kewlschool said:

The Urn being on public display has to be a business/family choice and not a Prince one. And I may not be for a public display, but that doesn't matter in the bigger scheme of things. Family gets to choose not fans, fams, or me. Get off your high horse and put your feelings aside of what you'd think Prince would want, because you don't really know. Only Prince knows.

Prince has always said it was about the music and that is what really matters. Please find solace in that, in the end nothing else truly matters.

What ever they do at the Paisley Park building doesn't change his music.

Well, it certainly doesn't embellish it for newcomers.
Prince's music is a universal legacy, now that death has soften the ones who were rebuffed by his visual taste for schmaltz, we'll lose them again. We lose a chance for people to discover music that lasts. At least the Beatles and Dylan are surrounded by people who understand that the music comes first. Anthology and the Bootleg series are as important as anything official from these artists. Maybe more, because they show the process, the pain to get there, the unreleased epiphanies gone cult.

It would be a better homage to, as you said, put the music in the spotlight.

If anyone told me PP was to be turned into a museum, I think about the incredible "Life Can Be So Nice" video with Clare Fischer in front of students.

Tours in PP could be thematic, or by year (1986, 1993, etc.), and every room would be rearranged for the exposition. That's what a museum is. It's the temporary exhibitions that makes it breathe and live, even economically.

We would stand in studio A, while a sound engineer mutes the tracks on and off, and explains how a particular guitar effect was achieved. We could hear background vocals only.
I mean there's a lot of clever artistic topics to be covered, even visually (wardrobes, guitars design, lightnings — nothing has topped SOTT since 1987 in that regard) and that would bring not only musicians, but people interested in arts, students, in short cultivated people.

[Snip - luv4u], we get miniature toilet tiles, posters with photos we've seen a thousand times, a bike, an empty, desertic, sad Studio A, drums that don't play, ugly colors (well it was already something).
It's a boring Luna-Park for boring minnesotans (do you really think the american intellectuals fo the East and the West coasts are going to fly mid-west to see inert rococo objects?), who can't grow out of their Playstation (soon in its 5th reboot, like an endless loop) and their 1984 teen summer nostalgia.

That is not a museum.

That's a fucking mausoleum.

I got flamed for suggesting that it's no time for dicks yet, because of respect and love, and I stand by my opinion. Prince is not an object, he was alive, and fiercely so.

He would poop on this.

luvsexy4all said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

******WARNING****** If you do not want to see it, DO NOT click the link.

http://people.com/music/p...st-photos/

This is just going from bad to worse for me. I think I'm going to have to retire from the fan community because I just can't with this disrespectful bullshit!

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Well, Well, Well.....

morningsong said:

Nope, Prince has never done anything unusual or out the box . Prince has been a model of convention and conformity in all things he's done. Prince has never done anything shocking. He's never, ever been accused of being tacky. And when he performed for his fans if it wasn't for free, no seat was ever more than $5 because he was never about making money when you came to see him. Yep this urn is completely destroying his legacy.

Thank you for taking Uncle Lionel down. After Foreverence a la People advertisement, that was really disturbing.

I'm sorry to be so harsh, it's still difficult not to take things epidermically.

I don't know these people, I'm sure they don't mean wrong,
but they sure ain't smart or elegant either, from what we've seen so far.

If they really are true to who Prince was, and furthermore to his work,
they have a hard time showing it.

Having Graceland Corp. taking over the studio in less than 6 months,
well, it shocks me.
It was his home. Not some Record Plant.

And maybe it's a beautiful urn.

But, as Mary Sharon would put it: "I doubt it."

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luv4u said:

bonatoc said:

I'm sorry to be so harsh, it's still difficult not to take things epidermically.

I don't know these people, I'm sure they don't mean wrong,
but they sure ain't smart or elegant either, from what we've seen so far.

If they really are true to who Prince was, and furthermore to his work,
they have a hard time showing it.

Having Graceland Corp. taking over the studio in less than 6 months,
well, it shocks me.
It was his home. Not some Record Plant.

And maybe it's a beautiful urn.

But, as Mary Sharon would put it: "I doubt it."

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I don't know. The irony to me is that Graceland, LLC began because of someone's actual home. PP is a production studio. Honestly I haven't a clue on how to keep that ship running when it's Captain is gone. If Prince thought about this 10 years ago, I'm sure he thought long and hard about. And yes, I believe people when they say that, I have no reason to be suspicious of them like that, most of them knew him when he was funny looking and annoying.

cloveringold85 said:

bonatoc said:

I'm sorry to be so harsh, it's still difficult not to take things epidermically.

I don't know these people, I'm sure they don't mean wrong,
but they sure ain't smart or elegant either, from what we've seen so far.

If they really are true to who Prince was, and furthermore to his work,
they have a hard time showing it.

Having Graceland Corp. taking over the studio in less than 6 months,
well, it shocks me.
It was his home. Not some Record Plant.

And maybe it's a beautiful urn.

But, as Mary Sharon would put it: "I doubt it."

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Who are you to judge his family?

You know his family are trying to do their very best for the fans. All ya'll can do is bitch about his family and in all reality you probably know none of them personally.

Ya'll are being rude to the family and about the urn. I think it's a beautiful, well thought out piece and he is where he wanted to be and where he should be.

That family can not do one thing right in any of your eyes. If this is suppose to be a 'fan forum' I'm sure not seeing many fans speak up, other than to bitch.

IsufferfromMPS said:

I wish ppl here would stop acting like they KNOW Prince. This is exactly why he was so " private" which seems to be the word of the day. He didn't want ppl(fans)in is his business because he didn't owe nan one of us shit and ppl start to act like they're opinions about anything other than music should matter Nobody here actually knows a damn thing about him other than what he WANTED us to know. Call yourself a fan and that entitles you to something from him other than his music? Since some of u know him so well, he aint like shit. He has actually said that(im paraphrasing of course) so thats how i can say i know. Nothing at all is good enough.

I'd really like to see how some of u would handle an undertaking of this magnitude when you're still grieving the loss of your loved one while trying to please the ungrateful, entitled, knows your loved one better than u masses

Well, it's either undertaking in privacy, and keep what's private private, or go public.

This is a public display of a very, very intimate and private object. It's your brother's toom.

How would I handle it.
For starters, I won't put it on display for the whole world to see.
Especially if it looks like a Playmobil set.

When you go public, the public has its saying, that's all.

"while trying to please"... No one forced them.
I didn't see a massive protest from the fans to see what his urn looks like,
or a massive wish for it to be displayed it in public.


"Nobody here actually knows a damn thing about him other than what he WANTED us to know."
You're dead wrong. That's precisely what good investigative orgers do.
They look for facts to better understand an artist's career.
It's not personal per se.

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IsufferfromMPS said:

I wish ppl here would stop acting like they KNOW Prince. This is exactly why he was so " private" which seems to be the word of the day. He didn't want ppl(fans)in is his business because he didn't owe nan one of us shit and ppl start to act like they're opinions about anything other than music should matter Nobody here actually knows a damn thing about him other than what he WANTED us to know. Call yourself a fan and that entitles you to something from him other than his music? Since some of u know him so well, he aint like shit. He has actually said that(im paraphrasing of course) so thats how i can say i know. Nothing at all is good enough. I'd really like to see how some of u would handle an undertaking of this magnitude when you're still grieving the loss of your loved one while trying to please the ungrateful, entitled, knows your loved one better than u masses

Exactly. I'm so tired of the 'fans' bitching and thinking they know everything, when they know nothing at all.

According to the People Magazine article:

http://people.com/music/prince-urn-first-photos/

If you read between the front facing photo and the opened PP urn photo it says: "His ashes are sealed in the front column."

@PennyPurple

I've got a dark (pun... never mind) sense of humour, I plead guilty.

IsufferfromMPS said:

I really hope they dont take time out of their day to read this type of stuff. And please stop assuming everything is solely about greed. PP aint gonna pay for itself,its taxes, its operating costs or anything else.

Was a hastily improvised museum the only answer?
What about a school?

You always focus on my antitheses, and rarely point out what I'm going after.
I get all that. There are six of them, they did not do well in life,
they would like to keep a million or two, that's understandable.

But this is the world, and if you want to make a school, you make a school.
except it's not as lucrative in the short term.
You have to share with investors, go after sponsors, well, it's hard work.

There is also the option to dismantle it entirely. No one would have protested.

Now ain't it a bit stretched to call taxes and operating costs as an excuse
for showing everyone such a bidet?

To think this Genius ashes are going to lie in this thing,
exposed like the Mona Lisa. Don't forget to visit our boutique on your way out.

But it's okay.

I can only think of the 12" inch version of TITT:
"They don't know what my love's about".

Rest in Peace as much as you're willing and able, Skipper.

[Edited 10/11/16 18:51pm]

wow at this thread

PennyPurple said:

That family can not do one thing right in any of your eyes. If this is suppose to be a 'fan forum' I'm sure not seeing many fans speak up, other than to bitch.

That's not true. I don't expect anything from them.
Prince is gone, their pain is ours, on a human level they have all my love.

The only thing is, you're defending the public display of Prince's remain (the subject of the thread) and the creation of a so-called museum (operated by a commercial company) as the one and only answer to the economical issues they're facing.

First of all, in the hands of a label clever as Columbia, Prince would sell for a billion dollars over the next hundred years. They're still counting, still trying to put a number on it, that's the only explanation we don't have any news. What, there's just one guy going through the Vault? No one has any estimate of what Prince's catalog is worth? Are you nuts?

You don't need to count! You have an artist, considered a Genius, who left tons of singles, albums, videos, live concerts. Tyka's grand-grand-grand-children will still be covered by P's royalties. I'm glad industry experts have been called to the rescue.

But suddenly, THIS makes the news? I'm glad Tyka believes in crystals, so do I, but seriously, what the F word? Keep your brother close, sister.

And some of you bark "SKipper was private!"
That's EXACTLY what I'm saying.

A museum can be voyeuristic as going sniffing someone' underpants, or it can be a place where you learn, not some empty Studio A where you shoot your madeleines silent guitars in dead nostalgia syrup.
And then post them to Facebook.

I mean, sometimes soon a selfie near an elevator in PP is going to surface.
Now that would be even uglier.

Pardon me for living, but this is my world too.
To think this was proposed by an opportunist graphic studio and that the lawyers thought it would be news material is beyond me.


For the record: My best friend is black. I'm sorry about the unfunny joke, I realize U.S. citizens have not the same light-hearted spirit when it comes to using the N word or equivalencies to express a "Who loves well chatises as well" correctly. I apologize. I'm no Kendrick Lamar. I barely speak english.


Again, I wish only the best to his relatives. I'm just puzzled by it all, I really think the brotherhood has been frightened by the taxes number and went too hastily for the easiest path.

And, as a fan, it infuriates me because it doesn't take Stevie Wonder* to see that this was not Prince's path in life.

*Great, now they gonna go after your ass again for makin a joke about a blind man.

What can I say, I like saying things the latin way. No gift wrap.
We invented the revolution concept, over there.
Like Wendy, we're cranky 28 days a month**.
Because the world is a mess, and we've gotten lazy. Again.

*Mary Sweet Mother Jesus, not another misogynistic joke...

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SBartist said:

IsufferfromMPS said:

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and just like assholes...... Everybodies got one. When ppl realize their opinions really only matter to THEM the better off many many things would be. Im sure he would just get such a kick out of all the disrespect aimed toward his REAL family. Especially the blacknecks comment.

Yeah that how my family was treated as we were the blacknecks and I am sure P's family likely was treated the such. Too weird and 'out there' for black people (because we liked interests and care about things that frown on in the limited black community) and too black for white people and basically rejected and shunned by extended conservative family members because you and your family are just too weird. Prince made hints of this in his early interviews he had troubled fitting in both black and white communities and that is why he preferred to be around people who live and believed in diversity not the type of saying diversity just for PC sakes.

That is also a reason why I identify with Prince so much and I think those Nelsons mirrored my family as being a weird black family from the Midwest.

But like I said I am not going to judge a man or woman at where they want their final resting place. But man I hate to admitted having his ashes in a front column is so limited. At least Vanity wanted her ashes to be spread.

IsufferfromMPS said:

I wish ppl here would stop acting like they KNOW Prince. This is exactly why he was so " private" which seems to be the word of the day. He didn't want ppl(fans)in is his business because he didn't owe nan one of us shit and ppl start to act like they're opinions about anything other than music should matter Nobody here actually knows a damn thing about him other than what he WANTED us to know. Call yourself a fan and that entitles you to something from him other than his music? Since some of u know him so well, he aint like shit. He has actually said that(im paraphrasing of course) so thats how i can say i know. Nothing at all is good enough. I'd really like to see how some of u would handle an undertaking of this magnitude when you're still grieving the loss of your loved one while trying to please the ungrateful, entitled, knows your loved one better than u masses

I could not have said it better. Thank you!

and another thing that I don't get; people are so quick to say what Prince would and wouldn't, like or want; wasn't he on record about having his music on YouTube? We respect him soooooo much, and rag on his sister, but we're all over YouTube watching concert footage and listening to his music after he clearly expressed how he felt. Seems hypercritical to me.

bonatoc said:

IsufferfromMPS said:

I really hope they dont take time out of their day to read this type of stuff. And please stop assuming everything is solely about greed. PP aint gonna pay for itself,its taxes, its operating costs or anything else.

Was a hastily improvised museum the only answer?
What about a school?

You always focus on my antitheses, and rarely point out what I'm going after.
I get all that. There are six of them, they did not do well in life,
they would like to keep a million or two, that's understandable.

But this is the world, and if you want to make a school, you make a school.
except it's not as lucrative in the short term.
You have to share with investors, go after sponsors, well, it's hard work.

There is also the option to dismantle it entirely. No one would have protested.

Now ain't it a bit stretched to call taxes and operating costs as an excuse
for showing everyone such a bidet?

To think this Genius ashes are going to lie in this thing,
exposed like the Mona Lisa. Don't forget to visit our boutique on your way out.

But it's okay.

I can only think of the 12" inch version of TITT:
"They don't know what my love's about".

Rest in Peace as much as you're willing and able, Skipper.

[Edited 10/11/16 18:51pm]

It's as stretched as could be to me because the "Purple Rain" soundtrack ALONE has sold enough since April 21st to be nominated for a 2016 American Music Award. So it's not like there has just been no new money coming in to cover those expenses. Therefore, I truly do not understand what the rush, is actually about? It takes me longer than six months to plan what I want to do for Christmas and my Anniversary, every year and those are joyous occasions.

PennyPurple said:

Asenath0607 said:

and another thing that I don't get; people are so quick to say what Prince would and wouldn't, like or want; wasn't he on record about having his music on YouTube? We respect him soooooo much, and rag on his sister, but we're all over YouTube watching concert footage and listening to his music after he clearly expressed how he felt. Seems hypercritical to me.

Speaking for myself, I am no hypocrite. I personally did not agree with Prince's stance about having his music on Youtube and had the balls to publicly say so, numerous times on this site when he was alive, well and apparently, quite likely to have seen what I had to say. There was no shame in my game then and there damn sure isn't going to be any in it now. Because Prince is the one that TAUGHT me to NEVER BE AFRAID to say, what it is that's in me to say!