Lovejunky said:

Lovejunky said:

Ok...so...

I just went and looked a Video that is going around at the moment..lol (yeah yeah)

OMG

Apples has commented on it...

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Apollonia Kotero · 2:11:53 My PRain Family & I love u all so much 💜we are doing our best for u. Please stay strong & pray for truth💜🙏🏽☔️👑

I really just can't...So I'm gonna grab some coffee and watch Morris Chestnut be sexy and chocolatey and solve a crime.

Back later.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Carver County Sheriff made a statement that they had "surveillance", but did not say whether they had footage of Prince in the elevator. I don't like to think about that imagine in my head, because it's just really horrible.

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Statement from Sheriff Olson:

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QUESTION: Sheriff, were there surveillance cameras at Paisley Park and do you have them?

OLSON: That is -- that will be part of the investigation. I don't want to comment on that right now.

QUESTION: Sheriff, does it appear that he used elevator because he felt he was about to pass out or was unable to take the stairwell? Did he have access to stairways or was he getting on the elevator intentionally?

OLSON: Yes, he certainly does have access to stairways. Paisley Park, again, is a big place.

And I don't think it would be unusual for him to use the elevator. The staircases are pretty long. So I don't think that would be unusual. If that's why he took the elevator or not, I can't say.

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http://transcripts.cnn.co...cg.01.html

Thanks for posting the transcript Clover! The sherif did not say if there was surveillance cameras on or not...he did not want to comment on that yet as it was part of the investigation. Would like to know if he had no trauma to his body then did he not fall in the elevator? If there was no trauma it would seem like he may have been placed in the elevator.

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Sheriff's Olson's comment really concerns me. Note that he replied with "I don't want to comment on that right now." When someone says "they don't" -- it means they know something that they aren't telling, imo. A better way he could have phrased his words would be to say "I can not comment on that right now."

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If Prince just passed-out in the elevator, then there probably wouldn't be any trauma. He would have had to take a pretty hard fall to have any trauma/bruising on his body, imo.

LBrent said:

Lovejunky said:

I really just can't...So I'm gonna grab some coffee and watch Morris Chestnut be sexy and chocolatey and solve a crime.

Back later.

I know right...

and I shouldnt have either...!!!!!

I find it hard to believe that if someone else had dressed him, they'd have gone to all the trouble of popping his HAT back on his head...
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I'm more inclined to think that Prince had been wearing those clothes all day / evening and didn't take them off when he got home.
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The man was stick-thin; there is talk of PP being run on a shoe-string during latter months - maybe he didn't have his entire living quarters and studio heated that evening; maybe he was bloomin' COLD and so kept his hat on!
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It's perfectly plausible he'd remove his shoes though - especially if he popped upstairs just for a wee lie down, and maybe a pain-killer...
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Dibblekins said:

I find it hard to believe that if someone else had dressed him, they'd have gone to all the trouble of popping his HAT back on his head...
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I'm more inclined to think that Prince had been wearing those clothes all day / evening and didn't take them off when he got home.
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The man was stick-thin; there is talk of PP being run on a shoe-string during latter months - maybe he didn't have his entire living quarters and studio heated that evening; maybe he was bloomin' COLD and so kept his hat on!
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It's perfectly plausible he'd remove his shoes though - especially if he popped upstairs just for a wee lie down, and maybe a pain-killer...
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I agree with you. I also think it's the same clothes he had on all day.

PennyPurple said:

LBrent said:

cloveringold85 said:

XxAxX said:

MMJas said:

With all due respect, I find we cannot say things like "Prince did this" or "Prince didn't do that". We were not privvy to Prince as a human being going about his daily life. And yes, Prince did wear clothes with pockets.

https://www.youtube.com/w...UVZW6-rZKw

Minute 9.

good point. we did not *know* prince personally. but this discussion refers to what he was wearing (allegedly) when found deceased.

as to the youtube clip- you're referring to the vest? i'd like to stand corrected, all things considered, but in that clip he is wearing a vest with pockets. his pants show no pocketage.

which is not to say i'm correct, but the furry vest with pockets doesn't convvince me that he wore traditional style pants with pockets, nor that he would have died with a bottle of pills stuffed in his pants pockets... thanks for listening

You missed my point. I merely used the pocket thing as an example of how easy it is for us to assume things. There's tons of clips of Prince walking around with his hands in his pants pockets. I was not trying to correct you, I was merely making a point. Too many times we fall into the trap of thinking we knew him more than we did. That is all.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

I agree with you. I also think it's the same clothes he had on all day.

-- So you think he had his clothes on backward the whole day even after going to the doctor.

Good point, Laura. Perhaps he put them on backwards at the doctor.

Dibblekins said:

I find it hard to believe that if someone else had dressed him, they'd have gone to all the trouble of popping his HAT back on his head...
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I'm more inclined to think that Prince had been wearing those clothes all day / evening and didn't take them off when he got home.
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The man was stick-thin; there is talk of PP being run on a shoe-string during latter months - maybe he didn't have his entire living quarters and studio heated that evening; maybe he was bloomin' COLD and so kept his hat on!
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It's perfectly plausible he'd remove his shoes though - especially if he popped upstairs just for a wee lie down, and maybe a pain-killer...
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That's not what I meant. I was trying to asses whether he had undressed and gone to bed or relax in some manner, or if he was still wearing clothes. If the hat was on, he did not go to bed, right? Cause if the whole dressing of the clothes backwards in a fit of panic narrative is right, then he probably would not add the hat. So... if he was wearing the hat, it means he was probably working still. Jmo.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

I agree with you. I also think it's the same clothes he had on all day.

-- So you think he had his clothes on backward the whole day even after going to the doctor.

It's possible, if he were examined at the doctor, in his rush to get dressed / get out of there, he put them on backwards THERE, Laura!

MMJas said:

Dibblekins said:

I find it hard to believe that if someone else had dressed him, they'd have gone to all the trouble of popping his HAT back on his head...
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I'm more inclined to think that Prince had been wearing those clothes all day / evening and didn't take them off when he got home.
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The man was stick-thin; there is talk of PP being run on a shoe-string during latter months - maybe he didn't have his entire living quarters and studio heated that evening; maybe he was bloomin' COLD and so kept his hat on!
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It's perfectly plausible he'd remove his shoes though - especially if he popped upstairs just for a wee lie down, and maybe a pain-killer...
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That's not what I meant. I was trying to asses whether he had undressed and gone to bed or relax in some manner, or if he was still wearing clothes. If the hat was on, he did not go to bed, right? Cause if the whole dressing of the clothes backwards in a fit of panic narrative is right, then he probably would not add the hat. So... if he was wearing the hat, it means he was probably working still. Jmo.

Yes - I wasn't referring to you specifically, MMJas - it was just a general remark. I think it's possible he may have had a lie down still wearing the hat but, yes, as you say, making the decision to properly go to bed would normally indicate one removes ALL clothes.

And the hat, if it is the one in the Walgreen's photo, was more of a cloche, and not a formal, hard-structured hat. One could sleep in it and not feel it.

MMJas said:

XxAxX said:

good point. we did not *know* prince personally. but this discussion refers to what he was wearing (allegedly) when found deceased.

as to the youtube clip- you're referring to the vest? i'd like to stand corrected, all things considered, but in that clip he is wearing a vest with pockets. his pants show no pocketage.

which is not to say i'm correct, but the furry vest with pockets doesn't convvince me that he wore traditional style pants with pockets, nor that he would have died with a bottle of pills stuffed in his pants pockets... thanks for listening

You missed my point. I merely used the pocket thing as an example of how easy it is for us to assume things. There's tons of clips of Prince walking around with his hands in his pants pockets. I was not trying to correct you, I was merely making a point. Too many times we fall into the trap of thinking we knew him more than we did. That is all.

see below. i apologize for ass-uming anything!!!

Reply #21 posted 12/03/16 12:47pm

XxAxX

[Edited 12/4/16 8:15am]

Dibblekins said:

laurarichardson said:

Dibblekins said:

It's possible, if he were examined at the doctor, in his rush to get dressed / get out of there, he put them on backwards THERE, Laura!

--/ Just my opinion but I find that hard to believe.

Not sure why, Laura! I've done it myself! If the pants / top are plain, pull-on style, and entirely black, it's more than plausible!

paisleypearl said:

Why would a murderer dress the victim? The victim was not clothed and in bed maybe when he is poisoned. What is the point of dressing him after he is dead and putting him in an elevator? Seems the difference between possibilities and probabilities in this discussion are getting far fetched. Or I'm missing something once again. He's poisoned in bed?? [Edited 12/4/16 8:50am]

You said "murderer", I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with that word in this answer, but I'm addressing the part of your question that asks about why someone might "dress" someone in the situation of them not being able to dress themselves.

My answer is general and not simply as pertains to P or 4/20-4/21.

Dressing someone who cannot dress themselves has one objective, to change the events presented to change the narrative to follow.

If you dress a nekkid person, it keeps them from being cold/embarrassed or it can change the assumed timeline of when they were found or where they were found or it can allow for lots of alternate assumptions about what happened to them.

Read any crime novel, watch a crime movie or TV show or read the accounts of a real life crime.

There have been plenty of those where someone has dressed someone else for the sake of changing the facts and presenting new "facts".

I think I watch too much "Law & Order." If he collapsed, clothed, in the elevator, his blood would settle in a certain way within his body. When he was found in the elevator, I am sure the three people there (Kirk, Meron and Andrew) moved him to try to see if he was still alive, to try to resuscitate him, you name it. But the original blood settlement could still be discerned by the ME.

1Sasha said:

I think I watch too much "Law & Order." If he collapsed, clothed, in the elevator, his blood would settle in a certain way within his body. When he was found in the elevator, I am sure the three people there (Kirk, Meron and Andrew) moved him to try to see if he was still alive, to try to resuscitate him, you name it. But the original blood settlement could still be discerned by the ME.

Yup...lividity.

And since, in panic and chaos nobody would be trying to be overly gentle, fingerprints can be left in the pooled blood and on the skin in the form of bruises.

The I.D. Channel..That's all I'm sayin.

LBrent said:

paisleypearl said:

LBrent said:

You said "murderer", I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with that word in this answer, but I'm addressing the part of your question that asks about why someone might "dress" someone in the situation of them not being able to dress themselves.

My answer is general and not simply as pertains to P or 4/20-4/21.

Dressing someone who cannot dress themselves has one objective, to change the events presented to change the narrative to follow.

If you dress a nekkid person, it keeps them from being cold/embarrassed or it can change the assumed timeline of when they were found or where they were found or it can allow for lots of alternate assumptions about what happened to them.

Read any crime novel, watch a crime movie or TV show or read the accounts of a real life crime.

There have been plenty of those where someone has dressed someone else for the sake of changing the facts and presenting new "facts".

But you can't just pull one part of the entire situation out and focus on all the possibilities of that one part and make a believable case for foul play. You still have the question of how Prince ingested the fentanyl, how it was found in a number of different places in his home, not to mention the fact that having him nekkid in his own bed would be a far better way of covering up a murder by poison. And no one around him seems to have been insane, and insanity would be required to plan and execute a murder this effed up. Drug a nekkid man, dress him and drop him in an elevator? That's just so crazy.

Well...I can if "foul play" isn't what I necessarily beleive to be all or even part of my internal nerrative of the events.

Also...it's not any crazier than a really well liked man who dressed up as clown for entertaining children to have later been found to have sexually molested and murdered children for years and buried them under his house.

I'm not saying foul play was at work on 4/21 but there are centuries of attrocities that have been discovered later and when questioned people thought it was impossible because the facts seem crazy.

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There are many who would argue that a disadvantadged Black teenager from a broken home in Minnesota would go on to become a world acclaimed Oscar winning icon...

It would be crazy to think it was possible.

Yet, here we are...and it happened.

Isn't April 17, 2017, the date established to keep documents/information from the public as the investigation allegedly continues? Nothing and everything sounds plausible these days.

Does anyone remember when P stopped use the symbol around for awhile? Any specific year?

Anybody remember when he started using it again by hanging it on the microphone during performances again?

[Edited 12/4/16 22:48pm]

paisleypearl said:

LBrent said:

1Sasha said:

I think I watch too much "Law & Order." If he collapsed, clothed, in the elevator, his blood would settle in a certain way within his body. When he was found in the elevator, I am sure the three people there (Kirk, Meron and Andrew) moved him to try to see if he was still alive, to try to resuscitate him, you name it. But the original blood settlement could still be discerned by the ME.

Yup...lividity.

And since, in panic and chaos nobody would be trying to be overly gentle, fingerprints can be left in the pooled blood and on the skin in the form of bruises.

The I.D. Channel..That's all I'm sayin.

Unless... there was someone with him when he became unresponsive that dressed him in a hurry. Then left him.

There are many scenarios we could come up with.

MMJas said:

LBrent said:

Yup...lividity.

And since, in panic and chaos nobody would be trying to be overly gentle, fingerprints can be left in the pooled blood and on the skin in the form of bruises.

The I.D. Channel..That's all I'm sayin.

Unless... there was someone with him when he became unresponsive that dressed him in a hurry. Then left him.

There are many scenarios we could come up with.

Yup

And there are at least as many scenarios as there are people who want to make certain that the correct scenario gets the acknowledgement it deserves so that P gets the justice that scenario warrants.