SquirrelMeat said:

BillieBalloon said:

SquirrelMeat said: I think fans want to protect Prince's legacy by not condoning things that just seem to go against everything he stood for. I'm not just taking about the wall but other things too. If you noticed, other posters on this thread were against the chaining idea as you would get arrested and that's not a road fans should go down. People's feelings are still raw though so ideas are being suggested which are extreme. Encasing pp in a wall seems like an aggressive act especially while people are still grieving. What's wrong with a solution where you can still see the building? Why does it have to be entombed behind a wall? Wall building is divisive by its very nature and closing of pp like this after years of it being visible to the world is wrong. BTW, I think you've got a pancake phobia,

Don't get me wrong, I personally don't believe Prince left detailed plans. I've worked in planning and events long enough to know how the truth is stretched to woo fans/sales.

However, we will probably never know the full facts, so I think its a slippery slope to assume and protest for some thing (e.g. a fence) but support others (e.g 'The Taste Experience'); to refused to believe one decision of the estate, but back another.

We've now even got fams wanting to formally march on MPLS Police to demand the 'truth behind his murder'. Its getting crazy.

I doubt I'm going to like the decisions of the estate (the 'official' memorial content being just one), but I'm not going pick and choose selective truth.

Prince doesn't own PP anymore, the estate does. Hopefully they will listen to the fans, but I expect rampant commercialism will take over. The early signs aren't good.

I hate that thought, but I suspect it will happen. The estate own it. Its their call. The issue isn't whether PP is walled in, the issue is whether the Estate have should choose their own plans.

As for pancakes, I love them, I'd just prefer them on a plate than stuck in a fence.

"The Taste Experience," which does not alter the aesthetics of Paisley Park, and building a wall around Paisley Park, which would fundamentally change its exterior, are not even comparable. It's apples and oranges.

babynoz said:

BillieBalloon said:

SquirrelMeat said: First of all, this is a perfectly valid topic for a thread. People are concerned about Paisley Park because right now it's the closest thing we have to a memorial. There has been no other way to pay our respects and it's only natural that people would gravitate there and leave momentos. The issue is not expanding the entrance for visitors or developing the parking area, it's the 8 foot (?) Wall. I've been fortunate enough to travel quite a bit and I can tell you that some of the most beautiful historical sites out there do NOT have a wall around them. Some of these sites have stood for hundreds if not thousands of years with millions visiting them. How do the authorities there cope with security? There's no need for a wall, it's unnecessary. The irony is that Prince never felt the need for one and now hes gone suddenly a wall is needed for security issues. I think years down the line visitors will still want to leave momentos, maybe not as many but it will still happen and this needs to be dealt with. Some local residents may view a wall covered in graffiti as an eyesore. Then what? It just begs the question, why didn't Prince build a wall?

Thank you....suddenly everybody is a self appointed moderator.

Even the White House isn't walled in.

Was really looking forward to touring Paisley Park and MN next summer; but after reading the emails from some of the local residents, not feeling like my prescence will be welcomed. I know it was just a smattering of emails, and maybe the majority of citizens do not feel the same way; but would hate to make the trip and cross paths with the likes of some of those residents...would definetly put a damper on any visit.

Asenath0607 said:

Was really looking forward to touring Paisley Park and MN next summer; but after reading the emails from some of the local residents, not feeling like my prescence will be welcomed. I know it was just a smattering of emails, and maybe the majority of citizens do not feel the same way; but would hate to make the trip and cross paths with the likes of some of those residents...would definetly put a damper on any visit.

I've been curious on how this is going to roll with those who actually live and work there. It was one thing to have parties at night but tourist rolling through constantly day and evening it a whole other matter.

nelcp777 said:

babynoz said:

BillieBalloon said:

SquirrelMeat said: First of all, this is a perfectly valid topic for a thread. People are concerned about Paisley Park because right now it's the closest thing we have to a memorial. There has been no other way to pay our respects and it's only natural that people would gravitate there and leave momentos. The issue is not expanding the entrance for visitors or developing the parking area, it's the 8 foot (?) Wall. I've been fortunate enough to travel quite a bit and I can tell you that some of the most beautiful historical sites out there do NOT have a wall around them. Some of these sites have stood for hundreds if not thousands of years with millions visiting them. How do the authorities there cope with security? There's no need for a wall, it's unnecessary. The irony is that Prince never felt the need for one and now hes gone suddenly a wall is needed for security issues. I think years down the line visitors will still want to leave momentos, maybe not as many but it will still happen and this needs to be dealt with. Some local residents may view a wall covered in graffiti as an eyesore. Then what? It just begs the question, why didn't Prince build a wall?

Thank you....suddenly everybody is a self appointed moderator.

Even the White House isn't walled in.

Yes, thank you BillieBalloon. You have a thorough understanding of the issues.

Apparently one self appointed moderator is also a behavior scientist whose professional opinion is that therapy is called for.

[Edited 9/22/16 19:20pm]

BillieBalloon said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Why would they need more security now that the reason for more--Prince--is no long there? He certainly didn't turn Paisley Park into an inaccessible fortress.

He certainly didn't, because he wanted it to be visible. He could have built a wall around it any time but he left the fence. Prince wanted his fans to be able to see it. There's a link to a petition somebody has posted. As someone said, there is no place to mark him, this is the only place. It's heartbreaking how his relationship with his fans is being slowly eroded. Yes PP is going to be available for tours but the fence is a different kind of memorial, much more personal and for people to really pour out their love for him. Just us and him. I hope they don't do it.

I always found it odd that there wasn't anything more, substantial separating him from the public.

Asenath0607 said:

morningsong, I did not delete my original post. If you scroll up the page to post #124 you can see it there and also in further responses in posts #128, 131 and 133. As you clearly have an issue with comprehension I will leave it there. I have nothing further to say.....

morningsong said:

Starrdust505 said:

Isn't it time that you stopped using Twitter as your primary method to communicate with us and now time for you to start issuing timely "official" press releases containing the hard facts!

Those are your exact words. You may have deleted your original post but it was already captured.

You want him to stop using Twitter, and have timely press releases. There's a reason the court records are sealed from the public, and it is coming through the courts for the time being. There's a judge involved.

babynoz said:

Starrdust505 said:

Again, I did not say that. Instead of mis-interpreting what I said I will spell it out for you. Londell mentioned in his twitter post that communication about the wall was not factual. In my post I suggested that it is now time that we are given the hard facts through timely official press releases so that it brings an end to all the confusion and heartache that regularly seems to happen when things like this blow up in the press. Hence all the comments in this thread! I did not suggest that press releases were the only method to communicate with us just merely suggesting an alternative that could possibly be used to prevent these continuous knee jerk reactions, thats all.

Your suggestion is perfectly reasonable IMO.

Thank you babynoz.

rogifan said:

Asenath0607 said:

Was really looking forward to touring Paisley Park and MN next summer; but after reading the emails from some of the local residents, not feeling like my prescence will be welcomed. I know it was just a smattering of emails, and maybe the majority of citizens do not feel the same way; but would hate to make the trip and cross paths with the likes of some of those residents...would definetly put a damper on any visit.

I don't know what emails you were referring to but rest assured that is not the feeling of the majority of Chanhassen residents.

Copies of resident emails sent to Chanhassen are posted under documents at this link:

Paisley Park Museum - Req... a museum.

rogifan said:

Asenath0607 said:

Was really looking forward to touring Paisley Park and MN next summer; but after reading the emails from some of the local residents, not feeling like my prescence will be welcomed. I know it was just a smattering of emails, and maybe the majority of citizens do not feel the same way; but would hate to make the trip and cross paths with the likes of some of those residents...would definetly put a damper on any visit.

I don't know what emails you were referring to but rest assured that is not the feeling of the majority of Chanhassen residents.

Documents: Attachment 8-Emails from Residents

http://chanhassen.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=1&clip_id=79

Thank you

babynoz said:

Starrdust505 said:

Again, I did not say that. Instead of mis-interpreting what I said I will spell it out for you. Londell mentioned in his twitter post that communication about the wall was not factual. In my post I suggested that it is now time that we are given the hard facts through timely official press releases so that it brings an end to all the confusion and heartache that regularly seems to happen when things like this blow up in the press. Hence all the comments in this thread! I did not suggest that press releases were the only method to communicate with us just merely suggesting an alternative that could possibly be used to prevent these continuous knee jerk reactions, thats all.

Your suggestion is perfectly reasonable IMO.

Agree completely too. I had said something to this effect on his Twitter previously but for some reason it seems like they'd rather people be in constant confusion and agitation than put out info we can count on. Always loved dealing with those who try to fix a situation *after* they allowed it to be created and then berate people because they paid attention

Asenath0607 said:

Mumio said:

babynoz said:

Your suggestion is perfectly reasonable IMO.

Agree completely too. I had said something to this effect on his Twitter previously but for some reason it seems like they'd rather people be in constant confusion and agitation than put out info we can count on. Always loved dealing with those who try to fix a situation *after* they allowed it to be created and then berate people because they paid attention

Exactly.

gollygirl said:

This wall is going to totally destroy the open feeling (or look of) of Paisley Park

exactly

meagemini2 said:

POSTED:SEP 20 2016 10:40PM CDT

UPDATED:SEP 21 2016 09:25AM CDT

CHANHASSEN, Minn. (KMSP) - Paisley Park is just a couple of weeks from opening its door to the public for tours. But some residents are worried how increased traffic and limited parking will affect their community.

Graceland Holdings, which will operate the facility, says staff is in the process of preserving and archiving all of Prince's music , clothes and instruments so they can be put on display.

"Each room will be thematic. Different stages of his career. The soundstage has different small stages that show different pieces of his career. We'll show you live videos that were recently discovered within the last week that no one has ever seen before," CEO Joel Soden said.

Upcoming plans for Paisley Park tours

Soden says the main entrance will be moved to the south to avoid traffic backing up onto Highway 5. The north and south parking lots will also be connected to allow more on-site parking.

Staff will use shuttles to bring visitors in from other locations during peak times and days.

Soden says in the future, the round unfinished studio building could become a boutique hotel.

They are in the process of replacing the chain link fence with a solid one to increase security and discourage people from putting momentos on it.

"We've actually saved every momento that people put on the walls. Once we open, we're asking the fans to not put those up anymore," Soden said.

At Tuesday night's Chanhassen Planning Commission meeting, about two dozen people showed up to learn more about the project.

This ain't right. Bummer. They put a wall around it, the spray paint will come out. Not a good decision.

wait....they want to discourage ppl from putting momentos on it? WTH is wrong with them?

Dibblekins said:

MusicologyMajor said:

loveandkindness said:

I've read the letters from tHe community, it seems the main concerns are traffic and parking....I do not think the reason for the wall is because of grieving fans leavings ther respects....I would suggest a memory temple area where fans can grieve perhaps leave a comment ...the community expressed it would have been a Benificial if the recording area could have remained in operation to help with up and comming young artists, however I am understanding pp will be a tour museum only at this time.. Regarding the price I du think there should be student discounts. And would hope they offer educational field trips that the local schools could attend. First and foremost is the respect for the community he loved so much. I am a no for the wall....with proper security it's not a problem and for the community each time they drive by they remember and smile...the idea of a tall concrete wall feels like welcome to Wally World graffiti target.

There is not a wall being built. It will be a fence.

People will leave memorabilia on the fence no matter what it is made of. That's human nature. People have been leaving roadside tributes to those who have passed on since the days humankind first walked on a dirt path.

elandcohen said:

loveandkindness said:

elandcohen said:

There is not a wall being built. It will be a fence.

:lol:if it's a fence similar to Graceland than it would be fine ...it's half chain part brick so u can see in but secure with of course the famous music gate....and they have a reflection area...my feelings are something like that would be fine....without really knowing what type of fence it is it's tough to judge.....just please don't put up a cement wall...they are so cold and would have a entire dif feel...I say keep the same fence...I haven't been able to find the proposed fence design...

From what i heard there will not be a wall. It will be a fence.Likely the same or similar. They will kindly ask people not to put stuff on the fence.

elandcohen said:

loveandkindness said:

elandcohen said: :lol:if it's a fence similar to Graceland than it would be fine ...it's half chain part brick so u can see in but secure with of course the famous music gate....and they have a reflection area...my feelings are something like that would be fine....without really knowing what type of fence it is it's tough to judge.....just please don't put up a cement wall...they are so cold and would have a entire dif feel...I say keep the same fence...I haven't been able to find the proposed fence design...

From what i heard there will not be a wall. It will be a fence.Likely the same or similar. They will kindly ask people not to put stuff on the fence.

And people will kindly leave it there anyway.

I think that the trash issue - with all that brings with it - is probably the most urgent problem. Did Prince tolerate anything being left on the fence?

http://minnesota.cbslocal...-concerns/