heathilly said:

blacknote said:

Muthafunka, what??? Prince made music designed to shake your ass, have sex, get high, fight, rebel, get the Holy Ghost, and instigate socially conscious discussions. You do not have to be an “elitist” to be “for” P’s music. He encouraged those of elitist mindsets to get the sticks out of their backsides and party with those of different tastes. Even lower tastes. If you didn’t “qualify”, it made no difference to him, just party. If you were “sophisticated”…..so what…..just party. If you didn't know the difference between a snare drum and a tamborine, just party. The man's music was not discriminatory or restricted to a certain audience.

That's what I was saying for him to so elitist about prince. Prince music majority of the subject matter wasn't very high brow and prince overall wasn't that deep or radical. His transition was like a hoe in his younger days to church mouse reciting bible passages in his older days. What is so complex and ungraspable about that for the common folk? Or was he just a high brand of low brow?

Sooooo, lemme see if I have this correct:

You feel that P wasn't particularly a genius, talented, not a prodigy, not deep or radical, not nuanced, not...well, you get the idea...But MJ was?

And you choose to say this...at a website named after and designed specifically for P fans to enjoy appreciating P?

Uh huh...

Wow. Butt hurt much?

heathilly said:

blacknote said:

Muthafunka, what??? Prince made music designed to shake your ass, have sex, get high, fight, rebel, get the Holy Ghost, and instigate socially conscious discussions. You do not have to be an “elitist” to be “for” P’s music. He encouraged those of elitist mindsets to get the sticks out of their backsides and party with those of different tastes. Even lower tastes. If you didn’t “qualify”, it made no difference to him, just party. If you were “sophisticated”…..so what…..just party. If you didn't know the difference between a snare drum and a tamborine, just party. The man's music was not discriminatory or restricted to a certain audience.

That's what I was saying for him to so elitist about prince. Prince music majority of the subject matter wasn't very high brow and prince overall wasn't that deep or radical. His transition was like a hoe in his younger days to church mouse reciting bible passages in his older days. What is so complex and ungraspable about that for the common folk? Or was he just a high brand of low brow?

I just don't think Prince intended to cater to those with caviar tastes when he was performing in black bikini bottoms with sweat and pubic hair flying all over the audience. Whether you ate KFC or boiled eel feces, all were welcome to the party. Oh, well.....

heathilly said:

LBrent said:

Sooooo, lemme see if I have this correct:

You feel that P wasn't particularly a genius, talented, not a prodigy, not deep or radical, not nuanced, not...well, you get the idea...But MJ was?

And you choose to say this...at a website named after and designed specifically for P fans to enjoy appreciating P?

Uh huh...

Wow. Butt hurt much?

This is my complete unbiased view. Prince is a genius he was talented he could be deep sometimes but majority of his work is not in my opinion and that's not a bad thing. Prince wasn't a prodigy. His work is nuanced and he dressed as a straight man more radical than his actual music sounded which was much more in the tradition of sly stone James brown tower of power at his core and stuck close to tradition when chose to work any other genres of course there's exceptions like when doves cry. What I find ridiculous is some prince fans exalt him to an untouchable genius whose lyrics were shakesphere and composition was Beethoven. That's my opinion.

I'm with you, but the same happens with Michael Jackson's fans in his forum it's exactly the same.

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4You92 said:

Once again stop. He could create chords. Someone can do that can write music, knowing what sounds he wants,what instruments he wants for the sound.

Why not just make the whole album alone then?

No one said Mike sat down and proficiently played music on an instrument. But he could play a bit of piano and drums enough for his purposes. To act like this isn't the case flys against anything anyone who ever worked with him stated. Also, they way he was able to convey music to those who played instruments negates any reason to act like Mike couldn't write his own music. Once again, you are stuck on the mindset of instruments only.

The difference between the demos and the final Quincy/Riley productions is immense.

Honestly, when talking to fans of ANY other artist. None of them would claim that when it comes to music.. the music isn't important.

Again, Rob Hoffman's words: “One morning MJ came in with a new song he had written overnight. We called in a guitar player, and Michael sang every note of every chord to him. “’Here’s the first chord, first note, second note, third note. Here’s the second chord first note, second note, third note’, etc etc. We then witnessed him giving the most heartfelt and profound vocal performance, live in the control room through an SM57,” says Hoffman. “He would sing us an entire string arrangement, every part. Steve Porcaro once told me he witnessed MJ doing that with the string section in the room. Had it all in his head, harmony and everything. Not just little eight bar loop ideas. He would actually sing the entire arrangement into a micro-cassette recorder complete with stops and fills.”

Which song? Without knowing that, this is all hyperbole.

Why hire a guitarist who couldn't play the chords by name?

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Noodled24 said:

^ MJ didn't play an instrument, Motzart did nothing but.

He did play instruments but he wasnt very skilled at them. Of course theres difference amongst the two. But overall you put to much importance on the abilty to play something instead of the final product. The genius paints a beautiful picture the idiot criticizes him for using his fingers instead of a paint brush.

heathilly said:

heathilly said:

Noodled24 said:

I'm not the one going off on a rant about designing chairs, and It's not albout belief. It's facts.

How dense are you? I gave the chair analogy to give an example that playing an instrument is a skill like craftsmanship. But the designers or songwriter/composer is the genius.

OK. Ideally you'd just do it yourself right? because who could meet your specs like you? But if you can't do it yourself you just hire any old craftsman because their process of making the item doesn't matter does it? Except oh wait. It obviously does.

Playing an instrument is not required to make great music what is,is creativity and vision and having a plan.

If you're Simon Cowell.

heathilly said:

Noodled24 said:

LBrent said: