TrivialPursuit said:

Imagine if someone dismissed Prince as just another R&B clone? People here would lose their shit.

bboy87 said:

But Don't Stop Til You Get Enough, Working Day and Night, Billie Jean, Wanna Be Startin' Somethin',Beat It, I Just Can't Stop Loving You, Dirty Diana, Bad, The Way You Make Me Feel, Smooth Criminal and others were written by Michael.

I wouldn't give a fuck if it was on an MJ site.

and Don't Stop and Wanna be Starting Something are the only decent songs there and both of them are good because of the music in the background, they are both good grooves basically.

RicoN said:

The enormous respect shared between both artists trumps any notion that they shouldn't ever be mentioned in the same conversation all day, imo.

scorp84 said:

LBrent said:

scorp84 said:

The enormous respect shared between both artists trumps any notion that they shouldn't ever be mentioned in the same conversation all day, imo.

I've heard that excuse given and stories of P being sad when MJ died but funny thing kiss I've never heard anyone say that MJ ever had anything nice to say about P. Ever. So I'm gonna have to say that I don't think MJ had "respect" for P. Please don't bother saying that MJ "had so much respect for P that he named his sons after him" cuz fans on both sides know that was far from the reason. LMAO

Mj obviously had respect for prince but it grew overtime. In the beginning he didnt care for prince and didnt like being compared to him. Towards the end of his life he would ask some people if they thought prince was better than he was. That alone shows he took notice and acknowledge prince as a talent and accomplished musican.

Prince on the other hand grew up with jackson 5 like everyone else and of course felt competivie with him in the 80s and after mj died its reported he locked himself in his room for a long time. And of couse he would play some of his music in his latter career.

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LBrent said:

scorp84 said:

The enormous respect shared between both artists trumps any notion that they shouldn't ever be mentioned in the same conversation all day, imo.

I've heard that excuse given and stories of P being sad when MJ died but funny thing kiss I've never heard anyone say that MJ ever had anything nice to say about P. Ever. So I'm gonna have to say that I don't think MJ had "respect" for P. Please don't bother saying that MJ "had so much respect for P that he named his sons after him" cuz fans on both sides know that was far from the reason. LMAO

Because Michael never spoke about Prince publicly except for brief passing mentions once or twice. Interviewers never asked him about P. In fact, he was rarely asked about other artists now that I think about it.....

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heathilly said:

bboy87 said:

4You92 said:

Muscians who play/play live get more credit as musicians. It's just a fact.

Prince fans place a huge amount of value on the fact he played and wrote everything himself. Prince could go into a studio with a song in his head and come out a few hours later with a song on tape.

MJ couldn't do that. He wasn't really a musician himself. He needed someone to translate his ideas.

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Noodled24 said:

^ With Prince, the nuances in the music came from his fingers.

They were both geniuses.

Noodled24 said:

4You92 said:

Noodled24 said:

Muscians who play/play live get more credit as musicians. It's just a fact.

Prince fans place a huge amount of value on the fact he played and wrote everything himself. Prince could go into a studio with a song in his head and come out a few hours later with a song on tape.

MJ couldn't do that. He wasn't really a musician himself. He needed someone to translate his ideas.

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That's only if you look at the smallest definition of a musician,and people love to be hold on to it.

No, it's using the definition of musician as someone who plays an instrument.

I personally could care less if he could pluck a string. What important is the music, not how it was produced.

So you'd put the Spice Girls on the same level an MJ?

And guess who wrote, composed and arranged most of his music? He did.

Is there any proof of this? Every MJ song has multiple people involved. Explain to me how MJ could compose a guitar solo if he couldn't actually play the guitar?

For that alone, he is a genius because he has some of the greatest and memorable songs in music history, and he did that without having to pluck a string. Mike is no lesser because he couldn't do that to the proficiency of Prince, and that's a very foolish argument considering Prince with all the technical prowess wasn't very good at quality control. They are both on epic levels of greatness,and that will be respected. Sorry. [Edited 11/5/16 2:04am]

Prince isn't the benchmark. But if MJ had at any point in his 50 year career picked up an instument and played it, his credibility would have gone through the roof. As it stands the dude didn't even enjoy playing live. He had to be forced.

Noodled24 said:

4You92 said:

I never understand why people are insistent on comparing Prince and Michael Jackson.

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In fact I hate it and I wish it would stop!

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Recently I reviewed ALL Michael Jackson material - the entire anthology! I started with a review of the first early recordings before the Jackson 5 were discovered and then I worked from their first single Big Boy in 1968, through The Jackson, soundtracks, live shows and compilations to MJ's postumous releases, including leaked unreleased tracks

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It's without doubt Michael made such a phenomenal impact on music and the world. When you listen to tracks from his childhood, his natural talent and charisma is breathtaking.

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His commitment to solving world issues proved him to be a formidable philanthropist.

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I truly belive he genuinely cared and that he was and is such a very special person.

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So.... Prince and MJ are in different leagues. Both talented in very different ways. In fact, I can't think of any parallels as they are so different - however early MJ homemade demos show him to be just a musically gifted as Prince.

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Please stop comparing the two, there is no need!!!

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darkroman said:

darkroman said:

I never understand why people are insistent on comparing Prince and Michael Jackson.

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In fact I hate it and I wish it would stop!

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Recently I reviewed ALL Michael Jackson material - the entire anthology! I started with a review of the first early recordings before the Jackson 5 were discovered and then I worked from their first single Big Boy in 1968, through The Jackson, soundtracks, live shows and compilations to MJ's postumous releases, including leaked unreleased tracks

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It's without doubt Michael made such a phenomenal impact on music and the world. When you listen to tracks from his childhood, his natural talent and charisma is breathtaking.

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His commitment to solving world issues proved him to be a formidable philanthropist.

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I truly belive he genuinely cared and that he was and is such a very special person.

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So.... Prince and MJ are in different leagues. Both talented in very different ways. In fact, I can't think of any parallels as they are so different - however early MJ homemade demos show him to be just a musically gifted as Prince.

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Please stop comparing the two, there is no need!!!

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dont know why I love you stevie wonder cover gives me chills. Absolute prodigy child.

paisleyparkgirl said:

They were both geniuses.

paisleyparkgirl said:

LBrent said:

paisleyparkgirl said:

They were both geniuses.

Well, you're half correct.

yea prince was hardworking craftmen mj was divinely gifted a true rare genius.

LBrent said:

darkroman said:

I've never quite understood why some people can't say the word Prince without immediately saying Michael Jackson and vice versa.

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I like Prince, I like Michael Jackson and many other artists.

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I really don't get the obsession of paring them off as a married couple.

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The music they produced was worlds apart. They were both very individual artists and should be respected as such.

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Yes! That's the only reason I haven't listened yet..

4You92 said:

Noodled24 said:

Prince isn't the benchmark. But if MJ had at any point in his 50 year career picked up an instument and played it, his credibility would have gone through the roof. As it stands the dude didn't even enjoy playing live. He had to be forced.

3. You clearly are dense. There are the demos of tons of Mike's music where you can hear him recording the songs in his home studio. The engineer for the Jackson's Triumph album said that Michael was a genius producer (Michael was the main producer for the entire album by the way). Steve Pocaro of Toto stated that he personally witnessed Mike orchestrating a full on string section using his voice. All the engineers that worked with Mike, Quincy, everyone else who ever worked with Mike have all stated they had never seen anything like it, the way that Mike composed music. This information is readily available. Speaking of which, many people have stated that they should have gotten more credit for Prince's music, including Wendy and Lisa. It's also been stated that Prince got many ideas from his jam sessions with others.

Every artist has demos, are there specific examples of him working on a song?

Everything with the exception of 1 song on Triumph is co-written. The examples of him being listed as sole producer are few and far between. If he was this genius producer then why is so little of his catalog self-produced?

About the orchestra - what you're saying is MJ would sing something and they'd play it? I can believe that. But are you suggesting he composed entire albums like that? Because we know he didn't, There are plenty of songs with multiple writers & producers.

4. Taken more seriously by whom? Music snobs who can't see artistic ability and musicianship past an instrument? That's their problem, not his. He made it to the top without having to do any of that.

He was able to make music without actually having to make any music? That's what I mean about taken seriously. He definitely was involved in the making of his albums, but so were a lot of other people.

And kill me with the talk about being forced. Michael perform when he wanted to. I don't blame him for getting tired after a while. The man had been on stage his entire life performing before millions.He deserved to be tired, especially being ill.

Allegations of MJ being thrown up against a wall because he didn't want to perform? He wasn't keen on the Dangerous tour, and History was financial.

heathilly said:

LBrent said:

heathilly said:

yea prince was hardworking craftmen mj was divinely gifted a true rare genius.

"There's no accounting for taste", said the old lady as she kissed the cow.

Taste is subjective. But some people lights just shine brighter than others. Prince was a hardworker. Mj was clearly gifted from a young age.

Michael was a child prodigy, Prince was not. Both still geniuses though. To be fair, I think Prince is probably the only genius that was not a child prodigy.

heathilly said:

mjscarousal said: