LBrent said:

laurarichardson said:

Dress like the people around you and he went with rock so he could dress down. I do not see anyone spending money on suits and hair if they are dealing with health issues. Your money and time is going to health problems and you are not getting out like you use to.

Read the GQ mag article and what Kandance Spring said about how small and plain his living quarters were. He had downsized his life but was sitting on 50 million real estate.

Exactly.

I saw that, too, about his private living quarters.

What stood out to me wasn't the size of the bed or the room or whatever cuz I could totally see that. What difference does it make if your personal space isn't huge?

You own the whole building which is huge!

What struck me was that P let her borrow his hairdryer and I thought Oh, he's doing his own hair these days! OK.

Lbrent....did you see on the "People of Paisley Park" FB page...Tom Underwood worked for Domino's Pizza and was P's last "security for PP shows,....It must have been really bare boned if he was hiring folk from the local pizza joint to "be his security..to running/setting up equipment". On top of that, this guy said PP would order from there ALL THE TIME....that's how he landed the job....maybe they were vegan pizzas, but I thought no meat was even allowed on PP premises

1Sasha said:

If any of this is true, concerning his health, it is a wonder he got through the P + A M dates at all. And I still say, even though I have been chastised about this by other orgers, that his deterioration was visible to strangers (us) - where were the people around him on this? All saying blithely that he was "fine," when he looked very, very ill. Yes, the voice and musical ability were intact, but he was so thin ...

Reminds of when someone gets a haircut or shaves their mustahce off or whatever and because they are in our presence all the time, we don't notice it until some time has gone by....if they saw him all the time they either didnt notice or chose not to say anything.

LBrent said:

Ok, I finally got the podcast to work. Yay!

Tyka's talking about her CD called A Brand New Me which was released 2008 so this leads me to beleive the podcast was around 2008 or so cuz she was talking about touring.

In videos of P performing, I don't notice much odd about that time period.

Unless he was in the very early stages of something and was undergoing treatment and that treatment was successful at the time???

It might not be that he was even sick that soon, but even if he was he looked healthy to me.

But even if he was in the early stages of whatever and treatment either "cured" him or made him healthy enough to fuction as usual whatever could've been in remission then returned in later years but could've been more aggressive and untreatable that later go 'round...leading to where we all ended up in April.

Thoughts?

Thanks for clearing up what year she toured...so that cements when the podcast was done (I'm assuming). I do recall around 2009 people talking of how much weight P was losing. Even some overseas taloid mentioned it...so maybe the speculation is in relation to that time frame and not more recently. That being said, and viewing pics from that era as well, I even considered an eating disorder to be the culprit, since to me it looked as though there were 2 specific time frames (at least) where he seemed unusually thin....but then I thought about the pic from the Vikings game(?), and his color is so OFF...almost jaundice looking-so, I threw that thought out of the window.

On another note, if you listened to the entire podcast of Tyka, I also found it incredibly hard to believe how just the basics about the "current events" of her brother (which every P fan knew), she did not have the faintest clue. It showed me how much they did not communicate at that time (2008?). There were several questions asked at the beginning and she couldn't answer one of them in regards to P. Just picking up on that which was obvious, not bashing Tyka.

precioux said:

LBrent said:

Exactly.

I saw that, too, about his private living quarters.

What stood out to me wasn't the size of the bed or the room or whatever cuz I could totally see that. What difference does it make if your personal space isn't huge?

You own the whole building which is huge!

What struck me was that P let her borrow his hairdryer and I thought Oh, he's doing his own hair these days! OK.

Lbrent....did you see on the "People of Paisley Park" FB page...Tom Underwood worked for Domino's Pizza and was P's last "security for PP shows,....It must have been really bare boned if he was hiring folk from the local pizza joint to "be his security..to running/setting up equipment". On top of that, this guy said PP would order from there ALL THE TIME....that's how he landed the job....maybe they were vegan pizzas, but I thought no meat was even allowed on PP premises

Yes. I did read that.

I also remember P say on Lopez that he was vegetarian as opposed to vegan so cheese would be on a vegetarian pizza and meat doesn't have to be on a plain pizza, so...

But yeah, I get the impression that the only constant as far as longterm security was Kirk.

People came and went as employees for P under many circumstances, including either getting fired or simply moving on for their own reasons involving personal goals/growth and persuing their own dreams.

I see part of it as that and part of it as P using those staff members leaving to refill their positions with less staff over time due to his own evolving personal goals and possible paranoia due to trying to keep his health issues private.

I think there were lots of things that coming together during that time period...a "perfect storm".

precioux said:

LBrent said:

Ok, I finally got the podcast to work. Yay!

Tyka's talking about her CD called A Brand New Me which was released 2008 so this leads me to beleive the podcast was around 2008 or so cuz she was talking about touring.

In videos of P performing, I don't notice much odd about that time period.

Unless he was in the very early stages of something and was undergoing treatment and that treatment was successful at the time???

It might not be that he was even sick that soon, but even if he was he looked healthy to me.

But even if he was in the early stages of whatever and treatment either "cured" him or made him healthy enough to fuction as usual whatever could've been in remission then returned in later years but could've been more aggressive and untreatable that later go 'round...leading to where we all ended up in April.

Thoughts?

Thanks for clearing up what year she toured...so that cements when the podcast was done (I'm assuming). I do recall around 2009 people talking of how much weight P was losing. Even some overseas taloid mentioned it...so maybe the speculation is in relation to that time frame and not more recently. That being said, and viewing pics from that era as well, I even considered an eating disorder to be the culprit, since to me it looked as though there were 2 specific time frames (at least) where he seemed unusually thin....but then I thought about the pic from the Vikings game(?), and his color is so OFF...almost jaundice looking-so, I threw that thought out of the window.

On another note, if you listened to the entire podcast of Tyka, I also found it incredibly hard to believe how just the basics about the "current events" of her brother (which every P fan knew), she did not have the faintest clue. It showed me how much they did not communicate at that time (2008?). There were several questions asked at the beginning and she couldn't answer one of them in regards to P. Just picking up on that which was obvious, not bashing Tyka.

Did she really not have a clue? Or was she simply being discreet? Or even playing the interveiwer a bit for the sake of P's privacy?

We know all these details cuz we're fans, but I don't think the close friends/family veiw him the same way as far as the details we treasure cuz they have him, he's theirs. They don't need to focus on every detail like we tend to cuz he really exists in a tangible way in their existance.

Just a thought.

LBrent said:

precioux said:

Thanks for clearing up what year she toured...so that cements when the podcast was done (I'm assuming). I do recall around 2009 people talking of how much weight P was losing. Even some overseas taloid mentioned it...so maybe the speculation is in relation to that time frame and not more recently. That being said, and viewing pics from that era as well, I even considered an eating disorder to be the culprit, since to me it looked as though there were 2 specific time frames (at least) where he seemed unusually thin....but then I thought about the pic from the Vikings game(?), and his color is so OFF...almost jaundice looking-so, I threw that thought out of the window.

On another note, if you listened to the entire podcast of Tyka, I also found it incredibly hard to believe how just the basics about the "current events" of her brother (which every P fan knew), she did not have the faintest clue. It showed me how much they did not communicate at that time (2008?). There were several questions asked at the beginning and she couldn't answer one of them in regards to P. Just picking up on that which was obvious, not bashing Tyka.

Did she really not have a clue? Or was she simply being discreet? Or even playing the interveiwer a bit for the sake of P's privacy?

We know all these details cuz we're fans, but I don't think the close friends/family veiw him the same way as far as the details we treasure cuz they have him, he's theirs. They don't need to focus on every detail like we tend to cuz he really exists in a tangible way in their existance.

Just a thought.

No, she really didn't have a clue, and you'll understand where I'm coming from if you hear it for yourself, but I do get exactly where you're coming from as we fans try to stay on top of every little thing as opposed to maybe that not being on the top of immediate family's priority list (i.e., latest album of P)..I totally get that.

Do you know if Tyka ever came out with that book? She said she had been "writing it for 20 years...but didn't want the last chapter to end on a bad note"....so she completed the last chapter after P had paid for her to successfully complete treatment at Hazelton(?) where the atmosphere and steps were more focused on God..and it clicked with her. She said she's found peace, and that was the happy ending(last chapter).

laurarichardson said:

mnfriend said:

paisleypearl said: Or an illness/disease. RIP Prince.

He could have had liver damage from taking pain meds. See below.

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The drugs for liver issues are non-controlled substances and some have to be administered by a doctor in a hospital not picked up at a pharmacy. We know that Dr. S prescribed non-controlled Rxs for his on April 20th. I believe one of the drugs is interferon which is also used for AIDS might be were the AIDs story came from if someone at Walgreens saw him picking it up. There was also a story that he had Sepsis in 2014 and was in the hospital for treatment. Sephis can be a by product of liver failure. It kind of ties in with what his sister said about knowing he was going to die two year ago and the fact that liver or any organ failure can be gradual with meds.

He may have known his time was short but not how short where if he had AIDS he would know the end would be A.S.A.P. I don’t think he would have been working on his memoirs, or spending time turning Paisley Park into a museum if he had an AIDS diagnosis. So many people around him keep saying we do not know the whole story. I think this may come out in the divorce papers because it is possible he had organ damage when he was married and may not have even known or second wife may have threaten to tell the media and he had to pay her off. I believe something is in the divorce settlement that will make her M2 look bad. If she threaten to expose any health issues or aspects of his private life to the public imagine how that would make her look.

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Laura: Manuela told the Judge that the divorce documents have nothing to do with Prince's death.

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"Ms. Testolini states that the sealed files have nothing to do with Mr. Nelson's death and its subsequent legal issues.

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http://www.startribune.co...390211731/

Prince's hair was natural (fro). If you look at pictures of him at the 2015 AMA's, he looked totally fine, other than being skinny, but then again, Prince was always a skinny dude. Sad to think that just 5-months later he died.

laurarichardson said:

LBrent said:

Something else bothered me months ago, but got lost in the earlier disruptions...

P's hair.

Ok, he went back to the 'fro, right?

But after so much started to point to him not looking so well in the past coupla years I really started to pay attention to WHEN he went back to the 'fro.

For those who do not have 'fro textured hair, bear with me...When folks "go natural" and stop using relaxers, etc it's a big thing to do a "big chop". which means cutting off all the chemically treated hair. Granted, not everyone does it but it is a known thing to do in the "back to natural hair" movement.

Now, the general public would most likely simply write it off as P "being weird" and since we P fans have been used to him doing lotsa things to his hair at first it was just yet another "P thing".

BUT...

What if he deliberately coincided going natural/a "big chop" with a loss of hair due to LOSING hair due to medication for a serious illness (ex. Cancer) and it was largely ignored cuz folks wrote it off as yet another example of P doing something shocking/different?

I've even heard folks say the 'fro was a wig or looked like a wig. I blew it off at the time, but...

what if at first it was? And he eventually grew his hair back to what's known in the natural hair community as a "TWA" (Teeny Weeny Afro)?

If he wore those knitted caps over some sort of wig/hair appliance for a few months he could've definitely come back with a "TWA" without being seen bald.

Dammit, now I'm getting teary thinking about P trying to maintain his business, retain his dignity, maintain his privacy, maintain a modicum of a life...He was going through it thee past few years, really going through it...And it makes me so sad that he seemed to have orchestrated it to go through it mostly alone.

--Something was going on with him when got that fro. The fro, the clothes, not promoting his music and stretching concert dates out, giving away loads of money, the rush to work with WB to get back the masters, setting up the LLC, and just general slow pace he was going. I believe he had other health issues outside of joint pain and I think the signs are clear.

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Yes, but most of those things you stated was very normal behavior for Prince. He did that stuff all the time. He had made plans far into the future, so that would not explain his "rush" to get things done. But, I will say, the fact that he was working with WB again was very odd.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

LBrent said: --Something was going on with him when got that fro. The fro, the clothes, not promoting his music and stretching concert dates out, giving away loads of money, the rush to work with WB to get back the masters, setting up the LLC, and just general slow pace he was going. I believe he had other health issues outside of joint pain and I think the signs are clear.

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Yes, but most of those things you stated was very normal behavior for Prince. He did that stuff all the time. He had made plans far into the future, so that would not explain his "rush" to get things done. But, I will say, the fact that he was working with WB again was very odd.

