laurarichardson said:

Mumio said:

I knew about this but I'm not buying it. I seriously doubt SHE knows the real story.

See her comments below.

https://www.facebook.com/lala.escarzega/posts/981437251903797.

and her recent post. Not sure what gossip or rumors she is speaking of.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BNGY1TmDFAI/

lalaescarzega"Girl Thang"- Prince gifted this song to me after a night I jokingly asked him to sing me to sleep. I had also told him his photo he sent me made me swoon & I love how he made the lyrics so personal so only he and I would "get it". He gave this song to me the very next night. There is also an instrumental of this that he gave me and I have no idea if it was ever released or not.
I've been keeping a very low profile off of social media. This year was full of hard hits for me and instead of paying attention to gossip and rumors with my name in it, I choose to keep to myself and let misery find it's own company. People can say what they want, (and they do) and will say anything to harm you when it involves association with a well known artist. But I say that there is nothing that could hurt me as much as not having him here which is why I pay attention to absolutely nothing anyone says. ✌🏽️👉🏽 Find love. Find light.

Thanks Laura, I'd seen all of it already. She's just looking for attention like several of the others have been, but I think she knows even less than they do.

PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Also keep in mind that was not the "full" autopsy report.

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Prince wasn't given a Narcan shot when he was found at PP. Also, what is puzzling is the fact that Andrew Kornfeld told 911 that Prince was DEAD, yet they said paramedics tried to resucitate him? Paramedics/Medical Responders do not perform CPR on a person who is not breathing!!

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Foul play, foul play, I say!!

They didn't give him the Narcan in the elevator because he was already gone. Sometimes Paramedics do try to resucitate people, but they had stated that it was of no use since he was probably dead for up to 5-6 hours. Kornfeld (being unattached to Prince) probably realized that he was gone, while everyone else there was going out of their minds, and understandably so.

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It happened with my Grandpa, he fell out of his chair dead, my grandma called the ambulance and they came and resuscitate him. My dad called me and said that grandpa had passed, then called about an hour later and said that he was in intensive care on life support. He didn't make it thru the day. There was too much brain damage by lack of oxygen and the paramedics just really prolonged it, but at least it gave my family time to say goodbye to him.

Just curious...are you sure about that? the reason I'm questioning is because I thought I had read somewhere that in that area (Chanhassen) the Narcan shot was not available yet to EMT's and that they are trying to implement it. I do agree that P was dead for 5-6 hours and it would have been a moot issue anyway. Just wondering if Narcan is available there?(being you posted that it was stated)

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

They didn't give him the Narcan in the elevator because he was already gone. Sometimes Paramedics do try to resucitate people, but they had stated that it was of no use since he was probably dead for up to 5-6 hours. Kornfeld (being unattached to Prince) probably realized that he was gone, while everyone else there was going out of their minds, and understandably so.

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It happened with my Grandpa, he fell out of his chair dead, my grandma called the ambulance and they came and resuscitate him. My dad called me and said that grandpa had passed, then called about an hour later and said that he was in intensive care on life support. He didn't make it thru the day. There was too much brain damage by lack of oxygen and the paramedics just really prolonged it, but at least it gave my family time to say goodbye to him.

Just curious...are you sure about that? the reason I'm questioning is because I thought I had read somewhere that in that area (Chanhassen) the Narcan shot was not available yet to EMT's and that they are trying to implement it. I do agree that P was dead for 5-6 hours and it would have been a moot issue anyway. Just wondering if Narcan is available there?(being you posted that it was stated)

I don't know if they have Narcan on them or not. The part of my statement that you underlined and bolded, was about the CPR.

PennyPurple said:

precioux said:

Just curious...are you sure about that? the reason I'm questioning is because I thought I had read somewhere that in that area (Chanhassen) the Narcan shot was not available yet to EMT's and that they are trying to implement it. I do agree that P was dead for 5-6 hours and it would have been a moot issue anyway. Just wondering if Narcan is available there?(being you posted that it was stated)

I don't know if they have Narcan on them or not. The part of my statement that you underlined and bolded, was about the CPR.

The reason for that part being underlined is bc that's where you posted "it was stated"...that's all. To which I was curious whether or not that was fact and if Chanhassen has Narcan implemented with their EMT responders. And if they didn't have Narcan implemented, even if P was still alive, not sure they could have saved him

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

I don't know if they have Narcan on them or not. The part of my statement that you underlined and bolded, was about the CPR.

The reason for that part being underlined is bc that's where you posted "it was stated"...that's all. To which I was curious whether or not that was fact and if Chanhassen has Narcan implemented with their EMT responders. And if they didn't have Narcan implemented, even if P was still alive, not sure they could have saved him

It was stated that CPR didn't work, because he was already gone.

And I don't remember where I read that at. I'll try to find it for you.

NotACleverName said:

cloveringold85 said:

Lenny Kravitz and Prince have been friends since Lenny released "Let Love Rule", late 1989. In my opinion, he was most likely privy to more personal details about Prince's life than we, Prince's fans, have ever been. I think he, LK, was/is in some deep emotional pain. An interesting paragraph in the RS article, with Lenny Kravitz, after Prince's death reads as follows: I saw him so much, in and out, that I can't remember the last time we spoke. I heard about the plane landing the other week. And I knew what it was. I thought, "Okay, he dodged a bullet. Close call, but it's a one-off and we move on." And then a week later, I got the news. It knocked me really out. I still haven't really recovered. Not to be dramatic or overly sensitive, but I really feel like a piece of me died. It's a very interesting article.....while his pain is almost palpable, he does include a few lighthearted moments that they shared. Link here: http://www.rollingstone.c...d-20160427

^^^This! ...This is the only time someone stated straight up that they "knew". There is a radio interview from the day P died where LK stated he "thought he knew"....but in this separate RS article/interview LK straight up states "he knew"....then my antennae went up when all the tributes were being done, and with as close as P and LK was, LK did not participate in any of them. Kinda made me wonder if he had been shunned or if he was upset bc he "knew" what happened and didn't want to have anything to do with the tributes.

He is supposedly slated to perform in 4/17 at PP...we'll see.

PennyPurple said:

precioux said:

The reason for that part being underlined is bc that's where you posted "it was stated"...that's all. To which I was curious whether or not that was fact and if Chanhassen has Narcan implemented with their EMT responders. And if they didn't have Narcan implemented, even if P was still alive, not sure they could have saved him

It was stated that CPR didn't work, because he was already gone.

And I don't remember where I read that at. I'll try to find it for you.

No worries...I'm not a big stickler for "show me the proof"...lol.

....but it does bring up the question of if P was already gone for 5-6 hours ....isn't it not only against EMT protocol, but possibly against the law to try to perfom CPR (which was clearly stated in the 911 call that it was being administed) to a person that I'm sure by that point had CLEAR signs of lividity...

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precioux said:

No worries...I'm not a big stickler for "show me the proof"...lol.

....but it does bring up the question of if P was already gone for 5-6 hours ....isn't it not only against EMT protocol, but possibly against the law to try to perfom CPR (which was clearly stated in the 911 call that it was being administed) to a person that I'm sure by that point had CLEAR signs of lividity...

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I don't know if it is against potocol or illegal?? I don't think they knew at the time it was 5-6 hours did they?

PennyPurple said:

precioux said:

No worries...I'm not a big stickler for "show me the proof"...lol.

....but it does bring up the question of if P was already gone for 5-6 hours ....isn't it not only against EMT protocol, but possibly against the law to try to perfom CPR (which was clearly stated in the 911 call that it was being administed) to a person that I'm sure by that point had CLEAR signs of lividity...

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I don't know if it is against potocol or illegal?? I don't think they knew at the time it was 5-6 hours did they?

Believe me....EMT's know approximately what time someone has passed by several different "indicators"..i.e. lividity, rigormortis may set in....and for those reasons apart and of themselves, I KNOW EMT's are not allowed to perform CPR if any of the indicators are present....so why state on a 911 call they were performing CPR???...I think I'm going to look up or make a call and find out exactly what indicators need to be present in order to not even ATTEMPT CPR

precioux said:

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

They didn't give him the Narcan in the elevator because he was already gone. Sometimes Paramedics do try to resucitate people, but they had stated that it was of no use since he was probably dead for up to 5-6 hours. Kornfeld (being unattached to Prince) probably realized that he was gone, while everyone else there was going out of their minds, and understandably so.

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It happened with my Grandpa, he fell out of his chair dead, my grandma called the ambulance and they came and resuscitate him. My dad called me and said that grandpa had passed, then called about an hour later and said that he was in intensive care on life support. He didn't make it thru the day. There was too much brain damage by lack of oxygen and the paramedics just really prolonged it, but at least it gave my family time to say goodbye to him.

Just curious...are you sure about that? the reason I'm questioning is because I thought I had read somewhere that in that area (Chanhassen) the Narcan shot was not available yet to EMT's and that they are trying to implement it. I do agree that P was dead for 5-6 hours and it would have been a moot issue anyway. Just wondering if Narcan is available there?(being you posted that it was stated)

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All I know is from the reports which stated Prince was given Narcan in Moline. However, it was reported that Prince was not given Narcan when he was found at PP. What I find odd is that Andrew said on the 911 call that Prince was dead, yet the paramedics performed CPR and did not administer Narcan? Who performs CPR on a deceased person??!! Something does not add up!

I don't think he died on the 21st unless it can be proven to me that he spoke or emailed with someone after midnight.

oliviacamron said:

Maybe they just did CPR because he is Prince. If it were a child, they might have done it anyway too. I was an EMT but I don't even remember if there is a protocol you have to follow. Maybe the EMTs would have caught hell if they didn't at least try even if they knew only God could bring him back. I think if child is dead, you perform CPR anyway just for the sake of the parents . Some people will still believe CPR should have been done on their loved one.

They do, do that for the families sometime.

PennyPurple said:

oliviacamron said:

Maybe they just did CPR because he is Prince. If it were a child, they might have done it anyway too. I was an EMT but I don't even remember if there is a protocol you have to follow. Maybe the EMTs would have caught hell if they didn't at least try even if they knew only God could bring him back. I think if child is dead, you perform CPR anyway just for the sake of the parents . Some people will still believe CPR should have been done on their loved one.

They do, do that for the families sometime.

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If someone does not have a heartbeat (pulse), there is no reason to do CPR and try to resucitate the person. I'm not familiar with the protocol and I don't know if it varies from state-to-state.

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I just find it odd that paramedics tried to resucitate Prince, yet they did not use Narcan. Again, another question we do not have the answer to!

cloveringold85 said:

PennyPurple said:

They do, do that for the families sometime.

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If someone does not have a heartbeat (pulse), there is no reason to do CPR and try to resucitate the person. I'm not familiar with the protocol and I don't know if it varies from state-to-state.

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I just find it odd that paramedics tried to resucitate Prince, yet they did not use Narcan. Again, another question we do not have the answer to!

Well this is what I found.

CPR should be performed immediately on any person who has become unconscious and is found to be pulseless. Assessment of cardiac electrical activity via rapid “rhythm strip” recording can provide a more detailed analysis of the type of cardiac arrest, as well as indicate additional treatment options.

Contraindications

The only absolute contraindication to CPR is a do-not-resuscitate (DNR) order or other advanced directive indicating a person’s desire to not be resuscitated in the event of cardiac arrest. A relative contraindication to performing CPR is if a clinician justifiably feels that the intervention would be medically futile.

http://emedicine.medscape...1-overview

PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

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If someone does not have a heartbeat (pulse), there is no reason to do CPR and try to resucitate the person. I'm not familiar with the protocol and I don't know if it varies from state-to-state.

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I just find it odd that paramedics tried to resucitate Prince, yet they did not use Narcan. Again, another question we do not have the answer to!

Well this is what I found.

CPR should be performed immediately on any person who has become unconscious and is found to be pulseless. Assessment of cardiac electrical activity via rapid “rhythm strip” recording can provide a more detailed analysis of the type of cardiac arrest, as well as indicate additional treatment options.

Contraindications

The only absolute contraindication to CPR is a do-not-resuscitate (DNR) order or other advanced directive indicating a person’s desire to not be resuscitated in the event of cardiac arrest. A relative contraindication to performing CPR is if a clinician justifiably feels that the intervention would be medically futile.

http://emedicine.medscape...1-overview

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Thanks for the info.

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Makes me sad reading that.

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I still just don't understand why they would perform CPR if they clearly knew he was gone.

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Oh, well -- I just have to accept what is.

PennyPurple said:

They do, do that for the families sometime.

This is true, they know if it's in the best interests of the family to go through the motions. It's a compassion thing.

Mumio said:

PennyPurple said:

They do, do that for the families sometime.

This is true, they know if it's in the best interests of the family to go through the motions. It's a compassion thing.

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I have never heard of such a thing. I have read several articles and no one even mentions this.

cloveringold85 said:

Mumio said:

This is true, they know if it's in the best interests of the family to go through the motions. It's a compassion thing.

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I have never heard of such a thing. I have read several articles and no one even mentions this.

Yet it does happen in many places. There is no specific EMS protocol as far as I know, it is determined when the crew is on scene if it's something the family "needs". Not everything is available on the internet

Mumio said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I have never heard of such a thing. I have read several articles and no one even mentions this.

Yet it does happen in many places. There is no specific EMS protocol as far as I know, it is determined when the crew is on scene if it's something the family "needs". Not everything is available on the internet

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I am aware that everything about life isn't going to be found on the internet. I'm just saying that performing CPR on a deceased person is bizarre, to say the least. I'm speaking for myself when I say I never heard of such a thing. Medical personnel will usually perform CPR for 20-40 minutes usually, and if there is no response, the person is declared deceased. I would think that there is certain protocol that any hospital would need to follow, because there are LAWS they need to abide by. This is a very delicate topic for me because my Mother passed away in the hospital in the ICU. They tried CPR for 30-40 mins, but she was gone. She wasn't coming back.

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cloveringold85 said:

Mumio said:

Yet it does happen in many places. There is no specific EMS protocol as far as I know, it is determined when the crew is on scene if it's something the family "needs". Not everything is available on the internet

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I am aware that everything about life isn't going to be found on the internet. I'm just saying that performing CPR on a deceased person is bizarre, to say the least. I'm speaking for myself when I say I never heard of such a thing. Medical personnel will usually perform CPR for 20-40 minutes usually, and if there is no response, the person is declared deceased. I would think that there is certain protocol that any hospital would need to follow, because there are LAWS they need to abide by. This is a very delicate topic for me because my Mother passed away in the hospital in the ICU. They tried CPR for 30-40 mins, but she was gone. She wasn't coming back.

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It is not bizarre if it is in the family's best interest to see EMS personnel going through with the motions because the family is so extremely psyched out at what they are seeing. EMS DO know how to go about doing this. And please, I am speaking as the wife of a longtime (32+ year) paramedic firefighter, so I know what I am talking about. When they go through these motions, there is no doubt that the patient will be resuscitated, they are clinically dead so it won't happen. As I said before, it's a compassionate measure done to help the family cope with the tragedy they have in front of them.

ETA: since you added other info while I was in the midst of responding to you, I need to add this: the information that I've put forth is regarding first responders to an emergency medical scene, not what is done in a hospital setting.

I am sorry to hear about your mother, but please do not apply this information to what is mandated in a hospital setting, it's not the same.

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Mumio said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I am aware that everything about life isn't going to be found on the internet. I'm just saying that performing CPR on a deceased person is bizarre, to say the least. I'm speaking for myself when I say I never heard of such a thing. Medical personnel will usually perform CPR for 20-40 minutes usually, and if there is no response, the person is declared deceased. I would think that there is certain protocol that any hospital would need to follow, because there are LAWS they need to abide by. This is a very delicate topic for me because my Mother passed away in the hospital in the ICU. They tried CPR for 30-40 mins, but she was gone. She wasn't coming back.

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It is not bizarre if it is in the family's best interest to see EMS personnel going through with the motions because the family is so extremely psyched out at what they are seeing. EMS DO know how to go about doing this. And please, I am speaking as the wife of a longtime (32+ year) paramedic firefighter, so I know what I am talking about. When they go through these motions, there is no doubt that the patient will be resuscitated, they are clinically dead so it won't happen. As I said before, it's a compassionate measure done to help the family cope with the tragedy they have in front of them.

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Maybe the CPR that was performed was just checking vitals and airway/breathing? Pure speculation on my end.

Mumio said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I am aware that everything about life isn't going to be found on the internet. I'm just saying that performing CPR on a deceased person is bizarre, to say the least. I'm speaking for myself when I say I never heard of such a thing. Medical personnel will usually perform CPR for 20-40 minutes usually, and if there is no response, the person is declared deceased. I would think that there is certain protocol that any hospital would need to follow, because there are LAWS they need to abide by. This is a very delicate topic for me because my Mother passed away in the hospital in the ICU. They tried CPR for 30-40 mins, but she was gone. She wasn't coming back.

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It is not bizarre if it is in the family's best interest to see EMS personnel going through with the motions because the family is so extremely psyched out at what they are seeing. EMS DO know how to go about doing this. And please, I am speaking as the wife of a longtime (32+ year) paramedic firefighter, so I know what I am talking about. When they go through these motions, there is no doubt that the patient will be resuscitated, they are clinically dead so it won't happen. As I said before, it's a compassionate measure done to help the family cope with the tragedy they have in front of them.

ETA: since you added other info while I was in the midst of responding to you, I need to add this: the information that I've put forth is regarding first responders to an emergency medical scene, not what is done in a hospital setting.

I am sorry to hear about your mother, but please do not apply this information to what is mandated in a hospital setting, it's not the same.

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Excuse me, but I did not know you are the wife of a paramedic firefighter. I understand that a hospital setting is totally different than medical responders. And, by the way, I respect your husband's profession.

laurarichardson said:

herb4 said:

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-- Herb - We have been discussing a few things over the last couple of days that are backed up with police reports and articles from legitimate news sources what do you think about those discussions?

Not much. I think we have about 95% of the information we need, the only remaining thing being where Prince got the hot pills.

To answer someone else's question, I post here and read these thread because I like Prince, enjoy writing and am interested in reading well thought out, logical opinions. But "Prince faked his own death" and "secret Russian assassins" are a bridge too far for me and I'm gonna call that sort of shit out. Otherwise, it'd just be big conspiratorial circle jerk with no brevity in it. Lately, I read it because i find it absoutley hilarious and, in my own way, am trying to help people who seem to be chasing windmills.

Things like chemtrails and an autism-vaccine link are easily debunked and I hate to see people, especially fellow fans, espousing this horseshit.

herb4 said:

Awww, hell no! Not this BS again!

oliviacamron said:

herb4 said:

Not much. I think we have about 95% of the information we need, the only remaining thing being where Prince got the hot pills.

To answer someone else's question, I post here and read these thread because I like Prince, enjoy writing and am interested in reading well thought out, logical opinions. But "Prince faked his own death" and "secret Russian assassins" are a bridge too far for me and I'm gonna call that sort of shit out. Otherwise, it'd just be big conspiratorial circle jerk with no brevity in it. Lately, I read it because i find it absoutley hilarious and, in my own way, am trying to help people who seem to be chasing windmills.

Things like chemtrails and an autism-vaccine link are easily debunked and I hate to see people, especially fellow fans, espousing this horseshit.

You keep bringing up vaccines. Y? I wish you would My son could talk and made all his milestones. He got the MMR and developed Autism immediately! He could not talk for a year after the MMR. To this day he is still getting neuro modulation therapy to heal the synapses in his brain. Go back in your hole

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Olivia: I'm so sorry about your Son. I had no idea. I hope he is doing better these days! Big hugs!

cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

precioux said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Excuse me, but I did not know you are the wife of a paramedic firefighter. I understand that a hospital setting is totally different than medical responders. And, by the way, I respect your husband's profession.

Clover, I know how devastated you were about your mom's passing. I have taken some time to look up protocols on resuscitation. This is what I found: Resuscitation considerations(in the field, not hospital) 2. Resuscitation should not be attempted in the field cases of : -rigor Morris -decapitation -decomposition -dependent lividity -obvious head/trunk trauma which is incompatible with life Being that P had (I'm assuming) at least 2 of these..not sure why it was attempted. It was said (not sure if fact) that he was gone approximately 5-6 hours. IF that was the case, then he had lividity as well as rigor Morris-rigor Morris "is gragual, usually noticable about 3-4 hours after death". Which leads me to another question- if CPR was performed, shouldn't there have been documentation of possible bruising or such on the autopsy report where they stated marks/scars were. CPR is very physical and can show signs of trauma on the deceased... I know it was said that sometimes CPR is administered to be compassionate, but what I found seems to contradict that. Just putting out there what I researched, being I said I would try to look up protocol Peace & Love

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Thanks, Precioux. I appreciate your kind words. It will be 3-years and the wounds are still too new for me.

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I did some research as well, and did not find much, other than the standard protocol, and what is practiced in emergency situations. I appreciate you doing that.

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You are right though, in the case of Prince. If he was laying there in the elevator for God knows how many hours and they performed CPR, you would think there would be some trauma/ bruises/contusions (as they say) on him. If I recall correctly, I don't think the ME stated that in the report that was released.