fbueller said:

elandcohen said:

Because people are darting across a busy intersection to try to get a glimpse of the memorial and the city wants to cover its bases. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

I understand just fine. Chanhassen could add a crosswalk with blinking lights or whatever. Graceland is located on a very busy street. Much busier than Audubon Road. The city of Memphis or Graceland created a little turn off on the street alongside Graceland, so that people can stop or take pictures without possibly darting across a busy intersection or impeding traffic flow. Maybe Chanhassen could do something similar.

I'm with you. That's why I think it's a city issue and not a management one. I think the city made the call on this one.

SquirrelMeat said:

Ah well, I guess if people cannot view or take a picture of Paisley Park from outside any longer, they'll just have to "purchase" a ticket to get in.

SquirrelMeat said:

Wow.

What a crazy world we live in when topics surrounding Prince, the musician, have led to limited thread activity about his vault material being released, but a fire of activity because the owners of the estate want to change a boundary.

I watched the 2 hour planning application video and it all seems reasonably thought out. They are looking to change the entrances for traffic purposes, use a wall for additional security and to stop increasing amounts of cars pulling over on the freeway to take pictures.

The fence was great, but like flower memorials for Lennon, Diana, Jackson, they are a flood of temporary grief, not eternal shrines. If fams really are taking pancakes and captain crunch out their 'for Prince' then they need to see a therapist. The only thing the fence will become is a health hazard.

Beside, a wall could be a good thing. It will add to the mystique on arrival. It works at Graceland, and in Princeland, it could be nicknamed Grafitti Wall.

It wouldn't be the org without a stupid freakout over one thing or another.

rogifan said:

From Londell this morning:

Ok, Londell, thanks for this...... Isn't it time that you stopped using Twitter as your primary method to communicate with us and now time for you to start issuing timely "official" press releases containing the hard facts! By simply doing this one teeny weeny little thing you will avoid all the heartache, dispell all the myths and bring an end to all of the confusion that has been relentless for 5 months

BillieBalloon said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Wow.

What a crazy world we live in when topics surrounding Prince, the musician, have led to limited thread activity about his vault material being released, but a fire of activity because the owners of the estate want to change a boundary.

I watched the 2 hour planning application video and it all seems reasonably thought out. They are looking to change the entrances for traffic purposes, use a wall for additional security and to stop increasing amounts of cars pulling over on the freeway to take pictures.

The fence was great, but like flower memorials for Lennon, Diana, Jackson, they are a flood of temporary grief, not eternal shrines. If fams really are taking pancakes and captain crunch out their 'for Prince' then they need to see a therapist. The only thing the fence will become is a health hazard.

Beside, a wall could be a good thing. It will add to the mystique on arrival. It works at Graceland, and in Princeland, it could be nicknamed Grafitti Wall.

First of all, this is a perfectly valid topic for a thread. People are concerned about Paisley Park because right now it's the closest thing we have to a memorial. There has been no other way to pay our respects and it's only natural that people would gravitate there and leave momentos. The issue is not expanding the entrance for visitors or developing the parking area, it's the 8 foot (?) Wall. I've been fortunate enough to travel quite a bit and I can tell you that some of the most beautiful historical sites out there do NOT have a wall around them. Some of these sites have stood for hundreds if not thousands of years with millions visiting them. How do the authorities there cope with security? There's no need for a wall, it's unnecessary. The irony is that Prince never felt the need for one and now hes gone suddenly a wall is needed for security issues. I think years down the line visitors will still want to leave momentos, maybe not as many but it will still happen and this needs to be dealt with. Some local residents may view a wall covered in graffiti as an eyesore. Then what? It just begs the question, why didn't Prince build a wall?

I hear what you are saying. But how about this.

What would your view be if it comes out that Prince's supposed detailed plans he left behind included a wall?

Would you stick to your own valid arguement about impact on fans and residents, or would your prefer Prince's plan to be implemented?

SquirrelMeat said:

BillieBalloon said:

SquirrelMeat said: First of all, this is a perfectly valid topic for a thread. People are concerned about Paisley Park because right now it's the closest thing we have to a memorial. There has been no other way to pay our respects and it's only natural that people would gravitate there and leave momentos. The issue is not expanding the entrance for visitors or developing the parking area, it's the 8 foot (?) Wall. I've been fortunate enough to travel quite a bit and I can tell you that some of the most beautiful historical sites out there do NOT have a wall around them. Some of these sites have stood for hundreds if not thousands of years with millions visiting them. How do the authorities there cope with security? There's no need for a wall, it's unnecessary. The irony is that Prince never felt the need for one and now hes gone suddenly a wall is needed for security issues. I think years down the line visitors will still want to leave momentos, maybe not as many but it will still happen and this needs to be dealt with. Some local residents may view a wall covered in graffiti as an eyesore. Then what? It just begs the question, why didn't Prince build a wall?

I hear what you are saying. But how about this.

What would your view be if it comes out that Prince's supposed detailed plans he left behind included a wall?

Would you stick to your own valid arguement about impact on fans and residents, or would your prefer Prince's plan to be implemented?

If this was the case I'm sure everyone would know about it by now.

if the family wants to run Paisley Park as if Prince is alive, then that may be one reason for the wall, to make the place look less like a gravesite, even though that is where he passed. As others have said, I'm sure the stream of mementos will slow down naturally, probably after 6/7/17, but maybe at least for the people who work there every day, it might just be like working in a cemetery instead of working in the house of someone whose vision you want to keep alive. I think the wall could be well-done. Maybe a local fan who has some land could step up to provide some kind of memorial space for fans who want a shrine to visit?

Starrdust505 said:

SquirrelMeat said:

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rogifan said:

Starrdust505 said:

Ok, Londell, thanks for this...... Isn't it time that you stopped using Twitter as your primary method to communicate with us and now time for you to start issuing timely "official" press releases containing the hard facts! By simply doing this one teeny weeny little thing you will avoid all the heartache, dispell all the myths and bring an end to all of the confusion that has been relentless for 5 months

Is Londell the official spokesperson for the estate?

Is he supposed to call a news conference everytime he wants to make a comment?


People are amusing.

CherryMoon57 said:

SquirrelMeat said:

I hear what you are saying. But how about this.

What would your view be if it comes out that Prince's supposed detailed plans he left behind included a wall?

Would you stick to your own valid arguement about impact on fans and residents, or would your prefer Prince's plan to be implemented?

If this was the case I'm sure everyone would know about it by now.

All we have heard is that he apparently had very detailed plans. If that were true, you would assume that may include site plans. The estate representative at the planning hearing was presumably working to the estate plan.

At that hearing he is requesting approval for a wall, so there is just as much chance that Prince planned a wall as there is to suggest he was not.

So the question is valid. For those screaming for the fence to remain as their shrine, for the sake of the fans or residents, will they stand by their preference even if it went against Prince's wishes?

rogifan said:

Starrdust505 said:

Ok, Londell, thanks for this...... Isn't it time that you stopped using Twitter as your primary method to communicate with us and now time for you to start issuing timely "official" press releases containing the hard facts! By simply doing this one teeny weeny little thing you will avoid all the heartache, dispell all the myths and bring an end to all of the confusion that has been relentless for 5 months

Is Londell the official spokesperson for the estate?

Who knows? I can only make the assumption that he is some sort of unofficial spokesperson based on his responses to various matters he makes on twitter.

morningsong said:

rogifan said:

Starrdust505 said: Is Londell the official spokesperson for the estate?

Is he supposed to call a news conference everytime he wants to make a comment?


People are amusing.

Yes morningsong you are very funny for suggesting that he call a news conference everytime he wants to make a comment. I did not say that.

SquirrelMeat said:

BillieBalloon said:

SquirrelMeat said:

I hear what you are saying. But how about this.

What would your view be if it comes out that Prince's supposed detailed plans he left behind included a wall?

Would you stick to your own valid arguement about impact on fans and residents, or would your prefer Prince's plan to be implemented?

This thought did actually cross my mind. Since Prince built PP and it belonged to him I would have to adhere to his wishes. I wouldn't want anyone telling me what colour to paint the walls of MY house. I may not like it, but if that's what he wanted. You know what, that's my honest answer. I have enough respect for him to admit that IF it turned out to be the case that these are his decisions I would accept them of course. There's no winners in this game of point scoring Squirrel...hes gone and nothing is going to bring him back. . [Edited 9/22/16 16:18pm]

Agreed. Much as I wouldn't like it, and think it bizarre, if that is what he wanted and we had proof it was in his detailed plans for the estate, I'd accept it.

BillieBalloon said:

SquirrelMeat said:

I hear what you are saying. But how about this.

What would your view be if it comes out that Prince's supposed detailed plans he left behind included a wall?

Would you stick to your own valid arguement about impact on fans and residents, or would your prefer Prince's plan to be implemented?

This thought did actually cross my mind. Since Prince built PP and it belonged to him I would have to adhere to his wishes. I wouldn't want anyone telling me what colour to paint the walls of MY house. I may not like it, but if that's what he wanted. You know what, that's my honest answer. I have enough respect for him to admit that IF it turned out to be the case that these are his decisions I would accept them of course. There's no winners in this game of point scoring Squirrel...hes gone and nothing is going to bring him back. . [Edited 9/22/16 16:18pm]

Point scoring? I'm not sure what you are getting at. There are no points to be scored.

All I am questioning is the logic of some fams who are suggesting chaining themselves to a fence with their pancakes or bombarding MLPS planning department; who are just trying to do their job.

It feels like its more about them than the Prince legacy or estate wishes.

Starrdust505 said:

morningsong said:

Is he supposed to call a news conference everytime he wants to make a comment?


People are amusing.

Yes morningsong you are very funny for suggesting that he call a news conference everytime he wants to make a comment. I did not say that.

You want everything he says officially press released, which requires time and organization every single time he wants say something to the fans, that's what's funny.
That and the fans that want every specification Prince might have written down (emailed) ran past them for their approval first.

Dibblekins said:

SquirrelMeat said:

morningsong said:

Starrdust505 said:

Yes morningsong you are very funny for suggesting that he call a news conference everytime he wants to make a comment. I did not say that.

You want everything he says officially press released, which requires time and organization every single time he wants say something to the fans, that's what's funny.
That and the fans that want every specification Prince might have written down (emailed) ran past them for their approval first.

Again, I did not say that. Instead of mis-interpreting what I said I will spell it out for you. Londell mentioned in his twitter post that communication about the wall was not factual. In my post I suggested that it is now time that we are given the hard facts through timely official press releases so that it brings an end to all the confusion and heartache that regularly seems to happen when things like this blow up in the press. Hence all the comments in this thread! I did not suggest that press releases were the only method to communicate with us just merely suggesting an alternative that could possibly be used to prevent these continuous knee jerk reactions, thats all.

BillieBalloon said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Wow.

What a crazy world we live in when topics surrounding Prince, the musician, have led to limited thread activity about his vault material being released, but a fire of activity because the owners of the estate want to change a boundary.

I watched the 2 hour planning application video and it all seems reasonably thought out. They are looking to change the entrances for traffic purposes, use a wall for additional security and to stop increasing amounts of cars pulling over on the freeway to take pictures.

The fence was great, but like flower memorials for Lennon, Diana, Jackson, they are a flood of temporary grief, not eternal shrines. If fams really are taking pancakes and captain crunch out their 'for Prince' then they need to see a therapist. The only thing the fence will become is a health hazard.

Beside, a wall could be a good thing. It will add to the mystique on arrival. It works at Graceland, and in Princeland, it could be nicknamed Grafitti Wall.

First of all, this is a perfectly valid topic for a thread. People are concerned about Paisley Park because right now it's the closest thing we have to a memorial. There has been no other way to pay our respects and it's only natural that people would gravitate there and leave momentos. The issue is not expanding the entrance for visitors or developing the parking area, it's the 8 foot (?) Wall. I've been fortunate enough to travel quite a bit and I can tell you that some of the most beautiful historical sites out there do NOT have a wall around them. Some of these sites have stood for hundreds if not thousands of years with millions visiting them. How do the authorities there cope with security? There's no need for a wall, it's unnecessary. The irony is that Prince never felt the need for one and now hes gone suddenly a wall is needed for security issues. I think years down the line visitors will still want to leave momentos, maybe not as many but it will still happen and this needs to be dealt with. Some local residents may view a wall covered in graffiti as an eyesore. Then what? It just begs the question, why didn't Prince build a wall?

Thank you....suddenly everybody is a self appointed moderator.

Even the White House isn't walled in.

BillieBalloon said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Point scoring? I'm not sure what you are getting at. There are no points to be scored.

All I am questioning is the logic of some fams who are suggesting chaining themselves to a fence with their pancakes or bombarding MLPS planning department; who are just trying to do their job.

It feels like its more about them than the Prince legacy or estate wishes.

I think fans want to protect Prince's legacy by not condoning things that just seem to go against everything he stood for. I'm not just taking about the wall but other things too. If you noticed, other posters on this thread were against the chaining idea as you would get arrested and that's not a road fans should go down. People's feelings are still raw though so ideas are being suggested which are extreme. Encasing pp in a wall seems like an aggressive act especially while people are still grieving. What's wrong with a solution where you can still see the building? Why does it have to be entombed behind a wall? Wall building is divisive by its very nature and closing of pp like this after years of it being visible to the world is wrong. BTW, I think you've got a pancake phobia,

Don't get me wrong, I personally don't believe Prince left detailed plans. I've worked in planning and events long enough to know how the truth is stretched to woo fans/sales.

However, we will probably never know the full facts, so I think its a slippery slope to assume and protest for some thing (e.g. a fence) but support others (e.g 'The Taste Experience'); to refused to believe one decision of the estate, but back another.

We've now even got fams wanting to formally march on MPLS Police to demand the 'truth behind his murder'. Its getting crazy.

I doubt I'm going to like the decisions of the estate (the 'official' memorial content being just one), but I'm not going pick and choose selective truth.

Prince doesn't own PP anymore, the estate does. Hopefully they will listen to the fans, but I expect rampant commercialism will take over. The early signs aren't good.

I hate that thought, but I suspect it will happen. The estate own it. Its their call. The issue isn't whether PP is walled in, the issue is whether the Estate have should choose their own plans.

As for pancakes, I love them, I'd just prefer them on a plate than stuck in a fence.

SquirrelMeat said:

BillieBalloon said:

SquirrelMeat said: This thought did actually cross my mind. Since Prince built PP and it belonged to him I would have to adhere to his wishes. I wouldn't want anyone telling me what colour to paint the walls of MY house. I may not like it, but if that's what he wanted. You know what, that's my honest answer. I have enough respect for him to admit that IF it turned out to be the case that these are his decisions I would accept them of course. There's no winners in this game of point scoring Squirrel...hes gone and nothing is going to bring him back. . [Edited 9/22/16 16:18pm]

Point scoring? I'm not sure what you are getting at. There are no points to be scored.

All I am questioning is the logic of some fams who are suggesting chaining themselves to a fence with their pancakes or bombarding MLPS planning department; who are just trying to do their job.

It feels like its more about them than the Prince legacy or estate wishes.

I was the one that recommended fans chaining themselves to the fence. I said nothing of pancakes or of bombarding MPLS planning department. One thing that I think people have to keep in mind is that many of us are still grieving, in some form or fashion, the loss of this man who brought us all together. And Prince was about bringing people together. A wall is something that is used to divide, separate. So yes, I feel strongly about a wall being in place. Now if it is shown, definitively, that was Prince's wish, then I would go along with the wall. But in 28 years, from the time Paisley Park was completed in 1988, Prince never built a wall. You would think that if security was an issue, then Prince would have had a wall built many years ago. Chaining yourself to someting you are trying to save or to make a point is a technique that has been used in many protest situations, with effective outcomes in some of those situations. Yes, it is an extreme measure, and really unrealistic. But, I feel strongly about it. And that is where the statement is generating from. Ultimately, I do not believe that we would be listened to anyway, so it is probably a moot point. Prince is no longer there, and it should not matter, but it does. So, if anyone can show proof this is what Prince wanted, then I will get behind the idea of a wall, but until that time, no, I can't support a wall.

SquirrelMeat said:

BillieBalloon said:

SquirrelMeat said: This thought did actually cross my mind. Since Prince built PP and it belonged to him I would have to adhere to his wishes. I wouldn't want anyone telling me what colour to paint the walls of MY house. I may not like it, but if that's what he wanted. You know what, that's my honest answer. I have enough respect for him to admit that IF it turned out to be the case that these are his decisions I would accept them of course. There's no winners in this game of point scoring Squirrel...hes gone and nothing is going to bring him back. . [Edited 9/22/16 16:18pm]

Point scoring? I'm not sure what you are getting at. There are no points to be scored.

All I am questioning is the logic of some fams who are suggesting chaining themselves to a fence with their pancakes or bombarding MLPS planning department; who are just trying to do their job.

It feels like its more about them than the Prince legacy or estate wishes.

Why the hyperbole if point scoring isn't your goal? No one here ever suggested that we should bombard the planning dept and I don't appreciate your characterization.

I carefully detailed the proper way to go about voicing concerns and rogifan outlined how to obtain pertinent information. The same thing is done in every single municipality in this country every day. That is actually one of the purposes of having council meetings in the first place, so that the public can voice their concerns. Formal notices go out to citizens and the agenda is posted with contact information for just that purpose.

Responding to the public IS their job and the lady I spoke with on the phone from the City was very cordial in explaining what is happening because she knows that.

benni said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Point scoring? I'm not sure what you are getting at. There are no points to be scored.

All I am questioning is the logic of some fams who are suggesting chaining themselves to a fence with their pancakes or bombarding MLPS planning department; who are just trying to do their job.

It feels like its more about them than the Prince legacy or estate wishes.

I was the one that recommended fans chaining themselves to the fence. I said nothing of pancakes or of bombarding MPLS planning department. One thing that I think people have to keep in mind is that many of us are still grieving, in some form or fashion, the loss of this man who brought us all together. And Prince was about bringing people together. A wall is something that is used to divide, separate. So yes, I feel strongly about a wall being in place. Now if it is shown, definitively, that was Prince's wish, then I would go along with the wall. But in 28 years, from the time Paisley Park was completed in 1988, Prince never built a wall. You would think that if security was an issue, then Prince would have had a wall built many years ago. Chaining yourself to someting you are trying to save or to make a point is a technique that has been used in many protest situations, with effective outcomes in some of those situations. Yes, it is an extreme measure, and really unrealistic. But, I feel strongly about it. And that is where the statement is generating from. Ultimately, I do not believe that we would be listened to anyway, so it is probably a moot point. Prince is no longer there, and it should not matter, but it does. So, if anyone can show proof this is what Prince wanted, then I will get behind the idea of a wall, but until that time, no, I can't support a wall.

I appeciate your honesty. I wasn't suggesting you came up with all those ideas, it was a summary of a section of ideas across this and other threads. All of the things I have mentioned have been suggested over the last couple of days.

Underneath it all, as you imply, its really still a form of grief output.

My concern is that extreme measures may wll have a negative effect on fan/estate interaction in the future.

Starrdust505 said:

morningsong said:

You want everything he says officially press released, which requires time and organization every single time he wants say something to the fans, that's what's funny.
That and the fans that want every specification Prince might have written down (emailed) ran past them for their approval first.

Again, I did not say that. Instead of mis-interpreting what I said I will spell it out for you. Londell mentioned in his twitter post that communication about the wall was not factual. In my post I suggested that it is now time that we are given the hard facts through timely official press releases so that it brings an end to all the confusion and heartache that regularly seems to happen when things like this blow up in the press. Hence all the comments in this thread! I did not suggest that press releases were the only method to communicate with us just merely suggesting an alternative that could possibly be used to prevent these continuous knee jerk reactions, thats all.

Starrdust505 said:

morningsong said:

You want everything he says officially press released, which requires time and organization every single time he wants say something to the fans, that's what's funny.
That and the fans that want every specification Prince might have written down (emailed) ran past them for their approval first.

Again, I did not say that. Instead of mis-interpreting what I said I will spell it out for you. Londell mentioned in his twitter post that communication about the wall was not factual. In my post I suggested that it is now time that we are given the hard facts through timely official press releases so that it brings an end to all the confusion and heartache that regularly seems to happen when things like this blow up in the press. Hence all the comments in this thread! I did not suggest that press releases were the only method to communicate with us just merely suggesting an alternative that could possibly be used to prevent these continuous knee jerk reactions, thats all.

Your suggestion is perfectly reasonable IMO.

SquirrelMeat said:

BillieBalloon said:

SquirrelMeat said: This thought did actually cross my mind. Since Prince built PP and it belonged to him I would have to adhere to his wishes. I wouldn't want anyone telling me what colour to paint the walls of MY house. I may not like it, but if that's what he wanted. You know what, that's my honest answer. I have enough respect for him to admit that IF it turned out to be the case that these are his decisions I would accept them of course. There's no winners in this game of point scoring Squirrel...hes gone and nothing is going to bring him back. . [Edited 9/22/16 16:18pm]

Point scoring? I'm not sure what you are getting at. There are no points to be scored.

All I am questioning is the logic of some fams who are suggesting chaining themselves to a fence with their pancakes or bombarding MLPS planning department; who are just trying to do their job.

It feels like its more about them than the Prince legacy or estate wishes.

If there is proof that Prince planned to build a wall, then that would nip all potential protests in the bud; however, if Prince left such detailed plans about PP, then that is all the more reason to believe that he left a will that, for whatever reason, has not yet surfaced.