tmo1965 said:

oliviacamron said:

Dibblekins said: Oh my God ! You all must listen starting around 10:30 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So this is in Toronto March 2016. Prince starts singing really creepy" YOU KNOW YOU LEFT ME". THEN HE STARTS SINGING ABOUT KIRK ! THEY WERE IN CONFLICT!!!!!

You're interpreting the song wrong. The song is about a woman who is using a man. Here is a copy of the relevant original verse as Bill Withers sang it:

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My brother sit me right down and he talked to me
He told me that I ought not to let you just walk on me
And I'm sure he meant well
Yeah, but when our talk was through
I said, brother, if you only knew
You'd wish that you were in my shoes
You just keep on using me
Until you use me up
Until you use me up

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Prince inseted Kirk's name where it was originally brother in the song. Prince is only saying that Kirk sat down to talk to him about this woman using Prince. There is nothing sinister at all.

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So, you think Prince was speaking to Kirk about a woman in his life that was using him?

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Whoa......well, Prince had many women in his life. If that was the case, I wonder WHO he was referring to? He was with Judith Hill on the plane, and was hanging around Damaris Lewis quite often.

zenarose said:

http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/news/2016/10/26/jay-z-offers-40m-for-princes-unreleased-tracks.html

SMDH

*********** Added another link

http://djbooth.net/news/entry/2016-10-26-jay-z-save-tidal-prince-

musichttp://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2016/09/14/jay-z-gets-drenched-tidal-music-service/90350150/

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OH HELL NO!! Jay Z?? I knew this was gonna happen, I just knew it!!

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I've been saying all along that Jay Z set Prince up to put his music on Tidal......and now this!!!!

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The authorities need to investigate Jay Z!!

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Okay, this is getting my Irish up.........I need to calm down!!

cloveringold85 said:

I sooooo agree with you!!

cloveringold85 said:

I thought I listen to this very very closely and Prince was referring to Kirk but I shall listen again and again

cloveringold85 said:

I thought TMZ was not a "trusted" source. This article from djbooth.net was sourced from TMZ. Re the following statement (4th paragraph):
As reported by TMZ, sources close to Prince's family have revealed that Jay has made a $40 million dollar bid for what is hidden in the vault.

So, is it a reliable source or not? Just tryin' ta figure out the rules.....

tmo1965 said:

I applaud your efforts at logical thinking tmo1965.....but alas, I feel there is no use in trying.

NotACleverName said:

cloveringold85 said:

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OH HELL NO!! Jay Z?? I knew this was gonna happen, I just knew it!!

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I've been saying all along that Jay Z set Prince up to put his music on Tidal......and now this!!!!

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The authorities need to investigate Jay Z!!

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Okay, this is getting my Irish up.........I need to calm down!!

I thought TMZ was not a "trusted" source. This article from djbooth.net was sourced from TMZ. Re the following statement (4th paragraph): As reported by TMZ, sources close to Prince's family have revealed that Jay has made a $40 million dollar bid for what is hidden in the vault. So, is it a reliable source or not? Just tryin' ta figure out the rules.....

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True.....it's TMZ, but this just proves that they are all in cahoots!!

bigtimefan said:

I just came across this photo. Perhaps it's been discussed before.

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What is wrong with Prince's wrist?

cloveringold85 said:

TMZ seems to have a few unnamed sources
And they get to report it as fact....even when it doesn't always check out.

Still have a ? On how TMZ knew to be at the walgreens to get that pic....did KJ call them too or did he just call StarTrib? Seems who ever tipped them off was trying to set up the drug narritave.

ETA..the last question wasn't directed at anyone, just got me wondering
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cloveringold85 said:

bigtimefan said:

I just came across this photo. Perhaps it's been discussed before.

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What is wrong with Prince's wrist?

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That's not the best Pic of Prince. I see what you are referring to (wrist). I think it could just be the angle the picture was taken in. His wrist bone appears to be protruding, but some people have naturally bigger wrist bones. I would have to match this one up with other pics to see if there is a difference.

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I found this pic from Purple Rain era. You can see his wrist bone quite clearly here. I think that is just how his wrist looked:

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PurpleDiamonds1 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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True.....it's TMZ, but this just proves that they are all in cahoots!!

TMZ seems to have a few unnamed sources And they get to report it as fact....even when it doesn't always check out. Still have a ? On how TMZ knew to be at the walgreens to get that pic....did KJ call them too or did he just call StarTrib? Seems who ever tipped them off was trying to set up the drug narritave. ETA..the last question wasn't directed at anyone, just got me wondering [Edited 10/26/16 13:17pm]

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TMZ are the leaders in the dumbing down of Americans! Nothing they say is credible. It's always an "unnamed" source.

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TMZ knows what's going down, because obviously there is someone who is in cahoots with them, and feeding them all of this information.

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This is the generation of misinformation and disinformation.

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cloveringold85 said:

precioux said:

Where is the evidence that the security camers were turned off? Did I miss this? Because in ST on 4/21(22?) the Sheriff clearly stated that "THEY HAD THE SURVEILLANCE FOOTAGE" in their possession....was it later stated that surveillance was off?

If so,that, in and of itself is suspicious. to state that they have the footage, then possibly somewhere down the line that the cameras were off?

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Well, the story about the security being turned off has changed several times, since this all happened. I think it was the National Enquirer who said there was "footage", but I think their story was all B.S.

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Several "unknown" sources said the security system was turned-off, and also that Prince's assistant (I can't think of her name), was responsible for setting-up an intervention for Prince the next day. Now, we don't know if that is true either, because Prince already had an appointment with a holistic doctor on that day and his regular doctor was bringing him results from his blood tests.

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Sherriff Olson stated on 4/22 that they had pulled surveillance footage (that this was "normal protocol")and were going to be looking at it...I just can't figure out how to post the link.

cloveringold85 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

cloveringold85 said: TMZ seems to have a few unnamed sources And they get to report it as fact....even when it doesn't always check out. Still have a ? On how TMZ knew to be at the walgreens to get that pic....did KJ call them too or did he just call StarTrib? Seems who ever tipped them off was trying to set up the drug narritave. ETA..the last question wasn't directed at anyone, just got me wondering [Edited 10/26/16 13:17pm]

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TMZ are the leaders in the dumbing down of Americans! Nothing they say is credible. It's always an "unnamed" source.

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TMZ knows what's going down, because obviously there is someone who is in cahoots with them, and feeding them all of this information.

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This is the generation of misinformation and disinformation.

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Tmz is in cahoots with someone...they're OWNED BY WARNER BROTHERS

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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True.....it's TMZ, but this just proves that they are all in cahoots!!

TMZ seems to have a few unnamed sources And they get to report it as fact....even when it doesn't always check out. Still have a ? On how TMZ knew to be at the walgreens to get that pic....did KJ call them too or did he just call StarTrib? Seems who ever tipped them off was trying to set up the drug narritave. ETA..the last question wasn't directed at anyone, just got me wondering [Edited 10/26/16 13:17pm]

Absolutely!! How the heck did they know about the plane landing in Moline? Was someone sitting at

the airport waiting on him?? They were first to report you know! I don't think Kirk called anyone.

The ST texted KJ and he texted back. But really.... Why would ST have his phone #?? And be

friendly enough to text?? I don't think P had a love for the ST.

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oliviacamron said:

This finding needs its own thread , someone please who can post links!!! Also, anyone familiar with the Facebook page " Prince Getting 2 the Truth" , please let them know about this video. I can't because they banned me for telling them to come out of hiding and reveal who they are .( they was saying Prince told the personally that he wanted to be buried in the egg, and that's when I told them to make his wish known and come out the closet). And so, I was banned. AnY way, back to the video, let's get it out before it's gone !!!

That is the worst fear-mongering, shit-slinging Facebook page ever. You should be glad you were banned, whoever owns that page thrives on upsetting fans and creating un-needed chaos.

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TMO is correct that THESE are Bill Withers's lyrics:
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My brother sit me right down and he talked to me
He told me that I ought not to let you just walk on me
And I'm sure he meant well
Yeah, but when our talk was through
I said, brother, if you only knew
You'd wish that you were in my shoes
You just keep on using me
Until you use me up
Until you use me up
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However, Prince changes them in more ways than simply adding the name Kirk. He seems to omit certain words / phrases, as illustrated here:
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BW version: 'He told me that I ought not to let you just walk on me'
(which would indeed be brotherly advice)
P version: 'He told me, "I'm not gonna let you just walk on me"'
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BW version: 'I'm sure he meant well'
P version: 'I'm sure he meant it...Yes he did'.
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The following are definitely the words Prince sings - and you can see that the inference is very different to the original version:
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'I think his name was Kirk
He sat me right down and he talked to me.

He told me, "I'm not gonna let you just walk on me"
And I'm sure...I'm sure he meant it...Yes he did.

When our talk was through,
I said, "Brother...If you only knew...You wish you was in my shoes
Just keep on using me
Until you use me up'.

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zenarose said:

True!!
Hope a detective is asking who was tipping off TMZ...
Iit is odd that the Star Trib texted him KJ was not his PR person or I thought he was not. Maybe JH had TMZ as a contact? Or who ever was sending P those threats was very close and watching and reporting.

NotACleverName said:

I applaud your efforts at logical thinking tmo1965......but alas, I feel there is no use in trying.

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I applaud your efforts at being rude in a roundabout way - but, as you can see, the lyrics originally written by Mr Withers are NOT the ones subsequently utilised by Prince. Similar, but not the same - and the resultant inference thereof is very different.

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That's not to say you / TMO are wrong, but to say that my transcription of the lyrics is '(il)logical' is illogical in itself, because the transcription is accurate. A similarly accurate interpretation of those lyrics is tricky, however - probably exactly as Prince intended...
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Dibblekins said:

Yes Prince was telling us something there no doubt!
Wasn't Dr S KJs dr? Strange P then went and saw him a couple of weeks after this show.

cloveringold85 said:

After listening 5 times, Prince wasn't referring to KJ I'm relieved

oliviacamron said:

cloveringold85 said:

After listening 5 times, Prince wasn't referring to KJ I'm relieved

What are you hearing, Olivia?

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I've compared the two sets of lyrics a couple of posts above this one, and I'm curious to see what your interpretation is...

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NotACleverName said:

I was wrong

oliviacamron said:

I was wrong

Please scroll UP, Olivia! Thanks!

Mumio said:

I know they were WRONG about one thing but I don't know. I don't go on there much because I'm always here

Dibblekins said:

Well, Dibblekins, you are inferring something within my text. I was simply letting tmo1965 know that a differing opinion is not going to be considered or received in the way that was intended. And, yes, it is a lost cause. I'll explain why.

I have noticed that when a particular article is noted by the conspiracy theorists, with the intent to "support" claims of someone/thing apparently "out to get/murder Prince" & that is disputed (with a link, no less) it is either ignored or refuted with a "personal" opinion. Or, "I'll see if I can find it" & nothing is ever found to support a statement. This has happened time & time again. I have also asked for sources to show that the sec sys was OFF during the critical time on the eve/morn of this illicit activity (mentioned multiple times to further the agenda of murder) & none have been provided. Why not?

I have asked this before & will pose the ques again: what is the point of all this detective work? Subtly accusing family, friends &/or associates of questionable activity (I feel this is right on the precipice of slander). What is the outcome you hope to achieve by posting the same thing over & over on multiple threads?

You know what, people are going to believe whatever they want/find things that aren't there, but, sometimes things just are what they are...there is no hidden agenda, no ulterior motive.

OLIVIACAMRON: What are you hearing when you watch the video? What were you wrong about??

zenarose said:

I think Prince is saying that Kirk sat him down and told PRINCE a girl was walking all over Prince. It also sounds like Kirk sat Prince down and told him( Prince) that he can't walk all over him ( Kirk,). It's hard to understand at first but I think Prince is singing about a girl using him, not Kirk. Girl , i was about to call the sheriff in Chanhassen and tell them about this

oliviacamron said:

Mumio said:

That is the worst fear-mongering, shit-slinging Facebook page ever. You should be glad you were banned, whoever owns that page thrives on upsetting fans and creating un-needed chaos.

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I know they were WRONG about one thing but I don't know. I don't go on there much because I'm always here

They are wrong about many things but the purpose of that page is to create constant chaos, worry, anger, and mayhem. Other people who post here have been banned from that page for trying to correct incorrect information the owner is passing along as "truth" to people. The owner of the page deletes posts and bans if you continue to try to change the storyline they want to feed the fans. I've had posts deleted but haven't been banned....yet. I also think the owner culls information from the org and posts here too.

tmo1965 said:

oliviacamron said:

Dibblekins said: Oh my God ! You all must listen starting around 10:30 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So this is in Toronto March 2016. Prince starts singing really creepy" YOU KNOW YOU LEFT ME". THEN HE STARTS SINGING ABOUT KIRK ! THEY WERE IN CONFLICT!!!!!

You're interpreting the song wrong. The song is about a woman who is using a man. Here is a copy of the relevant original verse as Bill Withers sang it:

.

My brother sit me right down and he talked to me
He told me that I ought not to let you just walk on me
And I'm sure he meant well
Yeah, but when our talk was through
I said, brother, if you only knew
You'd wish that you were in my shoes
You just keep on using me
Until you use me up
Until you use me up

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Prince inseted Kirk's name where it was originally brother in the song. Prince is only saying that Kirk sat down to talk to him about this woman using Prince. There is nothing sinister at all.

I listened over 7 times then I sent it to a friend who has the ability to pull the vocals out from the music. He is definitely using Withers' lyrics, just inserted Kirk in for "brother". Stop the witch hunt on KJ, if there is foul play, every one is missing the clues because they are clearly so hyperfocused on Kirk. I can't imagine how grieved Prince would be to read all the allegations and suspicions against his closest friend. Kirk was closer to than any sibling, family member or other employee. I know we're all hurting and desperately want answers but its disturbing to see how easily people are to jump into full assumption and persecution mode against a man. And I seriously doubt Judith or any woman was using Prince- like he said "You play me, you play yourself" He was nobody's fool.

NotACleverName said:

Dibblekins said:

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I applaud your efforts at being rude in a roundabout way - but, as you can see, the lyrics originally written by Mr Withers are NOT the ones subsequently utilised by Prince. Similar, but not the same - and the resultant inference thereof is very different.

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That's not to say you / TMO are wrong, but to say that my transcription of the lyrics is '(il)logical' is illogical in itself, because the transcription is accurate. A similarly accurate interpretation of those lyrics is tricky, however - probably exactly as Prince intended...
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Well, Dibblekins, you are inferring something within my text. I was simply letting tmo1965 know that a differing opinion is not going to be considered or received in the way that was intended. And, yes, it is a lost cause. I'll explain why. I have noticed that when a particular article is noted by the conspiracy theorists, with the intent to "support" claims of someone/thing apparently "out to get/murder Prince" & that is disputed (with a link, no less) it is either ignored or refuted with a "personal" opinion. Or, "I'll see if I can find it" & nothing is ever found to support a statement. This has happened time & time again. I have also asked for sources to show that the sec sys was OFF during the critical time on the eve/morn of this illicit activity (mentioned multiple times to further the agenda of murder) & none have been provided. Why not? I have asked this before & will pose the ques again: what is the point of all this detective work? Subtly accusing family, friends &/or associates of questionable activity (I feel this is right on the precipice of slander). What is the outcome you hope to achieve by posting the same thing over & over on multiple threads? You know what, people are going to believe whatever they want/find things that aren't there, but, sometimes things just are what they are...there is no hidden agenda, no ulterior motive.

You asked a question about the CCTV being off. Someone replied tp you in Reply # 137. There was a statement issued by the CCSO stating that they would review any video. If there are other links that you need let me know and I will be happy to help you find them.