplet out in the open sure indicates they expected payment...
Lastly, the searching parties could have typically used the stairs to get to 2nd floor apartment, perhaps Prince only used it regularly- were the elevator doors closed/ he was not visible until seeking elevator.

gatorgirl said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Search Warrant #1 requested on 4-21-16

Items taken into custody:

-15 Watson capsules number 852 found in 2nd floor dressing room.

-CVS Bottle under the name of Kirky said name Vitamin D2 containing 7 green capsules with #194

-8 orange oval pills located Mirror Room inside suitcase on 2nd floor.

-Bayer Bottle with 64 1/4 white pills with Watson 853

-CVS Bottle under the name of Kirky containing Ondasetron HCL 8 mg. Inside 10 white

pills inscription A-349, 8 mg. Inside 10 white round pills inscription A-349. I orange pill

with inscription #8 (?)

- Aleve bottle with 20 1/2 white pills Watson 853

-Recovery Without Walls pamphlet recovered from Purple Rain Room

-Item 1, 2, & 3 from Hennepin Co. Swab of neck left and right hand and neck. (?)

.

The police requested a search warrant to

-Process the crime scene

-Collect documents

-Collect all illicit narcotics

-Collect medications

-Collect paraphernalia

-Collect notes, and other documentation that could explain source of medication.

.

On 4-21-16 Sheriff's department was dispatched to a medical where a person

was not breathing. Deputy arrived on scene and located P and he was unresponsive

and was pronounced.

-Police were made aware by witnesses that P recently had a history of going through

withdrawal, which are believed to be a result of abuse of prescription medication.

-P's assistants arranged a meeting between P and medical professional to assess and

address P's medical concerns.

-The police asked the Judge for a search warrnat to process the scene surrounding

this unwitnessed death, and

- to collect all documentation that may include or describe information regarding Ps medical

condition, treatments, medical history, and prescriptions.

.

Sounds harsh.

Forgive me.

Lets discuss.

[Edited 4/20/17 7:21am]

The Vitamin D capsules are actually Vitamin D 50,000 unit capsules (ergocalciferol). These are given to people with a serious lack of vitamin D. You need Vitamin D for healthy bones.

The 15 Watson 852 tablets (not capsules) could be legit Tylenol #4 or something black market. It is hard to tell based on this description that isn't clear.

The Watson 853 tablets could be legit or black market Norco (hydrocodone/tylenol 10 mg/325 mg). These are still made and sold today from pharmacies, thousands every day.

The bottle labeled ondansetron had Percocet (oxycodone/tylenol 5 mg/325 mg) mixed with what appeared to be real ondanestron 8 mg (orange tablet). These medications are probably legit given they should be the same ones that came from CVS.

The Aleve bottle had what appeared to be Norco 10 mg again.

He didn't have hundreds of tablets. He had a total of 109.75 questionable pain tablets. Most poeple get 120 Norco tablets for a month supply.

I had always thought that the tablets appeared to favor old Lortabs but I was wrong. I am not sure about the "852" tablets but the "Watson 853" were either real or looked real and would have fooled anyone. The more that comes out, the more angry I am at the people around him. I think it should also be taken into consideration that some of the tablets were found halved and split even into quarters. This sounds more like someone trying to control what he was doing, someone using them more for pain control and not someone out of control and not caring.

I wish those around him would speak out about what was really wrong. Not what may have been or they think was wrong. Sheila mentioned his hips (so did someone else, Billy?) and I am glad they did. But, did he need a hip replacement? His dad was in his 80s and needed a walker but his mom was in a wheelchair in her 60s--then the Vitamin D--did he have severe osteoporosis? Due to his beliefs, a hip replacement would haver required either donor or his own blood. But, reports are he had anemia, and if so, he wouldn't have been able to donate to himself. Can someone confirm anemia? He wouldn't take donor blood due to his beliefs. Was he stuck in this painful situation he couldn't really get out of? That is what it seems like...

Vitamin D deficiency can also arise from not getting enough sunshine (and if you're darker skinned, you need even more sunshine for the body to convert it to vitamin D). Remember, this is a man who actively shunned daylight hours and had done for most of his working life!

More on the Korns:




Stuart Gitlow, an addiction medicine expert speaking without direct knowledge of Prince's case, questioned whether Howard Kornfeld and his son acted appropriately.

"If a physician feels that a patient is having an emergency, his obligation is to call an ambulance and get the patient to emergency personnel who can assess the situation — not to fly to the patient," Gitlow said.

"It's not routine for doctors to fly across the country to start people on buprenorphine," said Gitlow, a former president of the American Society of Addiction Medicine and a faculty member of the University of Florida. "That's something that can be handled locally."

