Please pardon me if someone else has mentioned this...had to leave and got behind in my reading...People Magazine has some expert saying that P may have known that the counterfeit drugs contained Fentanyl...,.,that he was that hooked and tookd it anyway. Ben Levenson, addiction expert and and founder of Origins Behavioral Healthcare who said the mislabeling pills is a well-known practive in illicit rx drug trade. That sucks. Guess he didnt get the news that the ME had to say or chose to ignore it.

nursev said:

Im bout to strike some nerves now...I find it truly sad that fans are willing to accept the ole drug addict rock star thing and will not even admit or consider that Prince may have had AIDS/ Cancer or was sick with something. The pictures dont lie folks, but keep the drug addict speculation going Again I say shame on the people who chose to SPIN THAT SHIT!

Girl, you know I am with you.

wavesofbliss said:

rogifan said:

which is not the same thing as saying someone murdered him. it is an important distiction to make. which is why kirk and meron lawyered up. they most likely procured or took possession of those illicit(knowingly or not) tablets and then passed them on to prince.

This. Totally agree. This right here is called "logic"

herb4 said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

herb4 said:

I keep hearing people say this. Prince was very singular minded, independent and surrounded himslef with yes people. He often wanted privacy. When he said "leave", they did. When he said "get in here and do this or that" they did. They were his employees probably even more than they were his friends since he was so guarded.

It's 20/20 hindsight and too easy in retrospect to say "well, a REAL friend would have done THIS or THAT." Also, if he WAS an addict, nothing anyone could have done would have stopeed him from using if he wanted to. Shit, especially a man with his means.

Yes I understand he was a private person and often sent all of the staff away. But if you were aware the man nearly DIED by overdose and the problem is so bad that staff were frantically trying to get him to an addiction specialist flying in from out of state to deal with a "grave medical emergency" (as reported)...employee or not, common sense should tell you that person should not be left alone! Especially if you had been working for him for decades and considered him a good friend. (Unless of course, him overdosing to near death was not a rare occurrence.)

It's still 20/20 hindsight though. If he'd woken up the next morning and met the doctor(s) he was supposed to, everyone would be luading his support system. Prince's people did what they were told.

uniden said:

Jill jones posted this earlier, not sue if it's been deleted now? (FROM THE MIND & HEART OF Jill Jones-Mühlum) MAD <3 JJ

Wow - so sad. That is a woman wracked with pain, sorrow, and guilt.

LoriJ said:

mano said:

These pill reports reopen the wound to the point of bleeding. Pills everywhere! Gosh, it's no longer he was just self medicating to deal with pain and got addicted. At this point it seems like our beloved Prince was a stone cold drug addict!

How in the world could this have happened? Who was helping this happen? I'm just shaking my head.

Here's the problem, some people just don't get the difference between someone taking rx drugs for pain whose bodies become dependent on them, and someine looking for a high. There's's addiction, physical addiction. It's bound to happen over a period of time.

The person is not getting a fun high out of these meds. It's not the reason they are hooked. That's the difference between what you call a 'stone cold drug addict' and someone physically dependent on a drug they began taking for medical reasons, not to get high. They both end up physically addicted, but initially take the drug for different reasons.

I was given percocet many years ago when I had to have wisdom teeth pulled. The oral surgeon said try not to take these for more than a few days, They are highly addictive. He prescribed a week's worth. He scared me, i stopped after 3 days. I remember feeling hyper on them. I could have scrubbed walls in the middle of the night. Maybe a junkie would take them for that feeling.

About 13 years ago I had a bad back injury. I was prescribed hydrocodone, about thirty days worth. I didn't get a warning that time, I just knew. Again I stopped in three days. I had to take them every four hours. They knocked me out. That's all I did was sleep, wake up, eat something and take another pill and go back to sleep. Again maybe someone would like to take them to experience that. Not because they landed on a steele pallet jack in a seated position. Luckily I didn't break my tail bone. It was a compressed spine. Once I stood up, it took 15 mins to walk 20 feet to call for help. I thought I'd end up permanently paralyzed. It hurt like hell. After three months of chiropractic care I was walking and driving just fine.

Please don't ever refer to Prince that way again. He became dependent on drugs initially prescribed for pain. I will show you what his pain looked like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnmjFJqpctQ

Disregard the foolish commentary. His canes and sceptors were not props

The first time I saw this vid, I bawled like a baby. The same exact thing happened seeing it again tonite. Don't nobody try to say he wasn't hurting

AA1slot said:

Please pardon me if someone else has mentioned this...had to leave and got behind in my reading...People Magazine has some expert saying that P may have known that the counterfeit drugs contained Fentanyl...,.,that he was that hooked and tookd it anyway. Ben Levenson, addiction expert and and founder of Origins Behavioral Healthcare who said the mislabeling pills is a well-known practive in illicit rx drug trade. That sucks. Guess he didnt get the news that the ME had to say or chose to ignore it.

It was reported that blood tests prior to his death determined he was NOT a long term user of Fentanyl. (Whatever "long term" means.) It was not specified which tests or when they were done. And yes it's a well known practice of the makers mis-labeling illicit drugs containing Fentanyl, but that still doesn't prove Prince was aware of it.

Hey everyone..I just got off work so I have a bunch of stuff swirling in my mind....

So what was he gettng at Walgreens then as they said he went multiple times before he died?

They are saying he didn't have a prescription in MN...then .. he must have been getting drugs off from a illegal source then it sounds like the pills were mixed with the fentanyl because street drugs could have anything in them.

If his clothes were all on backwards he probably was having respitory issues and quickly dressed to try and get some help....taking the elevator if you can't breath very well would make sense...but unfortunately he did not make it.

WHy wouldn't he have a prescription for the regular pain meds he was taking... the oxocdone or whatever its called.

What about the doctor that was there to try and help him? isn't he a suspect in giving him these drugs?

WHen he overdosed on the plane...wouldn't the hospital have tested him and that's how they knew he didn't have fentanyl ibn prior or know what all was in his system at the time?

Wow, you log off a couple of days and come back to 62 pages of underline disrespect based on bit part information; predominantly from a majority who seem to have spend most of their short time on here talking about Prince's death, rather than his wonderful life.


I don't mean newbies aren't welcome, but if we aren't talking about his brilliant work for the most, I'll quote Prince, "what the hell U come here 4?"

Mumio said:

nursev said:

Im bout to strike some nerves now...I find it truly sad that fans are willing to accept the ole drug addict rock star thing and will not even admit or consider that Prince may have had AIDS/ Cancer or was sick with something. The pictures dont lie folks, but keep the drug addict speculation going Again I say shame on the people who chose to SPIN THAT SHIT!

Girl, you know I am with you.

As convenient as it would be to believe the drug addict rock star theory, not buying it either.

AA1slot said:

Please pardon me if someone else has mentioned this...had to leave and got behind in my reading...People Magazine has some expert saying that P may have known that the counterfeit drugs contained Fentanyl...,.,that he was that hooked and tookd it anyway. Ben Levenson, addiction expert and and founder of Origins Behavioral Healthcare who said the mislabeling pills is a well-known practive in illicit rx drug trade. That sucks. Guess he didnt get the news that the ME had to say or chose to ignore it.

People Magazine, you say? Well, I'm sold! Christ this is so simple I can't believe it's even really an issue. Seems like Prince had a painkiller addiction and inadvertantly ate some that were counterfeit/black market, which very very often contain fentanyl. Fent is so cheap that heroin users get entire bags from dealers that are practically nothing BUT fentanyl. Only thing to investigate is where he got them and who gave them to him. The end.

Or... a gunman from the grassy knoll fired the phony hydros into his mouth after leaving the fake soundtage where they filmed the moon landing that he used as a hideout to stamp the pills.

Mumio said:

herb4 said:

wavesofbliss said:

which is not the same thing as saying someone murdered him. it is an important distiction to make. which is why kirk and meron lawyered up. they most likely procured or took possession of those illicit(knowingly or not) tablets and then passed them on to prince.

This. Totally agree. This right here is called "logic"

That and also they were the last persons known to be with him a day before his death. Per StarTrib, Hannah and Josh Melton were also with him at the music club that evening.

http://www.startribune.com/until-the-end-an-enigmaflashes-of-frailty-stand-out-in-prince-s-vibrant-final-months/376860181/

herb4 said:

herb4 said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

Yes I understand he was a private person and often sent all of the staff away. But if you were aware the man nearly DIED by overdose and the problem is so bad that staff were frantically trying to get him to an addiction specialist flying in from out of state to deal with a "grave medical emergency" (as reported)...employee or not, common sense should tell you that person should not be left alone! Especially if you had been working for him for decades and considered him a good friend. (Unless of course, him overdosing to near death was not a rare occurrence.)

It's still 20/20 hindsight though. If he'd woken up the next morning and met the doctor(s) he was supposed to, everyone would be luading his support system. Prince's people did what they were told.

Still wrong.

rogifan said:

herb4 said:

Thank you. I was gonna post it if someone else didn't. "Oh my stars and garters? Not WEED?!" What teh fuck year is this again? You guys act like people were banging junk with rusty needles filled with toilet water.

Good lord, this thread is insane. It's clear from the tone of it that many people are "zero tolerance" types and appraently have never ever met a functioning, high acheiving memeber of society who ever smoked pot, dropped LDS or took pain pills. It's expressed in the inherent defensiveness of people inventing reasons why Prince was murdered instead of believing what's staring them right in the face: that dude had a problem.

Doesn't make him a "junkie" and there's no reason to be so binary in the judgement. At least for me there's not. A lot of my favorite friends and artists have used drugs. Some had problems. Some died. Prince accidentally overdosing doesn't for one second lessen anything he did in his life and jumping through to hoops to dismiss the obvious is a diservice to responisble drug users and addicts alike.

Quick poll: For all the "he was murdered" people: What are your thoughts on 9/11, Building 17 and the moon landing?

Jill Jones specifically mentioned this in her FB post. If this was nothing to see move along because it's just weed why would she have had reason to call it out. Clearly she thought it odd that people in his entourage would be smoking weed.

Again, 20/20 hindsight, remorse, guilt, etc. Like when a friend or loved one commits suicide, people second guess themselves and the "signs". Youre delusional if you think members of Prince's entourage never smoked a bowl or snorted a line over the years. Some of them got caught but likely some of them didnt either.

Christ, Prince was friends with Miles Davis and George Fucking Clinton, two of the most notorious dope fiends on the planet.

herb4 said:

AA1slot said:

Please pardon me if someone else has mentioned this...had to leave and got behind in my reading...People Magazine has some expert saying that P may have known that the counterfeit drugs contained Fentanyl...,.,that he was that hooked and tookd it anyway. Ben Levenson, addiction expert and and founder of Origins Behavioral Healthcare who said the mislabeling pills is a well-known practive in illicit rx drug trade. That sucks. Guess he didnt get the news that the ME had to say or chose to ignore it.

People Magazine, you say? Well, I'm sold! Christ this is so simple I can't believe it's even really an issue. Seems like Prince had a painkiller addiction and inadvertantly ate some that were counterfeit/black market, which very very often contain fentanyl. Fent is so cheap that heroin users get entire bags from dealers that are practically nothing BUT fentanyl. Only thing to investigate is where he got them and who gave them to him. The end.

Or... a gunman from the grassy knoll fired the phony hydros into his mouth after leaving the fake soundtage where they filmed the moon landing that he used as a hideout to stamp the pills.

Was only mentioning it....doesnt mean the guy is right....they also mention the anonymous LE source as well...giving it a balanced approach. We will likely know soon enough what the real deal was or at least close to it.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

I'm not on drugs but I am on whine! or wine?

Seriously folks, it doesnt matter whether P was an addict, or trying to manage pain.

What matters most is who purchased the lethal illicit drugs for P?

This is something for which there appears there is no answer at this time.

We may need to live with this scenario.

Because it appears no one willing to answer.

The enablers will never come forward.

And there are many. Many.....

All I know is that we have lost a musical genius and I may never be the same.

Right there with you, man.

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

AA1slot said:

Please pardon me if someone else has mentioned this...had to leave and got behind in my reading...People Magazine has some expert saying that P may have known that the counterfeit drugs contained Fentanyl...,.,that he was that hooked and tookd it anyway. Ben Levenson, addiction expert and and founder of Origins Behavioral Healthcare who said the mislabeling pills is a well-known practive in illicit rx drug trade. That sucks. Guess he didnt get the news that the ME had to say or chose to ignore it.

It was reported that blood tests prior to his death determined he was NOT a long term user of Fentanyl. (Whatever "long term" means.) It was not specified which tests or when they were done. And yes it's a well known practice of the makers mis-labeling illicit drugs containing Fentanyl, but that still doesn't prove Prince was aware of it.

Correct

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

herb4 said:

It's still 20/20 hindsight though. If he'd woken up the next morning and met the doctor(s) he was supposed to, everyone would be luading his support system. Prince's people did what they were told.

Still wrong.

That's it? I may as well post "nuh-uh! You're wrong!"

I've had drug addicted friends and family members. I'm a recovering addict myself. I've tended to terminally ill family members. NONE of them were my employer, especially an egocentric, private, rich, independent one like Prince. He probably seemed fine and he said "go home and get some sleep" or "I'd like to be alone and get some rest, OK?"

You think they're gonna argue with him?

"But Prince, just last week you were..."

"GO HOME. Now. PLease"

"But I..."

"I'm FINE. Don't worry. Thank you"

"Are you sure that...?"

*Icy Prince stare*

*person leaves*

*Prince unwittingly pops a pill and dies*

nursev said:

wisdom7 said:

Even if he had aids or some other illness, he died of a Fentanyl overdose, not aids or cancer. He took a potent dose of Fentanyl. I have a different theory. I believe the story that the drug dealer told in the article dated two days after Prince died. It makes a lot of sense and I don't believe anyone could make that good of a story up.

True he died of an overdose but what Im saying is that scenario was created by giving him Fentanyl. Prince was dying anyway the pics dont lie people. Someone wanted him gone alot quicker

Apparently no one believes that all the spin surrounding our man's death could be playing out according to a script created to hide the real reason why he isn't here right now? You know....to protect the legacy? No, of course not...nobody could EVER be so clever to set up and execute a plan like that. Right? RIGHT?

Vox said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I'm not on drugs but I am on whine! or wine?

Seriously folks, it doesnt matter whether P was an addict, or trying to manage pain.

What matters most is who purchased the lethal illicit drugs for P?

This is something for which there appears there is no answer at this time.

We may need to live with this scenario.

Because it appears no one willing to answer.

The enablers will never come forward.

And there are many. Many.....

All I know is that we have lost a musical genius and I may never be the same.

Right there with you, man.

Agreed. A LOT of us and a lot of things won't ever be the same.

PurpleMusic07 said:

There is only one organizaion that could possibly be leaking the same narrative to sevral different news sources. Whether it's fentanyl(illicit or prescribed), that narrative was leaked in April before the autopsy to TMZ. Percocet narratve also leaked in April to TMZ. U-47700 was leaked in July on REDDIT. Lidocaine and Alprazolam narrative leaked in August to Star Tribune.

I dont think they need to come up with a "theory". It's already known. The trick is to get someone to co-operate. There should be only 3 real good suspects. One of them will crack soon.

rogifan said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

That and also they were the last persons known to be with him a day before his death. Per StarTrib, Hannah and Josh Melton were also with him at the music club that evening.

http://www.startribune.com/until-the-end-an-enigmaflashes-of-frailty-stand-out-in-prince-s-vibrant-final-months/376860181/

I'm going to take a wild guess that Josh and Hannah didn't know what was going on. Whether they suspected anything we'll never know. Outside of their initial statements on Prince's passing they haven't said anything. Hannah is somewhat active on Twitter. Josh has only posted a couple times since April, once was on Prince's birthday. But there's no question in my mind Kirk and Meron knew what was going on. The question is were they enabling or trying to get him help.

Possibly (and probably) both - enabling vs. help

herb4 said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

Still wrong.

That's it? I may as well post "nuh-uh! You're wrong!"

I've had drug addicted friends and family members. I'm a recovering addict myself. I've tended to terminally ill family members. NONE of them were my employer, especially an egocentric, private, rich, independent one like Prince. He probably seemed fine and he said "go home and get some sleep" or "I'd like to be alone and get some rest, OK?"

You think they're gonna argue with him?

"But Prince, just last week you were..."

"GO HOME. Now. PLease"

"But I..."

"I'm FINE. Don't worry. Thank you"

"Are you sure that...?"

*Icy Prince stare*

*person leaves*

*Prince unwittingly pops a pill and dies*

well there it is..... I can see him pushing folks away. He was good at that.

Fucked up thing, and the thing that bugs me the most, is that even if it's PROVEN that this was a simple case of an opioid addict battling the disease who unwittingly caught a "hot shot" through illicit means, I'd estimate that roughly a third of the lunatics in this thread STILL won't believe it.

If evidence comes out that he WAS murdered (which I highly doubt), I'll be the first one to say "holy shit! Boy was I wrong about that!" The more defensive, protective conspiracy minded types though, I suspect, will NEVER do that and will refuse to believe any information that comes out.