LBrent said:

LBrent said:

PennyPurple said:

In the last picture taken of him, the one at Walgreens, wasn't he wearing that stocking cap, and was in all black? If he was, then it sounds to me like he was in the same clothes and just took his shoes off.

I asked this months ago and it was discovered that the pic was NOT in Walgreen's parking lot.

TMZ misrepresented a pic of P taken at DMV.

As a matter of fact if you search the archived thread, an orger from Minnesota said she had Google Mapped it. And another orger from Minnesota's sis-in-law I think, was the DMV worker who took P's driver's license pic.

I'm telling y'all, searching the old discussions about all this now that some time has passed might be helpful for those asking questions that were asked back in May/June?July/Aug 2016.

If you weren't there for those first threads you'll be shocked.

And take note of the past AND current disrupters.

Jus sayin

I was going to second that as well, that someone from the area stated that the "Walgreens" pic was actually from the DMV.

LBrent said:

Another thing I said right at the first, even before the ME report was back...I said that mebbe someone with access to the PP security system TURNED IT OFF. That was also dismissed as silly. Until another orger who lives near PP was told by a connect they knew personally that PP's security system was OFF that night.

As time went on I think this was also mention by the media. I'm not sure cuz I stopped paying attention to the thread cuz the same folks insisted on disrupting conversations and pints made were lost in the endless battles. I gave up trying to discuss it.

But if my posts are archived, the points I tried to make months ago were that if he was last seen at 8p or so, by whom? Security footage should show who, no?

And if securitywas off the company would have records of who ordered it off, no?

And for how long?

I also asked how the folks got into PP that morning. Who had a key/security access?

Again, the disrupters shut that line of questions down.

I was more emotional then and didn't have the calmn to ask questions, put out possible scenrios AND try to wade through deliberately disruptive posts, plus deal with what was/is my real life concerns.

As those of you who frequent this thread and others like it, there are several who aren't interested in entertaining possible scenarios of what might've happened on the plane and what might've happened the night of 4/20 into the morning of 4/21...Yet they continue to visit this thread to disrupt and distract and be rude.

If they aren't interested, we've already heard that. Why continue to come back repeatedly to disrupt the conversation?

Anyway, I see that as time has passed details have dribbled out. Hopefully more will come out.

Weknow it's FAR from cut and dried.

[Edited 12/2/16 12:38pm]

The problem I have with the second hand info about cctv being off at PP is that Sheriff Olson himself, (when asked questions on 4/21) definitively said that they had the recordings and were going to investigate that, being that is protocol....not exact quote, but summed up from Q&A with Sheriff Olson.

precioux said:

LBrent said:

Another thing I said right at the first, even before the ME report was back...I said that mebbe someone with access to the PP security system TURNED IT OFF. That was also dismissed as silly. Until another orger who lives near PP was told by a connect they knew personally that PP's security system was OFF that night.

As time went on I think this was also mention by the media. I'm not sure cuz I stopped paying attention to the thread cuz the same folks insisted on disrupting conversations and pints made were lost in the endless battles. I gave up trying to discuss it.

But if my posts are archived, the points I tried to make months ago were that if he was last seen at 8p or so, by whom? Security footage should show who, no?

And if securitywas off the company would have records of who ordered it off, no?

And for how long?

I also asked how the folks got into PP that morning. Who had a key/security access?

Again, the disrupters shut that line of questions down.

I was more emotional then and didn't have the calmn to ask questions, put out possible scenrios AND try to wade through deliberately disruptive posts, plus deal with what was/is my real life concerns.

As those of you who frequent this thread and others like it, there are several who aren't interested in entertaining possible scenarios of what might've happened on the plane and what might've happened the night of 4/20 into the morning of 4/21...Yet they continue to visit this thread to disrupt and distract and be rude.

If they aren't interested, we've already heard that. Why continue to come back repeatedly to disrupt the conversation?

Anyway, I see that as time has passed details have dribbled out. Hopefully more will come out.

Weknow it's FAR from cut and dried.

[Edited 12/2/16 12:38pm]

The problem I have with the second hand info about cctv being off at PP is that Sheriff Olson himself, (when asked questions on 4/21) definitively said that they had the recordings and were going to investigate that, being that is protocol....not exact quote, but summed up from Q&A with Sheriff Olson.

I see your point about second hand information, however, if the cameras were on and the tapes confiscated by law enforcement contained recordings that weren't blank, it would make sense that whomever was in PP between 4/20 and 4/21 would be on tape and it would be known when P entered the elevator, whether going into PP or if he was trying to leave PP, no?

Also, I have never been to PP so I don't know the layout of security cameras, but would there be footage to show P arriving outside, going in, going wherever inside, then the events that led to him being in the elevator and all the way up until the entrance of whomever came in the morning?

Also, I hope law enforcement searched his living quarters to find out: Did he use the shower? Was his bed disturbed, did he go to bed? Did he eat or drink? What was disturbed in the normal course of him arriving home that might give answers to whether he was alone or not?

In the early threads, I also asked how did the fir ones who found him get itno PP if the security system was engaged? If it was on someone had to know the code and/or have a key, no? Also, those first arrivers had to know the layout to find him in the elevator, no?

If I went into PP I would have to wander around to find things because I don't know the layout.

I also mentioned lividity showing what position P was in an the approximate duration. Also, when folks are panicked and trying to cover up whatever by possibly dressing him for modesty or foul play, folks don't realize that dead bodies can carry bruises/finger marks due too handling that may seem gentle but really isn't.

And why did Kirk disappear so quickly, only to resurface much later? Why does the family not seem to be shunning anyone as if they suspect them of guilt/complicity?

[Edited 12/2/16 13:34pm]

LBrent said:

precioux said:

The problem I have with the second hand info about cctv being off at PP is that Sheriff Olson himself, (when asked questions on 4/21) definitively said that they had the recordings and were going to investigate that, being that is protocol....not exact quote, but summed up from Q&A with Sheriff Olson.

I see your point about second hand information, however, if the cameras were on and the tapes confiscated by law enforcement contained recordings that weren't blank, it would make sense that whomever was in PP between 4/20 and 4/21 would be on tape and it would be known when P entered the elevator, whether going into PP or if he was trying to leave PP, no?

Also, I have never been to PP so I don't know the layout of security cameras, but would there be footage to show P arriving outside, going in, going wherever inside, then the events that led to him being in the elevator and all the way up until the entrance of whomever came in the morning?

Also, I hope law enforcement searched his living quarters to find out: Did he use the shower? Was his bed disturbed, did he go to bed? Did he eat or drink? What was disturbed in the normal course of him arriving home that might give answers to whether he was alone or not?

In the early threads, I also asked how did the fir ones who found him get itno PP if the security system was engaged? If it was on someone had to know the code and/or have a key, no? Also, those first arrivers had to know the layout to find him in the elevator, no?

If I went into PP I would have to wander around to find things because I don't know the layout.

I also mentioned lividity showing what position P was in an the approximate duration. Also, when folks are panicked and trying to cover up whatever by possibly dressing him for modesty or foul play, folks don't realize that dead bodies can carry bruises/finger marks due too handling that may seem gentle but really isn't.

And why did Kirk disappear so quickly, only to resurface much later? Why does the family not seem to be shunning anyone as if they suspect them of guilt/complicity?

[Edited 12/2/16 13:34pm]

Ok, a few points here.

1.Wheter he was coming in or out....that has never been divulged to my knowledge...BUT, a question to that question as well (in regards to cctv), IF Carver County actually has the tapes, MAYBE that is the one reason they were able to distinctively state "self administered"?

2.The cook stated the food he had prepared for P was not touched.