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

TopazGirl said:

Of course, within the law he was wrong. Within the realm of those that summoned the Kornfelds and the Kornfelds reaction to the situation, somehow I feel that they all felt they were right because they were trying to help the man and keep it out of the public eye. The Kornfelds did not act alone. The entire situation of Andrew showing up the way he did and what he brought with him in his bag was an orchestrated measure initiated by Prince's inner circle to protect Prince's privacy. I don't think that whoever called the Kornfelds was too worried about whether or not they (the Kornfelds) acted lawfully. They probably just wanted them to help and to do so quickly.

What the Kornfelds did was illegal...not helpful. Prince was seen out and about on the 20th and he was not gravely ill as Dr Ks attorney tried saying. IMO if the hadn't showed up Prince may still be here today.again my opinion...

What? The Kornfelds did nothing. If Andrew Kornfeld hadn't shown up, Prince would still be alive?

Prince passed before Andrew's plane even landed (6am). The Kornfelds have nothing to do with Prince's passing.

sgthaggis said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

NotACleverName said: Yes, they arrived at 9 a.m. I can not believe that someone did not check on him immediatly, even if the meeting was not happening at that moment, I simply do not believe they did not find him dead for 45 minutes. After they find him, They do not know what to do, Andrew says I will call my dad, his dad says don't do anything, his dad calls his attorney and then calls Andrew back and says Andrew calls 911, and tell the detectives I did not give you the drugs, then he has his attorney call the cops and say the good samaratin law applies. When Andrew & Co found prince dead, and Andrew has drugs on him, do think his first priority is to tell the truth about what happened or cover his ass and his daddy's ass

Why would he not call 911 first?

It is a long time,covering ass big time with the phone calls

Anyhow the pills in bottles,wrong labels nothing adds up.

I think it's just speculation that he didn't call 911 first.

PennyPurple said:

Dr kornfeld did everything wrong, he should have never been involved. When he was called and told prince was in grave condition, he should have said get him to the hospital now. He is compelled by his oath to call local people and due his,very best to get prince help, including calling the police for a wellness check. He should have implored princes people to do something right now, do not wait. Dr korn sending his uncredentialed son with a backpack full of narcotics is beyond irresponsible. I think the korns were hungry to have prince as a client, and rather than do what is best for the client they were doing what was best for their business, oh ya and it was illegal.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

PennyPurple said:

What? The Kornfelds did nothing. If Andrew Kornfeld hadn't shown up, Prince would still be alive?

Prince passed before Andrew's plane even landed (6am). The Kornfelds have nothing to do with Prince's passing.

Dr kornfeld did everything wrong, he should have never been involved. When he was called and told prince was in grave condition, he should have said get him to the hospital now. He is compelled by his oath to call local people and due his,very best to get prince help, including calling the police for a wellness check. He should have implored princes people to do something right now, do not wait. Dr korn sending his uncredentialed son with a backpack full of narcotics is beyond irresponsible. I think the korns were hungry to have prince as a client, and rather than do what is best for the client they were doing what was best for their business, oh ya and it was illegal.

Lets not get carried away here....

Even if Kornfield himself had caught that early Morning RED EYE, nothing would change what happened...

And P had some tests done on the 20th by Dr.S..How do you know that was not organised in co operation or at Kornfields bhest ?

Obviously some one knew about the Tests on the 20th....Some one took P to that doctor....Dr.S turned up at Paisley in the Morning...There was something in them ......Otherwise why would he show up at Paisley so early ?

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

More on the Korns: Stuart Gitlow, an addiction medicine expert speaking without direct knowledge of Prince's case, questioned whether Howard Kornfeld and his son acted appropriately. "If a physician feels that a patient is having an emergency, his obligation is to call an ambulance and get the patient to emergency personnel who can assess the situation — not to fly to the patient," Gitlow said. "It's not routine for doctors to fly across the country to start people on buprenorphine," said Gitlow, a former president of the American Society of Addiction Medicine and a faculty member of the University of Florida. "That's something that can be handled locally."

This is a substantial reason why Andrew Kornfeld flew to Prince is my understanding:

"Kornfeld notes, however, that buprenorphine can be a difficult medication to acquire in many parts of the U.S..

"Unfortunately, the timely care Prince may have needed, based on the medical examiner's report, has been difficult to obtain in Minnesota, and in many states in our nation," he wrote.

"According to the Minneapolis Star Tribune, there are 120 buprenorphine prescribers in [Minnesota], roughly 2.2 physicians certified to prescribe the drug, per 100,000 persons — not nearly enough."

Reference:

http://www.startribune.co...381832331/

Again, whether right or wrong, this is their reasoning.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

TopazGirl said:

Is this fact or opinion? I have not heard this before. Are you saying that they lied about Prince being in an emergency situation just to get the Kornfelds there? And if so, to what avail? Sorry if I misread your response; just trying to understand what you meant.

Prince had no idea Dr K was coming to PP

Yes, this could very well be. However, someone called the Kornfelds because Prince was in a dire situation. Given his earlier overdose on the plane, I feel this is a fair assumption.