namepeace said:

IstenSzek said:

i think people kind of come to this conclusion because warners has never issued any material from the gold experience after it's initial run.

you'd think they stick TMBGITW on the new comp, wouldn't you? they even named it in the press release

so neither this song or any other song from it being included in previous and now on this release, would lead to the logical conclusion that they cannot use those tracks.

so not total bull, just the most logical explanation given the facts we have.

IIRC, Prince released "TMBGITW" independently, a year before TGE was officially released. Without "TMBGITW," other than " Hate U," TGE is of little commerical value to WB. So, if they don't have the rights to "TMBGITW," then even if they didn't have rights to TGE, it stands to reason you won't see any of that material in any compilations.

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Sigh... Hint: take out your copy of TGE and check out if TMBGITW is on there.

BartVanHemelen said:

namepeace said:

So, if they don't have the rights to "TMBGITW," then even if they didn't have rights to TGE, it stands to reason you won't see any of that material in any compilations.

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Sigh... Hint: take out your copy of TGE and check out if TMBGITW is on there.

See this page on princevault.... Much easier than digging up the songlist.

Prince's days of chart success were mainly pre-93 anyway. After 93, and not including the 1999 reissue, he only had three top 40 singles in the US - TMBGITW, Letitgo (both in 94) and I Hate U (in 95). The UK had those, plus Gold, Dinner With Delores, Betcha By Golly Wow and The Holy River. None of them exactly set the world on fire. Prince's best days were definitely pre-93.

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jaawwnn said:

aha, I understand what you mean now by balanced! Ok, that's a fair point. I do think there are omissions and inclusions that are mistakes and make me very dubious as to how much thought went into it but your point is well made

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Yeah, I think it's not absolutely perfect or anything, but I'm generally pleased with it. Of course, I would love a 3 or 4 or 5 disc set, but I'm not sure the public would stomach it. With only a 2-disc set, they have to make some tough decisions like leaving off songs such as "Dirty Mind", "Do Me, Baby", "America", "Anotherloverholenyohead", "Money Don't Matter 2 Night", etc.

Lianachan said:

Prince's days of chart success were mainly pre-93 anyway. After 93, and not including the 1999 reissue, he only had three top 40 singles in the US - TMBGITW, Letitgo (both in 94) and I Hate U (in 95). The UK had those, plus Gold, Dinner With Delores, Betcha By Golly Wow and The Holy River. None of them exactly set the world on fire. Prince's best days were definitely pre-93.

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The non-Europeans here do not seem to have a good grasp on how much TMBGITW got played in the radio and music video channels in the 90s in Europe. It came on MTV every few hours for months after it was released. They were still playing it regularly when Emancipation was released. I'm sure more people recognize it as a Prince song than Little Red Corvette.

It definitely was a big hit, but it also had a lot of people reacting negatively to it. What Prince was wearing in the video got a lot of people riled up. I remember also how the use of falsetto vocals was very unusual for a song appearing on the airwaves during that period as well.

Also:

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Why just a simple rehash of the old hits on CD?

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Why not (also) a nice Blu-Ray of them videos?

Give it time. This isn't the definitive statement on Prince, it's a stocking filler.

So what Moonbeam Levles is way different? Not a new recording but singficatly different. He said not too long ago that many of the bootleged song are not finished! And as clear as it is (comparing it to how it was back in the 80s bootlegs to the ones now) there are elements that seem wrong to me...

But my big question is my budget is pretty tight for the next year or so... will I pay out the decent price of $17 for one song and what must be the single versions of these songs?

Also they made some odd decisions... they have many but not all singles. and one was not a single in the US one was an A-side overseas but a B-side here...

udo said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Sigh... Hint: take out your copy of TGE and check out if TMBGITW is on there.

See this page on princevault.... Much easier than digging up the songlist.

Would Warner have to use the less well-known version from TGE? Would that have affected their thinking.

If they've had the right to include it, it seems bizarre that they wouldn't include one of his biggest hits.

BartVanHemelen said:

namepeace said:

IIRC, Prince released "TMBGITW" independently, a year before TGE was officially released. Without "TMBGITW," other than " Hate U," TGE is of little commerical value to WB. So, if they don't have the rights to "TMBGITW," then even if they didn't have rights to TGE, it stands to reason you won't see any of that material in any compilations.

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Sigh... Hint: take out your copy of TGE and check out if TMBGITW is on there.

Stay classy as always, and keep adding to the dialogue, BVH.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

So what Moonbeam Levles is way different? Not a new recording but singficatly different. He said not too long ago that many of the bootleged song are not finished! And as clear as it is (comparing it to how it was back in the 80s bootlegs to the ones now) there are elements that seem wrong to me...

But my big question is my budget is pretty tight for the next year or so... will I pay out the decent price of $17 for one song and what must be the single versions of these songs?

Also they made some odd decisions... they have many but not all singles. and one was not a single in the US one was an A-side overseas but a B-side here...

For me, it makes no difference if Moonbeam Levels is the version we know from bootlegs or if it is an updated, "finished" version. Honestly, I know I'm in the minority here, but I've always found the track to be highly over-rated. I disagree with those that say ML should have replaced Free on 1999, I prefer Free any day of the week. I agree with Prince's decision to not include ML on 1999 as it just doesn't fit with the rest of the album. At best it would have made a decent b-side.

As for this being the only new song to accompany this compilation, not only do I think it's not the best choice but quite frankly I find it to be a rather morbid addition, considering the lyrics.

I'll still pick the set up to keep my collection complete and to do my part to support the continuation of posthumous releases. But I consider this one a poorly concieved, unnecessary release. It won't even be the best compilation available, so, there is really no point to it. Bring on the PR release, not for the remastering but for the 2nd disc. Though, if disc 2 of PR doesn't live up to the hype I'll have to reconsider this whole "complete collection" obsession.

Just sayin'...

can anyone 2 explain me the meaning of Moonbeam Levels???....whos does he want to send him moonbeam levels??

Deluxe editions with a single bonus disc are fine for ordinary artists, but not Prince.

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I've said before, making products for the serious Prince collectors will bring in the most money for the estate. Super Deluxe limited edition lavish box sets with multiple bonus discs, videos, picture/essay books, etc.

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I really hope they spend some quality thought putting those together. And yes, a box set for each album, especially from For You through Lovesexy. If they limit the production numbers, they will sell 'em all and make good money to help fund/support P's legacy.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Glad 2 see Take me with u on there. Does any 1 know the track list 4 Purple Rain deluxe edition?

jungleluv said:

Glad 2 see Take me with u on there. Does any 1 know the track list 4 Purple Rain deluxe edition?

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I guess we know the tracklist for disc 1...

jungleluv said:

Glad 2 see Take me with u on there. Does any 1 know the track list 4 Purple Rain deluxe edition?

hope it has 4 the Tears In Your Eye's, God Vocal plus Instrumental and Another Lonely Christmas

I ordered off amazon for $17

I am not going to open it. I will get moonbeam levels some other way

purpleaslan said:

jungleluv said:

Glad 2 see Take me with u on there. Does any 1 know the track list 4 Purple Rain deluxe edition?

hope it has 4 the Tears In Your Eye's, God Vocal plus Instrumental and Another Lonely Christmas

Whatever it has I expect many complaints because 1 CD is not enough to cover everyone's alternate "must have" lists.

love2thenines2003 said:

1. Let's Go Crazy [Long Dance Version] (7:47)

2. Jungle Love [LP Version] (5:29)

3. Take Me With U (3:54)

4. (I Want 2 B A) Modernaire (4:02)

5. Possessed/The Beautiful Ones [Unreleased Extended Mix] (7:04)

6. Computer Blue [Unreleased] (7:28)

7. Darling Nikki [Uncut Mix] (4:48)

8. When Doves Cry [LP Version] (5:54)

9. Sex Shooter [12" Mix] (6:50)

10. The Bird [Uncensored Mix] (6:38)

11. Purple Rain [w/introduction] (8:59)

12. I Would Die 4 U/Baby I'm A Star [Movie Mix] (7:12)

Perhaps the logic of this release is to expand the audience since Prince's passing. If a larger market can be obtained with this release and generate more interest in Prince's music, I am cool with it. The 1 unreleased track could be used as a teaser for those who are not fully aware of the vast bootleg tracks out there.

The PR release could be the middle ground for the masses and faithful followers. Pure speculation of course. We the faithful get more unreleased tracks and the masses get remastered stuff with another look into the Vault. Hopefully, this will generate more interest in Prince's catalogue and Vault material.

Prince's sales and appeal was limited in my opinion. Who knows on the behind the doors legalities in getting material released.

I am hoping that these 2 releases are test runs, so to speak, in trying to market Prince's music and maintain his legacy.

HerecomethePurpleYoda said:

1. Let's Go Crazy [Long Dance Version] (7:47)

2. Jungle Love [LP Version] (5:29)

3. Take Me With U (3:54)

4. (I Want 2 B A) Modernaire (4:02)

5. Possessed/The Beautiful Ones [Unreleased Extended Mix] (7:04)

6. Computer Blue [Unreleased] (7:28)

7. Darling Nikki [Uncut Mix] (4:48)

8. When Doves Cry [LP Version] (5:54)

9. Sex Shooter [12" Mix] (6:50)

10. The Bird [Uncensored Mix] (6:38)

11. Purple Rain [w/introduction] (8:59)

12. I Would Die 4 U/Baby I'm A Star [Movie Mix] (7:12)

No. Too much is readily available already...

Why waste space with easy to get elsewhere tracks like Jungle Love LP version?

HerecomethePurpleYoda said:

1. Let's Go Crazy [Long Dance Version] (7:47)

2. Jungle Love [LP Version] (5:29)

3. Take Me With U (3:54)

4. (I Want 2 B A) Modernaire (4:02)

5. Possessed/The Beautiful Ones [Unreleased Extended Mix] (7:04)

6. Computer Blue [Unreleased] (7:28)

7. Darling Nikki [Uncut Mix] (4:48)

8. When Doves Cry [LP Version] (5:54)

9. Sex Shooter [12" Mix] (6:50)

10. The Bird [Uncensored Mix] (6:38)

11. Purple Rain [w/introduction] (8:59)

12. I Would Die 4 U/Baby I'm A Star [Movie Mix] (7:12)

naw i want new stuff... the original thing they said was "unheard" songs. They know what songs are out there and they specifically said UNHEARD. Not Unreleased. I hope we get a few of the known and a bunch of the unknown songs.

djThunderfunk said:

HerecomethePurpleYoda said:

1. Let's Go Crazy [Long Dance Version] (7:47)

2. Jungle Love [LP Version] (5:29)

3. Take Me With U (3:54)

4. (I Want 2 B A) Modernaire (4:02)

5. Possessed/The Beautiful Ones [Unreleased Extended Mix] (7:04)

6. Computer Blue [Unreleased] (7:28)

7. Darling Nikki [Uncut Mix] (4:48)

8. When Doves Cry [LP Version] (5:54)

9. Sex Shooter [12" Mix] (6:50)

10. The Bird [Uncensored Mix] (6:38)

11. Purple Rain [w/introduction] (8:59)

12. I Would Die 4 U/Baby I'm A Star [Movie Mix] (7:12)

No. Too much is readily available already...

Why waste space with easy to get elsewhere tracks like Jungle Love LP version?

At the very least use the live version of Jungle Love in the movie sourced from the same First Avenue show as the movie version of The Bird--although Prince added quite a bit of overdubs to The Bird listening to the original live version.

nelcp777 said:

Perhaps the logic of this release is to expand the audience since Prince's passing. If a larger market can be obtained with this release and generate more interest in Prince's music, I am cool with it. The 1 unreleased track could be used as a teaser for those who are not fully aware of the vast bootleg tracks out there.

The PR release could be the middle ground for the masses and faithful followers. Pure speculation of course. We the faithful get more unreleased tracks and the masses get remastered stuff with another look into the Vault. Hopefully, this will generate more interest in Prince's catalogue and Vault material.

Prince's sales and appeal was limited in my opinion. Who knows on the behind the doors legalities in getting material released.

I am hoping that these 2 releases are test runs, so to speak, in trying to market Prince's music and maintain his legacy.

I think you are probably right. It has to be seen if these kind of projects can be commercial. Obviously there is also a moarket for the deluxe £100 Box Sets for hardcore fans.

It is worth noting that there are no streams of Moonbeam Levels on YouTube anymore, owing to Warner Music's intervention.

Bearing this in mind, I think it's safe to say that the original recording will be on this compliation.