3. Even if the security system was engaged, is it the same or separate from the cctv?

4.Kirk went straight to Switzerland....and I don't know that some are not being purposefully ostracized...I just got finished reading the article with Lenny Kravitz from 4/27 in RS. I had heard and saw his interview on 4/21 in which he stated he "thought he was pretty sure what happened to P", but THIS....he flat out stated.."I heard about the plane incident, AND I KNEW WHAT HAPPENED. I figured P dodged a bullet and it was one-off, life goes on...then I heard the news that he died and a part of me died as well". He STRAIGHT UP SAID HE KNEW....have you seen Lenny at ANY tributes?? Now he is supposedly scheduled for the 4/21/17 celebration...I dunno. Lenny was very close to P, and others I can mention that have not been included in tributes. makes me wonder

precioux said:

LBrent said:

I see your point about second hand information, however, if the cameras were on and the tapes confiscated by law enforcement contained recordings that weren't blank, it would make sense that whomever was in PP between 4/20 and 4/21 would be on tape and it would be known when P entered the elevator, whether going into PP or if he was trying to leave PP, no?

Also, I have never been to PP so I don't know the layout of security cameras, but would there be footage to show P arriving outside, going in, going wherever inside, then the events that led to him being in the elevator and all the way up until the entrance of whomever came in the morning?

Also, I hope law enforcement searched his living quarters to find out: Did he use the shower? Was his bed disturbed, did he go to bed? Did he eat or drink? What was disturbed in the normal course of him arriving home that might give answers to whether he was alone or not?

In the early threads, I also asked how did the fir ones who found him get itno PP if the security system was engaged? If it was on someone had to know the code and/or have a key, no? Also, those first arrivers had to know the layout to find him in the elevator, no?

If I went into PP I would have to wander around to find things because I don't know the layout.

I also mentioned lividity showing what position P was in an the approximate duration. Also, when folks are panicked and trying to cover up whatever by possibly dressing him for modesty or foul play, folks don't realize that dead bodies can carry bruises/finger marks due too handling that may seem gentle but really isn't.

And why did Kirk disappear so quickly, only to resurface much later? Why does the family not seem to be shunning anyone as if they suspect them of guilt/complicity?

[Edited 12/2/16 13:34pm]

Ok, a few points here.

1.Wheter he was coming in or out....that has never been divulged to my knowledge...BUT, a question to that question as well (in regards to cctv), IF Carver County actually has the tapes, MAYBE that is the one reason they were able to distinctively state "self administered"?

2.The cook stated the food he had prepared for P was not touched.

3. Even if the security system was engaged, is it the same or separate from the cctv?

4.Kirk went straight to Switzerland....and I don't know that some are not being purposefully ostracized...I just got finished reading the article with Lenny Kravitz from 4/27 in RS. I had heard and saw his interview on 4/21 in which he stated he "thought he was pretty sure what happened to P", but THIS....he flat out stated.."I heard about the plane incident, AND I KNEW WHAT HAPPENED. I figured P dodged a bullet and it was one-off, life goes on...then I heard the news that he died and a part of me died as well". He STRAIGHT UP SAID HE KNEW....have you seen Lenny at ANY tributes?? Now he is supposedly scheduled for the 4/21/17 celebration...I dunno. Lenny was very close to P, and others I can mention that have not been included in tributes. makes me wonder

Lol

My questions were rhetorical...since when these things were questioned early on and the conversations disrupted and since those early days more information has dribbled out.

I have no doubt more will trickle out as time goes by.

It's the distraction from those seeking to disrupt the conversations that will cloud the newer information and keep it from being easily tracked.

LBrent said:

precioux said:

LBrent said:

Another thing I said right at the first, even before the ME report was back...I said that mebbe someone with access to the PP security system TURNED IT OFF. That was also dismissed as silly. Until another orger who lives near PP was told by a connect they knew personally that PP's security system was OFF that night.

As time went on I think this was also mention by the media. I'm not sure cuz I stopped paying attention to the thread cuz the same folks insisted on disrupting conversations and pints made were lost in the endless battles. I gave up trying to discuss it.

