tmo1965 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I respectfully disagree.

HLA testing was used prior to DNA testing.

It was not a test for blood typing but for genetic testing.

I dont even think we were using DNA testing in the 90's because it was too expensive.

I would have to google HLA if you want more information because we havent used HLA testing for years and I forget the specifics.

[Edited 11/2/16 14:41pm]

This is a good simple explanation of paternity testing over the years: http://scienceline.org/20...test-work/

All I can tell you is that we used some sort of testing prior to DNA being used that would come back with a percentage of probability of paternity. Most of the time they would come back as 99.9% probability.

tmo1965 said:

I dont understand why the Judge is clearly bending over backward to please CarlinQ!

He missed the deadline date for the second testing.

Move on lil doggie.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I dont understand why the Judge is clearly bending over backward to please CarlinQ!

He missed the deadline date for the second testing.

Move on lil doggie.

That blew my mind too! His deadline was 9/21 and it is wwwaaaaayyyy past 9/21.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I dont understand why the Judge is clearly bending over backward to please CarlinQ!

He missed the deadline date for the second testing.

Move on lil doggie.

I'm also fascinated by this. Instead of shutting him down given he didnt meet the deadline for testing at the secondary DNA testing facilty, they opened up a big door saying if you are contesting the protocol used for obtaining and/or testing P's DNA samples, then we'll ask the special administrator to prove they did it right! Which means according to the judge's order, they'll have to call on witnesses from the Medical Examiner and the DNA testing facility to prove themselves? I really hope we're not going into all this. Seems like a strange over reaction from judge, does Carlin really have this much status or any glimmer of a case? But then obviously we only have this to go by, we don't know what Carlin's lawyers came to the judge with or what else might be going on behind the scenes.. Weird.

This is so ridculous. I hope they are making Carlin pay for the test. Since when is DNA testing faulty? I will not go into how this guy looks nothing like Prince and I bet Andre or anyone of his family could vouch for his whereabouts right when he got out of school. It is disturbing how the courts are bending over backwards for people who are mental or just running a con.

lunabelle said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I dont understand why the Judge is clearly bending over backward to please CarlinQ!

He missed the deadline date for the second testing.

Move on lil doggie.

I'm also fascinated by this. Instead of shutting him down given he didnt meet the deadline for testing at the secondary DNA testing facilty, they opened up a big door saying if you are contesting the protocol used for obtaining and/or testing P's DNA samples, then we'll ask the special administrator to prove they did it right! Which means according to the judge's order, they'll have to call on witnesses from the Medical Examiner and the DNA testing facility to prove themselves? I really hope we're not going into all this. Seems like a strange over reaction from judge, does Carlin really have this much status or any glimmer of a case? But then obviously we only have this to go by, we don't know what Carlin's lawyers came to the judge with or what else might be going on behind the scenes.. Weird.

laurarichardson said:

tmo1965 said:

You have to remember that Corey was born in 1977. DNA testing for paternity was not readily available to the genreal public until sometime in the mid 90's. Corey was over 18 by then, and I believe that Duane had a substance abuse problem, so Corey's mom probably did not bother with going after him for child support.

I think the judge will rule that he can take a dna test, which I think is the best way to go. If he is not blood related, he can cut his losses and move on with his life. I think there's very little chance of winning an appeal, if they are not blood related.

Btw, if they are not related, they should be gone. I think that Corey relizes this and is choosing to settle the matter once and for all.

[Edited 11/2/16 13:05pm]

-- We did not have DNA testing back then but test were used to determine paternity and the courts found them to be valid. His mom could have hauled Duane down to court drugs or no drugs. Duane was not above the law and his brother was not going to let him go to jail for non- support. She either knew he was not Duane's son or a fool. The whole thing is shady.

But what did those tests cost? A lot of the time people just don't have the money. Until the 1980's no one really went after men for child support. Too many men got off scott free when it came to taking care of their children. That's why the child support laws were created in the 1st place.

I can't read anything into Corey's mother not going after Duane for child support. Until Duane became Prince's body guard, what exactly was he doing? I personally know people who were awarded less than $100 / mo in child support because their children's father was a total bum. If you know that you won't get much or that the parent just won't pay, it is not worth the cost and hassle for a lot of people.

tmo1965 said:

laurarichardson said:

tmo1965 said: -- We did not have DNA testing back then but test were used to determine paternity and the courts found them to be valid. His mom could have hauled Duane down to court drugs or no drugs. Duane was not above the law and his brother was not going to let him go to jail for non- support. She either knew he was not Duane's son or a fool. The whole thing is shady.

But what did those tests cost? A lot of the time people just don't have the money. Until the 1980's no one really went after men for child support. Too many men got off scott free when it came to taking care of their children. That's why the child support laws were created in the 1st place.

I can't read anything into Corey's mother not going after Duane for child support. Until Duane became Prince's body guard, what exactly was he doing? I personally know people who were awarded less than $100 / mo in child support because their children's father was a total bum. If you know that you won't get much or that the parent just won't pay, it is not worth the cost and hassle for a lot of people.

DNA testing is only around $100-$150. The biggest expense will the lab getting it from a guy in prison.

tmo1965 said:

laurarichardson said:

tmo1965 said: -- We did not have DNA testing back then but test were used to determine paternity and the courts found them to be valid. His mom could have hauled Duane down to court drugs or no drugs. Duane was not above the law and his brother was not going to let him go to jail for non- support. She either knew he was not Duane's son or a fool. The whole thing is shady.

But what did those tests cost? A lot of the time people just don't have the money. Until the 1980's no one really went after men for child support. Too many men got off scott free when it came to taking care of their children. That's why the child support laws were created in the 1st place.

I can't read anything into Corey's mother not going after Duane for child support. Until Duane became Prince's body guard, what exactly was he doing? I personally know people who were awarded less than $100 / mo in child support because their children's father was a total bum. If you know that you won't get much or that the parent just won't pay, it is not worth the cost and hassle for a lot of people.

It is usually done by a court order. The court does not care if you don't have the money. The public does not have the money to take care of someone's child. I know in my own family dudes back in the day were taken to court and order to pay support ( back in the 60s and 70s) the locking up part usually meant you only were in jail a short time but guys were ordered to pay and did go to jail.

Duane Nelson was working for his brother weatlhy rock star he most certainly could have afforded the test and the support this woman knew who he was working for and related to. Something is shady about Corey.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Vee0319 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I dont understand why the Judge is clearly bending over backward to please CarlinQ!

He missed the deadline date for the second testing.

Move on lil doggie.

I agree with you. But something I don't understand is, why Patrick Cousins who has already been accused of some awful things since Prince has passed, would still be involved. Especially knowing there is no way for him to get paid. Cousins and Shoemaker know that Carlin s not Prince's son but for some reason they want to still get documentation on the case. There is something wonky about it. Additionally that Andrew Stoltzman chased Brianna down once he heard Prince passed. I think he thought about all the money he could make and once he realized Duane's father was not John Nelson but the Griswold man, he had to think of another way so he could get paid. Thus the equitable adoption. Now we have Corey in the mix only according to his mother's affidavit, Duane was never around, so how is Corey going to be able to prove anything?! Personally I feel these attorneys' need to just chock this up to a loss and move on. Tyka's attorneys come from a highly regarded law firm and I think they will fight hard to keep these leaches from getting what Prince left for his family. I just cannot believe the audacity of these people.

Cousins still has his law license so there is nothing preventing him from representing CarlinQ.

I think he gives attorneys a bad name. He disgusts me.

As for Stoltzman, he was given P's awards that Brianna had possession of as collateral. So he will be able to sell those for money.

Holey Moley Guacamole

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Vee0319 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Cousins still has his law license so there is nothing preventing him from representing CarlinQ.

I think he gives attorneys a bad name. He disgusts me.

As for Stoltzman, he was given P's awards that Brianna had possession of as collateral. So he will be able to sell those for money.

Holey Moley Guacamole

I cannot help but wonder what Cousin's has up his sleeve. Dragging out this second DNA test. He knows good and well that Carlin is not Prince's son. The one child claimI thought possible was the woman from Connecticut. Prince has a song called Baby on his For You album and I thought he could be singing about getting a high school sweetheart pregnant. It'll be nice when all this is over with and we all come on here to talk about his New music and videos from the vault and great books we have read.

What woman from CT?

Im from Ohio and I am up extra late because of the World Series.

So I am also dipping in the wine.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

tmo1965 said:

You have to remember that Corey was born in 1977. DNA testing for paternity was not readily available to the genreal public until sometime in the mid 90's. Corey was over 18 by then, and I believe that Duane had a substance abuse problem, so Corey's mom probably did not bother with going after him for child support.

I think the judge will rule that he can take a dna test, which I think is the best way to go. If he is not blood related, he can cut his losses and move on with his life. I think there's very little chance of winning an appeal, if they are not blood related.

Btw, if they are not related, they should be gone. I think that Corey relizes this and is choosing to settle the matter once and for all.

[Edited 11/2/16 13:05pm]

-- We did not have DNA testing back then but test were used to determine paternity and the courts found them to be valid. His mom could have hauled Duane down to court drugs or no drugs. Duane was not above the law and his brother was not going to let him go to jail for non- support. She either knew he was not Duane's son or a fool. The whole thing is shady.

This. If anyone had a connection to Prince, they would have been in contact. If there were early children of Prince's, the older half sibs would know. It is in their interest to say nothing now, but I haven't read where any of them objected to anyone's testing. If Corey is related, it will be to Duane who is not related to Prince--so the test won't prove Duane is his father anyway because they are comparing it to Prince. Should there be a link to Prince, wouldn't it then be a question of Prince as his father? Or am I misunderstanding?

deerpath said:

laurarichardson said:

tmo1965 said: -- We did not have DNA testing back then but test were used to determine paternity and the courts found them to be valid. His mom could have hauled Duane down to court drugs or no drugs. Duane was not above the law and his brother was not going to let him go to jail for non- support. She either knew he was not Duane's son or a fool. The whole thing is shady.

This. If anyone had a connection to Prince, they would have been in contact. If there were early children of Prince's, the older half sibs would know. It is in their interest to say nothing now, but I haven't read where any of them objected to anyone's testing. If Corey is related, it will be to Duane who is not related to Prince--so the test won't prove Duane is his father anyway because they are comparing it to Prince. Should there be a link to Prince, wouldn't it then be a question of Prince as his father? Or am I misunderstanding?

It is interesting because Corey never spent time around Prince. Brianna is saying she had a Uncle like relationship with Prince and should be an heir. How would Corey show he had any relationship to Prince when he none with Duane.

deerpath said:

laurarichardson said:

tmo1965 said: -- We did not have DNA testing back then but test were used to determine paternity and the courts found them to be valid. His mom could have hauled Duane down to court drugs or no drugs. Duane was not above the law and his brother was not going to let him go to jail for non- support. She either knew he was not Duane's son or a fool. The whole thing is shady.

This. If anyone had a connection to Prince, they would have been in contact. If there were early children of Prince's, the older half sibs would know. It is in their interest to say nothing now, but I haven't read where any of them objected to anyone's testing. If Corey is related, it will be to Duane who is not related to Prince--so the test won't prove Duane is his father anyway because they are comparing it to Prince. Should there be a link to Prince, wouldn't it then be a question of Prince as his father? Or am I misunderstanding?

The sibs don't object to testing beause they know none of these people are P's kids. We know Tyka gave the court two names so I think the sibs know are suspect something about those two and they could be taken care of by a trust but I don't think the family is worried about the rest of these people.

Vee0319 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I dont understand why the Judge is clearly bending over backward to please CarlinQ!

He missed the deadline date for the second testing.

Move on lil doggie.

I agree with you. But something I don't understand is, why Patrick Cousins who has already been accused of some awful things since Prince has passed, would still be involved. Especially knowing there is no way for him to get paid. Cousins and Shoemaker know that Carlin s not Prince's son but for some reason they want to still get documentation on the case. There is something wonky about it. Additionally that Andrew Stoltzman chased Brianna down once he heard Prince passed. I think he thought about all the money he could make and once he realized Duane's father was not John Nelson but the Griswold man, he had to think of another way so he could get paid. Thus the equitable adoption. Now we have Corey in the mix only according to his mother's affidavit, Duane was never around, so how is Corey going to be able to prove anything?! Personally I feel these attorneys' need to just chock this up to a loss and move on. Tyka's attorneys come from a highly regarded law firm and I think they will fight hard to keep these leaches from getting what Prince left for his family. I just cannot believe the audacity of these people.

Maybe trying to hold out to see if anything comes by way of disclosure re the divorce? That's supposed to be mid-month, maybe Nov 14th?

Mumio said:

Vee0319 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said: I agree with you. But something I don't understand is, why Patrick Cousins who has already been accused of some awful things since Prince has passed, would still be involved. Especially knowing there is no way for him to get paid. Cousins and Shoemaker know that Carlin s not Prince's son but for some reason they want to still get documentation on the case. There is something wonky about it. Additionally that Andrew Stoltzman chased Brianna down once he heard Prince passed. I think he thought about all the money he could make and once he realized Duane's father was not John Nelson but the Griswold man, he had to think of another way so he could get paid. Thus the equitable adoption. Now we have Corey in the mix only according to his mother's affidavit, Duane was never around, so how is Corey going to be able to prove anything?! Personally I feel these attorneys' need to just chock this up to a loss and move on. Tyka's attorneys come from a highly regarded law firm and I think they will fight hard to keep these leaches from getting what Prince left for his family. I just cannot believe the audacity of these people.

Maybe trying to hold out to see if anything comes by way of disclosure re the divorce? That's supposed to be mid-month, maybe Nov 14th?

Something may come out from the divorce file but it will not make Carlin Q an hire.

laurarichardson said:

Mumio said:

Maybe trying to hold out to see if anything comes by way of disclosure re the divorce? That's supposed to be mid-month, maybe Nov 14th?

Something may come out from the divorce file but it will not make Carlin Q an hire.

I think the judge is just ensuring that Carlin will not have an appeal case. I thought Carlin has to pay for the 2nd test. The Judge is building more evidence against Carlin, not showing up, no contact. Once the evidence chain is proven sound, there is not a legal basis for Carlin to appeal too. Just my 2 cents. The Judge is letting Carlin and other frivilous claimers set themselves up.

I am interested in the 2 names that the siblings offered. There is possibly some smoke there.

About 2 more weeks for the divorces papers to be released.

ISAIDLIFEISJUSTAGAME & MORNINGSONG: 11/2/16 Amended Order For Alternate Testing

Things that make you go hmm??

nelcp777 said:

laurarichardson said:

Something may come out from the divorce file but it will not make Carlin Q an hire.

I think the judge is just ensuring that Carlin will not have an appeal case. I thought Carlin has to pay for the 2nd test. The Judge is building more evidence against Carlin, not showing up, no contact. Once the evidence chain is proven sound, there is not a legal basis for Carlin to appeal too. Just my 2 cents. The Judge is letting Carlin and other frivilous claimers set themselves up.

I am interested in the 2 names that the siblings offered. There is possibly some smoke there.

About 2 more weeks for the divorces papers to be released.

You could be right . The judge is setting these frauders up to be gone for good.

We may find out something from the divorce papers soon however if he had a trust we are not going to see names or financial terms.

laurarichardson said:

Mumio said:

Maybe trying to hold out to see if anything comes by way of disclosure re the divorce? That's supposed to be mid-month, maybe Nov 14th?

Something may come out from the divorce file but it will not make Carlin Q an hire.

No, I didn't think that but wondered if Cousins is looking for something from the divorce disclosure and still wants to be privy to everything also coming from the estate case.

[Edited 11/3/16 8:17am]

Double post

[Edited 11/3/16 8:16am]

laurarichardson said:

deerpath said:

This. If anyone had a connection to Prince, they would have been in contact. If there were early children of Prince's, the older half sibs would know. It is in their interest to say nothing now, but I haven't read where any of them objected to anyone's testing. If Corey is related, it will be to Duane who is not related to Prince--so the test won't prove Duane is his father anyway because they are comparing it to Prince. Should there be a link to Prince, wouldn't it then be a question of Prince as his father? Or am I misunderstanding?

It is interesting because Corey never spent time around Prince. Brianna is saying she had a Uncle like relationship with Prince and should be an heir. How would Corey show he had any relationship to Prince when he none with Duane.

My original point is that how do we know for sure that John L was not Duane's father? Corey has prima facie evidence which will allow him to take the dna test and the judge will also have to order all of John's children and Briana to be tested to have reliable comparisons. This test will settle the matter once and for all.

tmo1965 said:

laurarichardson said:

It is interesting because Corey never spent time around Prince. Brianna is saying she had a Uncle like relationship with Prince and should be an heir. How would Corey show he had any relationship to Prince when he none with Duane.

My original point is that how do we know for sure that John L was not Duane's father? Corey has prima facie evidence which will allow him to take the dna test and the judge will also have to order all of John's children and Briana to be tested to have reliable comparisons. This test will settle the matter once and for all.

I would think that Brianna would want to go ahead and her DNA test if she knew Duane was John's child. Tyka is alive and well it is easy to find out if Duane and Tyka have the same dad.

Too much foot dragging from the girls.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Vee0319 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said: I cannot help but wonder what Cousin's has up his sleeve. Dragging out this second DNA test. He knows good and well that Carlin is not Prince's son. The one child claimI thought possible was the woman from Connecticut. Prince has a song called Baby on his For You album and I thought he could be singing about getting a high school sweetheart pregnant. It'll be nice when all this is over with and we all come on here to talk about his New music and videos from the vault and great books we have read.

What woman from CT?

Im from Ohio and I am up extra late because of the World Series.

So I am also dipping in the wine.

.

Hey, I'm from CT, but I never dated Prince!

.

Well, this is news to me -- never heard about a girl from CT.

Man, this stuff is getting so ridiculous now, that it's bordering on insanity!! Prince must be shaking his damn head now, for real!!!!

Mumio said: