Leopard52 said:

I thought Manuela brought something to the court that her lawyers believed would pertain to the estate settlement. I don't care about the divorce settlement monies. I want to know what she had that caused her to offer her papers to the court! What happened to that info?? Will we ever know what that was??

huh?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Manuela posted from the MN-St Paul Airport yesterday https://www.instagram.com...testolini

See this video:

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https://r6---sn-mn4vg5aa-...&pl=37

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Will the estate continue such deeds?

Xavier Powell was disallowed.

Backgrounds?

I'm not interested in M & P's financial dealings; yes, there is going to be a lot of money involved, I'm sure - nothing newsworthy there. ALL I wanted to know is whether there might be some slight indication as to P's state of health, some vague explanation as to why he left us so soon...

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Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place but all I see is that same list of public filings as was there before..?

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I apologise to all of those who see this as somehow immoral; I don't consider myself a bad person - I'm just one of many trying - pathetically, no doubt - to piece together a puzzle that seems to have no logic to it...
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Dibblekins said:

I'm not interested in M & P's financial dealings; yes, there is going to be a lot of money involved, I'm sure - nothing newsworthy there. ALL I wanted to know is whether there might be some slight indication as to P's state of health, some vague explanation as to why he left us so soon...

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Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place but all I see is that same list of public filings as was there before..?

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I apologise to all of those who see this as somehow immoral; I don't consider myself a bad person - I'm just one of many trying - pathetically, no doubt - to piece together a puzzle that seems to have no logic to it...
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No worries the Star Tribune (or Star Scumbags) wanted the information and if they think that they can get some clicks off if and make money they will publish everything. I think we putting much know that he had joint problems and if he was dependent on these pills he would have been no different than millions of other people.

A lot has come out in the last six months and I do not see Prince being ripped in the news as some out of control dope addict which, I believed was going to happen. I believe the evidence is just not there and that the Star thought that this divorce information was going to useful for some smear story. I think since Minnesota is no-fault divorce states were you do not have to state any reason for the divorce we will see nothing.

I think it was sealed for financial reasons. Prince was a private person and I do not think he wanted the world to know his net worth or what he had to pay her in the divorce. It might have been embarrassing to him getting a divorce in the first place. I think M2 does not want her business out in the street and you never know she might have been the bad one in the marriage. After all Dr. Funk said Prince left her and stopped speaking to her. Even years later M2 communicated with Prince thought Dr. Funk. So something happened between those two that made him stop dealing with her and walk off. I am sure whatever it was it must have been hurtful and embarrassing.

Leopard52 said:

I thought Manuela brought something to the court that her lawyers believed would pertain to the estate settlement. I don't care about the divorce settlement monies. I want to know what she had that caused her to offer her papers to the court! What happened to that info?? Will we ever know what that was??

The divorce attorneys brought something to court. We don't know what that was about.

laurarichardson said:

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No worries the Star Tribune (or Star Scumbags) wanted the information and if they think that they can get some clicks off if and make money they will publish everything. I think we putting much know that he had joint problems and if he was dependent on these pills he would have been no different than millions of other people.

A lot has come out in the last six months and I do not see Prince being ripped in the news as some out of control dope addict which, I believed was going to happen. I believe the evidence is just not there and that the Star thought that this divorce information was going to useful for some smear story. I think since Minnesota is no-fault divorce states were you do not have to state any reason for the divorce we will see nothing.

I think it was sealed for financial reasons. Prince was a private person and I do not think he wanted the world to know his net worth or what he had to pay her in the divorce. It might have been embarrassing to him getting a divorce in the first place. I think M2 does not want her business out in the street and you never know she might have been the bad one in the marriage. After all Dr. Funk said Prince left her and stopped speaking to her. Even years later M2 communicated with Prince thought Dr. Funk. So something happened between those two that made him stop dealing with her and walk off. I am sure whatever it was it must have been hurtful and embarrassing.

Thanks, Laura - so, basically, although they've been unsealed, the information contained within them isn't open to members of the public - yet - is that right?

laurarichardson said:

nelcp777 said:

There was a condemnation process in 2008, link:

http://pa.courts.state.mn.us/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=1612115818

It has Prince and Manuela listed as respondents. Anyone know what this is about?

I know it is off topic, but it caught my eye.

I looked up two of the respondents and they are property owners in Channahsen making me think these folks may have been renters are involved with some property development with Prince. He had commercial properties as well as residential and you can see from the court papers mortage companies are involved.

Thanks for the information.

laurarichardson said:

Leopard52 said:

I thought Manuela brought something to the court that her lawyers believed would pertain to the estate settlement. I don't care about the divorce settlement monies. I want to know what she had that caused her to offer her papers to the court! What happened to that info?? Will we ever know what that was??

The divorce attorneys brought something to court. We don't know what that was about.

What do you mean they brought something to Court????

Mumio said:

Manuela posted from the MN-St Paul Airport yesterday https://www.instagram.com...testolini

Thanks Mumio!

This confirms there was a hearing in the Divorce case yesterday.

As I indicated in an earlier response, there were several Motions filed in the Divorce case and it appears Ex#2 showed up yesterday at Court for the hearing.

Dibblekins said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

What do you mean they brought something to Court????

-- Remember the divorce attorneys came to court with a work product and they needed to get the court's permission to disclose due to attorney client privalage. I do not remember reading anything else about the work product since those news reports.

It was not ex#2 attorneys but P's prior attorneys that sought a waiver from the Estate for attorney/client privilege work product.

We may never know what information these attorneys had in their possession.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

The divorce attorneys brought something to court. We don't know what that was about.

What do you mean they brought something to Court????

They brought documents that were in their pocession. They thought these documents were relavent to the estate proceeding. I thought that was what the Star Tribune was trying to get released to the public. But from what I see here it's just the divorce paperwork that the Star wants. Maybe it's the same thing... I'm confused pretty much about any Prince now!

laurarichardson said:

Dibblekins said:

Thanks, Laura - so, basically, although they've been unsealed, the information contained within them isn't open to members of the public - yet - is that right?

-- I don't know what is going on the Star Truibune wanted it made public so I think we the public would get to see it but in no-fault state you don't have to explain why you are getting a divorce do there could be no information and I believe M2 was requested that some information be redacted. We could see divorce info that is all blacked out.

So I guess we're waiting for the ST to tell us what, if anything, was in there...

Leopard52 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

What do you mean they brought something to Court????

They brought documents that were in their pocession. They thought these documents were relavent to the estate proceeding. I thought that was what the Star Tribune was trying to get released to the public. But from what I see here it's just the divorce paperwork that the Star wants. Maybe it's the same thing... I'm confused pretty much about any Prince now!

Leopard its confusing because there are two different cases going on with two different judges.

It was P's prior attorneys that requested an attorney/client privilege waiver from Bremer in the Estate case. It was indicated they had information relative to the determination of heirs and other matters. We may never know what information was given to Bremer because it was confidential between P and his attorneys.

The Star Tribune wants the divorce records. The Judge in the Family Law Court ruled the divorce records would be unsealed. As of this date they have not been unsealed and it appears there was a hearing yesterday in Family Law Court in regard to the unsealing of the records.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Leopard52 said:

They brought documents that were in their pocession. They thought these documents were relavent to the estate proceeding. I thought that was what the Star Tribune was trying to get released to the public. But from what I see here it's just the divorce paperwork that the Star wants. Maybe it's the same thing... I'm confused pretty much about any Prince now!

Leopard its confusing because there are two different cases going on with two different judges.

It was P's prior attorneys that requested an attorney/client privilege waiver from Bremer in the Estate case. It was indicated they had information relative to the determination of heirs and other matters. We may never know what information was given to Bremer because it was confidential between P and his attorneys.

The Star Tribune wants the divorce records. The Judge in the Family Law Court ruled the divorce records would be unsealed. As of this date they have not been unsealed and it appears there was a hearing yesterday in Family Law Court in regard to the unsealing of the records.

THANK YOU, as always, for the clarification, ISLIJAG.

Incidentally, writing your name in acronym form is almost as tricky as following this case (cases)!

I made an attempt to summarize the claims and heir claims from the filed documents. The date corresponds to the initial file in the court records, I also tried to update the status of these from the court documents. In addition, I summed the claims up to reduce reading. Most of these will stand out from prior discusions. If I missed anything, please correct me.

Claims

05/06/16 Maleika Mosley – Hostage crisis ???, claim disallowed

04/27/16 Rodney Dixon - $1 ownership of rights, claim disallowed, and judgement ruled against

05/11/16 Kimberly Potts - $500,000 for Musicology creation, claim disallowed

05/11/16 R. Kerr – Recording Cost, post production, equipment rental, $46,582.29, and claim disallowed

06/08/16 Eight Day Sound Systems, Catherine Bellante - $256,010.89, services for rehearsals and shows at PP form November 13, 2014 thru May 16, 2015.

09/16/16 Xavier Powell – TMBGITW claim of helping Kerry Gordon being employed with PP, claim disallowed

07/20/16 Maurice Lee Soledad – handshake agreement, buried remains in Indian Reservation

07/22/16 James Brandon – copyright infringement case in Florida district

08/26/16 Majorie Frazier – Spiritual wife, claim disallowed

09/07/16 Mixed Blood Theater – Cancellation of anniversary gala, $348,258, and claim disallowed

09/14/16 Ricky Barron/Baron Event Planning - $50,000 in losses due to cancelled event from SA, claim disallowed

09/16/16 Karie Clay – claimed disallowed, no details known

10/19/19 Sharon Hughes – half penny for each sale of Ice Cream Castles, claim disallowed

11/07/16 Roc Nation – Tidal claim for various matter in contractual agreement

11/08/16 Lily Alphosis – Beautiful Ones cd/video claim, claim disallowed

Potential Heir Claims

5/09/16 Carlin Q Williams – son, inmate

05/13/16 Brianna &VN Nelson - Duane’s offspring, excluded as an heir

06/03/16 Regina Sorenson – Heir claim, Prince was trustee for Regina, removed from home with Prince by CPS, half sibling of Prince, excluded as an heir

06/06/16 Norman Yates Carthens – adopted son claim, $7,000,000

06/10/16 Dr. Roskco A Motes - half-brother of Prince via Haywood, excluded as an heir

06/14/16 April Lashaun Seward – Virginia Nelson sibling, excluded as an heir

06/14/16 Martha Samuels – Virginia Nelson sibling, excluded as an heir

06/14/16 James Austin Womack - Virginia Nelson sibling, excluded as an heir

06/14/16 Priscilla Williams - Virginia Nelson sibling, excluded as an heir

06/14/16 Lorraine Huddleston - Virginia Nelson sibling, excluded as an heir

06/14/16 Dana Samuels Nettles - Virginia Nelson sibling, excluded as an heir

06/14/16 Jonette M Carter - Virginia Nelson sibling, excluded as an heir

06/14/16 Michael Samuels - Virginia Nelson sibling, excluded as an heir

06/14/16 Nicole White – DNA request, Prince child, excluded as an heir

06/14/16 Taz Walker – Daughter of Prince

06/17/16 Venita Jackson-Leverette – half sibling of Prince, excluded as an heir

06/21/16 Michael John Darling/James Oberstar – claim to be an heir in will, excluded as an heir

07/04/16 Claire Boyd/Nelson – secret wife of Prince in 2006, excluded as an heir

07/20/16 Alfred Jackson – Mattie’s son from prior marriage, excluded as an heir

07/20/16 Loyal Jimmy Gresham III – half sibling of Prince via different father, excluded as an heir

07/20/16 Orrine Gresham - half sibling of Prince via different father, excluded as an heir

07/20/16 Darcell Gresham Johnston - half sibling of Prince via different father, excluded as an heir

07/20/16 Loya Janel Wilson - half sibling of Prince via different father, excluded as an heir

07/20/16 Mia M Stamper Dragojevich – cannot read the documents, child claim, excluded as an heir

06/24/16 Elaine Whigham Williams – sealed

06/24/16 Estabon Bennermon – son of Prince, sealed

09/16/16 Regina Sorenson – half sibling, alleged prior DNA test done in 2000, excluded as an heir

09/26/16 Corey Simmons – Duane’s offspring, nephew of Prince, judgement against pending till 11/25/16 for additional primie facie evidence

Miscellaneous Heir Claims

Child 1 means of adoption, excluded as an heir

Child 2 direct child, excluded as an heir

Child 3 means of adoption, excluded as an heir

Child 4 direct child, excluded as an heir

Child 5 direct child, excluded as an heir

Potential Heirs

Tyka Nelson – sibling

Omarr Baker – half sibling

John Nelson – half sibling

Norrine Nelson – half sibling

Sharon Nelson – half sibling

Ncelp - amazing work.

I have to say, the 'Indian Reservation' bit did make me chuckle with its incongruity, lol!

Dibblekins said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Leopard its confusing because there are two different cases going on with two different judges.

It was P's prior attorneys that requested an attorney/client privilege waiver from Bremer in the Estate case. It was indicated they had information relative to the determination of heirs and other matters. We may never know what information was given to Bremer because it was confidential between P and his attorneys.

The Star Tribune wants the divorce records. The Judge in the Family Law Court ruled the divorce records would be unsealed. As of this date they have not been unsealed and it appears there was a hearing yesterday in Family Law Court in regard to the unsealing of the records.

THANK YOU, as always, for the clarification, ISLIJAG.

Incidentally, writing your name in acronym form is almost as tricky as following this case (cases)!

Yes, THANK YOU!! I was waiting for something that will probably never happen. Lol Oh well, I'm getting used to waiting, waiting, waiting.

nelcp777 said:

I made an attempt to summarize the claims and heir claims from the filed documents. The date corresponds to the initial file in the court records, I also tried to update the status of these from the court documents. In addition, I summed the claims up to reduce reading. Most of these will stand out from prior discusions. If I missed anything, please correct me.

Claims

05/06/16 Maleika Mosley – Hostage crisis ???, claim disallowed

04/27/16 Rodney Dixon - $1 ownership of rights, claim disallowed, and judgement ruled against

05/11/16 Kimberly Potts - $500,000 for Musicology creation, claim disallowed

05/11/16 R. Kerr – Recording Cost, post production, equipment rental, $46,582.29, and claim disallowed

06/08/16 Eight Day Sound Systems, Catherine Bellante - $256,010.89, services for rehearsals and shows at PP form November 13, 2014 thru May 16, 2015.

09/16/16 Xavier Powell – TMBGITW claim of helping Kerry Gordon being employed with PP, claim disallowed

07/20/16 Maurice Lee Soledad – handshake agreement, buried remains in Indian Reservation

07/22/16 James Brandon – copyright infringement case in Florida district

08/26/16 Majorie Frazier – Spiritual wife, claim disallowed

09/07/16 Mixed Blood Theater – Cancellation of anniversary gala, $348,258, and claim disallowed

09/14/16 Ricky Barron/Baron Event Planning - $50,000 in losses due to cancelled event from SA, claim disallowed

09/16/16 Karie Clay – claimed disallowed, no details known

10/19/19 Sharon Hughes – half penny for each sale of Ice Cream Castles, claim disallowed

11/07/16 Roc Nation – Tidal claim for various matter in contractual agreement

11/08/16 Lily Alphosis – Beautiful Ones cd/video claim, claim disallowed

Potential Heir Claims

5/09/16 Carlin Q Williams – son, inmate

05/13/16 Brianna &VN Nelson - Duane’s offspring, excluded as an heir

06/03/16 Regina Sorenson – Heir claim, Prince was trustee for Regina, removed from home with Prince by CPS, half sibling of Prince, excluded as an heir

06/06/16 Norman Yates Carthens – adopted son claim, $7,000,000

06/10/16 Dr. Roskco A Motes - half-brother of Prince via Haywood, excluded as an heir

06/14/16 April Lashaun Seward – Virginia Nelson sibling, excluded as an heir

06/14/16 Martha Samuels – Virginia Nelson sibling, excluded as an heir

06/14/16 James Austin Womack - Virginia Nelson sibling, excluded as an heir

06/14/16 Priscilla Williams - Virginia Nelson sibling, excluded as an heir

06/14/16 Lorraine Huddleston - Virginia Nelson sibling, excluded as an heir

06/14/16 Dana Samuels Nettles - Virginia Nelson sibling, excluded as an heir

06/14/16 Jonette M Carter - Virginia Nelson sibling, excluded as an heir

06/14/16 Michael Samuels - Virginia Nelson sibling, excluded as an heir

06/14/16 Nicole White – DNA request, Prince child, excluded as an heir

06/14/16 Taz Walker – Daughter of Prince

06/17/16 Venita Jackson-Leverette – half sibling of Prince, excluded as an heir

06/21/16 Michael John Darling/James Oberstar – claim to be an heir in will, excluded as an heir

07/04/16 Claire Boyd/Nelson – secret wife of Prince in 2006, excluded as an heir

07/20/16 Alfred Jackson – Mattie’s son from prior marriage, excluded as an heir

07/20/16 Loyal Jimmy Gresham III – half sibling of Prince via different father, excluded as an heir

07/20/16 Orrine Gresham - half sibling of Prince via different father, excluded as an heir

07/20/16 Darcell Gresham Johnston - half sibling of Prince via different father, excluded as an heir

07/20/16 Loya Janel Wilson - half sibling of Prince via different father, excluded as an heir

07/20/16 Mia M Stamper Dragojevich – cannot read the documents, child claim, excluded as an heir

06/24/16 Elaine Whigham Williams – sealed

06/24/16 Estabon Bennermon – son of Prince, sealed

09/16/16 Regina Sorenson – half sibling, alleged prior DNA test done in 2000, excluded as an heir

09/26/16 Corey Simmons – Duane’s offspring, nephew of Prince, judgement against pending till 11/25/16 for additional primie facie evidence

Miscellaneous Heir Claims

Child 1 means of adoption, excluded as an heir

Child 2 direct child, excluded as an heir

Child 3 means of adoption, excluded as an heir

Child 4 direct child, excluded as an heir

Child 5 direct child, excluded as an heir

Potential Heirs

Tyka Nelson – sibling

Omarr Baker – half sibling

John Nelson – half sibling

Norrine Nelson – half sibling

Sharon Nelson – half sibling

Thanks this was helpful. I had no idea Albert was not considered an heir. I wonder who child he is? How sad? I thought we had 7 children we show 5 excluded 1 is Estabon and the other is Elaine Whigham Williams – which is sealed. So we have one person who claims to be a child and her paperwork is sealed. Interesting.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

NotACleverName said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I have been practicing for 30 years and I have never been involved in divorce case that was sealed. Financial wealth is not a compelling enough reason for a Judge to seal a divorce case.

ISLIJAG.....Wanted to thank you for your input and explanations as they relate to these court docs. Your knowledge about court processes and procedures has gone a long way with regard to my understanding of "what in the world does that mean?"! As someone who has absolutely zero expertise in the field of law, I am going to agree w/your statement I have bolded. I would concur that financial wealth is hardly captivating enough to compel MT to expend so much energy/time/money fighting the disclosure of these docs. A certain poster has stated quite often previously, Google is your friend and anyone can Google a celebs net worth (yes, that info could have been discovered via the Internet in 2006). Additionally, anyone can view an exchange of a large sum of money in 2010(?) between MT and PRN in the court records. Speculation, of course, on my part. I have my thoughts about what could be in those docs, as I'm sure we all do, but it is purely an opinion and not fact so no need to dip my toe in those waters! Knowing MN is a no-fault state doesn't necessarily preclude the omission of sensitive information in the divorce docs. Again, this is simply an opinion.

What reason do you legal eagles think the judge would have sealed the documents? Is it not possible that the documents were sealed because the parties involved requested that they be sealed and the judge granted their request? Is that not possible. I never said that financial information was the only reason did I?

You can look up anyone’s networth on the net but it does not make it accurate. Your worth can change day to day based on how your investments are doing in the market. What is your real estate worth? How are your businesses doing? We have no idea what P’s network was when he died because we do not have knowledge of all his assets.

The only exchange of money I saw in their court docs was the $250k that was paid to M2 back in 2010.

That does not tell us very much does it considering I am sure Prince was worth more that 250k at that time.

I never said for certain that is going to nothing in the docs because of the no-fault divorce state situation. There is a possibility that not much is going to be there for juicy gossip.

I actually think that there is stuff in that divorce about M2 and I am not going to go into the gossip that is out about her but she may be the one with something to worry about as far as her reputation is concerned.

[Edited 11/15/16 9:57am]

When was Alfred excluded?

wonder505 said:

When was Alfred excluded?

Back in July Also this Elaine Whigham Williams just finished running for President. She is very colorful.

Also wanted to note, the Powell claim has been ruled against by the Judge, not just disallowed by the SA (Special Administrator). Sorry, I saw that after I made the list.

Alfred was ruled out in July, the same document as the Children 1-5. Child 1 can make another claim if additional evidence on the adoption is presented.

In regards to DNA, I never saw in the posted files anything for Carlin Q to exclude him, though there were reports on the web that his DNA was not a match, plus there was discussion here in the thread.

I will try to keep my file updated as the process goes. It took a while to read thru everything and make sure I didn't miss anything.

Just to be clear, the claim disallowance is by the SA, not the judge. I am sure that is a major legal disparity.

Once the Judge makes a ruling, I will update things, and re-post. Any errors or misssed claims/heirs, feel free to correct me.

Dibblekins said:

Ncelp - amazing work.

I have to say, the 'Indian Reservation' bit did make me chuckle with its incongruity, lol!

Thanks, gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "off the reservation".