cloveringold85 said:

PennyPurple said:

He wasn't murdered, he didn't kill himself, he wasn't poisoned. He died of an accidental overdose, just like they said.

He wasn't a druggie, he took the meds to control his pain. The narcs are getting so hard to get because the drs. are trying not to prescribe those type of meds anymore because the abusers are getting out of hand and the amount of OD's have risen so drastically.

There is BIG difference between a druggie who is abusing the drugs to get high, and a patient with chronic pain that are taking the drugs in order to be able to have a better quality of life.

His dr probably wouldn't prescribe the narcs or stopped prescribing them, he turned to the streets because in order to function he had to have the drug. He got a bad batch of street pills, which has been going thru the Midwest for quite sometime now.

His clothes were on backwards/inside out because he was high as a kite and tried to get back dressed.

His security guy never seen the pills, because they were carried in Aleve or Aspirin bottles, and the security guard had no other reason to think differently.

The security cameras were turned off because his associates were trying to get the rehab dr, into PP without Prince knowing.

His statement to Tyka, was nothing more than a statement that he has done what he set out to do. Meaning, he felt his job that he was put on earth to do, has been completed. RE: WB and getting his work back.

IMO, Prince wasn't feeling good, he wanted to cut back and going on tour With a Piano and Microphone, he didn't need a band etc. etc. Just him and piano, which was a very smart idea.

Yes, drug addiction is drug addiction. But let's not confuse the 2. Druggies abuse drugs to get high. Chronic pain people use drugs to survive.

All of this is just my opinion. I don't mean to offend anybody.

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Penny: I apprecicate what you are saying. I also do not believe that Prince was a "drug addict".

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Something you said caught my concern; you said: The security cameras were turned off because his associates were trying to get the rehab dr, into PP without Prince knowing.

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How do you know that is fact? Furthermore, turning off the security system is something that Prince would never approve of, so whomever did this was not respecting their "Boss" (aka: Prince).

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We all know Prince ran PP like a Ship Captain, and he would NEVER, under ANY circumstances turn-off the security system.

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Could you please share your source for that information, or is it based on your opinion? Thanks.

As I said, it is all my opinion. The only thing that isn't my opinion that is basically fact is: the accidental overdose.

PennyPurple said:

He wasn't murdered, he didn't kill himself, he wasn't poisoned. He died of an accidental overdose, just like they said.

He wasn't a druggie, he took the meds to control his pain. The narcs are getting so hard to get because the drs. are trying not to prescribe those type of meds anymore because the abusers are getting out of hand and the amount of OD's have risen so drastically.

There is BIG difference between a druggie who is abusing the drugs to get high, and a patient with chronic pain that are taking the drugs in order to be able to have a better quality of life.

His dr probably wouldn't prescribe the narcs or stopped prescribing them, he turned to the streets because in order to function he had to have the drug. He got a bad batch of street pills, which has been going thru the Midwest for quite sometime now.

His clothes were on backwards/inside out because he was high as a kite and tried to get back dressed.

His security guy never seen the pills, because they were carried in Aleve or Aspirin bottles, and the security guard had no other reason to think differently.

The security cameras were turned off because his associates were trying to get the rehab dr, into PP without Prince knowing.

His statement to Tyka, was nothing more than a statement that he has done what he set out to do. Meaning, he felt his job that he was put on earth to do, has been completed. RE: WB and getting his work back.

IMO, Prince wasn't feeling good, he wanted to cut back and going on tour With a Piano and Microphone, he didn't need a band etc. etc. Just him and piano, which was a very smart idea.

Yes, drug addiction is drug addiction. But let's not confuse the 2. Druggies abuse drugs to get high. Chronic pain people use drugs to survive.

All of this is just my opinion. I don't mean to offend anybody.

"His statement to Tyka, was nothing more than a statement that he has done what he set out to do. Meaning, he felt his job that he was put on earth to do, has been completed. RE: WB and getting his work back."

And Tyka greived for two years because he had set out to what he wanted to do. Is that something you would grieve over? No one is saying he did not die from an overdose some of think he was also sick from something else and Tyka's statement kind of gives us a clue.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

He wasn't murdered, he didn't kill himself, he wasn't poisoned. He died of an accidental overdose, just like they said.

He wasn't a druggie, he took the meds to control his pain. The narcs are getting so hard to get because the drs. are trying not to prescribe those type of meds anymore because the abusers are getting out of hand and the amount of OD's have risen so drastically.

There is BIG difference between a druggie who is abusing the drugs to get high, and a patient with chronic pain that are taking the drugs in order to be able to have a better quality of life.

His dr probably wouldn't prescribe the narcs or stopped prescribing them, he turned to the streets because in order to function he had to have the drug. He got a bad batch of street pills, which has been going thru the Midwest for quite sometime now.

His clothes were on backwards/inside out because he was high as a kite and tried to get back dressed.

His security guy never seen the pills, because they were carried in Aleve or Aspirin bottles, and the security guard had no other reason to think differently.

The security cameras were turned off because his associates were trying to get the rehab dr, into PP without Prince knowing.

His statement to Tyka, was nothing more than a statement that he has done what he set out to do. Meaning, he felt his job that he was put on earth to do, has been completed. RE: WB and getting his work back.

IMO, Prince wasn't feeling good, he wanted to cut back and going on tour With a Piano and Microphone, he didn't need a band etc. etc. Just him and piano, which was a very smart idea.

Yes, drug addiction is drug addiction. But let's not confuse the 2. Druggies abuse drugs to get high. Chronic pain people use drugs to survive.

All of this is just my opinion. I don't mean to offend anybody.

"His statement to Tyka, was nothing more than a statement that he has done what he set out to do. Meaning, he felt his job that he was put on earth to do, has been completed. RE: WB and getting his work back."

And Tyka greived for two years because he had set out to what he wanted to do. Is that something you would grieve over? No one is saying he did not die from an overdose some of think he was also sick from something else and Tyka's statement kind of gives us a clue.

I believe that Tyka had grief for 2 years because Prince thought his job on earth was finished and if he died tomorrow, then it would be fine. I think Tyka was thinking that he wasn't getting any younger and anything could happen and the older you get, the closer you get to death and quite frankly worried for 2 years that she was going to lose her brother...maybe she knew about the pain killers and that caused the worry and grief.

Again, that is just my opinion.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

"His statement to Tyka, was nothing more than a statement that he has done what he set out to do. Meaning, he felt his job that he was put on earth to do, has been completed. RE: WB and getting his work back."

And Tyka greived for two years because he had set out to what he wanted to do. Is that something you would grieve over? No one is saying he did not die from an overdose some of think he was also sick from something else and Tyka's statement kind of gives us a clue.

I believe that Tyka had grief for 2 years because Prince thought his job on earth was finished and if he died tomorrow, then it would be fine. I think Tyka was thinking that he wasn't getting any younger and anything could happen and the older you get, the closer you get to death and quite frankly worried for 2 years that she was going to lose her brother...maybe she knew about the pain killers and that caused the worry and grief.

Again, that is just my opinion.

You really think that just the idea that he said he was done with his business goals would cause her to grieve for two years? To actually not be surprised when she got the call? Do you realize what pain meds can do to the organs? Do you know he received other meds from Dr. S that were not were not pain meds? Something else was going on with his health.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Zena: Girl been doin' her homework this weekend!

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Seriously, I am right there with you on everything you said, and we will keep preaching it.

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You are absolutely correct; Prince did in fact have an appointment with a "holistic" doctor on the morning of April 21, 2016, and it makes ZERO sense that he would have 2 appointments on the same morning. We have no proof that he had anything scheduled with Dr. K. or his son.

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And JH story about P being "calm" in the hospital, but he was given Narcan, 2 times?! Again, we just don't know if he had O/D on that plane.

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My theory is this (and call me nuts), I think that P knew someone was trying to do him harm, and he was getting blood test results that very same day, BUT they made damn sure that they got there BEFORE the other doctor arrived, to make sure they finished him, once and for all.

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Dr K's son may have been a part of an intervention that Prince was not aware of. As you are correct he was not going to be in two places at once. As far as the Narcan it is given to people who are non-responsive not always for O.D.s and even Dr. Drew said what Judith described did not sound like an O.D. but a seizure. We never had any confirmation that he actually had an O.D. at that hospital in Moline and I can't figure out how he would be calm after the Narcan unless he was just unresponsive from a seizure and not pain med o.d. I mean how the hell did he get throught that show on enough pain meds to put him in an O.D. state and how was he eating pasta and vegetable when the chef said he was drinking smoothies and soups. These pain med will destroy your stomach and digestive system how was he getting all those damm veggies down up and until January like the chef said. Some parts of this story just do not add up and never have.

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Perhaps his "peeps" and "Phaedra Lamkins" arranged the intervention without Prince's knowledge, but we just don't know.

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If he was given 2 doses of Narcan, he would have been in pretty bad shape at the hospital, and not 'calm' and doing "fine" as JH suggests. Also, don't forget KJ said "all is well" -- which was so far from the truth!!

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I understand that a lot of P's "circle of trust" had to do what he instructed. Maybe they said things that weren't necessarily truthful about his condition.

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What JH said about Prince at the hospital, and what Tyka is saying are two completely different things. And, the controversy continues......

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PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Penny: I apprecicate what you are saying. I also do not believe that Prince was a "drug addict".

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Something you said caught my concern; you said: The security cameras were turned off because his associates were trying to get the rehab dr, into PP without Prince knowing.

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How do you know that is fact? Furthermore, turning off the security system is something that Prince would never approve of, so whomever did this was not respecting their "Boss" (aka: Prince).

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We all know Prince ran PP like a Ship Captain, and he would NEVER, under ANY circumstances turn-off the security system.

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Could you please share your source for that information, or is it based on your opinion? Thanks.

As I said, it is all my opinion. The only thing that isn't my opinion that is basically fact is: the accidental overdose.

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Okay.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

Dr K's son may have been a part of an intervention that Prince was not aware of. As you are correct he was not going to be in two places at once. As far as the Narcan it is given to people who are non-responsive not always for O.D.s and even Dr. Drew said what Judith described did not sound like an O.D. but a seizure. We never had any confirmation that he actually had an O.D. at that hospital in Moline and I can't figure out how he would be calm after the Narcan unless he was just unresponsive from a seizure and not pain med o.d. I mean how the hell did he get throught that show on enough pain meds to put him in an O.D. state and how was he eating pasta and vegetable when the chef said he was drinking smoothies and soups. These pain med will destroy your stomach and digestive system how was he getting all those damm veggies down up and until January like the chef said. Some parts of this story just do not add up and never have.

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Perhaps his "peeps" and "Phaedra Lamkins" arranged the intervention without Prince's knowledge, but we just don't know.

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If he was given 2 doses of Narcan, he would have been in pretty bad shape at the hospital, and not 'calm' and doing "fine" as JH suggests. Also, don't forget KJ said "all is well" -- which was so far from the truth!!

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I understand that a lot of P's "circle of trust" had to do what he instructed. Maybe they said things that weren't necessarily truthful about his condition.

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What JH said about Prince at the hospital, and what Tyka is saying are two completely different things. And, the controversy continues......

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What JH said about Prince at the hospital, and what Tyka is saying are two completely different things. And, the controversy continues......

If he knew he was dying and had taken care of enough matters to go on tour maybe he was at peace with himself. If I knew I was going to die and I had two years to tie up loose ends I would be calm as well. I had a cousin who was given one year to live and he actually had time to plan his own funeral and did not tell a lot of his friends what was going on until the last couple of months. He was at peace with what was going to happen.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

I believe that Tyka had grief for 2 years because Prince thought his job on earth was finished and if he died tomorrow, then it would be fine. I think Tyka was thinking that he wasn't getting any younger and anything could happen and the older you get, the closer you get to death and quite frankly worried for 2 years that she was going to lose her brother...maybe she knew about the pain killers and that caused the worry and grief.

Again, that is just my opinion.

You really think that just the idea that he said he was done with his business goals would cause her to grieve for two years? To actually not be surprised when she got the call? Do you realize what pain meds can do to the organs? Do you know he received other meds from Dr. S that were not were not pain meds? Something else was going on with his health.

I do think it would cause her to worry for 2 years knowing his pain med history.

I do know exactly what those meds do to the organs. 1st hand actually, because I deal with it everyday with my husband. I'll tell you and the others a little bit of that story.

My husband was diagnosed with a rare spinal cord disease in 2002, of course after being mis-diagnosed for 2 years, that 2 years of misdiagnosis cost us his career as a firefighter. We had 3 young kids at the time and my hubby was 36 years old. To make a long story short, he has severe chronic pain, that brought him to his knees and screaming out in pain. The 'specialists' put him on Oxycodone, as time went on he had a tolerance to them and they kept upping his med levels. 10 years later it all came to a head, he was on an unbelievable amount of pain meds, so much so that the specialist that we finally went to, was surprised the man was still alive, let alone walking. The reason we went to this last specialist is because the dr that was giving the pain meds, stopped prescribing them to everybody in his practise, which is happening quite often these days. The new dr immediatly started to wean him off his meds, 4 years later, yes 4 years, we are at a point where in 3 months he will actually be off all those narcotics. That is how long it takes to wean off these meds in a safe and effective way. Today his pain is the same as it was when he was on his highest dose of meds. but at least after weaning him off, the pain has got no worse, which we are thankful for.

What those meds do to a person who is taking them long term is unbelievable. He had a heart attack, he was on oxygen 24/7 and lots more other problems. Now after getting off the pain meds he no longer has to use oxygen and his heart is doing fine.

I just don't believe that Prince was ready to leave this earth. He had so much planned for the future.

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From "The Final Call" news article, dated April 28, 2016:

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"According to Mr. Jones, it was Phaedra Ellis Lamkins, a young, Black woman in the labor movement, Prince’s manager, who went to war to get his catalogue back."

Prince wanted to make children’s cartoons, control his own music, and help children, he said. Prince cared so much just about ordinary people, Mr. Jones stated during the Dr. Drew show on the cable Headline News channel.

Prince has empowered many young adults through Yes We Code, a national initiative to connect 100,000 men and women from low-opportunity backgrounds to high-paying careers in technology. Prince helped launch the initiative at the 20th Anniversary Essence Music Festival, July 4th, 2014.

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http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/National_News_2/article_103058.shtml

cloveringold85 said:

I just don't believe that Prince was ready to leave this earth. He had so much planned for the future.

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From "The Final Call" news article, dated April 28, 2016:

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"According to Mr. Jones, it was Phaedra Ellis Lamkins, a young, Black woman in the labor movement, Prince’s manager, who went to war to get his catalogue back."

Prince wanted to make children’s cartoons, control his own music, and help children, he said. Prince cared so much just about ordinary people, Mr. Jones stated during the Dr. Drew show on the cable Headline News channel.

Prince has empowered many young adults through Yes We Code, a national initiative to connect 100,000 men and women from low-opportunity backgrounds to high-paying careers in technology. Prince helped launch the initiative at the 20th Anniversary Essence Music Festival, July 4th, 2014.

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http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/National_News_2/article_103058.shtml

I do not think he wanted to die either.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Perhaps his "peeps" and "Phaedra Lamkins" arranged the intervention without Prince's knowledge, but we just don't know.

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If he was given 2 doses of Narcan, he would have been in pretty bad shape at the hospital, and not 'calm' and doing "fine" as JH suggests. Also, don't forget KJ said "all is well" -- which was so far from the truth!!

.

I understand that a lot of P's "circle of trust" had to do what he instructed. Maybe they said things that weren't necessarily truthful about his condition.

.

What JH said about Prince at the hospital, and what Tyka is saying are two completely different things. And, the controversy continues......

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What JH said about Prince at the hospital, and what Tyka is saying are two completely different things. And, the controversy continues......

If he knew he was dying and had taken care of enough matters to go on tour maybe he was at peace with himself. If I knew I was going to die and I had two years to tie up loose ends I would be calm as well. I had a cousin who was given one year to live and he actually had time to plan his own funeral and did not tell a lot of his friends what was going on until the last couple of months. He was at peace with what was going to happen.

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I understand what you are saying. Perhaps Prince was "at peace", and just wanted to finish-up a few things before he left us.

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Yes, I have heard of stories where people get ready to die. My ex mother-in-law once told me a story about her grandmother when she died. She said she cleaned the house, it was immaculate, then she laid down on the sofa and peacefully passed away. She did what she needed to do, and knew it was time to go. Sad, but true.

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PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

I just don't believe that Prince was ready to leave this earth. He had so much planned for the future.

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From "The Final Call" news article, dated April 28, 2016:

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"According to Mr. Jones, it was Phaedra Ellis Lamkins, a young, Black woman in the labor movement, Prince’s manager, who went to war to get his catalogue back."

Prince wanted to make children’s cartoons, control his own music, and help children, he said. Prince cared so much just about ordinary people, Mr. Jones stated during the Dr. Drew show on the cable Headline News channel.

Prince has empowered many young adults through Yes We Code, a national initiative to connect 100,000 men and women from low-opportunity backgrounds to high-paying careers in technology. Prince helped launch the initiative at the 20th Anniversary Essence Music Festival, July 4th, 2014.

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http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/National_News_2/article_103058.shtml

I do not think he wanted to die either.

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I don't want to think that way either, but maybe Prince did what he wanted to do, and he was ready to go.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

"…He wasn't murdered, he didn't kill himself, he wasn't poisoned. He died of an accidental overdose, just like they said…

…He wasn't a druggie, he took the meds to control his pain. The narcs are getting so hard to get because the drs. are trying not to prescribe those type of meds anymore because the abusers are getting out of hand and the amount of OD's have risen so drastically…

…There is BIG difference between a druggie who is abusing the drugs to get high, and a patient with chronic pain that are taking the drugs in order to be able to have a better quality of life…

…His dr probably wouldn't prescribe the narcs or stopped prescribing them, he turned to the streets because in order to function he had to have the drug. He got a bad batch of street pills, which has been going thru the Midwest for quite sometime now…

…His clothes were on backwards/inside out because he was high as a kite and tried to get back dressed…

…His security guy never seen the pills, because they were carried in Aleve or Aspirin bottles, and the security guard had no other reason to think differently…

…The security cameras were turned off because his associates were trying to get the rehab dr, into PP without Prince knowing…

…His statement to Tyka, was nothing more than a statement that he has done what he set out to do. Meaning, he felt his job that he was put on earth to do, has been completed. RE: WB and getting his work back…

…IMO, Prince wasn't feeling good, he wanted to cut back and going on tour With a Piano and Microphone, he didn't need a band etc. etc. Just him and piano, which was a very smart idea…

…Yes, drug addiction is drug addiction. But let's not confuse the 2. Druggies abuse drugs to get high. Chronic pain people use drugs to survive…

…All of this is just my opinion. I don't mean to offend anybody…"

"…“His statement to Tyka, was nothing more than a statement that he has done what he set out to do. Meaning, he felt his job that he was put on earth to do, has been completed. RE: WB and getting his work back.”…

…And Tyka greived for two years because he had set out to what he wanted to do. Is that something you would grieve over? No one is saying he did not die from an overdose some of think he was also sick from something else and Tyka's statement kind of gives us a clue…"

…I believe that Tyka had grief for 2 years because Prince thought his job on earth was finished and if he died tomorrow, then it would be fine. I think Tyka was thinking that he wasn't getting any younger and anything could happen and the older you get, the closer you get to death and quite frankly worried for 2 years that she was going to lose her brother...maybe she knew about the pain killers and that caused the worry and grief…

…Again, that is just my opinion…"

A word of advice, PennyPurple. It would be easier to convert ISIS to being pro-America than it would be to get certain people here to think through facts logically.

But don't let them bully you into holding back on your opinion, though. There is a minority of us who share your opinion.

phatphuk said:

A word of advice, PennyPurple. It would be easier to convert ISIS to being pro-America than it would be to get certain people here to think through facts logically.

But don't let them bully you into holding back on your opinion, though. There is a minority of us who share your opinion.

Thank you Phat, but these people are pretty intelligent and they know their stuff, I love the things and opinions that they share and quite frankly it would be a pretty boring world, if we all thought the same.

dance4me3121 said:

The stuff about the 2 years and Prince telling Tyka "his work is done" kinda sounds like he wanted to die . Why did Prince wait 2 years ? And shouldn't Tyka have tried her best to get Prince help after he told her that?

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Hmmm. Do we really know for a fact that Prince said that to Tyka?

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She said "2-years".....what exactly did she know 2-years ago? Hmmm. You can't predict your death 2-years before you die.

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Suppose Prince "did" have a "terminal" illness......you still wouldn't know how much time you have left. It could be 2 years, or 6 months or 2 weeks.

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The last part.......yea, IF Tyka "knew" something was wrong with her "Brother", or he had an "addiction" problem, WHY didn't she get him help then?

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Good questions........but more questions remain. Maybe one day, the truth will surface, but I don't think Tyka is going to say very much going forward. She only gave some "tidbits", but not the full story. Basically, what she said on ET and Today Show only leaves us to ponder.

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cloveringold85 said:

I just don't believe that Prince was ready to leave this earth. He had so much planned for the future.

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From "The Final Call" news article, dated April 28, 2016:

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"According to Mr. Jones, it was Phaedra Ellis Lamkins, a young, Black woman in the labor movement, Prince’s manager, who went to war to get his catalogue back."

Prince wanted to make children’s cartoons, control his own music, and help children, he said. Prince cared so much just about ordinary people, Mr. Jones stated during the Dr. Drew show on the cable Headline News channel.

Prince has empowered many young adults through Yes We Code, a national initiative to connect 100,000 men and women from low-opportunity backgrounds to high-paying careers in technology. Prince helped launch the initiative at the 20th Anniversary Essence Music Festival, July 4th, 2014.

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http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/National_News_2/article_103058.shtml

I missed this article. I wish I had of snagged one driving by that day.

Oh, a children's book.

PennyPurple said:

Thanks to the mod for having this thread that specifically talk about P's death. So hopefully people would look at the title before they try to come in this thread and post some trollish crap.

dance4me3121 said:

The stuff about the 2 years and Prince telling Tyka "his work is done" kinda sounds like he wanted to die . Why did Prince wait 2 years ? And shouldn't Tyka have tried her best to get Prince help after he told her that?

Yup.

You do made a good point too that either way Prince wanted to die. Let's forget for a moment that he was terminal ill. Lets say he solely have some drug issues. Still Tyka said she was prepared for two years, Prince also didn't leave a will and went to sign with WB get his master's back (I bet WB already knew he was dying) and moved all of his songs from his name to his publishing company NPG Music, and he looked frailed and sick starting around 2014 (prior the man looked vibrant and happy and healthy too), made peace with the likes of Morris Day (Morris claimed he hadnt spoken to Prince in several years ), Jellybean, called Dez for the first time in 12 years, reflecting a lot during Piano and Mic Tour, have the tear in his avatar pic and the two eyes closed that all signs of a man who no longer wants to be here.

disch said:

Udo, one request:

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Could you change the subject line to something more generic like:

Prince's Death: Information & Theories

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That might make it clear to people to consolidate ALL their death-related discussions here, not just about that one fentanyl story. That would help with the scattered discussions that are hard to follow for those who are interested, and hard to avoid for those who are not.

Dear Udo and Disch,

Thank you for putting all the death-related discussions into one sticky. Disch has done a wonderful job with the "information" aspect, so I am trusting people will utilize the information in the formulation of their theories.

cloveringold85 said:

dance4me3121 said:

The stuff about the 2 years and Prince telling Tyka "his work is done" kinda sounds like he wanted to die . Why did Prince wait 2 years ? And shouldn't Tyka have tried her best to get Prince help after he told her that?

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Hmmm. Do we really know for a fact that Prince said that to Tyka?

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She said "2-years".....what exactly did she know 2-years ago? Hmmm. You can't predict your death 2-years before you die.

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Suppose Prince "did" have a "terminal" illness......you still wouldn't know how much time you have left. It could be 2 years, or 6 months or 2 weeks.

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The last part.......yea, IF Tyka "knew" something was wrong with her "Brother", or he had an "addiction" problem, WHY didn't she get him help then?

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Good questions........but more questions remain. Maybe one day, the truth will surface, but I don't think Tyka is going to say very much going forward. She only gave some "tidbits", but not the full story. Basically, what she said on ET and Today Show only leaves us to ponder.

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If you have a terminal health issue you can be given a time frame sometimes you can even exceed the time you are given with the proper medical care. Prince was not some poor person going to the free clinic. I read a interview with Jackie Collins before she passed from cancer and she fought it for 7 years with experimental treatements being told every year she only had a another year to go. She completed 7 books and toured to promote them the whole time she knew the end was going to come from cancer. I just don't understand why people think she could have made Prince do anything if he did not want to or if there was nothing to be done.

dance4me3121 said:

The stuff about the 2 years and Prince telling Tyka "his work is done" kinda sounds like he wanted to die . Why did Prince wait 2 years ? And shouldn't Tyka have tried her best to get Prince help after he told her that?

I don't think that he wanted to die. Prince's comment to Tyka makes sense in 2 possibilities:

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1) Prince was terminally ill and he was saying that he has done everything he came to do. Meaning that he was ok about dying, because of his accomplishments.

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2) He had a drug problem and he told Tyka that if it kills him, it kills him, because he has done everything he wanted to do. When a family member has a substance abuse problem and they refuse help, there is basically nothing you can do.

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From the beginning of this ordeal, I've felt that Prince had some sort of serious illness outside of drug addiction, but I could be totally wrong. He may have just gotten hooked on his pain pills.

strawberrylova123 said:

803 said:

strawberrylova123 said:

803 said:

Also remember the aug 12 interview on kare with Charles smith... An autopsy report revealed Prince died of an accidental overdose of the painkiller Fentanyl. Smith said he hopes his death can help others -- those struggling or those who are in need of help. "Being free enough to be able to say, I'm not doing well today. I'm in pain. Can you guys help me? Are you going to make fun of me if I tell you that I am in need, I'm hurting?" he said. "That's really a big lesson, that everybody needs to learn." Smith and his family reached out, in many ways, "in every kind of way you can think of," he said. "Weren't trying to hurt him, or nothing like that, it all came from love," he said. So now, instead of dwelling on the past, Smith and his family is looking to the future.

Yep i remember that he said that.

Well why won't they come out and say that plainly. When you're vague about things like this, it only leads to the specualtion and conspiracy theories that we see here. The media is leaving the impression that he was a straight up addict getting high for the hell of it. There are rumors that he had AIDS. Wouldn't it be better to just come out and say that Prince was addicted to pain pills, we tried to help, but he would not go into treatment?

Charles' statement can be taken different ways. One can assume that Prince was in pain for a terminal illness, for example, and was trying to put on like everything was ok. It's just not clear what they are talking about. How much $$$ are they holding out for?

strawberrylova123 said:

The man had poor advisors.

Medical, legal, accounting, managing, promotion, you name it.

They were and are poor advisors in their respective professions, however those are his choices.

He was terminal, he was not going to reheb, he was an artist and had a compulsion to share that (which not all artists do).

He was not going out in a hospice, or constrained to a hospital bed at others' discretions, which they were imposing on him already.

He was a control freak.

Do the math please, have some honesty with your love for the man, cripes.

zenarose said: