cloveringold85 said:

MMJas said:

At what time did AK check in at the hotel, anyone knows? Could he have been met at the hotel by a Prince rep and given the rep something for Prince to take in the meantime, and then gone to the hotel with the idea of going to PP in the morning? is that possible?

Found this comment by KarmaeatsDogma :
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I know another patient who died while taking the unmonitored buprenorphine prescribed by Dr. Kornfeld. His name was Dr. John Boyle Borchers. He was a neurosurgeon and a brilliant guy. He was teaching at Stanford while taking these powerful detox meds. John took off in a plane one evening heading for Tahoe, while on these meds and crashed and died. This doctor should be shut down. You CANNOT DISPENSE BUPRENORPHINE safely unless monitored medically during the transition from the opiode meds. Sending ones son, not a doctor, and NOT calling 911 to get immediate help for Prince, is simply unacceptable.

My Kaiser doctor stated that her mother who was having a drinking problem, went to Dr. Kornfeld and was put in a hotel room alone, and was so over-medicated for “detox” with his goulash of drugs that she nearly died. He’s a train wreck waiting to happen.

Dr. Kornfeld, who is known to many MD’s in the San Francisco bay area as ” Dr. Frankenstein” charges a boatload of cash for his visits, he cuts the buprenorphine up into his version of the right dose, and dispenses it himself without a pharmacy making all of the profit without any of the standard care a patient should be given. He should be investigated at the highest level."

http://heavy.com/entertai...-911-call/

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I remember reading that horrific story. Dr. Kornfeld is a horrible doctor! Prince would never associate with anyone like that. There are plenty of qualified doctors in and around Minneapolis, so why they contacted this freaky frankenstein, Lord only knows!!

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Pisses me off everytime I read "medical emergency", but no one bothered to get him to hospital or treatment facility, ASAP??!! They supposedly brought in Andrew Kornfeld to help Prince. Not sure how he was gonna help Prince, because he was not even a doctor, then Prince is found dead in the elevator. I hate saying the word "dead", but man, this really just sucks!!

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Everything surrounding Prince's death has "foul play" written all over it!!

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I hope the investigators cross every T and dot every I in this case!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3573031/Prince-tried-meet-doctor-death.html
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This article ^^^ says that 'Prince's representatives contacted him (Dr Kornfield) on April 20 with the musician's knowledge' - so, if that's to be believed, he was going with along with things, even if it was begrudgingly.

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I say 'begrudgingly' because the article goes on to say, 'Mauzy (the Kornfields' attorney) said Dr. Kornfeld hoped to get Prince "stabilized in Minnesota and convince him to come to Recovery Without Walls in Mill Valley. That was the plan"'.

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Prince evidently hadn't (yet) agreed to anything more than a visit / an assessment - so I still wonder if they (Andrew and the staff) had planned their intervention to take place in the morning rather than immediately upon AK's arrival because they hoped to take advantage of P being a bit less able to put up any resistance at a time at which he'd normally be sleeping?

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OR, had P done a really, really good job of convincing them all that he was managing just fine - and so a few extra hours wouldn't make any difference (which does make the description 'grave medical emergency' sound like lawyer-speak)...

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Tyka is a recovering addict/alcoholic. She knows how treatment works. Surely she would know what

needed to be done and who to contact. Instead, "staffers" call California. Dr. K should have

contacted someone in MN and started the ball rolling right then. No time to waste, if it was indeed a

grave medical emergency. There is no excuse, not privacy, nothing, if a life is in danger.

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MEDICAL EMERGENCY: an accute injury or illness that poses an immediate risk to a person's life or

long-time health.

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There was absolutely no reason to send AK especially with a controlled substance. They have tried

to push that under the rug hoping that they can keep him from being charged with POCS. Even if P

had been alive, first of all AK was in possession of a controlled substance, second he couldn't have

administered it, not even under the Samaritan Law. Why?? because he had committed a felony

already!! So what they are saying is that AK flew all the way from CA to be a "good samaritan"

while in the commission of a felony.

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GOOD SAMARITAN LAW: generally provides basic legal protection for those who assist a person who

is injured or in danger. In esscence, protect the"good samaritan" from liability if

unintended consequences result from their assistance.

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AK should not have even been there, but since he was as soon as the flight landed he should have

been picked up and taken to PP. Think about it. AK goes to a hotel and is not due at PP til the next

morning. P is left alone overnight. A grave medical ER?? How does the GSL apply? There was no

assistance provided.

I'd like to know what TN's part was in all this. Was she in the loop?

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[Edited 10/30/16 7:51am]

What is really strange about the whole "intervention" story is the fact that Prince expires from a pill that was Fentanyl. He didn't know that the pill contained Fentanyl.

I have no problem with the Prince became dependent on pain killers and accdentally overdosed story but the narrative does not fit what we were told.

muleFunk said:

What is really strange about the whole "intervention" story is the fact that Prince expires from a pill that was Fentanyl. He didn't know that the pill contained Fentanyl.

I have no problem with the Prince became dependent on pain killers and accdentally overdosed story but the narrative does not fit what we were told.

I wouldn't have a problem with it IF he in fact had an addiction. But the reason I don't believe it is because of Prince himself disclaiming drug use for all these years. Totally against it. There has not been one associate to say that P had a drug problem, in fact it is the complete opposite. Not Even TN has said such a thing. No news reports or any other source stating that P had anything to do with drug use in all these years. April is when all the drug crap started, when P could no longer defend himself. (And the Enquirer printed their crap) There are folks that believe all the news sources. The stories change too much, the stories don't test well for truth, and even though false statements are made there are no retractions. So I guess all get a free pass for not telling the truth. There are huge holes in this case. The only thing I think I know is that Prince has passed. There is an Official Media Release from the ME. I just don't understand the "self administered accidental" how did the ME come to that conclusion? And Fentanyl? None in his system 24 hours prior, and not a long time user?

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zenarose said:

Tyka is a recovering addict/alcoholic. She knows how treatment works. Surely she would know what

needed to be done and who to contact. Instead, "staffers" call California. Dr. K should have

contacted someone in MN and started the ball rolling right then. No time to waste, if it was indeed a

grave medical emergency. There is no excuse, not privacy, nothing, if a life is in danger.

***********

MEDICAL EMERGENCY: an accute injury or illness that poses an immediate risk to a person's life or

long-time health.

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There was absolutely no reason to send AK especially with a controlled substance. They have tried

to push that under the rug hoping that they can keep him from being charged with POCS. Even if P

had been alive, first of all AK was in possession of a controlled substance, second he couldn't have

administered it, not even under the Samaritan Law. Why?? because he had committed a felony

already!! So what they are saying is that AK flew all the way from CA to be a "good samaritan"

while in the commission of a felony.

***********

GOOD SAMARITAN LAW: generally provides basic legal protection for those who assist a person who

is injured or in danger. In esscence, protect the"good samaritan" from liability if

unintended consequences result from their assistance.

***********

AK should not have even been there, but since he was as soon as the flight landed he should have

been picked up and taken to PP. Think about it. AK goes to a hotel and is not due at PP til the next

morning. P is left alone overnight. A grave medical ER?? How does the GSL apply? There was no

assistance provided.

I'd like to know what TN's part was in all this. Was she in the loop?

[Edited 10/30/16 7:30am]

[Edited 10/30/16 7:51am]

Unless AK was waiting for Prince's doctor, who would be arriving in the morning, so as to not be committing any illegality. Thatcould explain the not going straight to PP. Although, as a medical student, he should have realized that that medical emergency might have required immediate assistance.

Perhaps AK was told by reps Prince would be ok for the night. Also, where did Prince go, to be left at PP around 8 pm? His cousin would not say when he last saw him. Could he have been with him?

muleFunk said:

What is really strange about the whole "intervention" story is the fact that Prince expires from a pill that was Fentanyl. He didn't know that the pill contained Fentanyl.

I have no problem with the Prince became dependent on pain killers and accdentally overdosed story but the narrative does not fit what we were told.

Indeed...It would be really useful to know WHEN P came by that particular pill / batch of pills. I suppose we have to surmise that that is a key part of the 'active homicide investigation' taking place.

zenarose said:

muleFunk said:

What is really strange about the whole "intervention" story is the fact that Prince expires from a pill that was Fentanyl. He didn't know that the pill contained Fentanyl.

I have no problem with the Prince became dependent on pain killers and accdentally overdosed story but the narrative does not fit what we were told.

I wouldn't have a problem with it IF he in fact had an addiction. But the reason I don't believe it is because of Prince himself disclaiming drug use for all these years. Totally against it. There has not been one associate to say that P had a drug problem, in fact it is the complete opposite. Not Even TN has said such a thing. No news reports or any other source stating that P had anything to do with drug use in all these years. April is when all the drug crap started, when P could no longer defend himself. (And the Enquirer printed their crap) There are folks that believe all the news sources. The stories change too much, the stories don't test well for truth, and even though false statements are made there are no retractions. So I guess all get a free pass for not telling the truth. There are huge holes in this case. The only thing I think I know is that Prince has passed. There is an Official Media Release from the ME. I just don't understand the "self administered accidental" how did the ME come to that conclusion? And Fentanyl? None in his system 24 hours prior, and not a long time user?

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The E probably came to that conclusion after the fake Viocdin was found at PP. If the pill was labeled as Viodin and it was actually Fentanyl he couldn't have known of the pill being laced thus self administered accidental.

Now the fact that there were no prior Fentanyl usage is very intriguing and the inference is that this one pill took him away. Then ,if the leak was correct, the pill had enough Fentanyl to kill several men. Many things here not making sense.

MMJas said:

zenarose said:

Tyka is a recovering addict/alcoholic. She knows how treatment works. Surely she would know what

needed to be done and who to contact. Instead, "staffers" call California. Dr. K should have

contacted someone in MN and started the ball rolling right then. No time to waste, if it was indeed a

grave medical emergency. There is no excuse, not privacy, nothing, if a life is in danger.

***********

MEDICAL EMERGENCY: an accute injury or illness that poses an immediate risk to a person's life or

long-time health.

***********

There was absolutely no reason to send AK especially with a controlled substance. They have tried

to push that under the rug hoping that they can keep him from being charged with POCS. Even if P

had been alive, first of all AK was in possession of a controlled substance, second he couldn't have

administered it, not even under the Samaritan Law. Why?? because he had committed a felony

already!! So what they are saying is that AK flew all the way from CA to be a "good samaritan"

while in the commission of a felony.

***********

GOOD SAMARITAN LAW: generally provides basic legal protection for those who assist a person who

is injured or in danger. In esscence, protect the"good samaritan" from liability if

unintended consequences result from their assistance.

***********

AK should not have even been there, but since he was as soon as the flight landed he should have

been picked up and taken to PP. Think about it. AK goes to a hotel and is not due at PP til the next

morning. P is left alone overnight. A grave medical ER?? How does the GSL apply? There was no

assistance provided.

I'd like to know what TN's part was in all this. Was she in the loop?

[Edited 10/30/16 7:30am]

[Edited 10/30/16 7:51am]

Unless AK was waiting for Prince's doctor, who would be arriving in the morning, so as to not be committing any illegality. Thatcould explain the not going straight to PP. Although, as a medical student, he should have realized that that medical emergency might have required immediate assistance.

Perhaps AK was told by reps Prince would be ok for the night. Also, where did Prince go, to be left at PP around 8 pm? His cousin would not say when he last saw him. Could he have been with him?

In that case would it have been a "grave medical emergency"? That was the reason given for AK taking the red eye to MN and possessing a controlled substance. To me that would mean upon arrival he needed to go to PP right away and have already made arrangements to be met by an authorized Dr. at PP. ( in order to apply the GSL) I have a link where it states that Prince was seen walking out of Walgreen at 7:58pm on 4/20. Other reports say that he was dropped off at PP park at 8pm. It is said that Prince worked after his arrival home at PP that night. Sending emails, and creating task lists for his assistant the next day. It sounds like P is acting normally and in no grave medical emergency. Maybe I am too analytical, but this makes no sense to me.

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zenarose said:

muleFunk said:

What is really strange about the whole "intervention" story is the fact that Prince expires from a pill that was Fentanyl. He didn't know that the pill contained Fentanyl.

I have no problem with the Prince became dependent on pain killers and accdentally overdosed story but the narrative does not fit what we were told.

I wouldn't have a problem with it IF he in fact had an addiction. But the reason I don't believe it is because of Prince himself disclaiming drug use for all these years. Totally against it. There has not been one associate to say that P had a drug problem, in fact it is the complete opposite. Not Even TN has said such a thing. No news reports or any other source stating that P had anything to do with drug use in all these years. April is when all the drug crap started, when P could no longer defend himself. (And the Enquirer printed their crap) There are folks that believe all the news sources. The stories change too much, the stories don't test well for truth, and even though false statements are made there are no retractions. So I guess all get a free pass for not telling the truth. There are huge holes in this case. The only thing I think I know is that Prince has passed. There is an Official Media Release from the ME. I just don't understand the "self administered accidental" how did the ME come to that conclusion? And Fentanyl? None in his system 24 hours prior, and not a long time user?

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Don't forget though, Zena - we do have a recorded conversation with Tavis Smiley (just by way of an example) who suggested that Prince had been taking medication for pain for quite some time - nothing 'heavy' or 'unusual' (or illegal) but there was a history there, albeit a legitimate one.

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I know we're coming full circle again - but all I can assume (if we go with the long-term pain med. narrative) is that for some reason, P was no longer able to access the ones he had routinely used:
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1) Perhaps he himself had noticed that he was having to use more of them / they weren't working as well as they used to work - and so he and his doctor decided he needed to try to withdraw from them (which might have been why he was seeing Dr S, and had an appointment with a holistic doctor). He found withdrawal harder than he anticipated and, no longer having access to prescription meds, he had to go the illicit route;
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or
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2) His doctor took him off pain meds because he (Prince) had developed serious health issues (ie liver damage) as a consequence of taking them for so long...For me, this one makes sense in light of P's change of behaviour in latter years. However, it still takes us back to his resorting to illict drugs when he found he couldn't manage...
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And then we're left wondering - was it a 'true' accident, was it a deliberate 'trust to fate' scenario, or was it suicide (albeit one the ME and others did not recognise / anticipate - remember, P was incredibly private; a note may well not have been his style, along with divulging any feelings of depression).

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I know that others on here think the fentanyl pill may have been planted - right now, I just don't even want to go there - it's too horrible a thought!
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Start with the autopsy report, which, if we could read it, would help us figure out part of the puzzle. His family is too calm, the whole PP opening so soon, WB releasing a new set ... it feels so much, as Tyka said, that they knew this was coming and planned accordingly. All they needed to start the new normal was for Prince to succumb to ...

zenarose said:

Agree with you Zena, these things just do not add up.
Prince out and about on the 20th proves he was not the one in a grave medical emergency. IMO that was said AFTER the fact...someone had already gotten to him.

DIBS: I hear what you're saying. My mind is constantly analyizing. It is all confusing and you can't

get a straight story, everything is contradiction. I'm stuck because Prince said "don't believe the

media" and "wait a few days before you waste any prayers"

1Sasha said:

Start with the autopsy report, which, if we could read it, would help us figure out part of the puzzle. His family is too calm, the whole PP opening so soon, WB releasing a new set ... it feels so much, as Tyka said, that they knew this was coming and planned accordingly. All they needed to start the new normal was for Prince to succumb to ...

Yes and after hearing what TN said on Today, I feel P had established what the "new normal" would be moving forward after he transitioned from this mortal coil.

Knowing what we've seen over the years as far as P controlling as many variables as possible during his lifetime I feel confident that he made provisions for the future of his legacy, as is consistent with what's slowly coming out.

zenarose said:

DIBS: I hear what you're saying. My mind is constantly analyizing. It is all confusing and you can't

get a straight story, everything is contradiction. I'm stuck because Prince said "don't believe the

media" and "wait a few days before you waste any prayers"

But the media had been saying he had the FLU up until his death - so was he suggesting he didn't have flu? Or was he anticipating that rumours of him being a drug addict (or a victim of AIDS) would surface and was warning against believing those rumours? Maybe he was aware that someone in his camp would let on about him having Narcan shots (even though we know now that they're not necessarily used for overdoses) and was preparing the ground?

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Certainly the latter comment ('Wait a few days, etc etc') was a sign of foreboding...Does it mean that he knew he didn't have long left, and was fully resigned to it? Or was it just turn of phrase which took on a really unfortunate meaning?

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Until we get some more snippets re WHEN / WHERE / HOW he got hold of those pills (which I can't see being any time soon, if the investigation is active and following up suspicious leads) OR one of those closest to him starts revealing a bit more about P's state of health / mind, I can't see any way in which we're going to get any further with our own thoughts on the matter...
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LBrent said:

zenarose said:

If he had a skin condition, wouldn't it be on his face also? I see that he has changed from wearing x wide collars and tailored suits and went to loose fitting clothing. I see his turtle necks as compensating for the x wide collars.

Ok. I'm not talking about a skin condition.

I'm talking about a physical illness that might make one frail. Like Dibblekins mentioned P being very thin and that's what I mean, except pre-2014 P wasn't shy about showing his arms and legs and neck regardless of being JW. Plus he still wore colors.

I'm noticing after 2014/15-ish he was covered up except his face AND wearing all black. Made me think 1) he was keeping others from seeing how frail he was becoming, 2) he was trying to stay warm due to becoming increasingly frail, 3) wearing black unconciously due to depression over an ever progressing illness.

I'm just thinking out loud.

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Okay, I understand what you meant now.

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There were many times when Prince looked excessively "thin" during his career, so I never took his choice of attire as trying to cover-up anything, or to make him appear bulkier than he was. I think he just enjoyed wearing loose fitting clothes. Personally, I feel when people wear loose/baggy clothing when they lose weight, only makes them look skinnier, imo.

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Hate to bring up MJ, but you all recall how thin he was before he passed. He looked very frail and thin, and was wearing baggy clothing and extra layers.

sonshine said:

There was nothing shady going on. Do any of you have any idea how stressful and frightening it is when you get to that level of desperation over the welfare of a loved one in the midst of an addiction? There are no easy answers. But you can't sit by any longer and watch the downward spiral so you take a huge risk by getting others involved. Professionals. Idk if Dr kornfeld is good at what he does or not, but that's who was obviously recommended. MN has treatment centers, some very well regarded and I wish prince and his people would have felt comfortable seeking help from them. I'm guessing privacy issues got in the way of that. I think his people were trying the best they could, the best any of us could, under the circumstsnces. And I'm sure they have been beating themselves up ever since about what they should have, or could have, done differently to save him. Andrew kornfeld was picked up from the airport after taking a red eye from the west coast and left at his hotel to freshen up. I don't believe it was reported that he went to sleep. And if I recall he made his way to PP alone and when no one answered the phone or the door at PP he contacted the asst and kirk who came to let him in. As far as the security cam eras they could have been off for a number of reasons. PP wasn't a prison. There was not a lot of Prince related activity around PP for some time. It's normally quiet there unless he would throw a random party at night. Back in the day PP was more hustling and bustling on a regular basis but not recently. Maybe the cameras were outdated. Maybe they only turned them on when he opened the place up to the public. Idk but I don't find it particularly strange. The entire facility is gated and locked. And it sits at a fairly busy intersection so it would be noticeable if there were any suspicious activity around the area. It's also patrolled by the county sheriff's deputies as well as city police officers. People are reading way too much into things that are insignificant then trying to make them significsnt.I wish he was still here too. It was a terrible tragedy that shouldn't have happened. It's hard to accept that he's gone. None of these crazy theories or conspiracies is going to bring him back. It's not helping people to heal and move on that's for sure.

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Sonshine said: "Andrew kornfeld was picked up from the airport after taking a red eye from the west coast and left at his hotel to freshen up. I don't believe it was reported that he went to sleep. And if I recall he made his way to PP alone and when no one answered the phone or the door at PP he contacted the asst and kirk who came to let him in."

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This is the first I've heard of this. If Andrew didn't go to the Hotel to sleep, then what would be the purpose of getting a hotel room?

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Is that a fact that Andrew went to PP on his own, or are you speculating?

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So, you are saying that Andrew had Kirks personal phone number and called him to meet him at PP?

Dibblekins said:

sonshine said:

There was nothing shady going on. Do any of you have any idea how stressful and frightening it is when you get to that level of desperation over the welfare of a loved one in the midst of an addiction? There are no easy answers. But you can't sit by any longer and watch the downward spiral so you take a huge risk by getting others involved. Professionals. Idk if Dr kornfeld is good at what he does or not, but that's who was obviously recommended. MN has treatment centers, some very well regarded and I wish prince and his people would have felt comfortable seeking help from them. I'm guessing privacy issues got in the way of that. I think his people were trying the best they could, the best any of us could, under the circumstsnces. And I'm sure they have been beating themselves up ever since about what they should have, or could have, done differently to save him. Andrew kornfeld was picked up from the airport after taking a red eye from the west coast and left at his hotel to freshen up. I don't believe it was reported that he went to sleep. And if I recall he made his way to PP alone and when no one answered the phone or the door at PP he contacted the asst and kirk who came to let him in. As far as the security cam eras they could have been off for a number of reasons. PP wasn't a prison. There was not a lot of Prince related activity around PP for some time. It's normally quiet there unless he would throw a random party at night. Back in the day PP was more hustling and bustling on a regular basis but not recently. Maybe the cameras were outdated. Maybe they only turned them on when he opened the place up to the public. Idk but I don't find it particularly strange. The entire facility is gated and locked. And it sits at a fairly busy intersection so it would be noticeable if there were any suspicious activity around the area. It's also patrolled by the county sheriff's deputies as well as city police officers. People are reading way too much into things that are insignificant then trying to make them significsnt.I wish he was still here too. It was a terrible tragedy that shouldn't have happened. It's hard to accept that he's gone. None of these crazy theories or conspiracies is going to bring him back. It's not helping people to heal and move on that's for sure.

I can't be certain but I am sure I read that he was collected and taken to PP - because when he made the 911 call, he didn't know the address and had to ask (if he had made his own way there, he would have already known the address / location).

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Dibble: Good point! If Andrew went to PP on his own, he would have known the address!! Thanks for pointing that out.

Dibblekins said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I remember reading that horrific story. Dr. Kornfeld is a horrible doctor! Prince would never associate with anyone like that. There are plenty of qualified doctors in and around Minneapolis, so why they contacted this freaky frankenstein, Lord only knows!!

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Pisses me off everytime I read "medical emergency", but no one bothered to get him to hospital or treatment facility, ASAP??!! They supposedly brought in Andrew Kornfeld to help Prince. Not sure how he was gonna help Prince, because he was not even a doctor, then Prince is found dead in the elevator. I hate saying the word "dead", but man, this really just sucks!!

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Everything surrounding Prince's death has "foul play" written all over it!!

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I hope the investigators cross every T and dot every I in this case!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3573031/Prince-tried-meet-doctor-death.html
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This article ^^^ says that 'Prince's representatives contacted him (Dr Kornfield) on April 20 with the musician's knowledge' - so, if that's to be believed, he was going with along with things, even if it was begrudgingly.

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I say 'begrudgingly' because the article goes on to say, 'Mauzy (the Kornfields' attorney) said Dr. Kornfeld hoped to get Prince "stabilized in Minnesota and convince him to come to Recovery Without Walls in Mill Valley. That was the plan"'.

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Prince evidently hadn't (yet) agreed to anything more than a visit / an assessment - so I still wonder if they (Andrew and the staff) had planned their intervention to take place in the morning rather than immediately upon AK's arrival because they hoped to take advantage of P being a bit less able to put up any resistance at a time at which he'd normally be sleeping?

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OR, had P done a really, really good job of convincing them all that he was managing just fine - and so a few extra hours wouldn't make any difference (which does make the description 'grave medical emergency' sound like lawyer-speak)...

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[Edited 10/30/16 9:44am]

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I appreciate the points you are making, but I still think that it was a poor choice to call some doctor in CA, and not someone in MN. Andrew Kornfeld is not even a doctor and shouldn't have been there. I'm not sure why they went about things the way they did, but it is what it is, like they say. It's all water over the damn now.

zenarose said:

Tyka is a recovering addict/alcoholic. She knows how treatment works. Surely she would know what

needed to be done and who to contact. Instead, "staffers" call California. Dr. K should have

contacted someone in MN and started the ball rolling right then. No time to waste, if it was indeed a

grave medical emergency. There is no excuse, not privacy, nothing, if a life is in danger.

***********

MEDICAL EMERGENCY: an accute injury or illness that poses an immediate risk to a person's life or

long-time health.

***********

There was absolutely no reason to send AK especially with a controlled substance. They have tried

to push that under the rug hoping that they can keep him from being charged with POCS. Even if P

had been alive, first of all AK was in possession of a controlled substance, second he couldn't have

administered it, not even under the Samaritan Law. Why?? because he had committed a felony

already!! So what they are saying is that AK flew all the way from CA to be a "good samaritan"

while in the commission of a felony.

***********

GOOD SAMARITAN LAW: generally provides basic legal protection for those who assist a person who

is injured or in danger. In esscence, protect the"good samaritan" from liability if

unintended consequences result from their assistance.

***********

AK should not have even been there, but since he was as soon as the flight landed he should have

been picked up and taken to PP. Think about it. AK goes to a hotel and is not due at PP til the next

morning. P is left alone overnight. A grave medical ER?? How does the GSL apply? There was no

assistance provided.

I'd like to know what TN's part was in all this. Was she in the loop?

[Edited 10/30/16 7:30am]

[Edited 10/30/16 7:51am]

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Hi Zena!

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I could not agree with you more!! You are spot-on, Girl!!

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I just don't understand how people think there was not something shady going on, but oh well. What can you do?

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Dibblekins said:

zenarose said:

DIBS: I hear what you're saying. My mind is constantly analyizing. It is all confusing and you can't

get a straight story, everything is contradiction. I'm stuck because Prince said "don't believe the

media" and "wait a few days before you waste any prayers"

But the media had been saying he had the FLU up until his death - so was he suggesting he didn't have flu? Or was he anticipating that rumours of him being a drug addict (or a victim of AIDS) would surface and was warning against believing those rumours? Maybe he was aware that someone in his camp would let on about him having Narcan shots (even though we know now that they're not necessarily used for overdoses) and was preparing the ground?

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Certainly the latter comment ('Wait a few days, etc etc') was a sign of foreboding...Does it mean that he knew he didn't have long left, and was fully resigned to it? Or was it just turn of phrase which took on a really unfortunate meaning?

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Until we get some more snippets re WHEN / WHERE / HOW he got hold of those pills (which I can't see being any time soon, if the investigation is active and following up suspicious leads) OR one of those closest to him starts revealing a bit more about P's state of health / mind, I can't see any way in which we're going to get any further with our own thoughts on the matter...
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I believe that he had made mention of the flu himself on Twitter. I'm sure he thought/knew that the media would have a free for all especially TMZ as they have not been sweet in the past. He may have meant unless it came from him don't believe anything. The wait a few days may have been saying that he would be fine and not to waste prayers thinking it was serious. No one can be sure.

cloveringold85 said:

Dibblekins said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3573031/Prince-tried-meet-doctor-death.html
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This article ^^^ says that 'Prince's representatives contacted him (Dr Kornfield) on April 20 with the musician's knowledge' - so, if that's to be believed, he was going with along with things, even if it was begrudgingly.

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I say 'begrudgingly' because the article goes on to say, 'Mauzy (the Kornfields' attorney) said Dr. Kornfeld hoped to get Prince "stabilized in Minnesota and convince him to come to Recovery Without Walls in Mill Valley. That was the plan"'.

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Prince evidently hadn't (yet) agreed to anything more than a visit / an assessment - so I still wonder if they (Andrew and the staff) had planned their intervention to take place in the morning rather than immediately upon AK's arrival because they hoped to take advantage of P being a bit less able to put up any resistance at a time at which he'd normally be sleeping?

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OR, had P done a really, really good job of convincing them all that he was managing just fine - and so a few extra hours wouldn't make any difference (which does make the description 'grave medical emergency' sound like lawyer-speak)...

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I appreciate the points you are making, but I still think that it was a poor choice to call some doctor in CA, and not someone in MN. Andrew Kornfeld is not even a doctor and shouldn't have been there. I'm not sure why they went about things the way they did, but it is what it is, like they say. It's all water over the damn now.

I hear you, Clover - it's really, really unfortunate...However, given Ms Lamkins's involvement in P getting his masters back, maybe he (and his staff) trusted her to know someone who would be an appropriate choice for him / his situation?

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Maybe he only even agreed to MEET the Kornfields because they were out of state? Maybe Ms Lamkins chose them because their clinic offers out-patient care (albeit in California) as opposed to P having to go and STAY in a (local) facility (which he undoubtedly would have refused)?
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zenarose said:

muleFunk said:

What is really strange about the whole "intervention" story is the fact that Prince expires from a pill that was Fentanyl. He didn't know that the pill contained Fentanyl.

I have no problem with the Prince became dependent on pain killers and accdentally overdosed story but the narrative does not fit what we were told.

I wouldn't have a problem with it IF he in fact had an addiction. But the reason I don't believe it is because of Prince himself disclaiming drug use for all these years. Totally against it. There has not been one associate to say that P had a drug problem, in fact it is the complete opposite. Not Even TN has said such a thing. No news reports or any other source stating that P had anything to do with drug use in all these years. April is when all the drug crap started, when P could no longer defend himself. (And the Enquirer printed their crap) There are folks that believe all the news sources. The stories change too much, the stories don't test well for truth, and even though false statements are made there are no retractions. So I guess all get a free pass for not telling the truth. There are huge holes in this case. The only thing I think I know is that Prince has passed. There is an Official Media Release from the ME. I just don't understand the "self administered accidental" how did the ME come to that conclusion? And Fentanyl? None in his system 24 hours prior, and not a long time user?

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You tell it, Sista!!

muleFunk said:

What is really strange about the whole "intervention" story is the fact that Prince expires from a pill that was Fentanyl. He didn't know that the pill contained Fentanyl.

I have no problem with the Prince became dependent on pain killers and accdentally overdosed story but the narrative does not fit what we were told.

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I totally agree with you!!

MMJas said:

zenarose said:

Tyka is a recovering addict/alcoholic. She knows how treatment works. Surely she would know what

needed to be done and who to contact. Instead, "staffers" call California. Dr. K should have

contacted someone in MN and started the ball rolling right then. No time to waste, if it was indeed a

grave medical emergency. There is no excuse, not privacy, nothing, if a life is in danger.

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MEDICAL EMERGENCY: an accute injury or illness that poses an immediate risk to a person's life or

long-time health.

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There was absolutely no reason to send AK especially with a controlled substance. They have tried

to push that under the rug hoping that they can keep him from being charged with POCS. Even if P

had been alive, first of all AK was in possession of a controlled substance, second he couldn't have

administered it, not even under the Samaritan Law. Why?? because he had committed a felony

already!! So what they are saying is that AK flew all the way from CA to be a "good samaritan"

while in the commission of a felony.

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GOOD SAMARITAN LAW: generally provides basic legal protection for those who assist a person who

is injured or in danger. In esscence, protect the"good samaritan" from liability if

unintended consequences result from their assistance.

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AK should not have even been there, but since he was as soon as the flight landed he should have

been picked up and taken to PP. Think about it. AK goes to a hotel and is not due at PP til the next

morning. P is left alone overnight. A grave medical ER?? How does the GSL apply? There was no

assistance provided.

I'd like to know what TN's part was in all this. Was she in the loop?

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Unless AK was waiting for Prince's doctor, who would be arriving in the morning, so as to not be committing any illegality. Thatcould explain the not going straight to PP. Although, as a medical student, he should have realized that that medical emergency might have required immediate assistance.

Perhaps AK was told by reps Prince would be ok for the night. Also, where did Prince go, to be left at PP around 8 pm? His cousin would not say when he last saw him. Could he have been with him?

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I agree with you. They did not handle the situation like it was a grave medical emergency.

cloveringold85 said:

zenarose said:

Tyka is a recovering addict/alcoholic. She knows how treatment works. Surely she would know what

needed to be done and who to contact. Instead, "staffers" call California. Dr. K should have

contacted someone in MN and started the ball rolling right then. No time to waste, if it was indeed a

grave medical emergency. There is no excuse, not privacy, nothing, if a life is in danger.

***********

MEDICAL EMERGENCY: an accute injury or illness that poses an immediate risk to a person's life or

long-time health.

***********

There was absolutely no reason to send AK especially with a controlled substance. They have tried

to push that under the rug hoping that they can keep him from being charged with POCS. Even if P

had been alive, first of all AK was in possession of a controlled substance, second he couldn't have

administered it, not even under the Samaritan Law. Why?? because he had committed a felony

already!! So what they are saying is that AK flew all the way from CA to be a "good samaritan"

while in the commission of a felony.

***********

GOOD SAMARITAN LAW: generally provides basic legal protection for those who assist a person who

is injured or in danger. In esscence, protect the"good samaritan" from liability if

unintended consequences result from their assistance.

***********

AK should not have even been there, but since he was as soon as the flight landed he should have

been picked up and taken to PP. Think about it. AK goes to a hotel and is not due at PP til the next

morning. P is left alone overnight. A grave medical ER?? How does the GSL apply? There was no

assistance provided.

I'd like to know what TN's part was in all this. Was she in the loop?

[Edited 10/30/16 7:30am]

[Edited 10/30/16 7:51am]

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Hi Zena!

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I could not agree with you more!! You are spot-on, Girl!!

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I just don't understand how people think there was not something shady going on, but oh well. What can you do?

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CLOVER!!!!

Dibblekins said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I appreciate the points you are making, but I still think that it was a poor choice to call some doctor in CA, and not someone in MN. Andrew Kornfeld is not even a doctor and shouldn't have been there. I'm not sure why they went about things the way they did, but it is what it is, like they say. It's all water over the damn now.

I hear you, Clover - it's really, really unfortunate...However, given Ms Lamkins's involvement in P getting his masters back, maybe he (and his staff) trusted her to know someone who would be an appropriate choice for him / his situation?

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Maybe he only even agreed to MEET the Kornfields because they were out of state? Maybe Ms Lamkins chose them because their clinic offers out-patient care (albeit in California) as opposed to P having to go and STAY in a (local) facility (which he undoubtedly would have refused)?
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Everything you said could just very well have been the case. We don't know what their mind-set was at the time or why they chose to handle things the way they did. I'm sure all of this has been nothing but a complete nightmare for all involved. My heart goes out to them.

cloveringold85 said:

Dibblekins said:

I hear you, Clover - it's really, really unfortunate...However, given Ms Lamkins's involvement in P getting his masters back, maybe he (and his staff) trusted her to know someone who would be an appropriate choice for him / his situation?

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Maybe he only even agreed to MEET the Kornfields because they were out of state? Maybe Ms Lamkins chose them because their clinic offers out-patient care (albeit in California) as opposed to P having to go and STAY in a (local) facility (which he undoubtedly would have refused)?
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Everything you said could just very well have been the case. We don't know what their mind-set was at the time or why they chose to handle things the way they did. I'm sure all of this has been nothing but a complete nightmare for all involved. My heart goes out to them.

They're under no obligation to speak out - but I sincerely wish they would clarify things...Maybe they will, once the investigation has reached a certain point..?

zenarose said:

muleFunk said:

What is really strange about the whole "intervention" story is the fact that Prince expires from a pill that was Fentanyl. He didn't know that the pill contained Fentanyl.

I have no problem with the Prince became dependent on pain killers and accdentally overdosed story but the narrative does not fit what we were told.

I wouldn't have a problem with it IF he in fact had an addiction. But the reason I don't believe it is because of Prince himself disclaiming drug use for all these years. Totally against it. There has not been one associate to say that P had a drug problem, in fact it is the complete opposite. Not Even TN has said such a thing. No news reports or any other source stating that P had anything to do with drug use in all these years. April is when all the drug crap started, when P could no longer defend himself. (And the Enquirer printed their crap) There are folks that believe all the news sources. The stories change too much, the stories don't test well for truth, and even though false statements are made there are no retractions. So I guess all get a free pass for not telling the truth. There are huge holes in this case. The only thing I think I know is that Prince has passed. There is an Official Media Release from the ME. I just don't understand the "self administered accidental" how did the ME come to that conclusion? And Fentanyl? None in his system 24 hours prior, and not a long time user?

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When i heard for the first time of opiates addiction narrative, i felt something don't fit. And one day i read for one other drug and in adverse effects i read "midriasis". The opposite of midriasis is "miosis". It is adverse effect of all opiates with very few exeptions. I looked at every foto of P i could find from 2015 and 2016 and didn't see constricted puppils, exept few with very bright studio light. I believe in my eyes and what i know about meds. This man was not addicted for sure. So i don't just believe in addiction version, i know it's not true.

I agree with you CLOVER and DIBS. You can look at this from so many different angles. The trick is

being able to discuss it and be able to see other's points of view. After all we all are looking for the

same thing. Truth. And none of us have any set in stone proof of anything. We are here discussing

and not beating each other up. LOL I don't know you personally but I respect you

greatly and your opinions matter to me. I'm glad all yall and me are purple fam.

zenarose said:

I agree with you CLOVER and DIBS. You can look at this from so many different angles. The trick is

being able to discuss it and be able to see other's points of view. After all we all are looking for the

same thing. Truth. And none of us have any set in stone proof of anything. We are here discussing

and not beating each other up. LOL I don't know you personally but I respect you

greatly and your opinions matter to me. I'm glad all yall and me are purple fam.

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Zena: Awww, that was so sweet. Big hugs, and to you too, Dibs!

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I'm glad there are a few of us who are mature enough to respect each other's opinions and we can all get along, which is what Prince would want.

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Like you said, Zena; we are all here for the same thing; the truth.