cloveringold85 said:

zenarose said:

I agree with you CLOVER and DIBS. You can look at this from so many different angles. The trick is

being able to discuss it and be able to see other's points of view. After all we all are looking for the

same thing. Truth. And none of us have any set in stone proof of anything. We are here discussing

and not beating each other up. LOL I don't know you personally but I respect you

greatly and your opinions matter to me. I'm glad all yall and me are purple fam.

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Zena: Awww, that was so sweet. Big hugs, and to you too, Dibs!

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I'm glad there are a few of us who are mature enough to respect each other's opinions and we can all get along, which is what Prince would want.

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Like you said, Zena; we are all here for the same thing; the truth.

Well, the thing is, there will always be ideas, theories, viewpoints about all aspects of life: I don't necessarily agree with them all. But I'm not going to be rude to the people expressing them. So long as people aren't being personally offensive to me, I'll just leave them to it! I can't understand the reasoning behind being venomous, supercilious, and unpleasant...What does it achieve?

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Dibblekins said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Zena: Awww, that was so sweet. Big hugs, and to you too, Dibs!

.

I'm glad there are a few of us who are mature enough to respect each other's opinions and we can all get along, which is what Prince would want.

.

Like you said, Zena; we are all here for the same thing; the truth.

Well, the thing is, there will always be ideas, theories, viewpoints about all aspects of life: I don't necessarily agree with them all. But I'm not going to be rude to the people expressing them. If people aren't being personally offensive to me, I can't understand the reasoning behind being venomous, supercilious, and unpleasant...What does it achieve?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!

Dibblekins said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Zena: Awww, that was so sweet. Big hugs, and to you too, Dibs!

.

I'm glad there are a few of us who are mature enough to respect each other's opinions and we can all get along, which is what Prince would want.

.

Like you said, Zena; we are all here for the same thing; the truth.

Well, the thing is, there will always be ideas, theories, viewpoints about all aspects of life: I don't necessarily agree with them all. But I'm not going to be rude to the people expressing them. If people aren't being personally offensive to me, I can't understand the reasoning behind being venomous, supercilious, and unpleasant...What does it achieve?

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Agreed

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BTW, the trolls are back at it on the "death thread" again.

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I think they need to go and start their own "troll" thread, and discuss about all us crazies!!

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[Edited 10/30/16 12:59pm]

CooperC62057 said:

sonshine said:

CooperC62057 said:

THIS. Exactly, Sonshine, exactly. Btw, how did the content of the "curiosities" thread and the "death" thread get so reversed? Did the Queen order this as a means of muddying the waters?

Yeah, I give up. Poor prince. I'm sure he would rather his fans were discussing his music and his accomplishments and not the sensitive issues surrounding his death. Like I said when somee of the folks here find themselves in the shoes of people closest to Prince then maybe they will understand how nothing and everything is normal in these situations. They have no right to judge the actions of any of the people involved without being there and without first hand knowledge of the situation. Speculate all you want or move on. It's your choice. I'm trying to move forwsrd. Good luck to all of you.

.

I have no problem agreeing to disagree. All of us are speculating, as we don't have all the facts, yet. If people don't like the thread topic, they shouldn't be here. Simple as that.

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Some people are very sensitive to discussing Prince's death. I understand that. However, I think it's only human nature to what to know what happened, and it's all been a healing process for most of us, and I have met some very fine people here as well. We are all grieving and trying to cope with losing Prince.

.

Sonshine: Did you see/read my post #345 (response to you)?

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cloveringold85 said:

Isn't funny how people will complain about a thread topic, but yet they are in here making comments about it?

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Also, I find it interesting how when you question someone's comments, they don't want to respond. It's like a one-sided conversation, and their opinion only matters. Okay.

.

Later!!

SONSHINE: I am going to share this only because some think that no one could possibly have any idea what those around Prince might have been going through. This is painful but I will share.

I had a boss that was like my son. I loved him dearly. He was addicted to prescription drugs. In his

eyes, he was safe and not addicted because a Dr. prescribed them for him. The Dr. prescribed 180

of these pills at a time. Plus anything else you might want, all you had to do was tell him and he

would write it. There also was 2 surgeons in my bosses's family and that didn't help matters. For 5

years I battled his drug problem. Cleaning him up when he puked everywhere, hiding car

keys, throwing away prescriptions when I found them. (He had them hid everywhere) He would

would pass out and I would take him home and keep watch over him until he would finaly wake up.

I never left him alone. If he didn't show up for work I was scared to death going over to find him

and see if he was ok... alive. His mother came to me and asked me to help her plan an intervention.

We failed at trying to get him to go and get help. A few months later he had a car accident and he

had a choice of jail or 90 day rehab. He went to rehab of course. It did no good. He was back at it

within days of getting out. There were many times that he was so messed up and I refused to leave

him and he was furious. I simply handed him the phone and told him to call the police and have me

removed, then I could tell them that he was a danger to himself and others. Needless to say, I won

those battles. The end for me came when I threw away every last stash he had. He was livid and

fired me. 3 weeks later, he took his pills, drank a good bit of wine, and got into a hot tub. 12 years

ago on Christmas Eve, my boss died of a drug overdose. He was 33 years old. A good looking,

loving, funny, smart, man. I can only imagine how the people that truly love Prince feel. I know how

I feel and it's been 12 long years. You never know the trials and pain that a person on the other

side of screen has had in their lives. Plese be kind because you never know.

sonshine said:

cloveringold85 said:

.

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Sonshine said: "Andrew kornfeld was picked up from the airport after taking a red eye from the west coast and left at his hotel to freshen up. I don't believe it was reported that he went to sleep. And if I recall he made his way to PP alone and when no one answered the phone or the door at PP he contacted the asst and kirk who came to let him in."

.

This is the first I've heard of this. If Andrew didn't go to the Hotel to sleep, then what would be the purpose of getting a hotel room?

.

Is that a fact that Andrew went to PP on his own, or are you speculating?

.

So, you are saying that Andrew had Kirks personal phone number and called him to meet him at PP?

I suppose he got the room to have a place to freshen up and collect himself. This is just what I'm assuming. I'm still not sure now about how he got to PP because I'm almost certain It was reported he arrived alone. And yes he must have had kirk and the asst numbers but that makes sense. I'm sure they were communicating over the prior day. Dr kornfeld dis also arrange for a local doctor to see prince with Andrew that morning. So these people aren't as reckless as some believe.

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Okay, so that was your assumption. I understand. Thanks!

.

You and I feel differently regarding the supposed "intervention" (The Kornfelds) and that's totally okay with me. I respect your opinion.

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[Edited 10/30/16 13:41pm]

zenarose said:

SONSHINE: I am going to share this only because some think that no one could possibly have any idea what those around Prince might have been going through. This is painful but I will share.

I had a boss that was like my son. I loved him dearly. He was addicted to prescription drugs. In his

eyes, he was safe and not addicted because a Dr. prescribed them for him. The Dr. prescribed 180

of these pills at a time. Plus anything else you might want, all you had to do was tell him and he

would write it. There also was 2 surgeons in my bosses's family and that didn't help matters. For 5

years I battled his drug problem. Cleaning him up when he puked everywhere, hiding car

keys, throwing away prescriptions when I found them. (He had them hid everywhere) He would

would pass out and I would take him home and keep watch over him until he would finaly wake up.

I never left him alone. If he didn't show up for work I was scared to death going over to find him

and see if he was ok... alive. His mother came to me and asked me to help her plan an intervention.

We failed at trying to get him to go and get help. A few months later he had a car accident and he

had a choice of jail or 90 day rehab. He went to rehab of course. It did no good. He was back at it

within days of getting out. There were many times that he was so messed up and I refused to leave

him and he was furious. I simply handed him the phone and told him to call the police and have me

removed, then I could tell them that he was a danger to himself and others. Needless to say, I won

those battles. The end for me came when I threw away every last stash he had. He was livid and

fired me. 3 weeks later, he took his pills, drank a good bit of wine, and got into a hot tub. 12 years

ago on Christmas Eve, my boss died of a drug overdose. He was 33 years old. A good looking,

loving, funny, smart, man. I can only imagine how the people that truly love Prince feel. I know how

I feel and it's been 12 long years. You never know the trials and pain that a person on the other

side of screen has had in their lives. Plese be kind because you never know.

.

Zena: I'm so sorry for your loss and going through something so horrific like that. I also lost a former boss, and he was the best boss I ever had; the most kind and giving person, and he was hit by a 80-something year-old woman who was DRUNK, and he died a few days later in the hospital from injuries he sustained and left behind 3-children and a wife who was a cancer survivor, but only a few months later, his widowed wife sucummed to cancer. Talk about hearbreaking!!

.

I just wanted to add what you were saying to Sonshine. MANY of us have suffered great losses. As you know, I lost my Mom and my husband lost his own Father when he was only 19-years old. I have endured a lot of loss in my life, so I know what I feels like to grieve for a loved one.

.

Peace & Love!

.

[Edited 10/30/16 13:48pm]

cloveringold85 said:

zenarose said:

SONSHINE: I am going to share this only because some think that no one could possibly have any idea what those around Prince might have been going through. This is painful but I will share.

I had a boss that was like my son. I loved him dearly. He was addicted to prescription drugs. In his

eyes, he was safe and not addicted because a Dr. prescribed them for him. The Dr. prescribed 180

of these pills at a time. Plus anything else you might want, all you had to do was tell him and he

would write it. There also was 2 surgeons in my bosses's family and that didn't help matters. For 5

years I battled his drug problem. Cleaning him up when he puked everywhere, hiding car

keys, throwing away prescriptions when I found them. (He had them hid everywhere) He would

would pass out and I would take him home and keep watch over him until he would finaly wake up.

I never left him alone. If he didn't show up for work I was scared to death going over to find him

and see if he was ok... alive. His mother came to me and asked me to help her plan an intervention.

We failed at trying to get him to go and get help. A few months later he had a car accident and he

had a choice of jail or 90 day rehab. He went to rehab of course. It did no good. He was back at it

within days of getting out. There were many times that he was so messed up and I refused to leave

him and he was furious. I simply handed him the phone and told him to call the police and have me

removed, then I could tell them that he was a danger to himself and others. Needless to say, I won

those battles. The end for me came when I threw away every last stash he had. He was livid and

fired me. 3 weeks later, he took his pills, drank a good bit of wine, and got into a hot tub. 12 years

ago on Christmas Eve, my boss died of a drug overdose. He was 33 years old. A good looking,

loving, funny, smart, man. I can only imagine how the people that truly love Prince feel. I know how

I feel and it's been 12 long years. You never know the trials and pain that a person on the other

side of screen has had in their lives. Plese be kind because you never know.

.

Zena: I'm so sorry for your loss and going through something so horrific like that. I also lost a former boss, and he was the best boss I ever had; the most kind and giving person, and he was hit by a 80-something year-old woman, and he died from injuries he sustained and left behind 3-children and a wife who was a cancer survivor, but only a few months later, his widowed wife sucummed to cancer. Talk about hearbreaking!!

.

I just wanted to add what you were saying to Sonshine. MANY of us have suffered great losses. As you know, I lost my Mom and my husband lost his own Father when he was only 19-years old. I have endured a lot of loss in my life, so I know what I feels like to grieve for a loved one.

.

Peace & Love!

Which is exactly my point. Many of us know about drug addiction and loss. Many of us know about terminal illness and loss. To say that no one can possibly begin to know how P's family or the inner circle feels is just wrong. Many of us have a very good idea.

zenarose said:

cloveringold85 said:

.

Zena: I'm so sorry for your loss and going through something so horrific like that. I also lost a former boss, and he was the best boss I ever had; the most kind and giving person, and he was hit by a 80-something year-old woman, and he died from injuries he sustained and left behind 3-children and a wife who was a cancer survivor, but only a few months later, his widowed wife sucummed to cancer. Talk about hearbreaking!!

.

I just wanted to add what you were saying to Sonshine. MANY of us have suffered great losses. As you know, I lost my Mom and my husband lost his own Father when he was only 19-years old. I have endured a lot of loss in my life, so I know what I feels like to grieve for a loved one.

.

Peace & Love!

Which is exactly my point. Many of us know about drug addiction and loss. Many of us know about terminal illness and loss. To say that no one can possibly begin to know how P's family or the inner circle feels is just wrong. Many of us have a very good idea.

Of course people have ideas of what he was going thru rather it was pill problems or illness.

zenarose said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Zena: I'm so sorry for your loss and going through something so horrific like that. I also lost a former boss, and he was the best boss I ever had; the most kind and giving person, and he was hit by a 80-something year-old woman, and he died from injuries he sustained and left behind 3-children and a wife who was a cancer survivor, but only a few months later, his widowed wife sucummed to cancer. Talk about hearbreaking!!

.

I just wanted to add what you were saying to Sonshine. MANY of us have suffered great losses. As you know, I lost my Mom and my husband lost his own Father when he was only 19-years old. I have endured a lot of loss in my life, so I know what I feels like to grieve for a loved one.

.

Peace & Love!

Which is exactly my point. Many of us know about drug addiction and loss. Many of us know about terminal illness and loss. To say that no one can possibly begin to know how P's family or the inner circle feels is just wrong. Many of us have a very good idea.

.

Agreed

laurarichardson said:

zenarose said:

Which is exactly my point. Many of us know about drug addiction and loss. Many of us know about terminal illness and loss. To say that no one can possibly begin to know how P's family or the inner circle feels is just wrong. Many of us have a very good idea.

Of course people have ideas of what he was going thru rather it was pill problems or illness.

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Sadly, I don't think some people on here really know at all and perhaps never experienced the pain of loss or experienced the pain of seeing a loved one succumb to addiction.

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I have seen both.

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Many people don't want to discuss the death of Prince because it's too senstive, and that's okay -- but one day, we all will have to live through it and deal with it, unfortunately.

.

Personally speaking, what I've been through in my own personal life, I would not wish on anyone.

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What Prince went through in his life, I would not wish on anyone. To think of him being in constant pain, and there is no relief, and he succumbs to illegal pain pills......it's all too sad.

.

Sorry, just speaking from my own personal standpoint.

Dibblekins said:

zenarose said:

I wouldn't have a problem with it IF he in fact had an addiction. But the reason I don't believe it is because of Prince himself disclaiming drug use for all these years. Totally against it. There has not been one associate to say that P had a drug problem, in fact it is the complete opposite. Not Even TN has said such a thing. No news reports or any other source stating that P had anything to do with drug use in all these years. April is when all the drug crap started, when P could no longer defend himself. (And the Enquirer printed their crap) There are folks that believe all the news sources. The stories change too much, the stories don't test well for truth, and even though false statements are made there are no retractions. So I guess all get a free pass for not telling the truth. There are huge holes in this case. The only thing I think I know is that Prince has passed. There is an Official Media Release from the ME. I just don't understand the "self administered accidental" how did the ME come to that conclusion? And Fentanyl? None in his system 24 hours prior, and not a long time user?

[Edited 10/30/16 9:34am]

Don't forget though, Zena - we do have a recorded conversation with Tavis Smiley (just by way of an example) who suggested that Prince had been taking medication for pain for quite some time - nothing 'heavy' or 'unusual' (or illegal) but there was a history there, albeit a legitimate one.

.

I know we're coming full circle again - but all I can assume (if we go with the long-term pain med. narrative) is that for some reason, P was no longer able to access the ones he had routinely used:
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1) Perhaps he himself had noticed that he was having to use more of them / they weren't working as well as they used to work - and so he and his doctor decided he needed to try to withdraw from them (which might have been why he was seeing Dr S, and had an appointment with a holistic doctor). He found withdrawal harder than he anticipated and, no longer having access to prescription meds, he had to go the illicit route;
.
or
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2) His doctor took him off pain meds because he (Prince) had developed serious health issues (ie liver damage) as a consequence of taking them for so long...For me, this one makes sense in light of P's change of behaviour in latter years. However, it still takes us back to his resorting to illict drugs when he found he couldn't manage...
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And then we're left wondering - was it a 'true' accident, was it a deliberate 'trust to fate' scenario, or was it suicide (albeit one the ME and others did not recognise / anticipate - remember, P was incredibly private; a note may well not have been his style, along with divulging any feelings of depression).

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I know that others on here think the fentanyl pill may have been planted - right now, I just don't even want to go there - it's too horrible a thought!
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I think the only reason people are saying it was planted was because of the unnamed source saying that the pills were laying around in the black bag and that other bottles were found in his private dressing area. Everybody who know Prince said he was super neat so why would he have pilll laying around in a bag. Why did Romero the body guard say he packed P's bag everyday except for that last week and never saw drugs. Why are so many people who interacted with him on a daily basis saying they never saw him high? More importantly if he was seeing Dr. S for withdrawals and felt well enought to travel to Australia he must have beaten his addication to the pills and what he thought he was taking was quite mild. He does not fit the narravative of someone who was feening for drugs so bad that he purposely took Fentanyl. So we understand why the ME said accidental but now the police are saying they are looking for potential witnesses.

Witnesses to what if this was accidental? Nothing make sense.

zenarose said:

DIBS: I hear what you're saying. My mind is constantly analyizing. It is all confusing and you can't

get a straight story, everything is contradiction. I'm stuck because Prince said "don't believe the

media" and "wait a few days before you waste any prayers"

I read somewhere that the "wait a few days..." comment was directed at Duran Duran who dedicated Save a Prayer to Prince after hearing about the plane incident.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmApB4YbusQ

MMJas said:

zenarose said:

DIBS: I hear what you're saying. My mind is constantly analyizing. It is all confusing and you can't

get a straight story, everything is contradiction. I'm stuck because Prince said "don't believe the

media" and "wait a few days before you waste any prayers"

I read somewhere that the "wait a few days..." comment was directed at Duran Duran who dedicated Save a Prayer to Prince after hearing about the plane incident.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmApB4YbusQ

Yes - I recall reading that too! Could be..!

zenarose said:

SONSHINE: I am going to share this only because some think that no one could possibly have any idea what those around Prince might have been going through. This is painful but I will share.

I had a boss that was like my son. I loved him dearly. He was addicted to prescription drugs. In his

eyes, he was safe and not addicted because a Dr. prescribed them for him. The Dr. prescribed 180

of these pills at a time. Plus anything else you might want, all you had to do was tell him and he

would write it. There also was 2 surgeons in my bosses's family and that didn't help matters. For 5

years I battled his drug problem. Cleaning him up when he puked everywhere, hiding car

keys, throwing away prescriptions when I found them. (He had them hid everywhere) He would

would pass out and I would take him home and keep watch over him until he would finaly wake up.

I never left him alone. If he didn't show up for work I was scared to death going over to find him

and see if he was ok... alive. His mother came to me and asked me to help her plan an intervention.

We failed at trying to get him to go and get help. A few months later he had a car accident and he

had a choice of jail or 90 day rehab. He went to rehab of course. It did no good. He was back at it

within days of getting out. There were many times that he was so messed up and I refused to leave

him and he was furious. I simply handed him the phone and told him to call the police and have me

removed, then I could tell them that he was a danger to himself and others. Needless to say, I won

those battles. The end for me came when I threw away every last stash he had. He was livid and

fired me. 3 weeks later, he took his pills, drank a good bit of wine, and got into a hot tub. 12 years

ago on Christmas Eve, my boss died of a drug overdose. He was 33 years old. A good looking,

loving, funny, smart, man. I can only imagine how the people that truly love Prince feel. I know how

I feel and it's been 12 long years. You never know the trials and pain that a person on the other

side of screen has had in their lives. Plese be kind because you never know.

Sorry for your loss, Zena.

zenarose said:

Thank yall for your kind thoughts. I appreciate them more than you know.

Now you know why I have a hard time seeing the "drug addiction" in P's case. No where over the

years has anything even close been told by anyone. There are functional alcoholics and funtional

addicts. Sooner or later there will be binges that can last for days and that is when they are out of

control and very hard to deal with. We have heard nothing like this. P worked every day, toured, and

no one knew or saw anything of the sort. I can believe that P was sick with the flu as he tweeted

about it himself. Past that I'm not sure. I can consider it but it doesn't fit. The whole intervention part

is just like the ER plane landing, they don't make sense. Addiction would have shown itself long before now. There are all the statements of associates saying that P did not use drugs. Then as DIBS said, Tavis Smiley said that he knew that P took pain meds. We don't what he was taking or how long he had been taking meds.

A thought came to me and this is something that I know nothing about, he had just gotten his

passport renewed. Do you have to get immunizations and if so what kind? Can the shots make you ill? He was planning to go out of the country in November.

********************************

"Can u tell me where we're going 2?
Can u tell me what it is we really want 2 find?
Is the truth really there? Or is it right under our hair?
4 all we know it's been there all the time."

"I say, nothing comes from dreamers but dreams
I say, sitting idle in our boat while everyone else is down the stream
Nothing comes from talkers but sound
We can talk all we want 2, but the world still goes around and round.
Round and round. We go round and round and round.
And what we're looking 4 still isn't found

GGGGRRRRR!!!! this formatting is killn' me

[Edited 10/30/16 17:51pm]

[Edited 10/30/16 18:07pm]

zenarose said:

SONSHINE: I am going to share this only because some think that no one could possibly have any idea what those around Prince might have been going through. This is painful but I will share.

I had a boss that was like my son. I loved him dearly. He was addicted to prescription drugs. In his

eyes, he was safe and not addicted because a Dr. prescribed them for him. The Dr. prescribed 180

of these pills at a time. Plus anything else you might want, all you had to do was tell him and he

would write it. There also was 2 surgeons in my bosses's family and that didn't help matters. For 5

years I battled his drug problem. Cleaning him up when he puked everywhere, hiding car

keys, throwing away prescriptions when I found them. (He had them hid everywhere) He would

would pass out and I would take him home and keep watch over him until he would finaly wake up.

I never left him alone. If he didn't show up for work I was scared to death going over to find him

and see if he was ok... alive. His mother came to me and asked me to help her plan an intervention.

We failed at trying to get him to go and get help. A few months later he had a car accident and he

had a choice of jail or 90 day rehab. He went to rehab of course. It did no good. He was back at it

within days of getting out. There were many times that he was so messed up and I refused to leave

him and he was furious. I simply handed him the phone and told him to call the police and have me

removed, then I could tell them that he was a danger to himself and others. Needless to say, I won

those battles. The end for me came when I threw away every last stash he had. He was livid and

fired me. 3 weeks later, he took his pills, drank a good bit of wine, and got into a hot tub. 12 years

ago on Christmas Eve, my boss died of a drug overdose. He was 33 years old. A good looking,

loving, funny, smart, man. I can only imagine how the people that truly love Prince feel. I know how

I feel and it's been 12 long years. You never know the trials and pain that a person on the other

side of screen has had in their lives. Plese be kind because you never know.

A sincere thank you for your willingness to share this very painful experience. I understand all to well your experiences and am so sorry for your loss. I echo your words.

sonshine said:

CooperC62057 said:

THIS. Exactly, Sonshine, exactly. Btw, how did the content of the "curiosities" thread and the "death" thread get so reversed? Did the Queen order this as a means of muddying the waters?

Yeah, I give up. Poor prince. I'm sure he would rather his fans were discussing his music and his accomplishments and not the sensitive issues surrounding his death. Like I said when somee of the folks here find themselves in the shoes of people closest to Prince then maybe they will understand how nothing and everything is normal in these situations. They have no right to judge the actions of any of the people involved without being there and without first hand knowledge of the situation. Speculate all you want or move on. It's your choice. I'm trying to move forwsrd. Good luck to all of you.

Yes to both of you in all comments, but particularly the statement I placed in bold. The accusations have gotten out of hand. It's very sad that those closest to him, who have lost the most, now have fans slandering their names and reputations.

MMJas said:

Geez another thread locked and started somewhere else. May i ask why? Do they get locked for being too long? I really don't get it...

Hi everyone.

Wow I went to look at any replies since the thread is so slow moving and it only goes back to 10/24

THIS IS TERRIBLE FOR CONTINUITY! WE will never know where we left off...

Nooriginalusername said:

sonshine said:

CooperC62057 said: Yeah, I give up. Poor prince. I'm sure he would rather his fans were discussing his music and his accomplishments and not the sensitive issues surrounding his death. Like I said when somee of the folks here find themselves in the shoes of people closest to Prince then maybe they will understand how nothing and everything is normal in these situations. They have no right to judge the actions of any of the people involved without being there and without first hand knowledge of the situation. Speculate all you want or move on. It's your choice. I'm trying to move forwsrd. Good luck to all of you.

Yes to both of you in all comments, but particularly the statement I placed in bold. The accusations have gotten out of hand. It's very sad that those closest to him, who have lost the most, now have fans slandering their names and reputations.

NOORIGINALUSERNAME: Thank you for your kind words. I think that our deep discussions on this thread are being misunderstood. We discuss each person involved and different scenarios. Researching and providing links and comparing reports and articles. We are just discussing things as we see them. As far as saying flat out that we are absolutely sure of this or that, I can't recall that being the case. The folks on this thread are able to discuss things without being rude and over bearing. We feel comfortable with being honest and sharing our thoughts. We can discuss anything from the occult to murder, to whatever, and that's ok. That's what this thread is about. We are all driven to find the truth. Surely you have to admit that this case is very strange. We are only human. There is no right or wrong here as we know nothing for sure. We cannot just close our eyes and forget that Prince is gone and go on our merry way not caring about what happened and not be bothered by it. There are those that expect that from everyone and it is IMPOSSIBLE. Sometimes discussions are a good way to work through a loss.

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MMJas said:

cloveringold85 said:

JFYI:

http://people.com/celebrity/princes-would-be-addiction-doctor-defends-methods-and-planned-use-of-drugs/

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https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=andrew%20kornfeld

See May 6 post Very Interesting.

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https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=recovery%20without%20walls

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