muleFunk said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

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I see you.

You see a cat.

MMJas said:

They had to drill the vault cause Prince didn't expect to die, so he did not hand the keys to no one.

I posted this comment as a reply on another thread, but it makes sense to post it here also:

Tyka's crushed comment could mean that Prince told her he was in too much pain to continue performing and with his addiction to painkillers being a big issue as well he was invisioning not being able to perform in the very near future. That would be enough to crush her, especially if the decision to stop performing was having a big impact on Prince and he himself was feeling crushed. That would explain the Piano and a Microphone, the planning for PP to be turned into a museum, the memories book, the opening up to fans, the more relaxed look (which some also understood as him being less groomed), the lack of a will (he didn't expect to die), and so on.

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She was asked how long did she think it would take fans to get over his death. She was not asked about his pain or retirement. Some of you need to go back and watcht that interview again or read the transcript.

Use some

Deductive reasoning is a logical process in which a conclusion is based on the concordance of multiple premises that are generally assumed to be true.

I thought she meant she knew he was going to die - and not 40 years from then. I didn't think it had anything to do with an addiction to painkillers. Was she aware of a two-year timeline? No. But I think she had seen his physical deterioration in the past couple of years, and she knew the time was coming. I don't think she was crushed that he wouldn't be performing. Who really cares about that in such a way? No, she had two years of grief that he was leaving this earth.

1Sasha said:

I thought she meant she knew he was going to die - and not 40 years from then. I didn't think it had anything to do with an addiction to painkillers. Was she aware of a two-year timeline? No. But I think she had seen his physical deterioration in the past couple of years, and she knew the time was coming. I don't think she was crushed that he wouldn't be performing. Who really cares about that in such a way? No, she had two years of grief that he was leaving this earth.

Exactly, I cannot figure out why this is flying over people's fucking heads. Does anyone have a sibling on this board. I do have one and I know when something is wrong and I am sure he confided in her. He may have believed he had more time left as he appeared to be very busy but that does not mean he did not know the end was coming.

1Sasha said:

I thought she meant she knew he was going to die - and not 40 years from then. I didn't think it had anything to do with an addiction to painkillers. Was she aware of a two-year timeline? No. But I think she had seen his physical deterioration in the past couple of years, and she knew the time was coming. I don't think she was crushed that he wouldn't be performing. Who really cares about that in such a way? No, she had two years of grief that he was leaving this earth.

I agree. It's just too strong a word. What has to be in factored in as well, she had time (about five months) to think of a response to that inevitable question. If she'd been aware of those prior 911 ambulance calls to Paisley Park, assuming they were for Prince, that would also coincide with the two year period she was referring to.

Of course, an addiction to painkillers can make someone quite ill, possibly deathly ill over a fairly long period of time. It's not uncommon. Whether she was aware of this being the problem is debatable. But that wouldn't necessarily alter the feeling she knew something was wrong, even if she didn't know exactly what.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

1Sasha said:

I thought she meant she knew he was going to die - and not 40 years from then. I didn't think it had anything to do with an addiction to painkillers. Was she aware of a two-year timeline? No. But I think she had seen his physical deterioration in the past couple of years, and she knew the time was coming. I don't think she was crushed that he wouldn't be performing. Who really cares about that in such a way? No, she had two years of grief that he was leaving this earth.

I agree. It's just too strong a word. What has to be in factored in as well, she had time (about five months) to think of a response to that inevitable question. If she'd been aware of those prior 911 ambulance calls to Paisley Park, assuming they were for Prince, that would also coincide with the two year period she was referring to.

Of course, an addiction to painkillers can make someone quite ill, possibly deathly ill over a fairly long period of time. It's not uncommon. Whether she was aware of this being the problem is debatable. But that wouldn't necessarily alter the feeling she knew something was wrong, even if she didn't know exactly what.

I gave that explanation because frankly there are too many things we don't know and I want to keep an open mind.

I was one of the first persons to say it was strange she used that word "crushed" and that it could mean she knew he was ill/dying. (Thanks for the dig, Laura, I just don't have one track mind, I like to explore all possibilities.) However, I realized that it could also mean she was crushed because his career as a performer was over because of his painkiller addiction and pain issues. If i was the sister of a well known musician and entertainer that absolutely loved music and playing live and had nothing else in his life beside that (meaning no kids, wife, whatever), and he told me the pain was getting to be too much, that his addiction to painkillers was getting out of hand and that he would have to retire from doing what he loved best, I'd be crushed. For him, especially. Or for myself of I also had a piece of the pie. And although he kept playing, he begun doing the piano and a microphone and making all sorts of plans while battling his deamons (addiction). If I had witnessed that addiction taking over him for the last two years I too would probably not be surprised when that phone call came.
Of course, I can also make a strong case for the possibility of Prince being ill. I've defended it before. That's just the thing: we don't know.

laurarichardson said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

And she did not get the code to the vault??? So she knew something but Prince did not?

--- Once again if she had the code what could she do with it. He had no will so she can assume possession of anything until the probate is included. You need to go over to the estate topic and read about how probate works.

I think Purple means that if she had the code there would have been no need to drill open the vault.

Who cares about damage to the physical door of the vault? That's not really the issue when people are discussing the status of "the vault." It's not the physical room and its physical contents; it's Prince's intellectual property and how it will be sold/used -- and by whom -- that are the questions now. Tyka knowing the combo to the lock to the room has nothing to do with that.

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said: --- Once again if she had the code what could she do with it. He had no will so she can assume possession of anything until the probate is included. You need to go over to the estate topic and read about how probate works.

I think Purple means that if she had the code there would have been no need to drill open the vault.

MMJas said:

Dibblekins said:

zenarose said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

MMJas said:

They had to drill the vault cause Prince didn't expect to die, so he did not hand the keys to no one.

I posted this comment as a reply on another thread, but it makes sense to post it here also:

Tyka's crushed comment could mean that Prince told her he was in too much pain to continue performing and with his addiction to painkillers being a big issue as well he was invisioning not being able to perform in the very near future. That would be enough to crush her, especially if the decision to stop performing was having a big impact on Prince and he himself was feeling crushed. That would explain the Piano and a Microphone, the planning for PP to be turned into a museum, the memories book, the opening up to fans, the more relaxed look (which some also understood as him being less groomed), the lack of a will (he didn't expect to die), and so on.

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Agree... If he thought he was not going to be around he would have at least given Tyka the keys/code to his vault.

That was my line of thinking. There was 2 years to get everything in order. I don't think that he

knew his days were numbered.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Found it seems I can't open it but here it is Chaka Khan enters rehab, credits Prince NEW YORK - Chaka Khan and her sister have entered a drug rehabilitation program to battle their addictions to prescription drugs, and Khan ... prince.org/msg/7/433457?jump=305&pg=11

OK - but it doesn't say anything about her going to Switzerland, does it?

Dibblekins said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

When the speculation began I had several people tell me that Prince had been ill and I believe that he was ill, HOWEVER, the fact that he had taken a pill that he thought was Vicodin and it was laced with enough Fentanyl that it could have killed several large men should be concerning.

The assumption is that Prince was maxed out on his pills and he was scoring pills through black market sources. There are reasons for me to seriously doubt that story.

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NotACleverName said:

disch said:

MMJas said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

zenarose said:

I agree with you and have said so from the beginning. P had an appointment with a Holistic Dr. the

morning that he was found. That is why (news reports stated) KJ and MB showed up, to find out why he had missed the appointment. (???) AK also shows up at this time. The Attorney ( Mauzy) stated that AK had come to discuss treatment and explain how it worked. Which to me means intervention, P had no idea. How could P be in 2 places at the same time??? JH's story doesn't gel well either. She stated that P was calm during the time at the hospital. Narcan sends your system into withdrawal and makes you deathly ill. Vomiting, pain, trembling, ect., unless of course you don't have any opiods on your system. I don't think making small talk about movies would be of great interest to someone going through these symptoms. So did P even OD?? There are so many stories from "reputable" sources.... right!! They don't appear reputable to me. Everything we are being fed is officially unofficial. From start to now nothing makes sense. I test everything for truth. There is nothing to test here. The only thing that we have to go on is the Media Release from the ME on cause and manner of death. The report is officially from the ME with her name on it. Heck CCSO kept saying that outside LE was not being called in. While they were saying NO the DEA was already moving in on the case???

Yes to this^^^^^^^^^^ The narcan shot would have left him very ill, instead he said don't believe what the media is saying....I still don't and can't figure out why anyone who was trying to help would turn off his security cameras leaving him vulnerable to an intruder. Andrew had no business being there the Cali Dr K and son story does not come close to adding up.

Hi zenarose. Here's a couple of facts about narcan.... a medical professional knows if a person's 'symptoms' are being caused by an opiate as soon as you administer narcan because it works immediately. yes, it does put them into immediate withdrawl but not to the extent of vomiting, etc. They just immediately wake up (strangely, often sneezing repetitively) and are usually quite agitated because they suddenly feel the initial symptoms of what, in street language, is referred to as 'dope sick'. The problem with narcan is that it's medicinal effect (the reversal of opiate intox) does not last as long as the opiates themselves, therefore, once a patient has been given narcan, they are placed on a cardiac monitor and their vitals are closely monitored. Depending on whether, when the narcan begins to wear off, their vitals remains stable, they just remain on close observation. If their vitals begin to drop again after the narcan begins wearing off and they again slip back into a heavily sedated state, they will probably be given a slow, narcan, IV drip...just enough to keep their respirations, heart rate and blood pressure within normal limits until the effects of the opiates are no longer life threatening. This is just the reality from someone who deals with it all the time. In addition, chronic opiate use notoriously causes debilitating constipation and acid reflux (as well as several other medical problems) which may, very well, affect one's appetite and cause weight loss. Just a little food for thought

https://www.drugs.com/sfx/narcan-injection-side-effects.html

MissTurry said:

MissTurry said:

Hi zenarose. Here's a couple of facts about narcan.... a medical professional knows if a person's 'symptoms' are being caused by an opiate as soon as you administer narcan because it works immediately. yes, it does put them into immediate withdrawl but not to the extent of vomiting, etc. They just immediately wake up (strangely, often sneezing repetitively) and are usually quite agitated because they suddenly feel the initial symptoms of what, in street language, is referred to as 'dope sick'. The problem with narcan is that it's medicinal effect (the reversal of opiate intox) does not last as long as the opiates themselves, therefore, once a patient has been given narcan, they are placed on a cardiac monitor and their vitals are closely monitored. Depending on whether, when the narcan begins to wear off, their vitals remains stable, they just remain on close observation. If their vitals begin to drop again after the narcan begins wearing off and they again slip back into a heavily sedated state, they will probably be given a slow, narcan, IV drip...just enough to keep their respirations, heart rate and blood pressure within normal limits until the effects of the opiates are no longer life threatening. This is just the reality from someone who deals with it all the time. In addition, chronic opiate use notoriously causes debilitating constipation and acid reflux (as well as several other medical problems) which may, very well, affect one's appetite and cause weight loss. Just a little food for thought

^ Good post, very informative.

https://www.justbelievere...dope-sick/

This link should give some idea as to what Prince was going through, and why it was so difficult for him to quit.

"While being dope sick probably doesn’t mean you are going to die, you may feel like it. Unlike alcohol or benzodiazepine withdrawals, detoxing from opioids is not likely to be fatal. However, because the symptoms can be so excruciating, many relapse or contemplate suicide during the process."

fortuneandserendipity said:

MissTurry said:

Hi zenarose. Here's a couple of facts about narcan.... a medical professional knows if a person's 'symptoms' are being caused by an opiate as soon as you administer narcan because it works immediately. yes, it does put them into immediate withdrawl but not to the extent of vomiting, etc. They just immediately wake up (strangely, often sneezing repetitively) and are usually quite agitated because they suddenly feel the initial symptoms of what, in street language, is referred to as 'dope sick'. The problem with narcan is that it's medicinal effect (the reversal of opiate intox) does not last as long as the opiates themselves, therefore, once a patient has been given narcan, they are placed on a cardiac monitor and their vitals are closely monitored. Depending on whether, when the narcan begins to wear off, their vitals remains stable, they just remain on close observation. If their vitals begin to drop again after the narcan begins wearing off and they again slip back into a heavily sedated state, they will probably be given a slow, narcan, IV drip...just enough to keep their respirations, heart rate and blood pressure within normal limits until the effects of the opiates are no longer life threatening. This is just the reality from someone who deals with it all the time. In addition, chronic opiate use notoriously causes debilitating constipation and acid reflux (as well as several other medical problems) which may, very well, affect one's appetite and cause weight loss. Just a little food for thought

^ Good post, very informative.

https://www.justbelievere...dope-sick/

This link should give some idea as to what Prince was going through, and why it was so difficult for him to quit.

"While being dope sick probably doesn’t mean you are going to die, you may feel like it. Unlike alcohol or benzodiazepine withdrawals, detoxing from opioids is not likely to be fatal. However, because the symptoms can be so excruciating, many relapse or contemplate suicide during the process."

https://www.drugs.com/sfx/narcan-injection-side-effects.html

zenarose said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

^ Good post, very informative.

https://www.justbelievere...dope-sick/

This link should give some idea as to what Prince was going through, and why it was so difficult for him to quit.

"While being dope sick probably doesn’t mean you are going to die, you may feel like it. Unlike alcohol or benzodiazepine withdrawals, detoxing from opioids is not likely to be fatal. However, because the symptoms can be so excruciating, many relapse or contemplate suicide during the process."

https://www.drugs.com/sfx/narcan-injection-side-effects.html

http://www.narcan.com/

PurpleDiamonds1 said: zenarose said: I agree with you and have said so from the beginning. P had an appointment with a Holistic Dr. the morning that he was found. That is why (news reports stated) KJ and MB showed up, to find out why he had missed the appointment. (???) AK also shows up at this time. The Attorney ( Mauzy) stated that AK had come to discuss treatment and explain how it worked. Which to me means intervention, P had no idea. How could P be in 2 places at the same time??? JH's story doesn't gel well either. She stated that P was calm during the time at the hospital. Narcan sends your system into withdrawal and makes you deathly ill. Vomiting, pain, trembling, ect., unless of course you don't have any opiods on your system. I don't think making small talk about movies would be of great interest to someone going through these symptoms. So did P even OD?? There are so many stories from "reputable" sources.... right!! They don't appear reputable to me. Everything we are being fed is officially unofficial. From start to now nothing makes sense. I test everything for truth. There is nothing to test here. The only thing that we have to go on is the Media Release from the ME on cause and manner of death. The report is officially from the ME with her name on it. Heck CCSO kept saying that outside LE was not being called in. While they were saying NO the DEA was already moving in on the case??? Yes to this^^^^^^^^^^ The narcan shot would have left him very ill, instead he said don't believe what the media is saying....I still don't and can't figure out why anyone who was trying to help would turn off his security cameras leaving him vulnerable to an intruder. Andrew had no business being there the Cali Dr K and son story does not come close to adding up.

So much misassumption and nonsense, I don't know where to start. I'll just say, stop spreading rubbish based on unsubstantiated rumor.

A lot of eye witness accounts of the washington sniper reported observing a white van or truck as the vehicle used. Get a clue, because that's how easily incidents can be misobserved.