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Percocet was also present, amongst the pills found - I think it was the red pills, A92, found in the vitamin D bottle. | |
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The fact of the matter is now it is very obvious that MANY knew Prince was not well. The question will be how many knew there was an addiction. Judith was on the plane and described talking to him and then he was out non responsive and it was the scariest thing she ever saw. Now question is, did she just learn of his problem then and there? Prince was doing a very good job hiding this if we are to believe that even KIRK did not know of an addiction or he is just plain stupid which could be, I get its a friend and he is suffering and he is powerful and money etc...but if that was the reason to enable him, than WOW I lost a lot of respect for many around PRINCE. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Genesia said:
Of course anything is possible, though I wasn't implying that she was lying. Also we don't know how different their stories were. Anyway if one of them was lying it seems more likely imo that it would be Kirk. Paisley Park is in your heart
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I think... someone correct me if I'm wrong. Oxy is a generic ingredient in Percocet which contains other ingredients. So, kinda the same thing basically. | |
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And just a quick FACT for all that I learned from that addiction DR i forget his name. BUT plain and simple by taking more PAIN meds Prince was not helping his pain, he actually was constantly developing an immunity to these medications, so basically popping a few of these pills was doing nothing which is why you go back for more something more powerful and the pain grows. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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No, BUT- he needs to get his 30 year enabling AZZ the f*ck out of PAISLEY PARK! That's for DAMN SURE! | |
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Some in this milk just ain't clean. At first I said well maybe this is just a simple case of him being out on pain meds and OD. But the more I think about it. Too many inconsistencies. The one that got me is this. You mean to tell me he's that out on pills down thru the years and yet is coherent enough to hide the effects of that heavy chyt? I don't know what that points to but I ain't buying it. We ain't with him none of the time but don't you think at some point in pictures or appearances he would have seemed impaired to somebody!?! I just can't wrap my head around that. |
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It seems like the biggest question some people here want answered is the source of the fentanyl that killed him. How would the full autopsy report help us know that?
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Percocet was also present, amongst the pills found - I think it was the red pills, A92, found in the vitamin D bottle. . But we are only talking about April 14th, when KJ got the prescription. This has nothing to do with bottles found at Paisley. . Pills were found spilled in that travel bag, and the last time he used it was Atlanta. Again, why a prescription if he already had them with him? . Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me. |
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NotACleverName said: rogifan said: Yeah because Duane is a credible source.  Well, I'm going to go out on a limb and say, yes....regarding this particular information, he was a "credible source". If you consider ALL the historical innuendos (in her book, Mayte contemplates where her "Vicodin are going"), cryptic messages (Manuela FB post hoping Prince does not suffer a "Charlie Sheen" type fate), blatant testimony (Lorna and Duane relaying concerns to lawyer(s)) and now the demise of Prince by an accidental Fentanyl overdose, it does not seem such a big leap of faith to realize that there was a problem, and had been, for some number of years. But, that's just me, connecting the dots. It does seem a logical conclusion. Too many dots to simply dismiss. At least the orgers who are of a different mind haven't started accusing the cops and media of being on a mission to paint him as "just another rock star druggie". Thank God that whole argument might finally be put to rest. And im not going to lie it feels a little good that the people who kept repeating thst argument were WRONG. It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN | |
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I think KJ was good in getting lawyered up. Sounds like he will ultimately do some time in the pokey. | |
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lastdecember said: And just a quick FACT for all that I learned from that addiction DR i forget his name. BUT plain and simple by taking more PAIN meds Prince was not helping his pain, he actually was constantly developing an immunity to these medications, so basically popping a few of these pills was doing nothing which is why you go back for more something more powerful and the pain grows. I know when I suffered a concussion late last year my head hurt so bad I would have done just about anything to make the pain go away. I can't even imagine what somebody who is suffering from chronic pain goes through ever day. There needs to be more research done on the entire subject of pain. I do think it's up to the medical and pharmaceutical industry to do more research on this subject Paisley Park is in your heart
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Something that I want to point out - and I'm not saying that she necessarily had anything to do with P's death, but ... - We can see that Prince's appearance started to change in that he got thinner and seemed to age faster than expected about 2 years before he died. I remember seeing him in July 2014 at the Essence festival and he seemed and performed like himself. However, by the end of 2014, I noticed a change in his appearance. Many orgers have commented that they notice the same changes. Today we find out that he and Judith started a relationship around the time that his appearance started to decline. So I wonder if investigators are checking her out more closely? It seems that they are focusing on Kirk, but based on the info that we have so far, they have not tied Kirk to any of the illegal Rxs. Personally, I think that JH's email and phone records need to be looked into. | |
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UK Daily mail now running this as front page http://www.dailymail.co.u...death.html said: Dibblekins said:
Percocet was also present, amongst the pills found - I think it was the red pills, A92, found in the vitamin D bottle. . But we are only talking about April 14th, when KJ got the prescription. This has nothing to do with bottles found at Paisley. . Pills were found spilled in that travel bag, and the last time he used it was Atlanta. Again, why a prescription if he already had them with him? . | |
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lastdecember said:
The fact of the matter is now it is very obvious that MANY knew Prince was not well. The question will be how many knew there was an addiction. Judith was on the plane and described talking to him and then he was out non responsive and it was the scariest thing she ever saw. Now question is, did she just learn of his problem then and there? Prince was doing a very good job hiding this if we are to believe that even KIRK did not know of an addiction or he is just plain stupid which could be, I get its a friend and he is suffering and he is powerful and money etc...but if that was the reason to enable him, than WOW I lost a lot of respect for many around PRINCE. . Judith was quoted as saying "He was trying so hard." She knew, but she'd also been around during at least one other detox so like others, thought he'd be OK. BUT ISN'T JUDITH THE ONE WHO GOT THE BALL ROLLING WITH KOENFIELD? . Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me. |
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disch said: It seems like the biggest question some people here want answered is the source of the fentanyl that killed him. How would the full autopsy report help us know that?
It wouldn't. It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN | |
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mrwiggles said: Some in this milk just ain't clean. At first I said well maybe this is just a simple case of him being out on pain meds and OD. But the more I think about it. Too many inconsistencies. The one that got me is this. You mean to tell me he's that out on pills down thru the years and yet is coherent enough to hide the effects of that heavy chyt? I don't know what that points to but I ain't buying it. We ain't with him none of the time but don't you think at some point in pictures or appearances he would have seemed impaired to somebody!?! I just can't wrap my head around that. . You develop tolerance. You don't need to be strung out. Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me. |
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He got it from someone, and If A doctor wrote that out under another name (KIRK) than why is he being given something that is prescribed to/for Cancer treatment, and effects of Chemo, pain from it etc... And if there was no Cancer why is he given it. Some say it is used for those having sleeping issues, but again you are prescribing to someone who is LOADED with Pain Medications and writing it out under another name, and you are giving him something that is 50 times more powerful than heroin and more addictive. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Ingela said:
I think KJ was good in getting lawyered up. Sounds like he will ultimately do some time in the pokey. Let's make this post a sticky and see if it actually comes true. I would put money on that it won't. No way would Kirk still be involved with PP if there was a good chance he was going to jail. Which begs a question...why aren't people upset with Tyka and Omarr for allowing him to still be involved? I know the Estate isn't completely settled but believe me if either one of them said Kirk isn't welcome there he wouldn't be there. Paisley Park is in your heart
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A suitcase next to his bed, containing those handwritten lyrics "U got the look". I find this very odd. Because he was in his own house, not staying with friends. (Maybe this is how he lived in Andre Cymone's house?) | |
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disch said: It seems like the biggest question some people here want answered is the source of the fentanyl that killed him. How would the full autopsy report help us know that?
