I just want to take a moment here to thank all of you who love Prince so much and have been working so hard to gather information, on your own time. We are here out of love and respect for Prince.

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I certainly don't want to upset anyone here with regard to sharing information. I do the best I can with providing links when I can. When someone asks a question, I do my best to answer them and provide them with information.

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There are some really wonderful people here on the Org, and I really appreciate all of you.

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Let us all try to be patient, as this is still an on-going homicide investigation.

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None of us are perfect, and we are trying to do the best we can.

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Peace and Love!

cloveringold85 said:

precioux said:

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Yea, what Sheriff Olson said.....Hmmm. I don't know what to believe. First, they had footage, then they said the security system was turned OFF. What are we to believe?

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National Enquirer ran with the story of video footage and they did that sick reinactment of Prince slumped over in the elevator. They really stooped to an all-time low with that one!!!!

Carver County Sheriff News Conference

http://heavy.com/entertainment/2016/04/prince-death-press-conference-live-stream-how-to-watch-investigation-carver-county-sheriffs-department/

cloveringold85 said:

I just want to take a moment here to thank all of you who love Prince so much and have been working so hard to gather information, on your own time. We are here out of love and respect for Prince.

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I certainly don't want to upset anyone here with regard to sharing information. I do the best I can with providing links when I can. When someone asks a question, I do my best to answer them and provide them with information.

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There are some really wonderful people here on the Org, and I really appreciate all of you.

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Let us all try to be patient, as this is still an on-going homicide investigation.

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None of us are perfect, and we are trying to do the best we can.

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Peace and Love!

I think this is beautiful!! I agree with you.

LBrent said:

Given that P was into candles, incense, meditation, etc...I wonder if he ever tried massage therapy or accupuncture or chiropractics for his pain.

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Interesting you bring that up, because Prince was scheduled to meet with a Holistic doctor the day he was found in the elevator. That makes me so incredibly sad.

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I think that If I was in chronic pain, I would see a holistic doctor. If you know Suzanne Somers, she battled cancer and used natural treamtents (no chemo), and she is 70 years-old.

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I know it doesn't work for everyone, because everyone's pain is different, but perhaps this would have helped Prince, tremendously.

1Sasha said:

If Prince was in a dispute with KJ, why was KJ on the plane which landed in Moline? Prince never had any problem dismissing any person from his life, be it a musician, janitor or wife. If KJ had to be gone, he would have been.

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Yes, you're right about that. Kirk was always travelling with Prince.

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Then again, Prince knew Kirk for so long, how could he ever replace someone like that? Kirk was manager of PP and P's business affairs and privy to a lot of information that no one else knew.

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I dunno......that's a tough one.

zenarose said:

LBrent said:

After what TN said on Today, I think she and the family know exactly what happened #/21. I think KJ was involved somehow and I think P knew and or was complicit. Wasn't KJ at the the official family tribute? I think KJ made the call to TN where she said, "A PP called to say 2 words...He's gone", I also think the family might be protecting KJ...and I think P would be in agreement with that.

I have no proof....lust a feeling that I have in the pit of my stomach. I'm done persuing it cuz I have a feeling that this was possibly more P's orchestration than any "foul play". I'm not saying suicide, but...

"He's Gone"?? ....... bike riding......out to lunch... to visit a friend....???? There's lots of room for interpretation. "Gone" can mean many things, not just death. The whole situation baffles me. We have been told so many different things and none of it makes sense. For every yea there is a nay. I can't say that I know how any certain person would think or feel about losing Prince. All I can tell you is how I, on the outside looking in, would feel so I don't want to judge. There are just too many questions that are unanswered and that causes minds to wander whether we want them to or not. There is no closure so there is no acceptance and there is no peace or healing. Everyone is searching for the truth. We may not be blood related to Prince but he has been in our lives and in our hearts for so many years. We have loved him and accepted him for who he was and what he stood for. He IS our family too. I don't believe that he had a drug addiction. I don't believe that he committed suicide. Past that there has been nothing other than various news stories that lead us in circles and without VERIFICATION of whom is giving the information. Just "sources close to". And then the statement that TN made..... well it doesn't fit with what the investigation is supposedly telling us. How is she going to know 2 years in advance that Prince is going to die from "an accidental Fentanyl overdose"?? I'm just asking. There is something else going on here and we all know it, we just don't know what. P's orchestration....it's as much a possibilty as anything else. Right now everything needs to be considered.

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I agree, Zena!!

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disch said:

honestly, we haven't really been told so many different things. If we are careful about the weight we give to information based on its source (both the person quoted, and the media outlet(s) it appears in), and we're willing to accept that there is some natural discrepancies that humans make when they are recounting things (e.g., they may not have noted the exact minute they arrived at a location, and just made an estimate), then the pieces line up reasonably well. Most of the holes aren't due to distrepancies but simply info that hasn't been made public at all (and may never be).

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The word "gone," that Tyka noted, is one example. The person's intonation of that can make a huge difference in how the listener perceives its meaning, we since we don't have a recording of the call, we don't know what that intonation was. Plus P had nearly died a couple days earlier, so there was likely some anxiety around those close to him about his physical state anyway.

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6 months after the fact, I don't believe "everything has to be considered." We can use the info we have, and our deductive reasoning, to eliminate various scenarios and settle on one general scenario, even if we don't know every last detail. Some of us have already done that.

DISCH: You know that we have done so much research and had many great discussions. I consider you a rock. Maybe this whole thing is as "simple" as suicide or drug addiction. We have even discussed terminal illness to organ failure. I have been honest from the start in saying that after all the years of hearing P speak out against drugs, it is very hard for me to be able to see a drug abuser, but could understand a dependency on pain meds. I cannot believe suicide because P was devout in his belief in his religion. You are right when you say that things have been reported. You have knowledge as to how news agencies work. I don't question your integrity. You have provided much information to us with links. I have been fair and balanced in my search also. A few weeks ago, I started to see other things that have caused me to look at more aspects. It could be due to the fact that we still know nothing for sure except the ME's Official Media Release. That in itself can be taken in a few different ways. In all honesty I just do not see P buying illegal drugs. I can't rake that to the side. Maybe P's death is simple. and maybe it's right in front of our faces. There are those of us who have still yet to make up our minds what happened. There are those of us that have made up our minds that we have no dout about what happened.

I look to you and your opinion because you do not judge and you are constructive not destructive.

As for me, I am undecided as to what occurred. I accept that there are those who have decided and have no issues with them. One would think that after 6 mos., things would get easier. But for some it's still 4/21/2016.

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zenarose said:

Hey CLOVERINGOLD85!! It is a tough day for some reason. I heard "Empty Room" and the water

works started.

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I know!! It's been a tough past 6-months, and it doesn't seem to be getting any better, unfortunately.

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Hang in there! I'm here for you!

zenarose said:

cloveringold85 said:

I just want to take a moment here to thank all of you who love Prince so much and have been working so hard to gather information, on your own time. We are here out of love and respect for Prince.

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I certainly don't want to upset anyone here with regard to sharing information. I do the best I can with providing links when I can. When someone asks a question, I do my best to answer them and provide them with information.

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There are some really wonderful people here on the Org, and I really appreciate all of you.

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Let us all try to be patient, as this is still an on-going homicide investigation.

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None of us are perfect, and we are trying to do the best we can.

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Peace and Love!

I think this is beautiful!! I agree with you.

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Thank You, Zena!!

1Sasha said:

If Prince was in a dispute with KJ, why was KJ on the plane which landed in Moline? Prince never had any problem dismissing any person from his life, be it a musician, janitor or wife. If KJ had to be gone, he would have been.

That's right, we all know that's the truth. Prince trusted him and I haven't seen one single bit of PROOF that he shouldn't have trusted him.

Here is a link RE: Holistic Medicine. There were several listings for Holistic Clinis in Chanhassen.

http://www.webmd.com/balance/guide/what-is-holistic-medicine

I just came across this picture of Prince on a scooter. I've never seen this picture before. I'm not sure where or when this picture was taken, but the picture was posted in 2011.

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http://elvomitar.blogspot.com/2011/04/prince-they-see-me-rollin-they-hatin.html

cloveringold85 said:

I just came across this picture of Prince on a scooter. I've never seen this picture before. I'm not sure where or when this picture was taken, but the picture was posted in 2011.

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http://elvomitar.blogspot.com/2011/04/prince-they-see-me-rollin-they-hatin.html

I saw this the other day. I was wondering when P started to use his cane. Some say that he always

carried one but I can't find pictures of him with a cane until around 2011-2012. Do you know??

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zenarose said:

cloveringold85 said:

I just came across this picture of Prince on a scooter. I've never seen this picture before. I'm not sure where or when this picture was taken, but the picture was posted in 2011.

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Link:

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http://elvomitar.blogspot.com/2011/04/prince-they-see-me-rollin-they-hatin.html

I saw this the other day. I was wondering when P started to use his cane. Some say that he always

carried one but I can't find pictures of him with a cane until around 2011-2012. Do you know??

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Honestly, I was kinda taken aback when I first saw this pic, because it's not something we are used to seeing.

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I'm pretty sure Prince was using a cane back in the 90s. He carried one when he was with Mayte, and I've seen interviews with him on YT and he had a cane with him.

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I see this, and it makes me so sad to think he was in any pain. I can't imagine what he was dealing with all by himself and not telling anyone. He loved his fans so much and didn't want them to know he was hurting.

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I felt the same when I first saw it. Then I took a breath and thought maybe he was going to the stage

and it was futher than he wanted to walk. I can't tell if he has on heels or not. I did go back and look.

I saw some of the older pics with the cane. I guess there were just more in recent years. It is hard to

understand how he could continue to be in such great pain given the fact that he could have afforded

anything that he needed to do. He had his reasons for enduring that pain. Is it possible that even if he

elected to have the surgery it would not have a good prognosis? Maybe the damage was too

extensive? Of course his beliefs had a play in his decision as well.

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Just gonna suggest you ladies do a site search for things...this has already come up and been discussed in the past, so you should be able to find information on it.

Here is a link for the scooter:

http://prince.org/msg/7/65713

Dibblekins said:

sunset3121 said:

Here is a link for the scooter:

http://prince.org/msg/7/65713

Excellent....there are others too.

zenarose said:

I felt the same when I first saw it. Then I took a breath and thought maybe he was going to the stage

and it was futher than he wanted to walk. I can't tell if he has on heels or not. I did go back and look.

I saw some of the older pics with the cane. I guess there were just more in recent years. It is hard to

understand how he could continue to be in such great pain given the fact that he could have afforded

anything that he needed to do. He had his reasons for enduring that pain. Is it possible that even if he

elected to have the surgery it would not have a good prognosis? Maybe the damage was too

extensive? Of course his beliefs had a play in his decision as well.

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Yes, it could be it was just a long walk, so he used a scooter on that day.

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Mumio said:

Just gonna suggest you ladies do a site search for things...this has already come up and been discussed in the past, so you should be able to find information on it.

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If you do a search for scooter or Prince scooter, nothing comes up......the link that was provided is titled, "Aw, ain't Prince CUTE?".

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But yes, I see the link now with Prince on the scooter.

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sunset3121 said:

Here is a link for the scooter:

http://prince.org/msg/7/65713

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Thanks! I see it was already posted.

cloveringold85 said:

Mumio said:

Just gonna suggest you ladies do a site search for things...this has already come up and been discussed in the past, so you should be able to find information on it.

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If you do a search for scooter or Prince scooter, nothing comes up......the link that was provided is titled, "Aw, ain't Prince CUTE?".

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But yes, I see the link now with Prince on the scooter.

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https://cse.google.com/cs...gsc.page=1

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Found an interesting article from the Huffington Post, dated April 28th, 2016. There is a neat pic of Prince playing basketball.

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The interview with Ian Boxill, who was Prince's recording engineer said some very interesting things about hanging out at PP, and jamming and Grammy's after parties.

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One thing in particular he said kinda stopped me in my tracks though.......

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Ian says: "Also, he never had pockets made into any of his clothing. I guess he felt he would always have people around him to carry stuff for him."

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Yet, authorities said that Prince was found with his clothing on backwards with a bottle of pills in his "back pocket".

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Now, maybe Prince did wear more casual attire when he was just hanging out, and maybe he did wear pants with pockets on occasion.

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Link to article:

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marlon-regis/prince-parties-those-clos_b_9780828.html

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cloveringold85 said:

Found an interesting article from the Huffington Post, dated April 28th, 2016. There is a neat pic of Prince playing basketball.

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The interview with Ian Boxill, who was Prince's recording engineer said some very interesting things about hanging out at PP, and jamming and Grammy's after parties.

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One thing in particular he said kinda stopped me in my tracks though.......

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Ian says: "Also, he never had pockets made into any of his clothing. I guess he felt he would always have people around him to carry stuff for him."

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Yet, authorities said that Prince was found with his clothing on backwards with a bottle of pills in his "back pocket".

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Now, maybe Prince did wear more casual attire when he was just hanging out, and maybe he did wear pants with pockets on occasion.

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Link to article:

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marlon-regis/prince-parties-those-clos_b_9780828.html

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GREAT catch!!!

cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

oliviacamron said:

1Sasha said:

LBrent, I agree that the family has embraced KJ. One of my relatives, who lived there until about four months ago, said the talk in town had turned from accidental to deliberate. They couldn't reconcile the "facts" that were leaking out . If we had the autopsy report, then I believe everything would become clearer, if not clear.

Deliberate as in murder or suicide?

In my gut I feel, after watching TN and the other 2 sisters on Today, that around 2 years ago P might have announced a physical ailment incompatible with life and his desire to detail and carry out as much of his postmortem plans HIMSELF in conjunction with his family in the hope that he could finish as much as possible before "he left".

I think that was what all the contacting former inner circle folks, Piano & Microphone shows, buying his new guitar and piano, attending as many parties as possible, going on several TV shows, riding his bike around, shopping for new music at Electric Fetus...Basically doing things he enjoyed up until the very last.

I think P was determined to cram as much living as he could into what would be his last days.

And at the last, I've come to wonder if he deliberately sent everyone away so he could be alone in the end...on his own terms, whatever they may have been...even if it was simply that "feeling" that I've seen patients get where they keep themselves pushing until they finish something like hanging on until a grandkid graduates or until a kid in the Army gets home or until a daughter's wedding...then they feel they can relax and let themselves "slip away" peacefully.

I dunno. I think P had a plan he had mapped out before he "left" and that kept him going, possibly longer than expected.

Another Orger noted that a close contact who knows the security cameras were off. I wonder if P had a hand in that. I dunno. He was a control freak. I dunno. I just know that after hearing TN on Today I felt peace knowing that P knew what was happening to him and he wasn't simply taken from us. He knew. And in his own way, he's been saying goodbye since 2014 or so.

I'm good knowing that he knew.

zenarose said:

cloveringold85 said:

Found an interesting article from the Huffington Post, dated April 28th, 2016. There is a neat pic of Prince playing basketball.

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The interview with Ian Boxill, who was Prince's recording engineer said some very interesting things about hanging out at PP, and jamming and Grammy's after parties.

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One thing in particular he said kinda stopped me in my tracks though.......

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Ian says: "Also, he never had pockets made into any of his clothing. I guess he felt he would always have people around him to carry stuff for him."

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Yet, authorities said that Prince was found with his clothing on backwards with a bottle of pills in his "back pocket".

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Now, maybe Prince did wear more casual attire when he was just hanging out, and maybe he did wear pants with pockets on occasion.

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Link to article:

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marlon-regis/prince-parties-those-clos_b_9780828.html

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GREAT catch!!!

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Yup.....just another one of those things that make you go "hmmm".

zenarose said: