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Reply #270 posted 10/12/16 2:00pm

cloveringold85

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laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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So, you don't feel that the fact that Tyka did not have the "code" or the "key" to the VAULT is not strange to you, based on what she said about her brother "Prince" giving her "instructions"?.

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In my opinion, that would have been one of the first things to do! Only Lord knows what will happen to all his music from the VAULT. And, they just recently discovred another room of video tapes. This is all just one giant mess!!

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Tyka appointed Bremer Trust to handle P's estate.

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I guess no one else finds it strange. Hmmm. hmm

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I don't remember Tyka saying she was given instructions to anyone in the media. The only said about instructions was that the plans were drawn up already for Paisley Park and work had already been completed on some of the rooms. As far as Breaner they are a wealth management firm that Prince did businees with for over 30 years. She may gone to them because that is were the money was located. We do not know that Breamer came down to Paisley Park immediately to drill open the vault that came from the media. If the secured the building they would have no reason to automatically drill into the vault on the first day. You make it sound like the bankers broke down the vault and ran away with the tapes. Tyka from what I understand did take down noticed for Prince from time to time this has nothing to do with the vault. Koppleman and McMillian are responsible for taking care of the music and if the administrators think they are doing a bad job that can lose this job in November. According to Dave the engineer that room was just a screening room for the videos it was not some hidden chamber. All of the videos and music are a part of the estate. The stuff will become income generating assets or be auctioned off if estate needs money but I don't think that is going to happen the estate can make plenty of-money.

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Okay, thanks for explaining all of that. I appreciate all the knowledge you have.

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I just have a difficult time with them "drilling" open his vault so quickly like that, and no one had the "code" or "key" to open it? Not even Tyka?

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Well, Tyka did say "they planned for 2-years", but I'm not sure Prince really left everything in her hands.

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Well, whatever Bremer does or Koppleman and McMillian does with P's music, I just hope they will take care of things, as Prince would have wanted, that's all I'm saying.

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"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #271 posted 10/12/16 2:34pm

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cloveringold85 said:



MMJas said:




cloveringold85 said:



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Bremer Trust had no business being at PP, drilling his "Vault", while there was a "criminal investigation" going on, period!!


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It's obvious that Tyka set this all up.


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And another thing -- another reason why I don't think Tyka is being honest with us is the following:


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If Prince did in fact tell her "2-years" ago that he was "done", and wrapping things up at PP, and his health was failing (due to addiction to pain meds/or something else); DON'T YOU THINK PRINCE WOULD HAVE GIVEN HER THE DAMN CODE TO UNLOCK THE VAULT? Something that he "cherished" and "guarded" his entire life?!


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The fact that they (Bremer and whomever) "drilled" his vault open should raise a BIG red flag!!


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I don't know about you guys, but that makes me go: WTF?!!!! eek





You have a point here. If Prince was planning on leaving soon, either by suicide or for the fact that he had a terminal disease, surely he would have given Tyka acesso to the vault? So her comments concerning that two year frame make no sense in that context.


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Yep!!


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Sooooo did Tyka appear back in Princes life in 2014?
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Reply #272 posted 10/12/16 3:29pm

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PurpleDiamonds1 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yep!!

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Soooooo did Tyka appear back in Princes life in 2014?

No, I don't think so. It was earlier than that. Prince spoke affectionately -- briefly but affectionately --of her in an interview with Tavis Smiley at least 6 or 7 years ago, if not earlier.

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Reply #273 posted 10/12/16 4:11pm

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The optimist in me is hoping that Prince is alive (he is in witness protection or he faked his death)

The realist thinks he had a battle with prescription meds and things just went tragically awry.

The pessimist feels that at worst he was murdered by someone for financial gain and at best was a victim of criminal negligence.

What's frustrating is that six months later all of the above theories (even the wild ones) are still possible until proven otherwise.

Since the tribute concerts start tomorrow I am going to take a break from speculating on his death. Instead I am going to spend a few days celebrating the greatest rock star of all time.

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Reply #274 posted 10/12/16 5:30pm

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teach49 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

cloveringold85 said: Soooooo did Tyka appear back in Princes life in 2014?

No, I don't think so. It was earlier than that. Prince spoke affectionately -- briefly but affectionately --of her in an interview with Tavis Smiley at least 6 or 7 years ago, if not earlier.

Tyka said that Prince took her to rehab shortly after their mom passed away. She said he came to the rehab everyday for support and he started to be around town more after their parents passed. So they became close in the last 15 years. This is another reason I don't think he meant he was done like he was just going to go somewhere and O.D. He was in a outpatient rehab and she had been in rehab herself so they would have helped each other out.

I think he was really sick

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Reply #275 posted 10/12/16 5:47pm

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laurarichardson said:

teach49 said:

No, I don't think so. It was earlier than that. Prince spoke affectionately -- briefly but affectionately --of her in an interview with Tavis Smiley at least 6 or 7 years ago, if not earlier.

Tyka said that Prince took her to rehab shortly after their mom passed away. She said he came to the rehab everyday for support and he started to be around town more after their parents passed. So they became close in the last 15 years. This is another reason I don't think he meant he was done like he was just going to go somewhere and O.D. He was in a outpatient rehab and she had been in rehab herself so they would have helped each other out.

I think he was really sick

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Yea, seems like they became closer after the loss of their parents and her rehab ordeal. Things change when you get older. Some siblings just drift apart, and some get closer. Funny thing, huh?

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #276 posted 10/12/16 6:16pm

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laurarichardson said:
--- So Tkya was grieving for two years because he was retiring! Come on she was his sister not a fan. I know it is hard to hear it but dude was sick with something.
He was battling his opiate dependency. Isn't that sick enough? Why do you have to believe he had something else? Yes, he was sick. Dependency on opiates can make you very sick for lots of different reasons. You can argue that all you want but it is what it is. That's all. There is nothing else.

You're right. Opiate dependency could make anyone sick with a range of symptoms covering everything Prince was said to be suffering. Which over a long period of time, with increasing severity, could also make someone suicidal. Because it's not just the physical symptoms that would be a problem, but the emotional toll as well.


That's why the murder theory is so out there. Because it would mean Prince was slowly being poisoned by someone quite close to him over a period of months possibly years! Now where's my tin foil hat? evilking

The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!

If you can add value to someone's life then why not. Especially if it colors their days...
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Reply #277 posted 10/12/16 7:55pm

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fortuneandserendipity said:



sonshine said:


laurarichardson said:
--- So Tkya was grieving for two years because he was retiring! Come on she was his sister not a fan. I know it is hard to hear it but dude was sick with something.

He was battling his opiate dependency. Isn't that sick enough? Why do you have to believe he had something else? Yes, he was sick. Dependency on opiates can make you very sick for lots of different reasons. You can argue that all you want but it is what it is. That's all. There is nothing else.

You're right. Opiate dependency could make anyone sick with a range of symptoms covering everything Prince was said to be suffering. Which over a long period of time, with increasing severity, could also make someone suicidal. Because it's not just the physical symptoms that would be a problem, but the emotional toll as well.



That's why the murder theory is so out there. Because it would mean Prince was slowly being poisoned by someone quite close to him over a period of months possibly years! Now where's my tin foil hat? evilking


Don't throw away that tin foil hat idea just yet....
I think the later is quite possible. Given what we have been told seems probable.
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Reply #278 posted 10/13/16 1:31am

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zenarose said:



PurpleDiamonds1 said:


cloveringold85 said:


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So, you don't feel that the fact that Tyka did not have the "code" or the "key" to the VAULT is not strange to you, based on what she said about her brother "Prince" giving her "instructions"?.


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In my opinion, that would have been one of the first things to do! Only Lord knows what will happen to all his music from the VAULT. And, they just recently discovred another room of video tapes. This is all just one giant mess!!


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Tyka appointed Bremer Trust to handle P's estate.


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I guess no one else finds it strange. Hmmm. hmm


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I find that very strange. Does anyone know if Bremer went to Tyks or did Tyka find Bremer. If it were true that Prince knew his time was limited you would think he would have given her the code to his vault. Find it strange that she mentions P told her his wishes for PP but nothing re the vault? Doubt he would have wanted Bremer in there at all. Not meaning this to sound rude but it seems as if Tyka thought her brothers mission was up....Prince seemed to mention having time left to do quite a bit more. [Edited 10/12/16 12:36pm]



The media reported that Tyka selected Bremer because P had done business with them. It was not



stated if that was recent or in the past. The time frame was not confirmed.


Yes, it was I remember reading that he did business with them for 30 years. In addition they are a wealth management firm.
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Reply #279 posted 10/13/16 4:21am

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disch said:

Here is what I've saved; updated with recent reputable links.

Prince autopsy summary report (6/2/2016)
http://www.anokacounty.us...View/10066
Key points (report signed by Chief Medical Examiner Dr. A. Quinn Strobl)

  • Manner of death: “Accident”
  • Cause of death: “fentanyl toxicity”
  • How injury occurred: “the decedent self-administered fentanyl”
  • Other significant conditions: “na” Email from the ME’s office to Disch explaining this field: “All other important diseases, conditions, or risk factors that were present at the time of death or pre-existed in the deceased and that may have contributed to the death or event of death (if a traumatic or toxic death) may be listed in the other significant conditions section.”
  • Scars & amputations: “Scar, left hip; scar, right lower leg”

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Prince death certificate ("record of death") (6/2/2016)
http://rollingout.com/wp-...60x742.jpg
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Key articles (from reputable sources only – no tabloids, gossip sites, obscure blogs)

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ET (10/5/2016): Prince's Sister Tyka Nelson Says She Knew His Death Was Coming: 'I've Been Preparing for Two Years'
http://www.etonline.com/news/199676_exclusive_prince_sister_tyka_nelson_says_she_knew_his_death_was_coming_i_ve_been_preparing_for_two_years/
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Key points (quotes from Tyka Nelson):

  • “"It wasn't hard at all," Nelson said about coming to grips with Prince's death. "It was a two-word phone call: 'He's gone.' And I knew who he meant. I hung up the phone. An employee of Prince called. I have been preparing for two years, so I knew that it was coming."
  • "He said it a couple of years ago: 'I've done everything that I've come to do.’ I was crushed for about two years.… I've had two years to deal with it, but there's a lot of people that have only had from April to now, so I guess I would say give it another year and a half and maybe you'll be where I'm at."

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AP (10/3/2016): Official: Prince probe focuses on doctors, black market
http://bigstory.ap.org/ar...ack-market
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Key point: Investigators are probing whether doctors illegally prescribed opioids meant for the pop star and whether the fentanyl that killed him came from a black-market source, a law enforcement official said.

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AP (8/21/2016): Official: Pills found at Prince's estate contained fentanyl
http://bigstory.ap.org/ar...d-fentanyl

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Key points (all alleged from unnamed "officials")

  • Counterfeit prescription opioid pills were found at Paisley Park. Most were in bottles of aspirin and Vitamin C inside a suitcase and bags — including one Prince often carried with him.
  • Nearly two dozen pills in an Aleve bottle were falsely labeled "Watson 385." Acetaminophen/hydrocodone pills (e.g., Vicodin) used to legitimately carry that label, but at least one of the pills tested positive for fentanyl.
  • Some pills also contained lidocaine and U-47700 — a synthetic opioid that is eight times more powerful than morphine.
  • Some of these pills were with Prince on his April 15 flight
  • Prior to his death, Prince tested negative for fentanyl, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose within the 24 hours before he died (author couldn’t verify when the “prior” drug test(s) occurred but referenced Dr. Shulenberg’s alleged April 20 and April 7 medical tests on Prince)
  • The autopsy report also shows Prince had diazepam (Valium), lidocaine and hydrocodone acids in his body
  • Prince had no prescription for any controlled substances in the state of Minnesota in the 12 months before he died

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StarTribune (8/21/2016): Pills seized from Paisley Park contained illicit fentanyl, same drug that killed Prince
http://www.startribune.com/pills-seized-from-paisley-park-contained-illicit-fentanyl-same-drug-that-killed-prince/390816101/

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Key points (unless otherwise noted, all from "sources with knowledge of the investigation")

  • Amount of fentanyl in Prince's system was so great, no one could have survived it
  • Prince's clothes were on backward and his socks were inside-out
  • "A DEA spokesman said last week that investigators working the Prince case “haven’t assigned a time limit” on their work, adding that it will be “ongoing and will be thorough.””
  • Per Jason Kamerud, chief deputy of the Carver County Sheriff’s Office: At present, no one in Carver County is dedicated to the investigation full time.

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NYTimes (6/21/2016): I Was on That Fateful Flight With Prince: A Protégée Tells Her Story
http://www.nytimes.com/20....html?_r=0

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Key points (all alleged by Judith Hill)

  • Prince's "eyes fixed" and he "nodded off" in front of Hill on the April 15 private-plane ride that made an emergency landing in Moline, Illinois.
  • Prince was revived on the tarmac with a Narcan shot (source of this info not identified)
  • Hill had never seen Prince in physical pain, and the plane incident was the first time she'd seen him in distress. She declined to discuss the details of his hospital treatment.
  • Prince was "serious about getting help.” Once back in Minn., he had tests with Dr. Michael Shulenberg, the local family physician he allegedly had seen at least several times prior, "because he was concerned, and he wanted to do the right thing for his own body.”
  • Prince told Hill: “'I had to fight for my life'" and "he said it was the hardest thing he’d ever done, to get back into his body like that."

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CNN (6/3/3016): Man who found Prince: 'Nothing can prepare' you
http://www.cnn.com/2016/0...-kornfeld/

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Key point: Andrew Kornfeld, the son of the California addiction- and pain-management specialist Dr. Howard Kornfeld that Prince’s associate had allegedly contacted the day before, says he made the 911 call because the others there (reportedly staffers Meron Bekure and Kirk Johnson) were too distraught

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StarTribune (6/2/2016): Timeline of Prince's Final Days
http://www.startribune.co...381731991/

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Key points (no sources specified)

  • On April 7, the day Prince canceled his Atlanta concerts because of "flu," he saw Dr. Shulenberg
  • On April 16, Prince threw a last-minute Paisley Park dance party and appeared briefly, telling the crowd to “wait a few days” before offering any prayers.
  • On April 19, Prince attended a concert at the Dakota, the last time he was seen in public
  • On April 20, Dr. Howard Kornfeld was contacted but couldn't clear his schedule so he sent his son Andrew on a night flight to MPLS instead

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StarTribune (5/21/2016): Prince Likely Dead for Hours As Picture of His Last Days Takes Shape
http://www.startribune.co...380338131/

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Key points (all alleged from "sources with knowledge of the investigation")

  • Prince had been receiving medical treatment for withdrawal symptoms in the weeks prior to his death
  • Prince had grown "increasingly agitated" in the days after the April 15 plane incident
  • A staff member called an unnamed Prince associate in NY at 6am on April 20 for advice
  • Prince’s associate(s) then reached out to Prince associate Phaedra Ellis-Lamkins in California, who contacted Dr. Kornfeld on the afternoon of April 20
  • Prince received an intravenous treatment at a hospital on April 20
  • When Howard Kornfeld’s son Andrew arrived at Paisley Park on April 21, he was carrying Suboxone, a drug used to help ease opioid withdrawal, which he was not legally permitted to administer.
  • Dr. Shulenberg arrived on the scene after the paramedics were there, to deliver test results.

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CNN (5/17/2016): What Prince's bodyguard has to say about Prince, pain and addiction
http://www.cnn.com/2016/0...rd-speaks/

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Key point: Bodyguard Chris Gaither says he "never saw anything" that pointed to a dependency, despite packing Prince's bags "daily" and going on tour with him

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NYTimes (5/5/2016): Prince’s Addiction and an Intervention Too Late
http://www.nytimes.com/20...-says.html

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Key points (all from unnamed sources unless otherwise noted)

  • Prince was "surprisingly autonomous," often making his own appointments without his assistant’s knowledge
  • Dr. Kornfeld's lawyer says the plan was to "get Prince stabilized" in Minnesota then convince him to go to California for treatment. Dr. Kornfeld had allegedly arranged for an unnamed doctor in MPLS to “clear his schedule” the morning of April 21 to meet with Prince.
  • "Prince began taking painkillers for his ailment years ago and ultimately decided to have hip surgery in the mid-2000s, after which he was prescribed more pain medicine, according to a person who worked with him"
  • "Concerned friends said they had recently been discussing Prince’s emotional state. He had told some people that he was feeling depressed, and some suspected he was going through a period of professional stagnancy....Others said they did not detect any depression."
  • He had reassured numerous friends after the plane incident that he was fine, but unnamed friends decided that they needed to intervene
  • On "April 18, Ms. Lawler-Freas, the Atlanta promoter, said that Prince’s representatives told her to hold off on confirming the eight tour dates she had arranged for him. He was going to take a break that week."
  • According to Dr. Funkenberry, if you abused drugs, “you weren’t going to work with [Prince]. You didn’t have a job.”

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StarTribune (5/4/2016): Prince died amid frantic plans for drug addiction treatment

http://www.startribune.co...378051471/

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Key points (mostly attributed to William Mauzy, the criminal defense attorney hired to represent the Kornfelds)

  • After he was first contacted by Prince’s representatives on “the night of ” April 20, Dr. Kornfeld requested that a Twin Cities physician check on Prince and stabilize him, sources said.
  • Prince’s representatives called Dr. Kornfeld because of his reputation as a nationally known addiction researcher, Mauzy said, and because they felt Prince “was dealing with a grave medical emergency.”
  • Andrew Kornfeld never administered the Suboxone that he brought with him to Paisley Park, Mauzy said.

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AP (5/1/2016): Longtime chef: Prince fought throat, stomach pains recently
http://bigstory.ap.org/ar...s-recently

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Key points:

  • "In recent months, [chef Ray] Roberts said, Prince would have sore throats or seem like he wasn't feeling well for "weeks at a time."
  • Prince has been "eating less and drinking less water, and looked like he was losing weight."
  • Regarding overdose/drug use: According to Chef, "that wasn't the man he saw nearly every night, "not even a hint. Not at all.""

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Background material

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Death certificate guidelines (CDC): https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/...hb_cod.pdf
Rules from the CDC for how authorities should fill out a death certificate's fields

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Fentanyl half-life and detection: http://mentalhealthdaily....ur-system/
Key point: Fentanyl is detectable in blood for up to 4 days after ingestion, and in hair possibly for months
Relevant because: The 8/21 AP report claimed test(s) “prior to Prince’s death” did not detect Fentanyl.

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Counterfeit Prescription Pills Containing Fentanyls: A Global Threat (DEA report: 7/22/2016): https://www.dea.gov/docs/...0Pills.pdf

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Key points

  • Hundreds of thousands of deadly fentanyl-laced counterfeit pills made to look like other prescription opioids have flooded the U.S. drug black-market this year, causing a number of fatal ODs
  • Some counterfeit opioid pills have been found to contain powerful synthetic opioid U-47700
  • The fentanyl is indentifiable in the pills via lab analysis (the pills aren't visually distinct)

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Naloxone (Narcan) use and effects: Drug is an “antidote” to opioid overdoses
https://www.drugs.com/naloxone.html

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Suboxone (buprenorphine/naloxone) treatment: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.g.../NBK64246/
Key point: "A patient should no longer be intoxicated or have any residual opioid effect from his or her last dose of opioid before receiving a first dose of buprenorphine."
Relevant because: Suboxone was the treatment Dr. Kornfeld was allegedly going to begin with Prince on April 21. If so, Prince might have had to be tested for opioids in his system prior to starting treatment.

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Minnesota statutes: Laws covering things like autopsies, death certificates, murder conviction requirements, etc.
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/

THANK YOU!! I was praying that you had saved this! Mine are filed but not in the cool report form like yours. smile

and after all these pls we know from what cause gone our PR IN CE ? ABOUT .... IS SO DIFFICULT FOR THE RESULT ? if u know more about his loss ..... thanks and i'm sorry .....

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Reply #280 posted 10/13/16 12:24pm

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I am taking anything that Tyka say's with a grain of salt. She claims that they planned for "2-years". Why then did they have to "drill" open the VAULT? Prince did not give her the code or key to the VAULT? Too many conflicting stories & it just doesn't add up. Bremer is probably telling the family to keep quiet. Do you hear about people today dying from AIDS? People live a long time with the AIDS virus, under treatment & meds. Makes no sense that Prince would stop taking medication for his "disease" (if he had one), yet pop illegal "Fentanyl" pills? Prince wasn't stupid. The most wonderful, brilliant Icon of our time......gone!!

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"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #281 posted 10/13/16 12:34pm

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cloveringold85 said:

I am taking anything that Tyka say's with a grain of salt. She claims that they planned for "2-years". Why then did they have to "drill" open the VAULT? Prince did not give her the code or key to the VAULT? Too many conflicting stories & it just doesn't add up. Bremer is probably telling the family to keep quiet. Do you hear about people today dying from AIDS? People live a long time with the AIDS virus, under treatment & meds. Makes no sense that Prince would stop taking medication for his "disease" (if he had one), yet pop illegal "Fentanyl" pills? Prince wasn't stupid. The most wonderful, brilliant Icon of our time.....gone!!


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Agree
Once again just more info that does not add up...
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Reply #282 posted 10/13/16 12:37pm

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cloveringold85 said:

I am taking anything that Tyka say's with a grain of salt. She claims that they planned for "2-years". Why then did they have to "drill" open the VAULT? Prince did not give her the code or key to the VAULT? Too many conflicting stories & it just doesn't add up. Bremer is probably telling the family to keep quiet. Do you hear about people today dying from AIDS? People live a long time with the AIDS virus, under treatment & meds. Makes no sense that Prince would stop taking medication for his "disease" (if he had one), yet pop illegal "Fentanyl" pills? Prince wasn't stupid. The most wonderful, brilliant Icon of our time......gone!!

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You need to go back and watch the interview again she did not say she planned anything she said she greived and was crushed nothing about planning anything.

Even if she wanted to plan something while Prince was alive their would be nothing she could do unless she had him comitted and found to be incompetent to handle his affairs.

If she had to keys to the vault she would have to hand them over to the administrator since he had no will. Legally you cannot come in and take people's things when they have no will.

Why are you back on the AIDS story?

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Reply #283 posted 10/13/16 1:01pm

cloveringold85

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laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

I am taking anything that Tyka say's with a grain of salt. She claims that they planned for "2-years". Why then did they have to "drill" open the VAULT? Prince did not give her the code or key to the VAULT? Too many conflicting stories & it just doesn't add up. Bremer is probably telling the family to keep quiet. Do you hear about people today dying from AIDS? People live a long time with the AIDS virus, under treatment & meds. Makes no sense that Prince would stop taking medication for his "disease" (if he had one), yet pop illegal "Fentanyl" pills? Prince wasn't stupid. The most wonderful, brilliant Icon of our time......gone!!

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You need to go back and watch the interview again she did not say she planned anything she said she greived and was crushed nothing about planning anything.

Even if she wanted to plan something while Prince was alive their would be nothing she could do unless she had him comitted and found to be incompetent to handle his affairs.

If she had to keys to the vault she would have to hand them over to the administrator since he had no will. Legally you cannot come in and take people's things when they have no will.

Why are you back on the AIDS story?

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Perhaps I should watch the video again. Maybe she did not say they "planned", but she did say "It was not hard at all. I knew 2-years ago.".......don't quote me on that, but her words were along those lines.

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I just feel that if Prince was getting ready to turn PP into a musem, he would have left very SPECIFIC instructions on the VAULT and other "hidden" rooms that held video tapes/music, which was very "important" and "precious" to him.

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When asked about a "Will", she seemed to know nothing about it. I would think that Prince would have "specifically" told her about those things. Just saying.

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I mentioned AIDS again, because people keep going back to that subject, and I was just trying to prove a point that it would make no sense if he "allegedly" stopped taking his "meds" (AIDS), yet he would take illegal "Fentanyl" pills that ended his life? So, the story about the JW saying that Prince stopped his "meds", and used his "faith" to heal himself (which came from a tabloid), is absurd.

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"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #284 posted 10/13/16 1:50pm

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cloveringold85 said:



laurarichardson said:




cloveringold85 said:


I am taking anything that Tyka say's with a grain of salt. She claims that they planned for "2-years". Why then did they have to "drill" open the VAULT? Prince did not give her the code or key to the VAULT? Too many conflicting stories & it just doesn't add up. Bremer is probably telling the family to keep quiet. Do you hear about people today dying from AIDS? People live a long time with the AIDS virus, under treatment & meds. Makes no sense that Prince would stop taking medication for his "disease" (if he had one), yet pop illegal "Fentanyl" pills? Prince wasn't stupid. The most wonderful, brilliant Icon of our time.....gone!!


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You need to go back and watch the interview again she did not say she planned anything she said she greived and was crushed nothing about planning anything.



Even if she wanted to plan something while Prince was alive their would be nothing she could do unless she had him comitted and found to be incompetent to handle his affairs.



If she had to keys to the vault she would have to hand them over to the administrator since he had no will. Legally you cannot come in and take people's things when they have no will.



Why are you back on the AIDS story?




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Perhaps I should watch the video again. Maybe she did not say they "planned", but she did say "It was not hard at all. I knew 2-years ago.".....don't quote me on that, but her words were along those lines.


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I just feel that if Prince was getting ready to turn PP into a musem, he would have left very SPECIFIC instructions on the VAULT and other "hidden" rooms that held video tapes/music, which was very "important" and "precious" to him.


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When asked about a "Will", she seemed to know nothing about it. I would think that Prince would have "specifically" told her about those things. Just saying.


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I mentioned AIDS again, because people keep going back to that subject, and I was just trying to prove a point that it would make no sense if he "allegedly" stopped taking his "meds" (AIDS), yet he would take illegal "Fentanyl" pills that ended his life? So, the story about the JW saying that Prince stopped his "meds", and used his "faith" to heal himself (which came from a tabloid), is absurd.


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Agree ... If Tyka knew anything was about to happen she at least would have known how to get in the vault...and would not seem clueless re a will or not. Does she even know what Bremer took from the vault?
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Reply #285 posted 10/13/16 6:00pm

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They will just shut it down again.

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If you can add value to someone's life then why not. Especially if it colors their days...
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Reply #286 posted 10/13/16 6:06pm

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muleFunk said:

They will just shut it down again.

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Reply #287 posted 10/13/16 6:31pm

zenarose

I sure hope Chaka does well in her sobriety. I have always liked her. heart

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Reply #288 posted 10/13/16 7:52pm

zenarose

Good enough.

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Reply #289 posted 10/13/16 8:42pm

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I never thought Prince was terminal
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There is no proof of P and drugs until the final 24 hrs before his death.
Just noticed a mention of Switzerland in Chakas post...
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Reply #290 posted 10/14/16 1:41am

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I never thought Prince was terminal and There is no proof of P and drugs until the final 24 hrs before his death. Just noticed a mention of Switzerland in Chakas post... [Edited 10/13/16 22:09pm]

What post is this?

Didn't KJ just come back from holidaying in Switzerland?

Clearly Switzerland is a popular place!

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Reply #291 posted 10/14/16 7:44am

zenarose

I think some posts are missing. There was a post about Chaka in rehab and now it's gone.

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Reply #292 posted 10/14/16 10:28am

1Sasha

I hate to say this, but maybe Prince did not trust the combination to the vault to his family. I would assume that his sister could walk into PP at will. She could bring people with her. They could go to the vault without notice since the security staff was downsized. Just saying ... Trust issues die hard.

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Reply #293 posted 10/14/16 11:02am

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cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

You need to go back and watch the interview again she did not say she planned anything she said she greived and was crushed nothing about planning anything.

Even if she wanted to plan something while Prince was alive their would be nothing she could do unless she had him comitted and found to be incompetent to handle his affairs.

If she had to keys to the vault she would have to hand them over to the administrator since he had no will. Legally you cannot come in and take people's things when they have no will.

Why are you back on the AIDS story?

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Perhaps I should watch the video again. Maybe she did not say they "planned", but she did say "It was not hard at all. I knew 2-years ago.".......don't quote me on that, but her words were along those lines.

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I just feel that if Prince was getting ready to turn PP into a musem, he would have left very SPECIFIC instructions on the VAULT and other "hidden" rooms that held video tapes/music, which was very "important" and "precious" to him.

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When asked about a "Will", she seemed to know nothing about it. I would think that Prince would have "specifically" told her about those things. Just saying.

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I mentioned AIDS again, because people keep going back to that subject, and I was just trying to prove a point that it would make no sense if he "allegedly" stopped taking his "meds" (AIDS), yet he would take illegal "Fentanyl" pills that ended his life? So, the story about the JW saying that Prince stopped his "meds", and used his "faith" to heal himself (which came from a tabloid), is absurd.

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According to David Hampton the engineer there are no hidden rooms in Paisley he said he built the screening room and just put a sliding door in front of it. Everybody knew about the screening room. How would know about will if one does not exsist your will has to be with an attorney and filled with a court. I don't see anyone bringing up AIDS anymore.

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Reply #294 posted 10/14/16 11:04am

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1Sasha said:

I hate to say this, but maybe Prince did not trust the combination to the vault to his family. I would assume that his sister could walk into PP at will. She could bring people with her. They could go to the vault without notice since the security staff was downsized. Just saying ... Trust issues die hard.

Maybe his family was not in that aspect of his business. In addtion, Alan Leeds said tapes had been stolen before by staff so keeping the combonation to himself was smart. We have only seen trickles of boots over the last few years.

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Reply #295 posted 10/14/16 11:17am

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1Sasha said:

I hate to say this, but maybe Prince did not trust the combination to the vault to his family. I would assume that his sister could walk into PP at will. She could bring people with her. They could go to the vault without notice since the security staff was downsized. Just saying ... Trust issues die hard.

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Good point, Sasha!! Prince did not give the combination to his VAULT, because of trust issues!!

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Not even to his sister, Tyka

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Therefore, it is my belief that Prince was not ready to leave us.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #296 posted 10/14/16 11:19am

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cloveringold85 said:

1Sasha said:

I hate to say this, but maybe Prince did not trust the combination to the vault to his family. I would assume that his sister could walk into PP at will. She could bring people with her. They could go to the vault without notice since the security staff was downsized. Just saying ... Trust issues die hard.

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Good point, Sasha!! Prince did not give the combination to his VAULT, because of trust issues!!

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Not even to his sister, Tyka

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Therefore, it is my belief that Prince was not ready to leave us.

It would not matter if she had the keys to the door of the vault. He did not have a will so you cannot go in and take stuff. It has to go throught the courts.

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Reply #297 posted 10/14/16 11:21am

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laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Perhaps I should watch the video again. Maybe she did not say they "planned", but she did say "It was not hard at all. I knew 2-years ago.".......don't quote me on that, but her words were along those lines.

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I just feel that if Prince was getting ready to turn PP into a musem, he would have left very SPECIFIC instructions on the VAULT and other "hidden" rooms that held video tapes/music, which was very "important" and "precious" to him.

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When asked about a "Will", she seemed to know nothing about it. I would think that Prince would have "specifically" told her about those things. Just saying.

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I mentioned AIDS again, because people keep going back to that subject, and I was just trying to prove a point that it would make no sense if he "allegedly" stopped taking his "meds" (AIDS), yet he would take illegal "Fentanyl" pills that ended his life? So, the story about the JW saying that Prince stopped his "meds", and used his "faith" to heal himself (which came from a tabloid), is absurd.

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According to David Hampton the engineer there are no hidden rooms in Paisley he said he built the screening room and just put a sliding door in front of it. Everybody knew about the screening room. How would know about will if one does not exsist your will has to be with an attorney and filled with a court. I don't see anyone bringing up AIDS anymore.

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Someone here posted something about another "room" that was found in PP recently. If that person happens to read this post, can you please share this info with us again? Thanks!

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I just don't believe that Prince has AIDS or any other terminal illness. The National Enquirer ran the AIDS story again, right after Tyka spoke with ET & Today Show.

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He died from taking "counterfeit Fentanyl" and other deadly drugs.

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"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #298 posted 10/14/16 11:52am

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They had to drill the vault cause Prince didn't expect to die, so he did not hand the keys to no one.

I posted this comment as a reply on another thread, but it makes sense to post it here also:

Tyka's crushed comment could mean that Prince told her he was in too much pain to continue performing and with his addiction to painkillers being a big issue as well he was invisioning not being able to perform in the very near future. That would be enough to crush her, especially if the decision to stop performing was having a big impact on Prince and he himself was feeling crushed. That would explain the Piano and a Microphone, the planning for PP to be turned into a museum, the memories book, the opening up to fans, the more relaxed look (which some also understood as him being less groomed), the lack of a will (he didn't expect to die), and so on.

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Reply #299 posted 10/14/16 11:52am

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cloveringold85 said:



laurarichardson said:




cloveringold85 said:



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Perhaps I should watch the video again. Maybe she did not say they "planned", but she did say "It was not hard at all. I knew 2-years ago.".....don't quote me on that, but her words were along those lines.


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I just feel that if Prince was getting ready to turn PP into a musem, he would have left very SPECIFIC instructions on the VAULT and other "hidden" rooms that held video tapes/music, which was very "important" and "precious" to him.


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When asked about a "Will", she seemed to know nothing about it. I would think that Prince would have "specifically" told her about those things. Just saying.


.


I mentioned AIDS again, because people keep going back to that subject, and I was just trying to prove a point that it would make no sense if he "allegedly" stopped taking his "meds" (AIDS), yet he would take illegal "Fentanyl" pills that ended his life? So, the story about the JW saying that Prince stopped his "meds", and used his "faith" to heal himself (which came from a tabloid), is absurd.


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According to David Hampton the engineer there are no hidden rooms in Paisley he said he built the screening room and just put a sliding door in front of it. Everybody knew about the screening room. How would know about will if one does not exsist your will has to be with an attorney and filled with a court. I don't see anyone bringing up AIDS anymore.



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Someone here posted something about another "room" that was found in PP recently. If that person happens to read this post, can you please share this info with us again? Thanks!


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I just don't believe that Prince has AIDS or any other terminal illness. The National Enquirer ran the AIDS story again, right after Tyka spoke with ET & Today Show.


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He died from taking "counterfeit Fentanyl" and other deadly drugs.


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-- There is a podcast with Dave the engineer who is saying their are no secret rooms. I will find the link and post.
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