. If this goes to trial, the autopsy may be unsealed. . But I don't think anyone hear wants to read a five hour autopsy. Start by watching Dr G to build yourself up. . Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me. |
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tmo1965 said: Something that I want to point out - and I'm not saying that she necessarily had anything to do with P's death, but ... - We can see that Prince's appearance started to change in that he got thinner and seemed to age faster than expected about 2 years before he died. I remember seeing him in July 2014 at the Essence festival and he seemed and performed like himself. However, by the end of 2014, I noticed a change in his appearance. Many orgers have commented that they notice the same changes. Today we find out that he and Judith started a relationship around the time that his appearance started to decline. So I wonder if investigators are checking her out more closely? It seems that they are focusing on Kirk, but based on the info that we have so far, they have not tied Kirk to any of the illegal Rxs. Personally, I think that JH's email and phone records need to be looked into. . Seriously? P was using these drugs long before 2014. . You don't remember Roger Friedman dropping it in 2009 that he was in severe pain and gulping pain pills by the handful? . Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me. |
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I don't recall if it was her that called him in, and I don't really fault her because I dont think she was around PRINCE much, I think Kirk was there a lot which is why I always say that PRINCE was "alone" and people bring up he parties and he has aftershows and gigs but that is a few hours a day if even, he did not have PEOPLE around him his circle was barely a circle. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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I've seen posts where people are saying "oh Kirk's in trouble now"! ....or how he's "going to be arrested soon". Thing is....this isn't new info. Just new to US. Cops have obviously known everything in those warrants since the beginning. And yet....Kirk still wasn't arrested. Even though this is an ongoing investigation, I have a feeling he will not be held liable for anything. If they had enough to get him with what those search warrants uncovered...they would have gotten him by now. So either 1) He's cooperating to the point that he can do them (the cops) more good than harm. And have told him that if he keeps up with the cooperation, they won't prosecute. 2) The only thing the really have him on according to what was released today, was his name on those bottles. And that's more fault of the doctor, and Prince, than it is on Kirk. So unless they can prove Kirk literally put the pills in Prince's mouth....they can't probably do much to him..yet. 3) Conflicting statements can keep the cops busy for years. He said/She said can go on forever. They may not have solid enough proof to arrest anyone yet. Believe it or not...I think the cops have bigger fish to fry than Kirk in this case. I have a feeling they want the source of where those (counterfit) pills came from.....cause Prince probably isn't the first person they killed.. | |
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lastdecember, this has been discussed so very many times here. - As for me, I have accepted that the fentanyl that killed him was contained in counterfeit black-market opioids that resembed other prescription opioids. That's what the search warrant alludes to, and that's in line with a national fentanyl crisis that has been well documented. (To summarize: drug dealers augment counterfeit opioids pills, and heroin, with fentanyl because it's a cheaper opioid -- but it's also very dangerous and can easily kill someone when it's manufactured and consumed in a non-regulated way, as happens with black-market drugs). - So THERE WAS NO PRESCRIPTION FOR FENTANYL -- not in Prince's name, not in anyone else name. He had consumed what he most likely thought were percocets, vicodins, whatever.
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lastdecember said:
I don't recall if it was her that called him in, and I don't really fault her because I dont think she was around PRINCE much, I think Kirk was there a lot which is why I always say that PRINCE was "alone" and people bring up he parties and he has aftershows and gigs but that is a few hours a day if even, he did not have PEOPLE around him his circle was barely a circle. . She lived at Paisley for two weeks every month. . Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me. |
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laytonian said: Dibblekins said:
Percocet was also present, amongst the pills found - I think it was the red pills, A92, found in the vitamin D bottle. . But we are only talking about April 14th, when KJ got the prescription. This has nothing to do with bottles found at Paisley. . Pills were found spilled in that travel bag, and the last time he used it was Atlanta. Again, why a prescription if he already had them with him? . I don't understand this part either. Why the need for illicit sources when he had the real deal already? It seems he had no shortage of meds so this part is confusing to me. It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN | |
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Not as to what happened "that morning" but conflicting and contradictory statements.
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Very true Precioux. And I beleive the family knew all of this (of course they did) and WTH would they let him continue to work there and be friends with him? | |
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sonshine said: laytonian said: . But we are only talking about April 14th, when KJ got the prescription. This has nothing to do with bottles found at Paisley. . Pills were found spilled in that travel bag, and the last time he used it was Atlanta. Again, why a prescription if he already had them with him? . I don't understand this part either. Why the need for illicit sources when he had the real deal already? It seems he had no shortage of meds so this part is confusing to me. Actually upon further consideration prince could have been ordering them himself online from china. And Kirk may not have even known this. Likely prince at some point panicked because he was running out of legit resources for his pills or he wasnt able to get as many as he wanted or as wuickly as he needed so he turned to other sources. Makes sense. It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN | |
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