zenarose said:

zenarose said:

Thank yall for your kind thoughts. I appreciate them more than you know.

Now you know why I have a hard time seeing the "drug addiction" in P's case. No where over the

years has anything even close been told by anyone. There are functional alcoholics and funtional

addicts. Sooner or later there will be binges that can last for days and that is when they are out of

control and very hard to deal with. We have heard nothing like this. P worked every day, toured, and

no one knew or saw anything of the sort. I can believe that P was sick with the flu as he tweeted

about it himself. Past that I'm not sure. I can consider it but it doesn't fit. The whole intervention part

is just like the ER plane landing, they don't make sense. Addiction would have shown itself long before now. There are all the statements of associates saying that P did not use drugs. Then as DIBS said, Tavis Smiley said that he knew that P took pain meds. We don't what he was taking or how long he had been taking meds.

A thought came to me and this is something that I know nothing about, he had just gotten his

passport renewed. Do you have to get immunizations and if so what kind? Can the shots make you ill? He was planning to go out of the country in November.

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"Can u tell me where we're going 2?
Can u tell me what it is we really want 2 find?
Is the truth really there? Or is it right under our hair?
4 all we know it's been there all the time."

"I say, nothing comes from dreamers but dreams
I say, sitting idle in our boat while everyone else is down the stream
Nothing comes from talkers but sound
We can talk all we want 2, but the world still goes around and round.
Round and round. We go round and round and round.
And what we're looking 4 still isn't found

GGGGRRRRR!!!! this formatting is killn' me

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[Edited 10/30/16 18:07pm]

That'swhat bugs me the most. Surely one person would have talked by now. One person that wasn't particularly fond of Prince and thus felt no duty to protect him. There is not one single account of him being other thatn in complete control of himself. Not one slip up.
The first we heard were the shows being canceled because he had the flu. Some promoter said he complained about stomach pain. His chef said he was ill for a few weeks before his death, not able to eat much.Stomach again. His change in appearance, looking frailer and thiner right after the end of 2014, that now coincides with many things: winning his masters back, announcing a memoirs book, a more intimate and less physical strainful P&P tour, the arrangements for turning PP into a museum and telling fams at live shows to go visit him in PP and to look after his place, Tyka's comments about what Prince told her, etc.
There' just too many things indicating a notion of a limitation from him. Like I've said before, not necessarily a terminal disease but it's still an option. A retirement of sorts. The acceptance of needing help for his painkillers dependency that came a little too late. That fucking one pill that changed everything overnight.

I just saw this interview posted on another thread. Thought it might be of interest. Particularly this part:

"She just saw him in February at the “Life Celebration Ceremony” after the death of Prince’s former girlfriend Denise Matthews, known as Vanity. Vargas Sieloff said Prince was mobbed by selfie-seeking fans. He sat in the church balcony and left before the service ended.

“He looked very frail,” she said. “He had been sick. He should have been in bed. I think he worked himself to death.”

So, he was already showing signs of frailty and being sick in February, according to this.

http://www.ocregister.com...argas.html

Also, how cool is this?

"He had another request: gloves.

She explained that gloves took expertise that she didn’t have.

But her problem was solved when her mother, who hadn’t been excited about her daughter skipping college to work with rock stars, found three pairs of lacy, small gloves (beige, black and gray).

The gloves fit.

Prince wore the gray gloves for the photo shoot, and that picture was sold on albums around the world."

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As time passes, and we have more time to think this tragedy through, more questions arise. Personally, I tend toward thinking he had some type of medical condition in addition to the prescription drug dependency. His appearance changed so dramatically in the last six months of his life ... I go back to what the chef's wife said: "they lied to us." She and her husband noticed changes in his behavior and appearance. Others around him had to have noticed and/or known something was going on. For all of the people who say he was fine, he was planning concerts in the future: the P + A M future dates were postponed, Glastonbury was never firmed up, the stadium opening show was never firmed up. He told Jon Bream he was having difficulty playing the guitar, and that was attributed to concentrating on the piano. Since when could Prince NOT play piano and guitar in the same show? I don't think he had the strength to play anything that last Saturday evening at Paisley Park - you don't think he wouldn't have loved to give that newly-gifted purple guitar a go, for at least a song or two? IMO he was failing, he knew it, and he was trying to deal with it in his own way. How he got the Fentanyl: I don't know. Was it a mistake, or did he ask someone to get Fentanyl specifically for him?

