our knowledge of this situation is not dependent on the full autopsy, for these reasons:

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1. The autopsy summary -- which is the critical part of that document -- has already been released. We know what the ME determined to be the cause and manner of death; that determination is the goal of the autopsy. The full autopsy will not list a different manner and cause of death than her summary does.

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2. Other qualified people will dig into this, such as investigative journalists. They'll talk to a variety of people associated with Prince and conduct other kinds of research, and they'll be the ones who really help illuminate things. And there are ongoing investigations and estate issues that'll shed light. So we will not be waiting 30 years for info that'll provide the missing pieces to a puzzle that's already largely filled in.

1Sasha said:

Tony Visconti said David Bowie told him he had more he wanted to do, too. We just won't know for 30 years, or sooner if the autopsy report is revealed.

DISCH: You and I need to go to MN and turn this thing up a notch!! I think we could resolve this case

in 3 mos. or less. Grab your gloves and parka and I'll grab the team of Huskies!!

In a way, for me, the immediate cause of death is irrelevant. It should be considered as only one part of the puzzle. But I do agree that you two could figure this out. However, I would like to see the full report. I think it is important.

[Edited 10/12/16 7:59am]

zenarose said:

1Sasha said:

In a way, for me, the immediate cause of death is irrelevant. It should be considered as only one part of the puzzle. But I do agree that you two could figure this out.

1SASHA: that's ALL we have. All the rest is just media. I don't think all media outlets are dishonest,

it's just how the heck do you decipher which is which?? I hope that the family will see the need to

share the truth with us. I'm not saying that they family owes us as fans anything. I'm saying that you

don't have to be related to be family. The family and the fans could be healing together and working

together to bring the things that Prince envisioned to reality. One step, one day, at a time. One heart,

one life, at a time. Genuine love and concern for one another......for ALL people. Take care of each

other, encourage and inspire each other, every man, woman, and most importantly the children, as

they are our future. Prince said it best "take care of each other and love each other".

4oneanother

Far more should have been done professionally on his behalf for four decades.

We all have uncooperative, unstructured, and petulent clients, (famous and not famous), its simply part of the job and not an extraordinary circumstance.

What some have touted as impressive investments and outcomes is grossly laughable compared to what should have been left in the end.

Its as though some fans are delighted there was anything left at all, because the standard around him was so damn low. Count me out of joining you in that delusion please.

laurarichardson said:

Mumio said:

I love how you drill right down to the heart of the matter. Thank you

-- Drills down and has no clue.

StopIt said:

Far more should have been done professionally on his behalf for four decades.

We all have uncooperative, unstructured, and petulent clients, (famous and not famous), its simply part of the job and not an extraordinary circumstance.

What some have touted as impressive investments and outcomes is grossly laughable compared to what should have been left in the end.

Its as though some fans are delighted there was anything left at all, because the standard around him was so damn low. Count me out of joining you in that delusion please.

laurarichardson said:

Mumio said: -- Drills down and has no clue.

StopIt: you are spot on. $300 million for this man is appalling. He should have been close to $750 million to a billion by April. His real estate holdings are not impressive for someone who earned so much money, but could have earned a great deal more. IMO he basically lost the years after the dispute with WB in the early 90s ... He made some money but not what he should have, and he did not allow a proper management/financial team to surround him and PROTECT him.

zenarose said:

1Sasha said:

In a way, for me, the immediate cause of death is irrelevant. It should be considered as only one part of the puzzle. But I do agree that you two could figure this out.

1SASHA: that's ALL we have. All the rest is just media. I don't think all media outlets are dishonest,

it's just how the heck do you decipher which is which?? I hope that the family will see the need to

share the truth with us. I'm not saying that they family owes us as fans anything. I'm saying that you

don't have to be related to be family. The family and the fans could be healing together and working

together to bring the things that Prince envisioned to reality. One step, one day, at a time. One heart,

one life, at a time. Genuine love and concern for one another......for ALL people. Take care of each

other, encourage and inspire each other, every man, woman, and most importantly the children, as

they are our future. Prince said it best "take care of each other and love each other".

4oneanother

I like what you have written. I feel that he was spinning in the abyss, and I am just trying to understand how he got there.

You know it.

For those of you others out there with your heads screwed on straight too, join us, we see you.

1Sasha said:

StopIt said:

Far more should have been done professionally on his behalf for four decades.

We all have uncooperative, unstructured, and petulent clients, (famous and not famous), its simply part of the job and not an extraordinary circumstance.

What some have touted as impressive investments and outcomes is grossly laughable compared to what should have been left in the end.

Its as though some fans are delighted there was anything left at all, because the standard around him was so damn low. Count me out of joining you in that delusion please.

StopIt: you are spot on. $300 million for this man is appalling. He should have been close to $750 million to a billion by April. His real estate holdings are not impressive for someone who earned so much money, but could have earned a great deal more. IMO he basically lost the years after the dispute with WB in the early 90s ... He made some money but not what he should have, and he did not allow a proper management/financial team to surround him and PROTECT him.

1Sasha said:

zenarose said:

1SASHA: that's ALL we have. All the rest is just media. I don't think all media outlets are dishonest,

it's just how the heck do you decipher which is which?? I hope that the family will see the need to

share the truth with us. I'm not saying that they family owes us as fans anything. I'm saying that you

don't have to be related to be family. The family and the fans could be healing together and working

together to bring the things that Prince envisioned to reality. One step, one day, at a time. One heart,

one life, at a time. Genuine love and concern for one another......for ALL people. Take care of each

other, encourage and inspire each other, every man, woman, and most importantly the children, as

they are our future. Prince said it best "take care of each other and love each other".

4oneanother

I like what you have written. I feel that he was spinning in the abyss, and I am just trying to understand how he got there.

In my mind I don't see him getting to this point all by himself. The hardest part for me to over come is that I cannot believe that he had an issue with drugs. So I x that out first. That leaves me possible dependence due to pain management. Under a Dr.'s care should not have been that big an issue. Then I have the ONLY OFFICIAL information, the ME Media Release. That is pretty much set in stone. I'm stuck explaining the plane incident, the way P was found, and all the illicit drugs found, ect. How was the drugs procured and who procured them? How much did the family know and when? If IF P had a drug problem all these years.... how in the heck was it hidden from the public?? The media was always up P's butt, they wanted the dirt on him and had for years! And we can't forget the employees that straight up lied to everyone. He's fine, he's got the flu, I never noticed.......I believe something was going on with P, just not sure that it's what has been told.

1Sasha said:

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

StopIt: you are spot on. $300 million for this man is appalling. He should have been close to $750 million to a billion by April. His real estate holdings are not impressive for someone who earned so much money, but could have earned a great deal more. IMO he basically lost the years after the dispute with WB in the early 90s ... He made some money but not what he should have, and he did not allow a proper management/financial team to surround him and PROTECT him.

--How much Real Estate do you own? I am amazed at the fact that someone who does not have even a 10th of his wealth is even commenting. Maybe that 50 million was enough Real Estate for him and maybe that 300 million was enough for him. He did not have a spouse or children so why would he have needed to amass anymore cash. He seemed happy giving it away to people and charities. Why do you think he finacial team was not sound? Did you even bother to read what the AEG Live said about Musicology tour and how much input he had in that successful tour. Do realize he was getting a million s show at one point? I could go on and on but Goggle is your friend and let me know when you make your first 300 million. V

Laura, you have no idea how much I am worth. I know what people can make in the entertainment business. You can dispute what I have said, but IN MY OPINION he did not make the money he could have or should have made at his level of importance and influence. Reportedly, he blew through advisors and lawyers at least every year, if not more frequently. Look at what is happening now with his Estate - a sound team would have insured his financial house was in order, including charitable bequests and end-of-life documents. No reasonable person can argue with the logic of this.

zenarose said:

1Sasha said:

I like what you have written. I feel that he was spinning in the abyss, and I am just trying to understand how he got there.

In my mind I don't see him getting to this point all by himself. The hardest part for me to over come is that I cannot believe that he had an issue with drugs. So I x that out first. That leaves me possible dependence due to pain management. Under a Dr.'s care should not have been that big an issue. Then I have the ONLY OFFICIAL information, the ME Media Release. That is pretty much set in stone. I'm stuck explaining the plane incident, the way P was found, and all the illicit drugs found, ect. How was the drugs procured and who procured them? How much did the family know and when? If IF P had a drug problem all these years.... how in the heck was it hidden from the public?? The media was always up P's butt, they wanted the dirt on him and had for years! And we can't forget the employees that straight up lied to everyone. He's fine, he's got the flu, I never noticed.......I believe something was going on with P, just not sure that it's what has been told.

I understand what you are saying. In my mind I keep going back to Manuela's statement about the leeches and hangers-on around him. I know many orgers do not like her, but perhaps that was the most truthful comment about his life that anyone around him has made in the past nearly six months. Whatever their personal differences, she might have seen something the public never did.

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

That Rolling Stone article was an eye opener for me. IIRC that mentions the skeletal staff/lack of security at PP plus the frayed couch. I brought that couch up once before. It is my understanding that PP was kept in pristine condition for many years, with the walls re-painted every six months or so. To have a couch in disrepair in Prince's home - when we have known for years that he is extremely meticulous in everything he does and what is around him - speaks volumes to me about how things were changing in his life. This was 2014. Two years ago. Just think about it. The "old" Prince would have seen that and had staff fix or replace it immediately, or been angry that they had not taken care of it without his telling them to. It might not have appeared on the "new" Prince's radar.

Yes, in those two years he had PP remade into a museum. The interior designer who did some of the painting posted their work on line a few weeks ago. It appears he had remodeled many of the rooms since the interview was done.

Spending two years transforming his home studio into a public place and even taking out his Basketball court. What does that tell you?

It tells me that he was either planning on retiring or simply downsizing his role in the management of his business empire. Happens all the time. Bill Gates stepped down as CEO of Microsoft so he could pursue philantropical efforts like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

He was getting older and running everything must having been very taxing on him.

I like to think that his comments to Tyka just meant that he was feeling creatively exhausted. Maybe he was planning on doing what Billy Joel did. Billy stopped making new music in 1993 but has toured on the regular since. His career hasn't suffered at all for that decision.

Touring is the big way to make money in the industry these days anyways.

I think the Piano and Microphone tour wasn't a goodbye but new beginning.

1Sasha said:

zenarose said:

In my mind I don't see him getting to this point all by himself. The hardest part for me to over come is that I cannot believe that he had an issue with drugs. So I x that out first. That leaves me possible dependence due to pain management. Under a Dr.'s care should not have been that big an issue. Then I have the ONLY OFFICIAL information, the ME Media Release. That is pretty much set in stone. I'm stuck explaining the plane incident, the way P was found, and all the illicit drugs found, ect. How was the drugs procured and who procured them? How much did the family know and when? If IF P had a drug problem all these years.... how in the heck was it hidden from the public?? The media was always up P's butt, they wanted the dirt on him and had for years! And we can't forget the employees that straight up lied to everyone. He's fine, he's got the flu, I never noticed.......I believe something was going on with P, just not sure that it's what has been told.

I understand what you are saying. In my mind I keep going back to Manuela's statement about the leeches and hangers-on around him. I know many orgers do not like her, but perhaps that was the most truthful comment about his life that anyone around him has made in the past nearly six months. Whatever their personal differences, she might have seen something the public never did.

Appolonia said the same words. Jill Jones, Cat......

7thday said:

Friends, I now have no doubt in my mind that Prince Rogers Nelson was murdered. I have absolutely no proof. I've read Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight by Thom Hartmann, The Holy Bible by, well, God, if you will, The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander, A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn, watched on youtube every possible video by Amy Schumer, Richard Pryor, Jerry Seinfeld, Larry David, Martin Short, Steve Martin, Wendy Leibman, Elayne Boosler, Andy Kaufman and George Carlin, watched the movies Lenny starring Dustin Hoffman, The Front starring Woody Allen, the documentary CitizenFour (about Edward Snowden), and the biopic Snowden (starring Joseph Gordon-Levitt) and all of it just brings me to the conclusion that Prince was rubbed out by the Central Intelligence Agency.

Yes, he could of been murdered but I don't think he was murdered because he represented some kind of existential threat to the New World Order. The reason was probably a little more base than that, like I don't know, maybe $$$$ moo la la.

When people turn up dead the police first interview the spouse and/or family members. Murders are usually f*cking personal. Marvin Gaye was killed by his own father.

Prince seemed to be on point right up until the Toronto show. So what happened between the Toronto and Atlanta shows?

SPRAKA said:

7thday said:

Friends, I now have no doubt in my mind that Prince Rogers Nelson was murdered. I have absolutely no proof. I've read Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight by Thom Hartmann, The Holy Bible by, well, God, if you will, The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander, A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn, watched on youtube every possible video by Amy Schumer, Richard Pryor, Jerry Seinfeld, Larry David, Martin Short, Steve Martin, Wendy Leibman, Elayne Boosler, Andy Kaufman and George Carlin, watched the movies Lenny starring Dustin Hoffman, The Front starring Woody Allen, the documentary CitizenFour (about Edward Snowden), and the biopic Snowden (starring Joseph Gordon-Levitt) and all of it just brings me to the conclusion that Prince was rubbed out by the Central Intelligence Agency.

Yes, he could of been murdered but I don't think he was murdered because he represented some kind of existential threat to the New World Order. The reason was probably a little more base than that, like I don't know, maybe $$$$ moo la la.

When people turn up dead the police first interview the spouse and/or family members. Murders are usually f*cking personal. Marvin Gaye was killed by his own father.

Prince seemed to be on point right up until the Toronto show. So what happened between the Toronto and Atlanta shows?

Good point. I'm gonna see where he was between May 20, 2015 to April 2016.

Didn't he perform the New Year's Eve show for Roman in the islands? And who is the alleged female friend in the islands with the child, he had a key to the house, etc.? I saw that for the first time yesterday. Then there was Australia, USA, the memoir concert, Atlanta ... There were after-shows in Toronto but then none after that for Atlanta. I hope I have not messed up the order of these incidents.

SPRAKA said:

1Sasha said:

zenarose said:

I just became aware of the news report. I thought yall might be interested.

http://kstp.com/news/prince-received-out-patient-treatment-bank-trustee-drills-princes-vault-open/4119830/

The story talks about the vault, but it also talks about another issue that didn't draw a lot of attention.

Take from it what you will, as it is the media.

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Bremer Trust had no business being at PP, drilling his "Vault", while there was a "criminal investigation" going on, period!!

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It's obvious that Tyka set this all up.

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And another thing -- another reason why I don't think Tyka is being honest with us is the following:

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If Prince did in fact tell her "2-years" ago that he was "done", and wrapping things up at PP, and his health was failing (due to addiction to pain meds/or something else); DON'T YOU THINK PRINCE WOULD HAVE GIVEN HER THE DAMN CODE TO UNLOCK THE VAULT? Something that he "cherished" and "guarded" his entire life?!

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The fact that they (Bremer and whomever) "drilled" his vault open should raise a BIG red flag!!

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I don't know about you guys, but that makes me go: WTF?!!!!

1Sasha said:

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

SPRAKA said:

It tells me that he was either planning on retiring or simply downsizing his role in the management of his business empire. Happens all the time. Bill Gates stepped down as CEO of Microsoft so he could pursue philantropical efforts like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

He was getting older and running everything must having been very taxing on him.

I like to think that his comments to Tyka just meant that he was feeling creatively exhausted. Maybe he was planning on doing what Billy Joel did. Billy stopped making new music in 1993 but has toured on the regular since. His career hasn't suffered at all for that decision.

Touring is the big way to make money in the industry these days anyways.

I think the Piano and Microphone tour wasn't a goodbye but new beginning.

--- So Tkya was grieving for two years because he was retiring! Come on she was his sister not a fan. I know it is hard to hear it but dude was sick with something.

If my brother told me he was retiring it wouldn't phase me at all. I certainly wouldn't prepare for his death.

And I know that some are saying she knew about his addiction starting two years ago and that she was preparing for the possibility of his death then. That is a stronger argument than the retirement one, but that's not how you speak of an addiction that could kill someone. My family has been through this a lot. You're usually still full of hope after just two years. Yes, it's a rollercoaster of terrifying ups and downs, but you still think your loved one can beat it. And even when you do begin to accept that they won't, it's not a done deal. Death is possible, even probable, but not inevitable.

That's not saying that his illness isn't because of opoiod use. That's entirely possible, whether he was using or abusing them (prescription use of ibuprofen almost killed me; these drugs can hurt while they help).

[Edited 10/12/16 11:19am]

cloveringold85 said:

zenarose said:

ceilidh

Tyka saying that Prince had completed his mission just doesn't mesh with what Van Jones said. In his very tearful interview right after Prince's death he said Prince had so many things that he wanted to do still. He mentioned his charities and a children's book. He also stressed that Prince was so much more than his music. I realize Tyka is Prince's sister and Van Jones isn't blood related but you certainly didn't get a sense from him that Prince was done. If you haven't seen the interview you could find it on a search. I think it was on CNN since that is network he is affiliated with. Don't know what to think.

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Thank you for saying that!! There is a really good quote that I love: "Friends are the FAMILY that you choose."

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What you have to understand, being a "blood relative" does not make you CLOSE. We all know that Prince and Tyka had their differences, and their relationship was strained, most of their adult lives. In fact, they were not very close, at all. Perhaps after Prince helped Tyka with her drug addiction, they became closer. They matured and learned from their mistakes. That does not mean that they were ever really "close".

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You are right in saying that Tyka's comment differ from what other people have said recently.

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laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

SPRAKA said:

It tells me that he was either planning on retiring or simply downsizing his role in the management of his business empire. Happens all the time. Bill Gates stepped down as CEO of Microsoft so he could pursue philantropical efforts like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

He was getting older and running everything must having been very taxing on him.

I like to think that his comments to Tyka just meant that he was feeling creatively exhausted. Maybe he was planning on doing what Billy Joel did. Billy stopped making new music in 1993 but has toured on the regular since. His career hasn't suffered at all for that decision.

Touring is the big way to make money in the industry these days anyways.

I think the Piano and Microphone tour wasn't a goodbye but new beginning.

--- So Tkya was grieving for two years because he was retiring! Come on she was his sister not a fan. I know it is hard to hear it but dude was sick with something.

Well, I said to you before that the terminal illness theory is very plausible & cannot be ruled out.

I guess its hard for fans (including myself) to reconcile the fact that he was 'knocking em dead' in concert in Alanta and then a week later he is dead. I have known terminally ill people. They are not giving concerts, ordering new musical instruments and riding bicycles shortly before passing. The only person I know of who was fine one day and gone a few days later was someone suffering from a brain tumour. And again, that's very possible he had one too. We don't know.

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

Didn't he perform the New Year's Eve show for Roman in the islands? And who is the alleged female friend in the islands with the child, he had a key to the house, etc.? I saw that for the first time yesterday. Then there was Australia, USA, the memoir concert, Atlanta ... There were after-shows in Toronto but then none after that for Atlanta. I hope I have not messed up the order of these incidents.

What female friend in the islands?

Laura, I read this yesterday. Oh God, I'll try to find it. It was said that she was a platonic friend, that he would go and stay at her house. The person who commented said this woman was devastated after his death. I'll try to find it for you. I know he had the T & C compound, but T & C wasn't mentioned in the post with reference to this woman.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Bremer Trust had no business being at PP, drilling his "Vault", while there was a "criminal investigation" going on, period!!

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It's obvious that Tyka set this all up.

.

And another thing -- another reason why I don't think Tyka is being honest with us is the following:

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If Prince did in fact tell her "2-years" ago that he was "done", and wrapping things up at PP, and his health was failing (due to addiction to pain meds/or something else); DON'T YOU THINK PRINCE WOULD HAVE GIVEN HER THE DAMN CODE TO UNLOCK THE VAULT? Something that he "cherished" and "guarded" his entire life?!

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The fact that they (Bremer and whomever) "drilled" his vault open should raise a BIG red flag!!

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I don't know about you guys, but that makes me go: WTF?!!!!

-- I do not think the first thing Breamer did was still open the vault. The first thing they did was secure Paisley Park and look for a will. The news was reporting dumb shit the first week after he died.

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Yes, but they had no business being inside PP doing ANYTHING, while a criminal investigation was going on. The Carver County Sheriff made so many mistakes. They waited too long to get the FBI and the DEA involved, in my opinion. Who knows who was walking around inside PP and "tampering" with evidence and removing items from PP. We just don't know!!

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But like I said......if Prince gave Tyka "instructions" on what to do (as she stated), then WHY didn't she have the code to unlock the Vault?

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