NotACleverName said:

rogifan said:

Yeah because Duane is a credible source.

Well, I'm going to go out on a limb and say, yes....regarding this particular information, he was a "credible source". If you consider ALL the historical innuendos (in her book, Mayte contemplates where her "Vicodin are going"), cryptic messages (Manuela FB post hoping Prince does not suffer a "Charlie Sheen" type fate), blatant testimony (Lorna and Duane relaying concerns to lawyer(s)) and now the demise of Prince by an accidental Fentanyl overdose, it does not seem such a big leap of faith to realize that there was a problem, and had been, for some number of years. But, that's just me, connecting the dots.

I agree.

MMJas said:

2kittens said:

disch said:

One line in the warrant stood out to me: "Your affiant learned that Prince did not have a regular doctor and that his most recent contact before Dr. Schulenberg was various doctors his managers would set up for him before a show so that Prince could receive a ”812 injection” to "feel better” before performing for a show."

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To me, if it's true that he had no regular doctor besides Dr S, that wouldn't align with Prince being treated for cancer, epilepsy, severe joint pain or some other serious, chronic condition.

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Yes, I agree.

laurarichardson said:

LBrent said:

Um

Actually, Diazepamm is generic Valium. Alprazolam is generic Xanax.

Carry on.

--He was prescribed 3 aniexty meds. That seems like a lot to me. I hope one was for seizures.

Just as an aside: withdrawal can cause seizures.

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I know this because I run a health organisation for women with chronic conditions and a couple of them who had been on industrial strength pain-relief were (erroneously) told to just come straight off them, with no gradual weaning.

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The result was seizures (like epilepsy). Fortunately, both were able to access a hospital and were then monitored and put on a programme which enabled slow, steady reduction of the drugs. The point being that it is incredible how fast the body can become addicted to these meds, and just how powerful their effects can be. Tryling to stop cold turkey, with no medical supervision is a very bad idea.

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I mention this because P was described as having a 'recent history of withdrawals', AND it had been mentioned that his seizures were recommencing...It could be that his seizures at this late stage in life were actually initiated by drug withdrawal. We know he had an underlying epileptic condition; repeatedly going cold turkey might have reignited symptoms.

Utterly heartbroken at this. Not only the state he got into but also those around him who IMHO didn't try hard enough. Likewise the timing of this...on the 1st anniversary when we want to look back & celebrate his legacy has overshadowed so much. I know many who are going to MPLS this week who are going with heavy hearts now.

The paralells between MJ, Prince & Elvis are shocking...never in a million years did I think it would end like this.

Dibblekins said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Jill Jones already whacked Kirk on Twitter. She said he lied to her face.

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

Dibblekins said:

laurarichardson said:

LBrent said: --He was prescribed 3 aniexty meds. That seems like a lot to me. I hope one was for seizures.

Just as an aside: withdrawal can cause seizures.

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I know this because I run a health organisation for women with chronic conditions and a couple of them who had been on industrial strength pain-relief were (erroneously) told to just come straight off them, with no gradual weaning.

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The result was seizures (like epilepsy). Fortunately, both were able to access a hospital and were then monitored and put on a programme which enabled slow, steady reduction of the drugs. The point being that it is incredible how fast the body can become addicted to these meds, and just how powerful their effects can be. Tryling to stop cold turkey, with no medical supervision is a very bad idea.

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I mention this because P was described as having a 'recent history of withdrawals', AND it had been mentioned that his seizures were recommencing...It could be that his seizures at this late stage in life were actually initiated by drug withdrawal. We know he had an underlying epileptic condition; repeatedly going cold turkey might have reignited symptoms.

Very true and I agree.

1Sasha said:

Jill Jones already whacked Kirk on Twitter. She said he lied to her face.

Jill Jones said Kirk lied to her about what?

Dibblekins said:

laurarichardson said:

LBrent said: --He was prescribed 3 aniexty meds. That seems like a lot to me. I hope one was for seizures.

Just as an aside: withdrawal can cause seizures.

.

I know this because I run a health organisation for women with chronic conditions and a couple of them who had been on industrial strength pain-relief were (erroneously) told to just come straight off them, with no gradual weaning.

.

The result was seizures (like epilepsy). Fortunately, both were able to access a hospital and were then monitored and put on a programme which enabled slow, steady reduction of the drugs. The point being that it is incredible how fast the body can become addicted to these meds, and just how powerful their effects can be. Tryling to stop cold turkey, with no medical supervision is a very bad idea.

.
I mention this because P was described as having a 'recent history of withdrawals', AND it had been mentioned that his seizures were recommencing...It could be that his seizures at this late stage in life were actually initiated by drug withdrawal. We know he had an underlying epileptic condition; repeatedly going cold turkey might have reignited symptoms.

Where besides this forum has it been mentioned that he was having seizures again?

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

He had to had a regular doctor in order to have surgery. He also was in the hospital in 2014 and 2015 for treatment. Do you not think he had a doctor at that time and there was another doctor at Paisley Park the day he died.

He had a 65k in medical expenses that was not for having his stomach pumped in Moline. It was not for illegal drugs and the Rxs Dr.S wrote would not have cost 65k.

We don't know if it was messey accounting, creative accounting or simply a typo. Maybe there was another clinic he used to try to get off the meds. They say sometimes it takes several attempts before you succeed.

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LBrent said:

1Sasha said:

Jill Jones already whacked Kirk on Twitter. She said he lied to her face.

Jill Jones said Kirk lied to her about what?

She didn't say about what.

1Sasha said:

LBrent said:

Jill Jones said Kirk lied to her about what?

She didn't say about what.

Uh oh

That sounds cryptic.

moonsister said:

DD55 said:

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said: He had a 65k in medical expenses that was not for having his stomach pumped in Moline. It was not for illegal drugs and the Rxs Dr.S wrote would not have cost 65k.

We don't know if it was messey accounting, creative accounting or simply a typo. Maybe there was another clinic he used to try to get off the meds. They say sometimes it takes several attempts before you succeed.

[Edited 4/18/17 4:33am]

The inventory sheet is used for tax purposes it was not a typo. You either have medical bills or you do not. I have said from the beggining he was in the hospital for treatment according to the search warrants in 2014 and 2015. Could have been rehab or for something else but I doubt those visit would be listed on a form for taxes for the 2016.

Facts we know he had a bill for medical expenses and we know he was in the hospital twice in recent years for treatments. We know two of these drugs are used for cancer treatements and I find it odd that some who is suppose to be withdrawing from pain meds is being prescribed a pain med and nausea meds when a part of withdrawal is vomiting.

Also one of the chefs said in a Facebook post that they the chefs were lied to about his health.

PennyPurple said:

anangellooksdown said:

moonsister said:

But they were hidden in vitamin bottles, or Aleve bottles, etc. His staff may have had no idea what was there. As for delivery if the pills were ordered over the Internet? Maybe a PO box? Maybe they come hidden in oriental scarves? [Edited 4/17/17 18:55pm]

Alcoholics leave bottles hidden everywhere...even women, wives and mothers hide them in laundry (VERY common), drawers, bottom of the trash barrel under the bag, the barn, anywhere they go alone for a few minutes so they can take a good swig...some bottles turn up years after they've gotten sober.

The were in his personal living area so they were not actually hidden. He knew were they where and he lived by himself so who was he hiding them from?

Sounds like he had them in med cabinet and in his bags. Not a stituation were a pill factory was in Paisley Park.

Dibblekins said:

Laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

anangellooksdown said:

laurarichardson said:

The inventory sheet is used for tax purposes it was not a typo. You either have medical bills or you do not. I have said from the beggining he was in the hospital for treatment according to the search warrants in 2014 and 2015. Could have been rehab or for something else but I doubt those visit would be listed on a form for taxes for the 2016.

Facts we know he had a bill for medical expenses and we know he was in the hospital twice in recent years for treatments. We know two of these drugs are used for cancer treatements and I find it odd that some who is suppose to be withdrawing from pain meds is being prescribed a pain med and nausea meds when a part of withdrawal is vomiting.

Also one of the chefs said in a Facebook post that they the chefs were lied to about his health.

Laura... Is it possible he had another surgery either in 2014, 2015 or even 2016 that would cause him to need more meds and/or explain the high health bills? Also, good health care is a lot more expensive than we might realize. I'm trying to think of what could explain that much cost in 2016. He had a number of one-off shows, but there was time in there for surgery too. These days you're in and out quick.

It is possible that he was having additional surgeries. Remember according to Billy Sparks he had hip surgery not replacement. I know their is a procedure for removing cartilage in the joints for ongoing joint issues ( do not shoot me I am not a doctor but I know I read about this as a alternative to hip replacement)

I find the fact that he had a blood pressure mointor and an Rx for blood pressure meds interesting as he was so slender I am very surprised he had a problem with blood pressure unless the pain pills were causing a problem or just aniexty.

Found this link. Pain pills can cause blood pressure to spike. This could be what Dr K meant by gravely ill. I have a few relatives and friends have blood pressure problems that made them have a stroke. Sad

http://www.medicinenet.com/high_blood_pressure_everyday_pain_relief/views.htm

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anangellooksdown said:

laurarichardson said:

The were in his personal living area so they were not actually hidden. He knew were they where and he lived by himself so who was he hiding them from?

Sounds like he had them in med cabinet and in his bags. Not a stituation were a pill factory was in Paisley Park.

Are you saying they were hidden or they weren't? Anyway it seems to me if he had them in wrongly-marked bottles, that's hiding, and I think most of us including those who knew him even, accept he had a big problem that was really well-hidden. That's my opinion anyway.

Who were they hidden from? He lived by himself and of course they would be in wrongly marked bottles the Wastson 380 are no longer manufactured and he got them off the street somewhere. Do you think people who make fake pills are going to sell them to you with your name on a nice pharmacy bottle?

These pills were in his bags and in his personal living quarters they even said that some were in a medicine cabinet. They did not say pills were stuff under a couch or in a hidden compartment.

You need to read the warrent. I am kind of sorry the put out the infor because people are not going to read it but let the media tell them what it is saying.

laurarichardson said:

Kirk Johnson will be charged I guarentee you...

He lied multiple times, told Police he didn't know of any opiod addiction, yet he picked up multiple perscriptions for him under his name and alias names... As well as him being the one calling Dr. Andrew for an intervention...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvTgBKB8PPg

laurarichardson said:

anangellooksdown said:

laurarichardson said: Are you saying they were hidden or they weren't? Anyway it seems to me if he had them in wrongly-marked bottles, that's hiding, and I think most of us including those who knew him even, accept he had a big problem that was really well-hidden. That's my opinion anyway.

Who were they hidden from? He lived by himself and of course they would be in wrongly marked bottles the Wastson 380 are no longer manufactured and he got them off the street somewhere. Do you think people who make fake pills are going to sell them to you with your name on a nice pharmacy bottle?

These pills were in his bags and in his personal living quarters they even said that some were in a medicine cabinet. They did not say pills were stuff under a couch or in a hidden compartment.

You need to read the warrent. I am kind of sorry the put out the infor because people are not going to read it but let the media tell them what it is saying.

They were hidden Laura. The drugs were in Aleve bottles, Vitamin bottles. And his drug use was also hidden. They were hidden so well that the body guard didn't even know he was packing them for him. He thought he was packing aleve and vitamins.

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C'mon we aren't frickin stupid and we don't need the media to tell us anything.