MMJas said:

I just saw this interview posted on another thread. Thought it might be of interest. Particularly this part:

"She just saw him in February at the “Life Celebration Ceremony” after the death of Prince’s former girlfriend Denise Matthews, known as Vanity. Vargas Sieloff said Prince was mobbed by selfie-seeking fans. He sat in the church balcony and left before the service ended.

“He looked very frail,” she said. “He had been sick. He should have been in bed. I think he worked himself to death.”

So, he was already showing signs of frailty and being sick in February, according to this.

The thing with all these reports... is that they all come from after he died.

The lost Rolling Stone interview from 2014 says:

Rolling Stone Said:

That night, Prince doesn't look his age – doesn't look any particular age, really. He's very thin, but not fragile

I also don't recall any threads on the org about how Prince looked ill. It was never mentioned prior to his death.

Can anyone find a report from the Grammys 2015 published before he died, saying Prince looked frail & unwell?

Noodled24 said:

MMJas said:

I just saw this interview posted on another thread. Thought it might be of interest. Particularly this part:

"She just saw him in February at the “Life Celebration Ceremony” after the death of Prince’s former girlfriend Denise Matthews, known as Vanity. Vargas Sieloff said Prince was mobbed by selfie-seeking fans. He sat in the church balcony and left before the service ended.

“He looked very frail,” she said. “He had been sick. He should have been in bed. I think he worked himself to death.”

So, he was already showing signs of frailty and being sick in February, according to this.

The thing with all these reports... is that they all come from after he died.

The lost Rolling Stone interview from 2014 says:

Rolling Stone Said:

That night, Prince doesn't look his age – doesn't look any particular age, really. He's very thin, but not fragile

I also don't recall any threads on the org about how Prince looked ill. It was never mentioned prior to his death.

Can anyone find a report from the Grammys 2015 published before he died, saying Prince looked frail & unwell?

I understand what you're getting at. But really, no one is gonna publically say someone looks ill, right?
I have a friend who had been looking ill lately. Nobody mentions it. She posts pics on FB and I'm pretty sure she is wearing a wig and has had her eyebrows either painted or tattoed. I did not have the courage to ask her, so I asked a friend we have in common if she noticed anything different about her. She simply replied she had changed her hairstyle, but that was about that: It was really bugging me so i decided to ask her personally. She told me she suffers from a disease that made all her hair fall off and had to tatto her eyebrows and wears a short wig.
My point is: not everybody notices and those who do do not comment on these things, at least not publically.

1Sasha said:

As time passes, and we have more time to think this tragedy through, more questions arise. Personally, I tend toward thinking he had some type of medical condition in addition to the prescription drug dependency. His appearance changed so dramatically in the last six months of his life ... I go back to what the chef's wife said: "they lied to us." She and her husband noticed changes in his behavior and appearance. Others around him had to have noticed and/or known something was going on. For all of the people who say he was fine, he was planning concerts in the future: the P + A M future dates were postponed, Glastonbury was never firmed up, the stadium opening show was never firmed up. He told Jon Bream he was having difficulty playing the guitar, and that was attributed to concentrating on the piano. Since when could Prince NOT play piano and guitar in the same show? I don't think he had the strength to play anything that last Saturday evening at Paisley Park - you don't think he wouldn't have loved to give that newly-gifted purple guitar a go, for at least a song or two? IMO he was failing, he knew it, and he was trying to deal with it in his own way. How he got the Fentanyl: I don't know. Was it a mistake, or did he ask someone to get Fentanyl specifically for him?

Do you have the link for that comment made by the chef's wife, please? The "They lied to us" comment. Thanks.

Noodled24 said:

MMJas said:

I just saw this interview posted on another thread. Thought it might be of interest. Particularly this part:

"She just saw him in February at the “Life Celebration Ceremony” after the death of Prince’s former girlfriend Denise Matthews, known as Vanity. Vargas Sieloff said Prince was mobbed by selfie-seeking fans. He sat in the church balcony and left before the service ended.

“He looked very frail,” she said. “He had been sick. He should have been in bed. I think he worked himself to death.”

So, he was already showing signs of frailty and being sick in February, according to this.

The thing with all these reports... is that they all come from after he died.

The lost Rolling Stone interview from 2014 says:

Rolling Stone Said:

That night, Prince doesn't look his age – doesn't look any particular age, really. He's very thin, but not fragile

I also don't recall any threads on the org about how Prince looked ill. It was never mentioned prior to his death.

Can anyone find a report from the Grammys 2015 published before he died, saying Prince looked frail & unwell?

http://fansided.com/2015/02/08/grammys-2015-prince-walks-onto-stage-like-boss-video/

^ Is that the link you ment to post? If so can you copy/paste the bit that says he looked ill because I can't see it.

Noodled24 said:

^ Is that the link you ment to post? If so can you copy/paste the bit that says he looked ill because I can't see it.

This article states that P looks fine. As far as I know from research, there is nothing said about P

looking bad at the 2015 Grammys.

Ok, last night I couldn't stop thinking about all this and I was thinking about the supposed hip surgery in 2010 or so. As a nurse, I've seen many times over the years that someone perfectly healthy goes for a simple procudre and once the doctors get in there they find cancer that no one even knew about.

What if that's what happened to P? What if that's why he sometimes looked bloated in the early 20teens cuz he was taking chemo drugs?

That would explain the pain meds...and something else that happened around that time period: P let his hair go natural. Could've been due to hair thinning or loss due to chemo.

Also, stomach issues...chemo.

If chemo had been unsuccessful by 2014, it's possible P told Tyka that and plans began in earnest for PP and preserving his legacy after his passing.

As he got sicker and frailer, the P&M shows allowed P to continue performing without too much strenuous physicality. And let's not forget "goodbye" type speech in concert. And reconnecting with old comrades. And the sudden influx of his comfy yogawear, And finally starting his memoirs.

Thoughts?

If memory serves me correctly, the statements concerning P's looking ill were in hindsight and

seemed to have been most noticed when Vanity passed away.

^ Understood - I thought you were replying to me asking if there were any reports about him looking unwell prior to his passing.

It just strikes me as odd to see so many comments (now) about how frail he looked. Because nobody mentioned it prior. Infact quite the opposite, there is nothing but reviews and interviews commenting on how full of energy he was.

LBrent said:

Ok, last night I couldn't stop thinking about all this and I was thinking about the supposed hip surgery in 2010 or so. As a nurse, I've seen many times over the years that someone perfectly healthy goes for a simple procudre and once the doctors get in there they find cancer that no one even knew about.

What if that's what happened to P? What if that's why he sometimes looked bloated in the early 20teens cuz he was taking chemo drugs?

That would explain the pain meds...and something else that happened around that time period: P let his hair go natural. Could've been due to hair thinning or loss due to chemo.

Also, stomach issues...chemo.

If chemo had been unsuccessful by 2014, it's possible P told Tyka that and plans began in earnest for PP and preserving his legacy after his passing.

As he got sicker and frailer, the P&M shows allowed P to continue performing without too much strenuous physicality. And let's not forget "goodbye" type speech in concert. And reconnecting with old comrades. And the sudden influx of his comfy yogawear, And finally starting his memoirs.

Thoughts?

I have had thoughts about illnesses also. You know his Mother had a kidney transplant a few years

before she passed and I researched to see if kidney disease is hereditary. I have researched renal

failure, liver failure, just to name a couple. I have researched end stage symtoms of these diseases

also. Some might fit others maybe not. I did a search of the org and found a thread RE: Prince

being ill and in the hospital. But as far as I could tell nothing was proven as fact. If he had kidney

failure, I could attribute his loose clothing to a nephrostomy. I agree with you that the hair loss and

stomach issues could be chemo. There is just so much that we don't know. But here's the kicker to

all this......Tyka says that she has known for 2 years that Prince had "done all he needed to do". The

Police are investigating Prince's death as a "Homicide". It's confusing. I have gone so far in my

research as to look into Mn laws pertaining to assisted suicide, but that doesn't gel with homicide.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=609.215

Unless the investigators have told the family not to release the autopsy results to the public, one can only assume the family does not want to reveal what is in the report. Really, there would be nothing in there that could affect his legacy. Nothing. I get the impression, though, from his peers, that they are all sympathetic to him, which makes me think they know something we don't. There has been no stand-offish behavior - he has been embraced with great respect.

MMJas said:

1Sasha said:

As time passes, and we have more time to think this tragedy through, more questions arise. Personally, I tend toward thinking he had some type of medical condition in addition to the prescription drug dependency. His appearance changed so dramatically in the last six months of his life ... I go back to what the chef's wife said: "they lied to us." She and her husband noticed changes in his behavior and appearance. Others around him had to have noticed and/or known something was going on. For all of the people who say he was fine, he was planning concerts in the future: the P + A M future dates were postponed, Glastonbury was never firmed up, the stadium opening show was never firmed up. He told Jon Bream he was having difficulty playing the guitar, and that was attributed to concentrating on the piano. Since when could Prince NOT play piano and guitar in the same show? I don't think he had the strength to play anything that last Saturday evening at Paisley Park - you don't think he wouldn't have loved to give that newly-gifted purple guitar a go, for at least a song or two? IMO he was failing, he knew it, and he was trying to deal with it in his own way. How he got the Fentanyl: I don't know. Was it a mistake, or did he ask someone to get Fentanyl specifically for him?

Do you have the link for that comment made by the chef's wife, please? The "They lied to us" comment. Thanks.

It was posted here on the org.

Noodled24 said:

^ Understood - I thought you were replying to me asking if there were any reports about him looking unwell prior to his passing.

It just strikes me as odd to see so many comments (now) about how frail he looked. Because nobody mentioned it prior. Infact quite the opposite, there is nothing but reviews and interviews commenting on how full of energy he was.

There were gradual changes from 2014. I think the changes were mostly attributed to aging, although his attire changed also. There have always been comments about weight loss through the years. It seems the weight loss was noticed mid 2015 to 2016. Of course hair style change made a huge difference also. Below is a link that contains a photo spread of P and KJ at the airport in St. Barts 12/30/2015. He performed at a private New Years Eve party. You can see that he is very thin.

http://www.justjared.com/2016/01/01/prince-performs-at-star-studded-new-years-bash/

[Edited 10/31/16 9:02am]

zenarose said:

zenarose said:

zenarose said:

Noodled24 said:

^ Understood - I thought you were replying to me asking if there were any reports about him looking unwell prior to his passing.

It just strikes me as odd to see so many comments (now) about how frail he looked. Because nobody mentioned it prior. Infact quite the opposite, there is nothing but reviews and interviews commenting on how full of energy he was.

There were gradual changes from 2014. I think the changes were mostly attributed to aging, although his attire changed also. There have always been comments about weight loss through the years. It seems the weight loss was noticed mid 2015 to 2016. Of course hair style change made a huge difference also. Below is a link that contains a photo spread of P and KJ at the airport in St. Barts 12/30/2015. He performed at a private New Years Eve party. You can see that he is very thin.

http://www.justjared.com/2016/01/01/prince-performs-at-star-studded-new-years-bash/

The only thing that strikes me as being unusual, is Prince carrying his own bag.

Either way, I don't see anything definitive. He's always been that skinny MF with the high voice.

I agree about the Afro on him. What surprised me is that it started out being perfectly shaped, and at the end of his life it was not shaped at all - it was its own shape. With the loose clothing and minimal make-up and the hairstyle, he was definitely not the perfectly turned-out Prince we all knew. JMO

MMJas said:

1Sasha said:

As time passes, and we have more time to think this tragedy through, more questions arise. Personally, I tend toward thinking he had some type of medical condition in addition to the prescription drug dependency. His appearance changed so dramatically in the last six months of his life ... I go back to what the chef's wife said: "they lied to us." She and her husband noticed changes in his behavior and appearance. Others around him had to have noticed and/or known something was going on. For all of the people who say he was fine, he was planning concerts in the future: the P + A M future dates were postponed, Glastonbury was never firmed up, the stadium opening show was never firmed up. He told Jon Bream he was having difficulty playing the guitar, and that was attributed to concentrating on the piano. Since when could Prince NOT play piano and guitar in the same show? I don't think he had the strength to play anything that last Saturday evening at Paisley Park - you don't think he wouldn't have loved to give that newly-gifted purple guitar a go, for at least a song or two? IMO he was failing, he knew it, and he was trying to deal with it in his own way. How he got the Fentanyl: I don't know. Was it a mistake, or did he ask someone to get Fentanyl specifically for him?

Do you have the link for that comment made by the chef's wife, please? The "They lied to us" comment. Thanks.

I'm trying to help out and locate if possible the link that you are requesting. I did find this link but it

doesn't quote the above. What it does say is that Ray Roberts states that P was fighting illness, not

on drugs. Conflicting reports were coming from other PP employees.

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/05/prince-death-drugs-percocet-health-chef-interview

cloveringold85 said:

http://www.pressherald.com/2016/05/04/report-prince-tried-to-meet-with-doctor-before-death/

From San Francisco to Minneapolis it's about a 3 hour flight give or take a few.

zenarose said:

1Sasha said:

zenarose said:

zenarose said:

MMJas said:

Do you have the link for that comment made by the chef's wife, please? The "They lied to us" comment. Thanks.

I'm trying to help out and locate if possible the link that you are requesting. I did find this link but it

doesn't quote the above. What it does say is that Ray Roberts states that P was fighting illness, not

on drugs. Conflicting reports were coming from other PP employees.

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/05/prince-death-drugs-percocet-health-chef-interview

Thanks, Zena. I remember this article, but don't remember that specific comment, "They lied to us". Where is that coming from?

zenarose said: