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Reply #30 posted 09/21/16 5:27pm

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The Chanhassen city council meets on Oct 3rd. Are there any org members who can attend to voice concerns about the wall?
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Reply #31 posted 09/21/16 5:30pm

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This is so wrong. Why do they want to get rid of the shrine on the fence? It's one of the things people want to see...everyone who has seen it finds it very moving and helpful, and it's important for people to have a place to do that, there's no grave, no funeral, nothing else as a place in the world for us to mark him. So so wrong. sad

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Reply #32 posted 09/21/16 5:35pm

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I know everything in Paisley Park is now worth a lot more since he passed but really? a 'Big Talll Wall' isn't going to deter someone who has looked for 'the ladder'. Dye some pitbulls purple or something, Hire good securiy and pay them well/fairly. It's not hard.

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Reply #33 posted 09/21/16 5:39pm

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perhaps it will be a (purple) brick wall and fans can buy personalized bricks that will build it smile Maybe they will be adding purple animals to the grounds that will need a big wall to keep them in. My only regret is getting there after the memento phase. I had an idea of something to add to the fence, but that saves me the time of making it smile I hope the graffiti tunnel will remain decorated though.
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Reply #34 posted 09/21/16 5:49pm

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If they were going to build a wall, have fans sponsor a brick and have a memorial message and their name etched on each one. Would take a while to do but would be a cool way to honour him, keep the memorials and raise some cash.
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Reply #35 posted 09/21/16 5:57pm

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Apparently they have kept all the gifts that were left and are preserving some of them.

I think some of it is extreme but it's better than it all being pulled down. Prince would want us to visit.
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Reply #36 posted 09/21/16 6:11pm

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Very sad. I live near Abbey Road in London, and Beatles fans for decades have been leaving messages on the (very low) wall outside the studio - in pen, spray paint, whatever. Every so often the owners will paint it over fresh in white paint, and then the fans start writing and drawing again. It's not really discouraged there, nor should it be discouraged at Paisley Park. Chain link fence with fans mementos is so much better too - not least so that the open views from the road are kept.

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Reply #37 posted 09/21/16 6:28pm

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I looked at a picture with a wall around Graceland, but I see it was a wall that Elvis had so I guess that doesn't count. And the scales are different, so I don't know, I hope it's not prison looking at least.

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Reply #38 posted 09/21/16 6:32pm

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jayseajay said:

This is so wrong. Why do they want to get rid of the shrine on the fence? It's one of the things people want to see...everyone who has seen it finds it very moving and helpful, and it's important for people to have a place to do that, there's no grave, no funeral, nothing else as a place in the world for us to mark him. So so wrong. sad

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Reply #39 posted 09/21/16 6:33pm

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Marrk said:

I know everything in Paisley Park is now worth a lot more since he passed but really? a 'Big Talll Wall' isn't going to deter someone who has looked for 'the ladder'. Dye some pitbulls purple or something, Hire good securiy and pay them well/fairly. It's not hard.

You hear today's Dr. Funk? Sounds like there's already 'thieves in the temple' confused

[Edited 9/21/16 18:33pm]

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Reply #40 posted 09/21/16 6:50pm

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roxy831 said:



Marrk said:


I know everything in Paisley Park is now worth a lot more since he passed but really? a 'Big Talll Wall' isn't going to deter someone who has looked for 'the ladder'. Dye some pitbulls purple or something, Hire good securiy and pay them well/fairly. It's not hard.



You hear today's Dr. Funk? Sounds like there's already 'thieves in the temple' confused

[Edited 9/21/16 18:33pm]


-- It is for security. Go back and read the Carver County Sheriff log he had people trespassing and making crank calls. If you read it is kind of scary. He either had no fear or a sort of wish for something to go bad. That place has a lot of valuable stuff in it. You need security.
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Reply #41 posted 09/21/16 6:50pm

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roxy831 said:



Marrk said:


I know everything in Paisley Park is now worth a lot more since he passed but really? a 'Big Talll Wall' isn't going to deter someone who has looked for 'the ladder'. Dye some pitbulls purple or something, Hire good securiy and pay them well/fairly. It's not hard.



You hear today's Dr. Funk? Sounds like there's already 'thieves in the temple' confused

[Edited 9/21/16 18:33pm]


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Paisley Park is in your heart
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Reply #42 posted 09/21/16 6:56pm

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laurarichardson said:

roxy831 said:

You hear today's Dr. Funk? Sounds like there's already 'thieves in the temple' confused

[Edited 9/21/16 18:33pm]

-- It is for security. Go back and read the Carver County Sheriff log he had people trespassing and making crank calls. If you read it is kind of scary. He either had no fear or a sort of wish for something to go bad. That place has a lot of valuable stuff in it. You need security.

He's not there now....at least not physically! Who needs to get in there except those who are invited? Do you feel any of 'us' would dare violate his space now that he's gone? It does not make sense. I'm just sayin'. If there were reports of people trying to break in after P's passing, I'd understand, but that has not been revealed at all.

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Reply #43 posted 09/21/16 6:59pm

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THIS IS FUCKING GOTDAM BULLSHIT.

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Reply #44 posted 09/21/16 7:02pm

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Told a non-fan about the wall -reaction? "That's stupid. Doesn't have a fence already?". It's a no brainer. NO WALL.

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Reply #45 posted 09/21/16 7:03pm

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jayseajay said:

This is so wrong. Why do they want to get rid of the shrine on the fence? It's one of the things people want to see...everyone who has seen it finds it very moving and helpful, and it's important for people to have a place to do that, there's no grave, no funeral, nothing else as a place in the world for us to mark him. So so wrong. sad


nod Yes, that's what the fam tributes amount to, a SHRINE. A shrine that was created spontaneously from the outpouring of love for Prince and sorrow at his passing. That shrine is a physical manifestation of the fams' regard for Prince. So if you disrespect the shrine, or stand in the way of that heartfelt manner of honoring Prince? You are disrespecting Prince and his legacy disbelief


I've never spoken up on this because I'm trying to be compassionate towards his grieving family, but as a fam I feel dismissed by them. The way things have played out is just insensitive to the fam base. Sometimes I wonder if the family understands how big Prince is, and how deeply his art has connected to the world at large sad


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Reply #46 posted 09/21/16 7:10pm

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Dibblekins said:[quote]

So, let me get this straight...Prince, the world famous rockstar can LIVE there, with limited security, and all manner of people traipsing in and out, with just a fence (and a gate that was often open) but now he has died, his family / estate managers have to build a bloody great wall???



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Sorry, but WTF!?!?!?

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I was thinking the exact same thing...makes no sense.
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Reply #47 posted 09/21/16 7:13pm

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Reply #48 posted 09/21/16 7:23pm

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Starrdust505 said:

I think I read somewhere that there doing it for security confused I'm wondering what are they going to do with all of the momentos currently on the fence and whether theres going to be somewhere else for fans to place them.

Why would they need more security now that the reason for more--Prince--is no long there? He certainly didn't turn Paisley Park into an inaccessible fortress. confused

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Reply #49 posted 09/21/16 7:25pm

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Gadotou said:

jayseajay said:

This is so wrong. Why do they want to get rid of the shrine on the fence? It's one of the things people want to see...everyone who has seen it finds it very moving and helpful, and it's important for people to have a place to do that, there's no grave, no funeral, nothing else as a place in the world for us to mark him. So so wrong. sad


nod Yes, that's what the fam tributes amount to, a SHRINE. A shrine that was created spontaneously from the outpouring of love for Prince and sorrow at his passing. That shrine is a physical manifestation of the fams' regard for Prince. So if you disrespect the shrine, or stand in the way of that heartfelt manner of honoring Prince? You are disrespecting Prince and his legacy disbelief


I've never spoken up on this because I'm trying to be compassionate towards his grieving family, but as a fam I feel dismissed by them. The way things have played out is just insensitive to the fam base. Sometimes I wonder if the family understands how big Prince is, and how deeply his art has connected to the world at large sad


I could cry right now if I weren't so mad

I really think we need to try and do something about this. It is a shrine. You do not just destroy a shrine. That is all kinds of fucked up. And there is not going to be a grave, so this is it...this is the place in the world we have to mark our love for him, and they want to destroy it. Why? I cannot think of any reason other than the fact it requires some maintenance, and that costs some money...and that is not a good enough reason to destroy a shrine. Peple have sent things to that fence from all over the damn world, and they will continue to do so as long as its there. Man, I am really upset about this. We've had fuck all, no funeral, no memorial, no grave, no explanations, nothing. This is what we have, and they want to get rid of that too. It is really dismissive, and it shows no regard for our relationship to him and what he meant to us. Just 'give us your money and look at some clothes and guitars.' Okay, fine, I know they need to monetize PP to keep it open, but don't give us all 'we're doing this for the fans' and then destroy the most meaningful thing...And as people have said, if they build a wall, people will just grafitti their love on the wall, like they do at Abbey Road or at Jim Morrison's grave, because people need to be able to do that, they need a place where they can leave messages (and pancakes, and flowers, and packets of Cap'n Crunch) for him...and then it will just look like a fucking mess. If they are going to take the fence down they need to put something in its place to serve as a shrine where people can leave things...and I think we should get together a write a letter and work out who to send it to, and make some noise about this because no, no, no, no, no.

ETA: And I agree with you also, I have held my tongue re: the family b/c they are in a horrible situation, and I think they've been doing their best, and they're not really equipped to deal with this...and they must be devastated...but this has kind of tipped me over the edge.

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Reply #50 posted 09/21/16 7:38pm

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purplethunder3121 said:



Starrdust505 said:


I think I read somewhere that there doing it for security confused I'm wondering what are they going to do with all of the momentos currently on the fence and whether theres going to be somewhere else for fans to place them.



Why would they need more security now that the reason for more--Prince--is no long there? He certainly didn't turn Paisley Park into an inaccessible fortress. confused


yeahthat The fence is a shrine, I just don't see that a wall is needed and as others have said it seems like some actions are taken without full consideration.
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Reply #51 posted 09/21/16 7:45pm

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Per city council meeting, business plan;

"The intention of the operator is to install a new perimeter fence. The fence may be opaque and will limit visibility ofthe building. In addition, it will discourage things from being attached on the fence. The fence will be required to follow the city fencing ordinances."

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Reply #52 posted 09/21/16 8:02pm

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If they really feel the current fence isn't secure enough, why not a wrought iron fence? That might be a good compromise between security and visibility. Plus it's good enough for Lakewood Cemetery, which is the fanciest cemetery in the city.
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Reply #53 posted 09/21/16 8:25pm

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Reply #54 posted 09/21/16 11:01pm

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roxy831 said:



laurarichardson said:


roxy831 said:


You hear today's Dr. Funk? Sounds like there's already 'thieves in the temple' confused


[Edited 9/21/16 18:33pm]



-- It is for security. Go back and read the Carver County Sheriff log he had people trespassing and making crank calls. If you read it is kind of scary. He either had no fear or a sort of wish for something to go bad. That place has a lot of valuable stuff in it. You need security.

He's not there now....at least not physically! Who needs to get in there except those who are invited? Do you feel any of 'us' would dare violate his space now that he's gone? It does not make sense. I'm just sayin'. If there were reports of people trying to break in after P's passing, I'd understand, but that has not been revealed at all.


This is ridiculous. I think I'm going to cry! I drive by there frequently and I can't imagine a solid fence. It brings me comfort to see it from the road with the purple lights glowing. The current fence is adequately secure. That's not the reason. They just don't want people getting a glimpse of anything without paying. That sheriffs log is very minor stuff. Besides Prince never felt unsafe enough to build a more imposing perimeter. It's a perfectly safe area. It's not the kind of community that has ever had any problems with high crime, etc. it's well patrolled by law enforcement, the whole area is. Totally unnecessary and off-putting to his fans and others. Just one more layer of separation between Prince and the people and community he loved.
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Reply #55 posted 09/22/16 12:08am

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purplethunder3121 said:



Starrdust505 said:


I think I read somewhere that there doing it for security confused I'm wondering what are they going to do with all of the momentos currently on the fence and whether theres going to be somewhere else for fans to place them.



Why would they need more security now that the reason for more--Prince--is no long there? He certainly didn't turn Paisley Park into an inaccessible fortress. confused




He certainly didn't, because he wanted it to be visible. He could have built a wall around it any time but he left the fence. Prince wanted his fans to be able to see it. There's a link to a petition somebody has posted.

As someone said, there is no place to mark him, this is the only place. It's heartbreaking how his relationship with his fans is being slowly eroded. Yes PP is going to be available for tours but the fence is a different kind of memorial, much more personal and for people to really pour out their love for him. Just us and him.

I hope they don't do it.
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Reply #56 posted 09/22/16 2:21am

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It doesn't seem right for a representative of Paisley Park Museum to state that they don't want people to continue leaving mementos at Paisley. Especially as it has only been 5 months since Prince died. Who are they to make such a request? The fans helped to build the place. And as others have said, Paisley Park is the only place to go and pay respects to Prince. The Estate staff can't continue to deal with some mementos being left for the time being, at least?

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Reply #57 posted 09/22/16 3:07am

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I suspect that this sort of bullshit will become more and more commonplace now that the graverobbers are in on the action. Here, it seem fairly obvious that commodifying and monetizing all access to, or even sight of, Paisley Park depends on ensuring that no-one who hasn't coughed up the requisite amount can have any experience of it whatsoever, regardless of what kind of blot on the landscape that creates. As someone said above, it's like the temporary walls they put around places where paid-for events are taking place. Commodification has no truck with the sentiments of fans and mourners - except on the condition that such warm sentiments can be turned into cold hard cash ("Light a purple candle - $10") - so all that developed organically and meaningfully will just get stripped away.

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Reply #58 posted 09/22/16 3:17am

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[Edited 9/22/16 12:59pm]

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Reply #59 posted 09/22/16 3:58am

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Petition signed and shared, let's hope it will be taken into account.

https://www.change.org/p/...igned=true

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