Thanks to everybody that commented and listened and discussed Part 1 - if you didn't do so, check out the thread we made for that one here.

Part 2 is here! As with the first episode, it's Jamon (host of The MJCast), Paul Black, Samar (The Michael Jackson Academia Project), Charles Thomson, and myself and Kim Camilia of The Violet Reality.

The second part covers the following topics:

• Our personal experiences with Michael Jackson and Prince
• The deaths of Prince and Michael Jackson
• Artistic independence (challenging the industry)
• Cultural impact
• Michael and Prince as style/fashion icons

Listen on your phone, or online by clicking the image below!


Peace...

Casey Rain (Militant)

Thanks for another great discussion. I'm particularly happy to see the dedication you all have to making sure that there isn't a media spin (or other misinformation0 put on P's legacy in the years to come.

Loved both parts of this discussion, especially your excellent input, Militant. I thought it was a fair, well-rounded look at both of their careers with some great stories. I really appreciate the work that people like you are doing to protect and maintain Prince's legacy.

Good discussion. I of course wanted to jump in and go "YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT THAT" and "YEAH BUT CONSIDER THIS" etc. which is always the sign of a good podcast

Thanks it was very interesting discussion I too thought that This Is It Film was heavily edited when it was being promoted, and then during the AEG trial those who had said that "everything was fine" back in 2009, now admited that MJ was struggling during the rehearsals, and where is that so-called dress rehearsal run through footage?

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I've never quite understood why some people can't say the word Prince without immediately saying Michael Jackson and vice versa.

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I like Prince, I like Michael Jackson and many other artists.

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I really don't get the obsession of paring them off as a married couple.

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The music they produced was worlds apart. They were both very individual artists and should be respected as such.

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darkroman said:

I've never quite understood why some people can't say the word Prince without immediately saying Michael Jackson and vice versa.

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I like Prince, I like Michael Jackson and many other artists.

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I really don't get the obsession of paring them off as a married couple.

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The music they produced was worlds apart. They were both very individual artists and should be respected as such.

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darkroman said:

I've never quite understood why some people can't say the word Prince without immediately saying Michael Jackson and vice versa.

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I like Prince, I like Michael Jackson and many other artists.

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I really don't get the obsession of paring them off as a married couple.

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The music they produced was worlds apart. They were both very individual artists and should be respected as such.

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Amen, I hear that!! It's like they are the ONLY TWO artists in the history of music, that can be compared to one another, smh. I know they both reached megastar status druing the 80's but if some people would really take a deeper listen, they too would discover musically they were polar opposites.

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Missmusicluver72 said:

darkroman said:

I've never quite understood why some people can't say the word Prince without immediately saying Michael Jackson and vice versa.

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I like Prince, I like Michael Jackson and many other artists.

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I really don't get the obsession of paring them off as a married couple.

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The music they produced was worlds apart. They were both very individual artists and should be respected as such.

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Amen, I hear that!! It's like they are the ONLY TWO artists in the history of music, that can be compared to one another, smh. I know they both reached megastar status druing the 80's but if some people would really take a deeper listen, they too would discover musically they were polar opposites.

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This podcast doesn't pair them. It celebrates - and occasionally criticizes - their differences and similarities. It most certainly respects them as individual artists.

airth said:

Missmusicluver72 said:

Amen, I hear that!! It's like they are the ONLY TWO artists in the history of music, that can be compared to one another, smh. I know they both reached megastar status druing the 80's but if some people would really take a deeper listen, they too would discover musically they were polar opposites.

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This podcast doesn't pair them. It celebrates - and occasionally criticizes - their differences and similarities. It most certainly respects them as individual artists.

Ok. But this was coming from how some tend to do so in general.

Missmusicluver72 said:

airth said:

This podcast doesn't pair them. It celebrates - and occasionally criticizes - their differences and similarities. It most certainly respects them as individual artists.

Ok. But this was coming from how some tend to do so in general.

The first part of the podcast does kind of touch on this, coming down to their main early influences being very similar. But then they kind of veered of later with very different influences from other areas.

Listened to Part 1 - very enjoyable - thoughtful, erudite and intelligent - adjectives I wouldn't have attributed to MJ fans, my mind lazily tarnishing them as childish slaves to the religion of MJ. Just shows how wrong I was!!

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Looking forward to Part 2...Thank you.

Missmusicluver72 said:

airth said:

jcurley said:

A couple of notes as I listen.

I do think, if I read correctly, that Prince attended at least one of his parent's funeral, maybe perhaps not the other. I feel like it was John's that he didn't attend.

I don't buy into the idea that he was terminally ill (from what?) or that he knew he was going to die. There's no evidence of it. The introspection on AOA is something that Prince has touched on and glazed over before.

All that aside, it's nice to hear such big fans of P and MJ talk about them, and purposely not delve into who is better. But rather compare their lives, share their memories, and truthfully yet compassionately examine performances, etc.

Missed this one...

4You92 said:

jcurley said:

They have no similarities mj wanted fame. He was also frigging lazy n seemed indifferent ti music. He was a narcissist n actually not a very string talent. He was simply precocious

It's comments like this that make people not take Prince fans that seriously.

It goes both ways. I have heard some crazy comments coming from MJ fans when Prince's name is discussed too. I think most people on both sides are just tired of them being compared all the time.

Missmusicluver72 said:

4You92 said:

Missmusicluver72 said:

It goes both ways. I have heard some crazy comments coming from MJ fans when Prince's name is discussed too. I think most people on both sides are just tired of them being compared all the time.

I'm an equal fan of both, and I can guarantee I've heard way more snide remarks from Prince stans. Not MJ fans can appreciate Prince. I can't say the same for Prince stans, though there are a few. I can't tell you how many times I've watched Prince stans on YT and other places do the absolute most to make Mike seem like the average pop star,down to acting like the man didn't write most of his music. They refuse to appreciate Michael as the artist that he was. I don't care if someone prefers one over the other, but to sit and belittle another's achievements or deny the clear talent and ability of another artist is ridiculous and too many Prince fans engage in that behavior, especially with Michael.

I agree with you as I too am a fan of both, but I have heard some MJ stans, (who don't like Prince) do this also and are so quick to always point out "MJ was better, because he sold more records, is the King of Pop, and was more popular"), like that is the only reason like him when it isn't about record sales or popularity, it should just be about the music and how it moves you. Their music and artistry was as different as night and day IMO. However, as everyone has their faves, I just never get into the "fan wars" of any artist and I don't have to tear one down, just to enjoy the other.

Missmusicluver72 said:

4You92 said:

4You92 said:

jcurley said:

Mj didn't write his own music

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So... WHO do you believe wrote all the songs that he is credited for?

I listened to the first podcast and I'm glad I did. It made listen to the second one... and then the deflated pepsi logo one... which made me go hunting on youtube.

EDIT: The MJ stick is locked in the non-prince forum. Does anyone know the current status/availability of the "Last Photo Shoots" documentary?

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jcurley said:

Mj didn't write his own music....when it comes to these two the evidence speaks for itself

Bullshit.

jcurley said:

jcurley said:

4You92 said:

It's comments like this that make people not take Prince fans that seriously.

He's simply a pop star of believable talents. He was massively unprolific and was commercially obsessed. I wish to god MJ fans would just go to an MJ site. Seriously Prince n mj don't even occupy the same universe and anybody who thinks about their music would agree Most musicians take prince fans seriously.

MJ was just a jobbing singer for Quincy Jones.

He has no place on a Prince site, it sullys and stains Prince.org to see his name on a sticky.

Prince was one of the greatest the world will ever see. The most well rounded and a once in a lifetime artist, but it doesn't mean we have to diminish others, their talents,and their contributions to music.

Calling Michael "just a singer" or a "jobbing singer for Quincy Jones" (when Quincy willbe one of the first people to talk about how involved he was in the creative process, whether it was as a songwriter, producer, arranger or composer) doesn't do the man justice or his 40+ years as a performer

Michael wrote/co-wrote and coproduced many of his own songs. Quincy Jonesdidn't sit Michael Jackson down and say "Here Michael, this is the song, sing it!'

Yes, other songwriters submitted material, but Don't Stop Til You Get Enough, Working Day and Night, Billie Jean, Wanna Be Startin' Somethin',Beat It, I Just Can't Stop Loving You, Dirty Diana, Bad, The Way You Make Me Feel, Smooth Criminal and others were written by Michael. He wrote and/or produced for USA For Africa, Jennifer Holliday, Diana Ross, his sisters, Johnny Mathis ,Blackstreet, The Brothers Johnson, Carole Bayer Sager, J-Friends, and Ralph Tresvant.

Not every artist does EVERYTHING like Prince but we can't just dismiss someone or their talents for that very reason.

bboy87 said:

Prince was one of the greatest the world will ever see. The most well rounded and a once in a lifetime artist, but it doesn't mean we have to diminish others, their talents,and their contributions to music.

Calling Michael "just a singer" or a "jobbing singer for Quincy Jones" (when Quincy willbe one of the first people to talk about how involved he was in the creative process, whether it was as a songwriter, producer, arranger or composer) doesn't do the man justice or his 40+ years as a performer

Michael wrote/co-wrote and coproduced many of his own songs. Quincy Jonesdidn't sit Michael Jackson down and say "Here Michael, this is the song, sing it!'

Not every artist does EVERYTHING like Prince but we can't just dismiss someone or their talents for that very reason.

I agree. It's so juvenile to pit one great artist against another. You can not like someone, but to dismiss a lifetime of music is uneducated, at best. Imagine if someone dismissed Prince as just another R&B clone? People here would lose their shit.

I remember when MJ was working on BAD, and the point was made that he wanted to write or co-write all the songs on the record. From memory, the only non-MJ songs were "Man In The Mirror", which Siedah Garrett wrote with Glen Ballard, and "Just Good Friends". BAD was very insulated that way, whereas Dangerous was even more collaborative than Thriller or Off The Wall. MJ was who he was in the music world because of his talent - not because Q was tossing him songs like feeding a bird seeds.