MMJas said:

At what time did AK check in at the hotel, anyone knows? Could he have been met at the hotel by a Prince rep and given the rep something for Prince to take in the meantime, and then gone to the hotel with the idea of going to PP in the morning? is that possible?

Found this comment by KarmaeatsDogma :
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I know another patient who died while taking the unmonitored buprenorphine prescribed by Dr. Kornfeld. His name was Dr. John Boyle Borchers. He was a neurosurgeon and a brilliant guy. He was teaching at Stanford while taking these powerful detox meds. John took off in a plane one evening heading for Tahoe, while on these meds and crashed and died. This doctor should be shut down. You CANNOT DISPENSE BUPRENORPHINE safely unless monitored medically during the transition from the opiode meds. Sending ones son, not a doctor, and NOT calling 911 to get immediate help for Prince, is simply unacceptable.

My Kaiser doctor stated that her mother who was having a drinking problem, went to Dr. Kornfeld and was put in a hotel room alone, and was so over-medicated for “detox” with his goulash of drugs that she nearly died. He’s a train wreck waiting to happen.

Dr. Kornfeld, who is known to many MD’s in the San Francisco bay area as ” Dr. Frankenstein” charges a boatload of cash for his visits, he cuts the buprenorphine up into his version of the right dose, and dispenses it himself without a pharmacy making all of the profit without any of the standard care a patient should be given. He should be investigated at the highest level."

http://heavy.com/entertai...-911-call/

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I remember reading that horrific story. Dr. Kornfeld is a horrible doctor! Prince would never associate with anyone like that. There are plenty of qualified doctors in and around Minneapolis, so why they contacted this freaky frankenstein, Lord only knows!!

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Pisses me off everytime I read "medical emergency", but no one bothered to get him to hospital or treatment facility, ASAP??!! They supposedly brought in Andrew Kornfeld to help Prince. Not sure how he was gonna help Prince, because he was not even a doctor, then Prince is found dead in the elevator. I hate saying the word "dead", but man, this really just sucks!!

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Everything surrounding Prince's death has "foul play" written all over it!!

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I hope the investigators cross every T and dot every I in this case!

cloveringold85 said:

MMJas said:

A lot of sites reported this. A lot.

" Andrew's dad, rehab specialist Dr. Howard Kornfeld, got the call from Prince's rep the day before the singer died, pleading with him to come to Minnesota to save Prince from a fatal OD. "

https://www.google.pt/search?q=Andrew+Kornfeld&rlz=1C1GGGE_pt-PTPT509PT509&oq=Andrew+Kornfeld&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l2&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

So, forget about the doctor's son for a minute. That REP pleaded with the doctor to come and save Prince from a fatal OD that hadn't happen yet? Who was that Rep? Prince was probably so far gone in his addiction that they felt the need to call the doctor the day before. There was urgency. Yet, the doctor did not come, instead sending his son with illegal meds. The son then went to the hotel first, after taking a night flight. Where's the urgency in this?

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Yes, I know. None of this makes any damn sense!!

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Supposedly, Prince's "rep" who set all this up with Dr. Kornfeld was his assistant (can't recall her name at the moment).

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This entire story seems so shady to me, because Andrew Kornfeld was there, the night before, and given the fact that the security system was turned-off, makes it look incredibly suspicious.

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If someone is having a medical emergency, you call 911 ASAP!! You don't contact someone out of state who isn't even qualified to treat anyone, much less someone with a serious addiction.

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Don't even get me started!!

RE: who was contacted by Prince staffers

http://www.startribune.com/prince-died-from-opioid-overdose/381663221/

[Edited 10/29/16 13:38pm]

zenarose said:

-- I keep wondering who contacted Dr. Korfield. Who had P's phone that Andre and Sheila E were both told he was okay but never spoke to him directly. Who was the Jubilent Judas in his house.

cloveringold85 said:

Dibblekins said:

He didn't go straight to PP...It was reported that he went to a hotel first to sleep / freshen up, before being collected in the morning to go to PP. That seems slightly odd, given that the situation was described as a 'grave emergency'.