The autopsy report reflects NA for Not Applicable as far as contributing causes of death.I don’t feel there was a conspiracy or that P. was ill from some other disease, i.e. cancer. He died from an accidental overdose because he was using street pills.

leec1 said:

--That is the short report which would only list the direct cause of death. All other health information would be in the full report. That report will be sealed for 30 years or the family can release it. Do you really think that P was high out of his ass doing the amount of things he was doing 24/7. In addition, it was not found that these drugs were in his system from prior test the day before.

cloveringold85 said:

--It was odd because to get the master tapes back he had to work with them on the PR master and we see how cooperative he was on that project.

cloveringold85 said:

my the hair was natural because that's the trend. He has skinny periods in life. He WAS particularly skinny before he died. It wouldn't take long for his little body to get so skinny if he is already a thin person. he really could have had pneumonia and the flu and got that skinny. He could have been poisoned and got so skinny. He could have been in withdrawal and got that skinny. I have no idea but I do think he was more skinny than he had ever been. And he could have been depressed because Denise just passed or it could be all the above and then some. He was terribly skinny. Terminal illness isnt my opinion though. He would have had his affairs in order and no t had so many upcoming events . IMO
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laurarichardson said:

leec1 said:

The autopsy report reflects NA for Not Applicable as far as contributing causes of death.I don’t feel there was a conspiracy or that P. was ill from some other disease, i.e. cancer. He died from an accidental overdose because he was using street pills.

--That is the short report which would only list the direct cause of death. All other health information would be in the full report. That report will be sealed for 30 years or the family can release it. Do you really think that P was high out of his ass doing the amount of things he was doing 24/7. In addition, it was not found that these drugs were in his system from prior test the day before.

The Associated Press article indicated there were no other conditions listed as cause of death. I am aware that this is the short autopsy report.

Also reported in an Associate Press article is that the test report prior to his death that showed no fentanyl happened at the time of the narcan save shot.

Yes, you can be high 24/7 and learn to function. I don't do drugs but have spent a lot of time over the years with people who did drugs all the time and they "functioned" until they didn't function. Most of them are now deceased.

Another thing that I find perplexing is that Prince overdosed on Percocet on the plane (supposedly), and then he overdoses a few days later on something even more powerful, which was Fentanyl (illegal) street drugs, which is more powerful than heroin. Keep in mind that he did not have any prescriptions for pain meds, so who knows how long he was taking that stuff. Now, we still don't know if he took the lethal Fentanyl, knowingly. My personal opinion is that I don't think he knew. I have suspected foul-play from the very beginning.

oliviacamron said:

cloveringold85 said:

Prince's hair was natural (fro). If you look at pictures of him at the 2015 AMA's, he looked totally fine, other than being skinny, but then again, Prince was always a skinny dude. Sad to think that just 5-months later he died.

my the hair was natural because that's the trend. He has skinny periods in life. He WAS particularly skinny before he died. It wouldn't take long for his little body to get so skinny if he is already a thin person. he really could have had pneumonia and the flu and got that skinny. He could have been poisoned and got so skinny. He could have been in withdrawal and got that skinny. I have no idea but I do think he was more skinny than he had ever been. And he could have been depressed because Denise just passed or it could be all the above and then some. He was terribly skinny. Terminal illness isnt my opinion though. He would have had his affairs in order and no t had so many upcoming events . IMO [Edited 12/5/16 16:20pm]

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I agree! Prince was always skinny & petite, and being thin doesn't necessarily mean you are sick. My Mother, for example was skinny her entire life, and always healthy (no major health issues), until she got older and developed COPD/emphsema, but that was from smoking all her life.

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Everything you stated is quite possible, and I'm in agreement with you in that I don't believe Prince had any terminal illness.

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cloveringold85 said:

Another thing that I find perplexing is that Prince overdosed on Percocet on the plane (supposedly), and then he overdoses a few days later on something even more powerful, which was Fentanyl (illegal) street drugs, which is more powerful than heroin. Keep in mind that he did not have any prescriptions for pain meds, so who knows how long he was taking that stuff. Now, we still don't know if he took the lethal Fentanyl, knowingly. My personal opinion is that I don't think he knew. I have suspected foul-play from the very beginning.

Yeah...

There was no mention of Fentanyl until the Dr Quinn Stobyl,s Autopsy report...

and even Curiouser..

Dr.Quinn Stobyl has been involved in the Publication of three academic Papers concentrated on Fentanyl Toxcicity..

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/articles/23485343/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19876859

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1556-4029.2007.00481.x/abstract

cloveringold85 said:

Another thing that I find perplexing is that Prince overdosed on Percocet on the plane (supposedly), and then he overdoses a few days later on something even more powerful, which was Fentanyl (illegal) street drugs, which is more powerful than heroin. Keep in mind that he did not have any prescriptions for pain meds, so who knows how long he was taking that stuff. Now, we still don't know if he took the lethal Fentanyl, knowingly. My personal opinion is that I don't think he knew. I have suspected foul-play from the very beginning.

The pills were mis-labled and if he had been taking the Watson 355 they would have been mild since they would have been expired from Oct 2015. The pills had all kinds of other stuff in them if he was addictedt to perocet or fentenyl why did he not just take a pill that was actully those substances. Why did they not find that stuff in his system from the day before? I don't think he knew what he was taking and I think that is one of the reasons the case is still open. More to this then a simple O.D.

Lovejunky said:

cloveringold85 said:

Another thing that I find perplexing is that Prince overdosed on Percocet on the plane (supposedly), and then he overdoses a few days later on something even more powerful, which was Fentanyl (illegal) street drugs, which is more powerful than heroin. Keep in mind that he did not have any prescriptions for pain meds, so who knows how long he was taking that stuff. Now, we still don't know if he took the lethal Fentanyl, knowingly. My personal opinion is that I don't think he knew. I have suspected foul-play from the very beginning.

Yeah...

There was no mention of Fentanyl until the Dr Quinn Stobyl,s Autopsy report...

and even Curiouser..

Dr.Quinn Stobyl has been involved in the Publication of three academic Papers concentrated on Fentanyl Toxcicity..

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/articles/23485343/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19876859

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1556-4029.2007.00481.x/abstract

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Yes, thanks for mentioning that. I have pointed that out about Dr. Strobyl a while back. Her expertise in "Fentanyl" was quite alarming to me. This to me, just does not seem like your typical drug overdose/open & shut case. Something has felt very wrong about this, from the beginning. There is a saying that goes something like this.....when things don't add up, it means something is "wrong"!! And that holds true in the sudden and suspicious death of Prince, imo.

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There is a Facebook page, "Getting 2 the truth" that discusses in great detail the timeline of events, which I found quite interesting.

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This part really got me.......Strangely these same people (that found your body) via Andrew's and his father's lawyer, changed the time frame of their arrival at your home from 9:10a.m / 9:15 a.m. to a much later time 9:37 a.m.. Most likely because people began to question why took them so long to call 911. At first they claimed it took them almost 30 minutes to find you because PP was a huge complex, hence why they made the 911 at 9:43 a.m. Yet when it was reported that your lifeless body was slumped on the first floor in the elevator located right by the main atrium and entrance their prior time frame did not make sense. Yet, to male matter worst the one given by the lawyer does not add up either. There is not enough time to pick someone up, at 9:30 am from a hotel, drive, open PP gate, park the car, walk to PP, open the door, look for you and call 911 in the span of 12 minutes.

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laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

Another thing that I find perplexing is that Prince overdosed on Percocet on the plane (supposedly), and then he overdoses a few days later on something even more powerful, which was Fentanyl (illegal) street drugs, which is more powerful than heroin. Keep in mind that he did not have any prescriptions for pain meds, so who knows how long he was taking that stuff. Now, we still don't know if he took the lethal Fentanyl, knowingly. My personal opinion is that I don't think he knew. I have suspected foul-play from the very beginning.

The pills were mis-labled and if he had been taking the Watson 355 they would have been mild since they would have been expired from Oct 2015. The pills had all kinds of other stuff in them if he was addictedt to perocet or fentenyl why did he not just take a pill that was actully those substances. Why did they not find that stuff in his system from the day before? I don't think he knew what he was taking and I think that is one of the reasons the case is still open. More to this then a simple O.D.

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Yes, Laura! You and I think alike when it comes to the pills. He probably thought they were just pain pills, not knowing that they were laced with other deadly drugs! My God, the horror of that still upsets me!

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I agree; the fact that they did not find Fentanyl in his system when he O/D on the plane (Percocet), leaves me to wonder that he just started taking Fentanyl and was not familar with it's affects or he simply did not know it was a deadly cocktail with other drugs.

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I totally agree with you on the fact that this case is still open, so there is more going on than we know! I wonder if they will ever know where/who the pills came from?

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Pray for our Prince. He's in my prayers every day. I pray that God will give us the answers and if there was foul-play, justice will be served, accordingly.

cloveringold85 said:

Lovejunky said:

Yeah...

There was no mention of Fentanyl until the Dr Quinn Stobyl,s Autopsy report...

and even Curiouser..

Dr.Quinn Stobyl has been involved in the Publication of three academic Papers concentrated on Fentanyl Toxcicity..

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/articles/23485343/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19876859

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1556-4029.2007.00481.x/abstract

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Yes, thanks for mentioning that. I have pointed that out about Dr. Strobyl a while back. Her expertise in "Fentanyl" was quite alarming to me. This to me, just does not seem like your typical drug overdose/open & shut case. Something has felt very wrong about this, from the beginning. There is a saying that goes something like this.....when things don't add up, it means something is "wrong"!! And that holds true in the sudden and suspicious death of Prince, imo.

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There is a Facebook page, "Getting 2 the truth" that discusses in great detail the timeline of events, which I found quite interesting.

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This part really got me.......Strangely these same people (that found your body) via Andrew's and his father's lawyer, changed the time frame of their arrival at your home from 9:10a.m / 9:15 a.m. to a much later time 9:37 a.m.. Most likely because people began to question why took them so long to call 911. At first they claimed it took them almost 30 minutes to find you because PP was a huge complex, hence why they made the 911 at 9:43 a.m. Yet when it was reported that your lifeless body was slumped on the first floor in the elevator located right by the main atrium and entrance their prior time frame did not make sense. Yet, to male matter worst the one given by the lawyer does not add up either. There is not enough time to pick someone up, at 9:30 am from a hotel, drive, open PP gate, park the car, walk to PP, open the door, look for you and call 911 in the span of 12 minutes.

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YEP...

and WHY on the autopsy report under Date of INJURY does it say UNKNOWN ????????

It tells us where the injury occured RESIDENCE

Address of Injury RESIDENCE ,

Place of INJURY,RESIDENCE

HOW the Injury occured THE DECEDENT SELF ADMINISTRED FENTANYL

but they dont know the DATE the Injury Occurred ?????????

leec1 said:

laurarichardson said:

leec1 said: --That is the short report which would only list the direct cause of death. All other health information would be in the full report. That report will be sealed for 30 years or the family can release it. Do you really think that P was high out of his ass doing the amount of things he was doing 24/7. In addition, it was not found that these drugs were in his system from prior test the day before.

The Associated Press article indicated there were no other conditions listed as cause of death. I am aware that this is the short autopsy report.

Also reported in an Associate Press article is that the test report prior to his death that showed no fentanyl happened at the time of the narcan save shot.

Yes, you can be high 24/7 and learn to function. I don't do drugs but have spent a lot of time over the years with people who did drugs all the time and they "functioned" until they didn't function. Most of them are now deceased.

The Associated Press has no access to the long report only the family, ME and the police know what other health conditions he may have had. The Associated Press would not have that information.

The Associated Press does not have the medical files from Dr. S's office either.

You can be high but the side effects for pain pills will put you on your ass. I have taken percocet and know about consitopation, vomiting, and stomach pain. Not to mention being glued to my bed. I am no bigger that Prince and took those pills like they were tic tacs. No way was he traveling to Australia, recording music, running his business and interacting with people with no one noticing and no break in his activities.

In addtion, he was seeing Dr. S for withdrawals from these meds making me think he may not have been taking them for very long and wanted to get off of them. Does not make him a addict who was out of control and he would not have been immune to the side effects of these drugs cab have on liver and kidneys which are devasting. I have family memebers who slowly died due to these issues. Can be slow and painful. This case is open for a reason not just some junky who O.D.

Lovejunky said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, thanks for mentioning that. I have pointed that out about Dr. Strobyl a while back. Her expertise in "Fentanyl" was quite alarming to me. This to me, just does not seem like your typical drug overdose/open & shut case. Something has felt very wrong about this, from the beginning. There is a saying that goes something like this.....when things don't add up, it means something is "wrong"!! And that holds true in the sudden and suspicious death of Prince, imo.

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There is a Facebook page, "Getting 2 the truth" that discusses in great detail the timeline of events, which I found quite interesting.

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This part really got me.......Strangely these same people (that found your body) via Andrew's and his father's lawyer, changed the time frame of their arrival at your home from 9:10a.m / 9:15 a.m. to a much later time 9:37 a.m.. Most likely because people began to question why took them so long to call 911. At first they claimed it took them almost 30 minutes to find you because PP was a huge complex, hence why they made the 911 at 9:43 a.m. Yet when it was reported that your lifeless body was slumped on the first floor in the elevator located right by the main atrium and entrance their prior time frame did not make sense. Yet, to male matter worst the one given by the lawyer does not add up either. There is not enough time to pick someone up, at 9:30 am from a hotel, drive, open PP gate, park the car, walk to PP, open the door, look for you and call 911 in the span of 12 minutes.

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YEP...

and WHY on the autopsy report under Date of INJURY does it say UNKNOWN ????????

It tells us where the injury occured RESIDENCE

Address of Injury RESIDENCE ,

Place of INJURY,RESIDENCE

HOW the Injury occured THE DECEDENT SELF ADMINISTRED FENTANYL

but they dont know the DATE the Injury Occurred ?????????

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Yes, that is very suspicious! Makes me wonder if they are unsure about the actual time of death. I mean, they found him on April 21st, so why not put that date as the day the injury occurred? I just don't get it!

leec1 said:

laurarichardson said:

leec1 said: --That is the short report which would only list the direct cause of death. All other health information would be in the full report. That report will be sealed for 30 years or the family can release it. Do you really think that P was high out of his ass doing the amount of things he was doing 24/7. In addition, it was not found that these drugs were in his system from prior test the day before.

The Associated Press article indicated there were no other conditions listed as cause of death. I am aware that this is the short autopsy report.

Also reported in an Associate Press article is that the test report prior to his death that showed no fentanyl happened at the time of the narcan save shot.

Yes, you can be high 24/7 and learn to function. I don't do drugs but have spent a lot of time over the years with people who did drugs all the time and they "functioned" until they didn't function. Most of them are now deceased.

Um. As a nurse I've had patients with all sorts of diseases have "heart failure" or "respiratory failure" as a cause of death. Ever known anyone to die and their heart or respirations didn't fail/stop? Of course not. Hear/respiration stopping is the very definition of death. Doh

It's a catchall phrase commonly used by MEs/doctors, especially when they're not really tryna go there or if the family might be in a hurry to dispose of the loved one quickly because they have pre-knowledge of an underlying illness that they'd prefer to keep private.

By a similar token, only listing "Fentanyl overdose" as an initial cause of death doesn't eliminate other predisposing/underlying illnesses.

I stated this before, but
can't the case still be open
BECAUSE Prince had this illegal deadly street drugs
(the Watson pills)
and that in of itself calls in the DEA
And yes just because they list
accidental Fent. overdose
as cause of death, well, because the fatal amount of Fent.
came from the illegal deadly street drug sitting in his stomach.

cloveringold85 said:

:nod:yep. Prince Getting 2 the Truth has laid out the time frame and it does not add up.

Lovejunky said:

cloveringold85 said:

Another thing that I find perplexing is that Prince overdosed on Percocet on the plane (supposedly), and then he overdoses a few days later on something even more powerful, which was Fentanyl (illegal) street drugs, which is more powerful than heroin. Keep in mind that he did not have any prescriptions for pain meds, so who knows how long he was taking that stuff. Now, we still don't know if he took the lethal Fentanyl, knowingly. My personal opinion is that I don't think he knew. I have suspected foul-play from the very beginning.

Yeah...

There was no mention of Fentanyl until the Dr Quinn Stobyl,s Autopsy report...

and even Curiouser..

Dr.Quinn Stobyl has been involved in the Publication of three academic Papers concentrated on Fentanyl Toxcicity..

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/articles/23485343/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19876859

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1556-4029.2007.00481.x/abstract

I have pointed that out a while back. Somehow seems relevant to me...

LBrent said:

Something else bothered me months ago, but got lost in the earlier disruptions...

P's hair.

Ok, he went back to the 'fro, right?

But after so much started to point to him not looking so well in the past coupla years I really started to pay attention to WHEN he went back to the 'fro.

For those who do not have 'fro textured hair, bear with me...When folks "go natural" and stop using relaxers, etc it's a big thing to do a "big chop". which means cutting off all the chemically treated hair. Granted, not everyone does it but it is a known thing to do in the "back to natural hair" movement.

Now, the general public would most likely simply write it off as P "being weird" and since we P fans have been used to him doing lotsa things to his hair at first it was just yet another "P thing".

BUT...

What if he deliberately coincided going natural/a "big chop" with a loss of hair due to LOSING hair due to medication for a serious illness (ex. Cancer) and it was largely ignored cuz folks wrote it off as yet another example of P doing something shocking/different?

I've even heard folks say the 'fro was a wig or looked like a wig. I blew it off at the time, but...

what if at first it was? And he eventually grew his hair back to what's known in the natural hair community as a "TWA" (Teeny Weeny Afro)?

If he wore those knitted caps over some sort of wig/hair appliance for a few months he could've definitely come back with a "TWA" without being seen bald.

Dammit, now I'm getting teary thinking about P trying to maintain his business, retain his dignity, maintain his privacy, maintain a modicum of a life...He was going through it thee past few years, really going through it...And it makes me so sad that he seemed to have orchestrated it to go through it mostly alone.

I believe his hair was natural. There's a video on YT from 2015 I think and you can see a bald patch on the top of his head when he turns around .

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MMJas said:

LBrent said:

Something else bothered me months ago, but got lost in the earlier disruptions...

P's hair.

Ok, he went back to the 'fro, right?

But after so much started to point to him not looking so well in the past coupla years I really started to pay attention to WHEN he went back to the 'fro.

For those who do not have 'fro textured hair, bear with me...When folks "go natural" and stop using relaxers, etc it's a big thing to do a "big chop". which means cutting off all the chemically treated hair. Granted, not everyone does it but it is a known thing to do in the "back to natural hair" movement.

Now, the general public would most likely simply write it off as P "being weird" and since we P fans have been used to him doing lotsa things to his hair at first it was just yet another "P thing".

BUT...

What if he deliberately coincided going natural/a "big chop" with a loss of hair due to LOSING hair due to medication for a serious illness (ex. Cancer) and it was largely ignored cuz folks wrote it off as yet another example of P doing something shocking/different?

I've even heard folks say the 'fro was a wig or looked like a wig. I blew it off at the time, but...

what if at first it was? And he eventually grew his hair back to what's known in the natural hair community as a "TWA" (Teeny Weeny Afro)?

If he wore those knitted caps over some sort of wig/hair appliance for a few months he could've definitely come back with a "TWA" without being seen bald.

Dammit, now I'm getting teary thinking about P trying to maintain his business, retain his dignity, maintain his privacy, maintain a modicum of a life...He was going through it thee past few years, really going through it...And it makes me so sad that he seemed to have orchestrated it to go through it mostly alone.

I believe his hair was natural. There's a video on YT from 2015 I think and you can see a bald patch on the top of his head when he turns around .

[Edited 12/6/16 2:19am]

I agree that his hair was natural, but the reason behind why after all these decades of wearing it chemically altered, I question why he suddenly appearedto decide to change it.

I think part of his reasons were that at this age he was over it, but I also think he might have decided to go natural due to hair loss resulting from taking medication due to an illness.

The time period for his hair change coincides with his other noted physical changes.

I gotta catch a plane.

Back in a few hours.

Laterz!

Mumio said:

AIDS drugs can also lead to organ damage/failure either directly or as a side-effect of other conditions going on along with the disease itself. An example of that is vasculitis.

Lala Escarzega was a dancer who made a video for Extra Lovable with him she made these comments on her Twitter on April 29^th after the Enquier ran their AIDS story. She also had a few things to say on her Facebook which have now been deleted. She was pretty adamant that he did not have AIDS and that we don’t know the real story. Just like his ex manager Julie Ramandan said about the Judith Hill story making a comment about how she should tell the whole story.

https://twitter.com/LalaEscarzega