But if my posts are archived, the points I tried to make months ago were that if he was last seen at 8p or so, by whom? Security footage should show who, no?

And if securitywas off the company would have records of who ordered it off, no?

And for how long?

I also asked how the folks got into PP that morning. Who had a key/security access?

Again, the disrupters shut that line of questions down.

I was more emotional then and didn't have the calmn to ask questions, put out possible scenrios AND try to wade through deliberately disruptive posts, plus deal with what was/is my real life concerns.

As those of you who frequent this thread and others like it, there are several who aren't interested in entertaining possible scenarios of what might've happened on the plane and what might've happened the night of 4/20 into the morning of 4/21...Yet they continue to visit this thread to disrupt and distract and be rude.

If they aren't interested, we've already heard that. Why continue to come back repeatedly to disrupt the conversation?

Anyway, I see that as time has passed details have dribbled out. Hopefully more will come out.

Weknow it's FAR from cut and dried.

[Edited 12/2/16 12:38pm]

The problem I have with the second hand info about cctv being off at PP is that Sheriff Olson himself, (when asked questions on 4/21) definitively said that they had the recordings and were going to investigate that, being that is protocol....not exact quote, but summed up from Q&A with Sheriff Olson.

*i* am the orger who once posted this months ago:

my friend, whose deceased father was once a vendor for Paisley Park, knows (through his deceased father's friend) someone who works for the security company that worked at the Park.

shortly after Prince passed on, my friend told me that he heard, from his friend, that the security company had returned to the Park to 'turn on' the system.

please note: this is HEARSAY. i regret ever even posting it. i cannot even confirm if this is true.

IF it is true, i do not know what part of the system they allegedly 'turned back on.'

was it the gate? maybe. i dont know.

the door locks? maybe i don't know.

the computers attached to security? maybe. i don't know.

was it the CCTV? maybe. i don't know

i haven't followed up with my friend, nor asked him to ask HIS friend, what was meant when this friend-of-a-friend said he had been back out to the Park to 'turn on' the system.

i have no detail whatsoever, only a second-hand rumor from the friend of a friend.

if the media have picked up on this rumor then the media has been very careless and irresponsible for reporting it as fact.

my apologies for ever mentioning it here. did not mean to mislead anyone and certainly didn't know that media hounds would run with it so foolishly. at the very least, any journalist running with this rumor needs to VERIFY THE FACTS FIRST.

i feel very very sure that the investigative team has already been in contact with the security company. there is no doubt that they did not forget this line of inquiry. the status of the security system would be a key element of the investigation.

don't worry - the criminal investigation team will have likely already have served subpoenas for any and all records pertaining to security at the park. they have most likely already reviewed said records by now.

thanks for listening. again i sincerely apologize for reporting a rumor

[Edited 12/2/16 14:19pm]

LBrent said:

I see your point about second hand information, however, if the cameras were on and the tapes confiscated by law enforcement contained recordings that weren't blank, it would make sense that whomever was in PP between 4/20 and 4/21 would be on tape and it would be known when P entered the elevator, whether going into PP or if he was trying to leave PP, no?

According to this post, reply #5 from a while back the elevator did have a camera.

Sure hope that if there is footage, it will never see the light of day.

http://prince.org/msg/7/425795

XxAxX said:

precioux said:

The problem I have with the second hand info about cctv being off at PP is that Sheriff Olson himself, (when asked questions on 4/21) definitively said that they had the recordings and were going to investigate that, being that is protocol....not exact quote, but summed up from Q&A with Sheriff Olson.

*i* am the orger who once posted this months ago:

my friend, whose deceased father was once a vendor for Paisley Park, knows (through his deceased father's friend) someone who works for the security company that worked at the Park.

shortly after Prince passed on, my friend told me that he heard, from his friend, that the security company had returned to the Park to 'turn on' the system.

please note: this is HEARSAY. i regret ever even posting it. i cannot even confirm if this is true.

IF it is true, i do not know what part of the system they allegedly 'turned back on.'

was it the gate? maybe. i dont know.

the door locks? maybe i don't know.

the computers attached to security? maybe. i don't know.

was it the CCTV? maybe. i don't know

i haven't followed up with my friend, nor asked him to ask HIS friend, what was meant when this friend-of-a-friend said he had been back out to the Park to 'turn on' the system.

i have no detail whatsoever, only a second-hand rumor from the friend of a friend.

if the media have picked up on this rumor then the media has been very careless and irresponsible for reporting it as fact.

my apologies for ever mentioning it here. did not mean to mislead anyone and certainly didn't know that media hounds would run with it so foolishly. at the very least, any journalist running with this rumor needs to VERIFY THE FACTS FIRST.

i feel very very sure that the investigative team has already been in contact with the security company. there is no doubt that they did not forget this line of inquiry. the status of the security system would be a key element of the investigation.

don't worry - the criminal investigation team will have likely already have served subpoenas for any and all records pertaining to security at the park. they have most likely already reviewed said records by now.

thanks for listening. again i sincerely apologize for reporting a rumor

[Edited 12/2/16 14:19pm]

I wasn't gonna drag your name into the fray cuz I had your back...

Here's a link another orger sent from an earlier discussion about the Walgreens and location and GoogleMaps and TMZ:

http://prince.org/msg/7/424706?&pg=1

precioux said:

mnfriend said:

precioux said:

XxaxX, Yes, I was aware that you posted the info about the security being turned off and that the information gotten was from a friend of a friend. There was no malice intended when I wrote "second hand info"...not at all, especially for Lbrent(whom I actually admire for her posts) to "have your back". I was only clarifying that Sheriff Olson did state that the tapes were retrieved and being reviewed. I don't think that it has been stated in the media that the security was turned off, rather I think posters here took your info as gospel and ran with it. No harm, no foul and I definitely was NOT trying to attack or discredit you in any way- only stating what is already out there from day one out of Sherriff Olson's mouth and the other point I was trying to make was if in fact they have the tapes and reviewed them, could that be the reason why the ME definitively stated this was "self administered" on P's part.

Chile puhleez, not "have her back" against you.

I meant have her back cuz she might not have wanted to be dragged back into this crazymaking mess. I also didn't want to make her a target for disrupters.

laurarichardson said:

precioux said:

Lbrent, You know how much I truly enjoy your spunkiness and posts, but I'm so confused! I don't quite get your response earlier...I was commenting or rather "thinking out loud" in response to your post- then you said your questions were "rhetorical " I know rhetorical, but can't put it in context with your post ...are you insinuating that I'm a "disrupter"...excuse me if I'm having a "blonde" moment...(which I'm not) lol! I'm on here with no malice, only for the true bond we all have in common, and to hash it out with our own questions and theories. This is a place where I feel free to do that...the rest of the world does not get it or understand Peace and Love

Ok...Now I'm confused...

But to clear up any misunderstanding, NO...I'm not insinuating that you're a disrupter AT ALL.

But look at folks in the past few pages who have gone out of their way to dismiss/diminish/be derisive in regards to the concerns voiced in this thread and other similar threads...

It's funny how the same few posters manage to despise these topics yet also manage to find their way into threads discussing these very topics time and time again to remind everyone who is interested in these conversations just how naive/deluded/stoopit/insert other insults we all are.

And if I'm not mistaken, I think they're mostly male, but I could certainly be wrong.

They claim to want to "discuss P's music/art" cuz these trhead topics are beneath them and bring down the collective Org intellect, yet they can't help themselves from finding their way, like moths to a flame, into these discussions for the express purpose of disruption.

LBrent said:

precioux said:

XxaxX, Yes, I was aware that you posted the info about the security being turned off and that the information gotten was from a friend of a friend. There was no malice intended when I wrote "second hand info"...not at all, especially for Lbrent(whom I actually admire for her posts) to "have your back". I was only clarifying that Sheriff Olson did state that the tapes were retrieved and being reviewed. I don't think that it has been stated in the media that the security was turned off, rather I think posters here took your info as gospel and ran with it. No harm, no foul and I definitely was NOT trying to attack or discredit you in any way- only stating what is already out there from day one out of Sherriff Olson's mouth and the other point I was trying to make was if in fact they have the tapes and reviewed them, could that be the reason why the ME definitively stated this was "self administered" on P's part.

oh honey i know!!! never meant to make you feel like you need to apologize!!! never even felt that way. sorry i gave that impression, all is well

LBrent said:

precioux said:

XxaxX, Yes, I was aware that you posted the info about the security being turned off and that the information gotten was from a friend of a friend. There was no malice intended when I wrote "second hand info"...not at all, especially for Lbrent(whom I actually admire for her posts) to "have your back". I was only clarifying that Sheriff Olson did state that the tapes were retrieved and being reviewed. I don't think that it has been stated in the media that the security was turned off, rather I think posters here took your info as gospel and ran with it. No harm, no foul and I definitely was NOT trying to attack or discredit you in any way- only stating what is already out there from day one out of Sherriff Olson's mouth and the other point I was trying to make was if in fact they have the tapes and reviewed them, could that be the reason why the ME definitively stated this was "self administered" on P's part.

Chile puhleez, not "have her back" against you.

I meant have her back cuz she might not have wanted to be dragged back into this crazymaking mess. I also didn't want to make her a target for disrupters.

oh my gosh look at us!!! we're on the same side here, no offense taken whatsoever!!!! i never meant to imply there was an issue. i'm just sorry and feeling guilty i basically started a rumor on here with no proof and i really do apologize for that. what i said is true, insofar as this is what i heard from my friend. i was pretty irresponsible to have posted that here to begin with. love you both!!

XxAxX said:

LBrent said:

Chile puhleez, not "have her back" against you.

I meant have her back cuz she might not have wanted to be dragged back into this crazymaking mess. I also didn't want to make her a target for disrupters.

oh my gosh look at us!!! we're on the same side here, no offense taken whatsoever!!!! i never meant to imply there was an issue. i'm just sorry and feeling guilty i basically started a rumor on here with no proof and i really do apologize for that. what i said is true, insofar as this is what i heard from my friend. i was pretty irresponsible to have posted that here to begin with. love you both!!

Lawd, we're a mess...Simply a purple mess!

[Edited 12/2/16 18:14pm]

LBrent said:

XxAxX said:

oh my gosh look at us!!! we're on the same side here, no offense taken whatsoever!!!! i never meant to imply there was an issue. i'm just sorry and feeling guilty i basically started a rumor on here with no proof and i really do apologize for that. what i said is true, insofar as this is what i heard from my friend. i was pretty irresponsible to have posted that here to begin with. love you both!!

Lawd, we're a mess...Simply a purple mess!

[Edited 12/2/16 18:14pm]

thank you. this community means a lot to me, even more now that our number one Orger has passed on.

XxAxX said:

I really wish people would stop posting videos about "Prince was murdered" on FB and other sites...

purplethunder3121 said:

I really wish people would stop posting videos about "Prince was murdered" on FB and other sites...

I know right...very disturbing....

precioux said:

XxAxX said:

thank you. this community means a lot to me, even more now that our number one Orger has passed on.

Ditto!

Im going to join in the LOVE Fest....

DiTTO from me too...

Lovejunky said:

purplethunder3121 said:

I really wish people would stop posting videos about "Prince was murdered" on FB and other sites...

I know right...very disturbing....

I don't look at them. But it's frigging annoying as hell to see it in the so-called newsfeed...

purplethunder3121 said:

Lovejunky said:

I know right...very disturbing....

I don't look at them. But it's frigging annoying as hell to see it in the so-called newsfeed...

I dont either and yes it is