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One reason for the above might be that this was an intervention which had been kept secret from P. Given that the hours Prince kept were unusual (ie working throughout the night and going to bed at around the time 'normal' people get up) I do wonder if they planned to sneak the doctor(s) into PP at a time when they knew P would be asleep, and take advantage of the fact that he would be a bit disorientated to administer the medication / persuade him to go to rehab?

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One also wonders who it was that collected Andrew from the hotel - because we were subsequently told that when he arrived, PP staff were already panicking, unable to find P (I assume the staff would be KJ and Meron). So it does seem as though there is another person involved - the identity of whom, we can't be sure (possibly the same person who took P to Walgreens the night before, as whoever it is seems to be 'the chauffeur').

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Prince stayed at a hotel after the plane incident before returning to PP? This is the first I heard of this. All the reports I read stated that Prince remained at the hospital in Moline for several hours, then, getting back on the plane in the early morning to go back to PP.

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The story about people already in a panic when Andrew Kornfeld arrived is also news to me. The reports I read stated that staffers contacted Prince, but there was no answer, so they went to look for him, then he was found in the elevator. Andrew called 911.

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No - not Prince - Andrew Kornfield went to a hotel upon arrival at MN, and stayed there a few hours before being collected to go to PP.
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I might be wrong with the bit about him arriving and finding staff already looking for P...Things start to get a bit muddled after a while!

cloveringold85 said:

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OMG!! I must be so tired that I can't even see straight, or type straight, for that matter!! LMAO!!

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Thanks for correcting me!! Okay, now I understand.

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But, like you said, that is totally f-up because WHY would AK stay the night at a hotel if it was a "grave medical emergency"? Also, It was someone from the Prince camp that drove him to and from the Hotel to PP? I wonder who that was?!

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[Edited 10/29/16 13:12pm]

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One possible theory is the one I posited in a post above these:

'One reason for (AK and staffers waiting until 9am-ish) might be that this was an intervention which had been kept secret from P. Given that the hours Prince kept were unusual (ie working throughout the night and going to bed at around the time 'normal' people get up) I do wonder if they planned to sneak the doctor(s) into PP at a time when they knew P would be asleep, and take advantage of the fact that he would be a bit disorientated to administer the medication / persuade him to go to rehab?'

laurarichardson said:zenarose said: RE: who was contacted by Prince staffers http://www.startribune.co...21/[Edited 10/29/16 13:38pm] -- I keep wondering who contacted Dr. Korfield. Who had P's phone that Andre and Sheila E were both told he was okay but never spoke to him directly. Who was the Jubilent Judas in his house. Sorry for how this is going to show up as a run on....but in regards to who contacted AK....think about this....Chazz Smith was interviewed onKARE11 with Adrian Broaddus.. and stated "we tried to help in every way...IT'S ON RECORD"...is what Chazz said. Is he the one that was part of the camp that called Kornfeld?

laurarichardson said:

zenarose said:

RE: who was contacted by Prince staffers

http://www.startribune.com/prince-died-from-opioid-overdose/381663221/

[Edited 10/29/16 13:38pm]

-- I keep wondering who contacted Dr. Korfield. Who had P's phone that Andre and Sheila E were both told he was okay but never spoke to him directly. Who was the Jubilent Judas in his house.

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Yea, tell me about it!! WHO are these people? This is totally f-up!!

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Someone here stated who contacted (made the arrangement) for the intervention, but I forget who it was. Zena probably knows! She keeps records of everything!

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There was something really shady going down at PP on the evening of April 20th, that we know for sure!

Dibblekins said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Prince stayed at a hotel after the plane incident before returning to PP? This is the first I heard of this. All the reports I read stated that Prince remained at the hospital in Moline for several hours, then, getting back on the plane in the early morning to go back to PP.

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The story about people already in a panic when Andrew Kornfeld arrived is also news to me. The reports I read stated that staffers contacted Prince, but there was no answer, so they went to look for him, then he was found in the elevator. Andrew called 911.

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No - not Prince - Andrew Kornfield went to a hotel upon arrival at MN, and stayed there a few hours before being collected to go to PP.
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I might be wrong with the bit about him arriving and finding staff already looking for P...Things start to get a bit muddled after a while!

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I got it messed-up. Precioux corrected me.

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Prince already had an appointment with a Holistic doctor on the morning of the 21st, so maybe that's when his staff went looking for him. This story keeps going round and round, because the other version of the story says that Andrew Kornfeld arrived and staff could not locate Prince, then that is when he was found.

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Hopefully, one day this will all make sense.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

zenarose said: -- I keep wondering who contacted Dr. Korfield. Who had P's phone that Andre and Sheila E were both told he was okay but never spoke to him directly. Who was the Jubilent Judas in his house.

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Yea, tell me about it!! WHO are these people? This is totally f-up!!

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Someone here stated who contacted (made the arrangement) for the intervention, but I forget who it was. Zena probably knows! She keeps records of everything!

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There was something really shady going down at PP on the evening of April 20th, that we know for sure!

PHADREA ELLIS LAMKINS it's in the link I posted.

http://www.startribune.com/prince-died-from-opioid-overdose/381663221/

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Dibblekins said:

cloveringold85 said:

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OMG!! I must be so tired that I can't even see straight, or type straight, for that matter!! LMAO!!

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Thanks for correcting me!! Okay, now I understand.

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But, like you said, that is totally f-up because WHY would AK stay the night at a hotel if it was a "grave medical emergency"? Also, It was someone from the Prince camp that drove him to and from the Hotel to PP? I wonder who that was?!

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[Edited 10/29/16 13:12pm]

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One possible theory is the one I posited in a post above these:

'One reason for (AK and staffers waiting until 9am-ish) might be that this was an intervention which had been kept secret from P. Given that the hours Prince kept were unusual (ie working throughout the night and going to bed at around the time 'normal' people get up) I do wonder if they planned to sneak the doctor(s) into PP at a time when they knew P would be asleep, and take advantage of the fact that he would be a bit disorientated to administer the medication / persuade him to go to rehab?'

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Your theory is quite possible. What is so sad about all of this, is that P's staff was sneaking around and doing something that Prince would be very unhappy about, and now he's gone!! It's not my place to judge or point fingers; however, someone clearly was not thinking straight and if they wanted to help Prince, they went about it the wrong way, in my opinion.

zenarose said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yea, tell me about it!! WHO are these people? This is totally f-up!!

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Someone here stated who contacted (made the arrangement) for the intervention, but I forget who it was. Zena probably knows! She keeps records of everything!

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There was something really shady going down at PP on the evening of April 20th, that we know for sure!

PHADREA ELLIS LAMKINS it's in the link I posted.

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Thank You, Zena!!

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I have notes written down here on my desk and was scrambling to find her name!

cloveringold85 said:

zenarose said:

PHADREA ELLIS LAMKINS it's in the link I posted.

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Thank You, Zena!!

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I have notes written down here on my desk and was scrambling to find her name!

http://www.startribune.com/prince-died-from-opioid-overdose/381663221/

precioux said:

laurarichardson said:zenarose said: RE: who was contacted by Prince staffers http://www.startribune.co...21/[Edited 10/29/16 13:38pm] -- I keep wondering who contacted Dr. Korfield. Who had P's phone that Andre and Sheila E were both told he was okay but never spoke to him directly. Who was the Jubilent Judas in his house. Sorry for how this is going to show up as a run on....but in regards to who contacted AK....think about this....Chazz Smith was interviewed onKARE11 with Adrian Broaddus.. and stated "we tried to help in every way...IT'S ON RECORD"...is what Chazz said. Is he the one that was part of the camp that called Kornfeld?

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Yes, thanks for clarifying that.

It also seems that Chris "Romeo" Gaither has faded into a mist since he stated that he packed P's

bags on the daily and traveled with him for months and he did not use drugs.

zenarose said:

It also seems that Chris "Romeo" Gaither has faded into a mist since he stated that he packed P's

bags on the daily and traveled with him for months and he did not use drugs.

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Yea, he seems to be laying low these days. I did a search the other day to see if I could find any news on him, but nothing surfaced.

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cloveringold85 said:

zenarose said:

PHADREA ELLIS LAMKINS it's in the link I posted.

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Thank You, Zena!!

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I have notes written down here on my desk and was scrambling to find her name!

Thank you , thank you for the link Zena!

http://www.startribune.com/prince-died-from-opioid-overdose/381663221/

. . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . In this article you read:

"Sources have said that shortly before Prince’s death, members of the artist’s inner circle became so concerned about his health that they reached out to Phaedra Ellis-Lamkins, a well-known environmental and labor activist in the San Francisco Bay Area credited with helping Prince recover the rights to his early songs from Warner Bros. She has declined to comment, citing Prince’s concern for his privacy.The night of April 20, less than 12 hours before Prince’s body was found, Ellis-Lamkins called Dr. Howard Kornfeld,. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ."
I wonder what this Phaedra Ellis-Lamkins would advise me - a European woman - if I asked for a doctor. That special doctor from Egypt, or that other one from Russia. Just 4,5 hours flighing away! Ridiculous! I wonder... Didn't Kirk tell them to come to their senses? I know, I'm an outsider, I don't know the facts. ____________________________________________________________

1. How long has Meron Bekure been working as a personal assistant for Prince?
2. Did she act alone, or in accordance with Kirk?
3. Prince and Kirk travelled a lot- where have they been? Which States and countries and what specific cities have they visited together and for what purpose?
   
   

cloveringold85 said:

LBrent said:

While watching May 17, 2014 Hit n Run II in Manchester on YT it dawned on me that P was bouncing around, dancing, wearing a sleeveless top that showed toned arms with visible muscle definition, and he WASN'T wearing black.

This brings me to my wondering about when he started covering completely in turtlenecks, gloves, etc in head to toe black and noticeably stopped dancing and standing.

Anybody notice?

I ask because I have a feeling that, given what TN said on Today, that information might offer a better timeframe of whatever might have been going on with P's health in the last 18 months or so.

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Yes, I recall Prince was bouncing around in 2014 and even 2015. If he was in any pain, he sure did fool us!

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I can remember Prince wearing turtlenecks, long sleeves as far back as late 1990s & early 2000s. I think he started to change his attire after he became a JW, and his music changed as well. No longer would he use vulgarity in his words or music.

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Turtlenecks aren't a JW thing. JWs even wear tanktops and bikinis. It's a matter of preference.

I'm talking about P being in clothes that could cover a frailty/debilitating condition.

LBrent said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, I recall Prince was bouncing around in 2014 and even 2015. If he was in any pain, he sure did fool us!

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I can remember Prince wearing turtlenecks, long sleeves as far back as late 1990s & early 2000s. I think he started to change his attire after he became a JW, and his music changed as well. No longer would he use vulgarity in his words or music.

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Turtlenecks aren't a JW thing. JWs even wear tanktops and bikinis. It's a matter of preference.

I'm talking about P being in clothes that could cover a frailty/debilitating condition.

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Oh, sorry if I misunderstood. I thought you were asking when Prince started wearing clothing that was "covering-up" more. I was just stating that he started doing that around the time he became a JW. I think Prince was just trying to tone-down his look, i.e., he wouldn't show his chest/stomach or wear more "revealing" clothes after that time. I never thought of it as a way to cover-up some type of "condition" he may have had. I don't think that was the case, imo.

cloveringold85 said:

LBrent said:

Turtlenecks aren't a JW thing. JWs even wear tanktops and bikinis. It's a matter of preference.

I'm talking about P being in clothes that could cover a frailty/debilitating condition.

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Oh, sorry if I misunderstood. I thought you were asking when Prince started wearing clothing that was "covering-up" more. I was just stating that he started doing that around the time he became a JW. I think Prince was just trying to tone-down his look, i.e., he wouldn't show his chest/stomach or wear more "revealing" clothes after that time. I never thought of it as a way to cover-up some type of "condition" he may have had. I don't think that was the case, imo.

He may have started getting more self conscious about his neck...I did notice that whenever he was thinner than usual, his Adam's apple was frighteningly pronounced (this is one thing I could never grasp about people saying how gorgeous he looked in 2009 at the Montreux Festival)...To me, 2009 was a particularly skinny / frail-looking year for Prince and I couldn't look at his neck without wincing! It seems that maybe 2014 onwards marked a similar trend - and it was around this point that he started covering up more.

cloveringold85 said:

LBrent said:

Turtlenecks aren't a JW thing. JWs even wear tanktops and bikinis. It's a matter of preference.

I'm talking about P being in clothes that could cover a frailty/debilitating condition.

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Oh, sorry if I misunderstood. I thought you were asking when Prince started wearing clothing that was "covering-up" more. I was just stating that he started doing that around the time he became a JW. I think Prince was just trying to tone-down his look, i.e., he wouldn't show his chest/stomach or wear more "revealing" clothes after that time. I never thought of it as a way to cover-up some type of "condition" he may have had. I don't think that was the case, imo.

If he had a skin condition, wouldn't it be on his face also? I see that he has changed from wearing x wide collars and tailored suits and went to loose fitting clothing. I see his turtle necks as compensating for the x wide collars.

zenarose said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Oh, sorry if I misunderstood. I thought you were asking when Prince started wearing clothing that was "covering-up" more. I was just stating that he started doing that around the time he became a JW. I think Prince was just trying to tone-down his look, i.e., he wouldn't show his chest/stomach or wear more "revealing" clothes after that time. I never thought of it as a way to cover-up some type of "condition" he may have had. I don't think that was the case, imo.

If he had a skin condition, wouldn't it be on his face also? I see that he has changed from wearing x wide collars and tailored suits and went to loose fitting clothing. I see his turtle necks as compensating for the x wide collars.

Ok. I'm not talking about a skin condition.

I'm talking about a physical illness that might make one frail. Like Dibblekins mentioned P being very thin and that's what I mean, except pre-2014 P wasn't shy about showing his arms and legs and neck regardless of being JW. Plus he still wore colors.

I'm noticing after 2014/15-ish he was covered up except his face AND wearing all black. Made me think 1) he was keeping others from seeing how frail he was becoming, 2) he was trying to stay warm due to becoming increasingly frail, 3) wearing black unconciously due to depression over an ever progressing illness.

I'm just thinking out loud.

LBrent said:

zenarose said:

If he had a skin condition, wouldn't it be on his face also? I see that he has changed from wearing x wide collars and tailored suits and went to loose fitting clothing. I see his turtle necks as compensating for the x wide collars.

Ok. I'm not talking about a skin condition.

I'm talking about a physical illness that might make one frail. Like Dibblekins mentioned P being very thin and that's what I mean, except pre-2014 P wasn't shy about showing his arms and legs and neck regardless of being JW. Plus he still wore colors.

I'm noticing after 2014/15-ish he was covered up except his face AND wearing all black. Made me think 1) he was keeping others from seeing how frail he was becoming, 2) he was trying to stay warm due to becoming increasingly frail, 3) wearing black unconciously due to depression over an ever progressing illness.

I'm just thinking out loud.

Ahh ok. I was already googling pics and info on different illnesses. That makes sense.

zenarose said:

LBrent said:

Ok. I'm not talking about a skin condition.

I'm talking about a physical illness that might make one frail. Like Dibblekins mentioned P being very thin and that's what I mean, except pre-2014 P wasn't shy about showing his arms and legs and neck regardless of being JW. Plus he still wore colors.

I'm noticing after 2014/15-ish he was covered up except his face AND wearing all black. Made me think 1) he was keeping others from seeing how frail he was becoming, 2) he was trying to stay warm due to becoming increasingly frail, 3) wearing black unconciously due to depression over an ever progressing illness.

I'm just thinking out loud.

Ahh ok. I was already googling pics and info on different illnesses. That makes sense.

I think the all black look only made him loook frailer.

MMJas said:

zenarose said:

Ahh ok. I was already googling pics and info on different illnesses. That makes sense.

I think the all black look only made him loook frailer.

I agree.

Dibblekins said:

He may have started getting more self conscious about his neck...I did notice that whenever he was thinner than usual, his Adam's apple was frighteningly pronounced (this is one thing I could never grasp about people saying how gorgeous he looked in 2009 at the Montreux Festival)...To me, 2009 was a particularly skinny / frail-looking year for Prince and I couldn't look at his neck without wincing! It seems that maybe 2014 onwards marked a similar trend - and it was around this point that he started covering up more.

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And his neck was getting wrinkles

LBrent said:

zenarose said:

If he had a skin condition, wouldn't it be on his face also? I see that he has changed from wearing x wide collars and tailored suits and went to loose fitting clothing. I see his turtle necks as compensating for the x wide collars.

Ok. I'm not talking about a skin condition.

I'm talking about a physical illness that might make one frail. Like Dibblekins mentioned P being very thin and that's what I mean, except pre-2014 P wasn't shy about showing his arms and legs and neck regardless of being JW. Plus he still wore colors.

I'm noticing after 2014/15-ish he was covered up except his face AND wearing all black. Made me think 1) he was keeping others from seeing how frail he was becoming, 2) he was trying to stay warm due to becoming increasingly frail, 3) wearing black unconciously due to depression over an ever progressing illness.

I'm just thinking out loud.

Around the time "they" started poisoning him according to my source.

There was nothing shady going on. Do any of you have any idea how stressful and frightening it is when you get to that level of desperation over the welfare of a loved one in the midst of an addiction? There are no easy answers. But you can't sit by any longer and watch the downward spiral so you take a huge risk by getting others involved. Professionals. Idk if Dr kornfeld is good at what he does or not, but that's who was obviously recommended. MN has treatment centers, some very well regarded and I wish prince and his people would have felt comfortable seeking help from them. I'm guessing privacy issues got in the way of that. I think his people were trying the best they could, the best any of us could, under the circumstsnces. And I'm sure they have been beating themselves up ever since about what they should have, or could have, done differently to save him. Andrew kornfeld was picked up from the airport after taking a red eye from the west coast and left at his hotel to freshen up. I don't believe it was reported that he went to sleep. And if I recall he made his way to PP alone and when no one answered the phone or the door at PP he contacted the asst and kirk who came to let him in. As far as the security cam eras they could have been off for a number of reasons. PP wasn't a prison. There was not a lot of Prince related activity around PP for some time. It's normally quiet there unless he would throw a random party at night. Back in the day PP was more hustling and bustling on a regular basis but not recently. Maybe the cameras were outdated. Maybe they only turned them on when he opened the place up to the public. Idk but I don't find it particularly strange. The entire facility is gated and locked. And it sits at a fairly busy intersection so it would be noticeable if there were any suspicious activity around the area. It's also patrolled by the county sheriff's deputies as well as city police officers. People are reading way too much into things that are insignificant then trying to make them significsnt.I wish he was still here too. It was a terrible tragedy that shouldn't have happened. It's hard to accept that he's gone. None of these crazy theories or conspiracies is going to bring him back. It's not helping people to heal and move on that's for sure.

sonshine said:

There was nothing shady going on. Do any of you have any idea how stressful and frightening it is when you get to that level of desperation over the welfare of a loved one in the midst of an addiction? There are no easy answers. But you can't sit by any longer and watch the downward spiral so you take a huge risk by getting others involved. Professionals. Idk if Dr kornfeld is good at what he does or not, but that's who was obviously recommended. MN has treatment centers, some very well regarded and I wish prince and his people would have felt comfortable seeking help from them. I'm guessing privacy issues got in the way of that. I think his people were trying the best they could, the best any of us could, under the circumstsnces. And I'm sure they have been beating themselves up ever since about what they should have, or could have, done differently to save him. Andrew kornfeld was picked up from the airport after taking a red eye from the west coast and left at his hotel to freshen up. I don't believe it was reported that he went to sleep. And if I recall he made his way to PP alone and when no one answered the phone or the door at PP he contacted the asst and kirk who came to let him in. As far as the security cam eras they could have been off for a number of reasons. PP wasn't a prison. There was not a lot of Prince related activity around PP for some time. It's normally quiet there unless he would throw a random party at night. Back in the day PP was more hustling and bustling on a regular basis but not recently. Maybe the cameras were outdated. Maybe they only turned them on when he opened the place up to the public. Idk but I don't find it particularly strange. The entire facility is gated and locked. And it sits at a fairly busy intersection so it would be noticeable if there were any suspicious activity around the area. It's also patrolled by the county sheriff's deputies as well as city police officers. People are reading way too much into things that are insignificant then trying to make them significsnt.I wish he was still here too. It was a terrible tragedy that shouldn't have happened. It's hard to accept that he's gone. None of these crazy theories or conspiracies is going to bring him back. It's not helping people to heal and move on that's for sure.

I can't be certain but I am sure I read that he was collected and taken to PP - because when he made the 911 call, he didn't know the address and had to ask (if he had made his own way there, he would have already known the address / location).

Dibblekins said:

sonshine said:

There was nothing shady going on. Do any of you have any idea how stressful and frightening it is when you get to that level of desperation over the welfare of a loved one in the midst of an addiction? There are no easy answers. But you can't sit by any longer and watch the downward spiral so you take a huge risk by getting others involved. Professionals. Idk if Dr kornfeld is good at what he does or not, but that's who was obviously recommended. MN has treatment centers, some very well regarded and I wish prince and his people would have felt comfortable seeking help from them. I'm guessing privacy issues got in the way of that. I think his people were trying the best they could, the best any of us could, under the circumstsnces. And I'm sure they have been beating themselves up ever since about what they should have, or could have, done differently to save him. Andrew kornfeld was picked up from the airport after taking a red eye from the west coast and left at his hotel to freshen up. I don't believe it was reported that he went to sleep. And if I recall he made his way to PP alone and when no one answered the phone or the door at PP he contacted the asst and kirk who came to let him in. As far as the security cam eras they could have been off for a number of reasons. PP wasn't a prison. There was not a lot of Prince related activity around PP for some time. It's normally quiet there unless he would throw a random party at night. Back in the day PP was more hustling and bustling on a regular basis but not recently. Maybe the cameras were outdated. Maybe they only turned them on when he opened the place up to the public. Idk but I don't find it particularly strange. The entire facility is gated and locked. And it sits at a fairly busy intersection so it would be noticeable if there were any suspicious activity around the area. It's also patrolled by the county sheriff's deputies as well as city police officers. People are reading way too much into things that are insignificant then trying to make them significsnt.I wish he was still here too. It was a terrible tragedy that shouldn't have happened. It's hard to accept that he's gone. None of these crazy theories or conspiracies is going to bring him back. It's not helping people to heal and move on that's for sure.

I can't be certain but I am sure I read that he was collected and taken to PP - because when he made the 911 call, he didn't know the address and had to ask (if he had made his own way there, he would have already known the address / location).

Yes, I remember reading that too. And that's a good point, he would have known the address.

sonshine said:

THIS. Exactly, Sonshine, exactly.
Btw, how did the content of the "curiosities" thread and the "death" thread get so reversed? Did the Queen order this as a means of muddying the waters?