LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

if he was in late stages of aids or cancer, he would not be buying drugs on the street. hospice doctors dispense hardcore pain meds to keep people in these situations pain free, and they do not have to be in a hopsice facility, lots of people have hospice doctors come to their homes.if he was dying of a disease and in pain, he would not have been turned away by any doctor for pain meds. the fact that he was buying on the street tells me he did not have an underlying illness.

Good point with regard to a terminal illness.

Now CNN is saying pills were mislabled http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/22/health/prince-pills-fentanyl/index.html

this is strange.. unless Prince himself put them in different bottles.. this looks sketchy as fuck.

laurarichardson said:

endiadj said:

Cause we have fact that he died of a drug od and we don't have fact that he had aids/cancer, etc.

-- Dr. S is a critical care doctor not a pain mgmt doctor. Pain pills cause organ damage this is a fact for anyone taking them.

Where did this information come from that Dr. S is a critical care doctor?

endiadj said:

teach49 said:

That's what the initial reports said as well. Maybe he does family medicine, too? Sounds a bit odd to me, though, but who knows. Could be the early reports got it wrong.

It states he is a family practitioner, all around doc.

Vague pronoun reference. What is "it"? His bio somewhere?

Oh, this thread is too hard to keep up with. Someone up the thread has posted a link to a bio that describes him as a critical care doctor. I'm too overwhelmed to find it at the moment. I've never run into a family practitioner who is also a CC doc, but I leave it to the medical people to sort this one out. Either way, he left his job immediately (not sure why that was necessary) but spoke to police and now is speaking through his lawyer (which makes sense).

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

endiadj said: -- Dr. S is a critical care doctor not a pain mgmt doctor. Pain pills cause organ damage this is a fact for anyone taking them.

Where did this information come from that Dr. S is a critical care doctor?

Another poster stated he was a critical care doc. I'd never read that before. Everything I've read stated that Shulenberg is a family practitioner.

Dolphinking23 said:

CROWNS1 said:

It's sad to read so many derogatory posts about 'junkies'. ANYONE, and I mean ANYONE who is addicted to a drug to the point of buying it off the streets is a 'junkie'. Being rich and famous doesn't negate that fact. It was more than likely people in his inner circle giving him that same pass that allowed him to abuse the drug as long as he did and ultimately result in his death. There are PLENTY of 'junkies' out there who are still alive, and yet Prince wasn't a 'junkie'? (I hate the word junkie). I feel certain that no one, not the homeless man in the streets drunk all day, not the prostitute selling herself to get money for crack, not the rich rock star in his mansion using drugs...NO ONE, wakes up each day and says "I'm so glad to be an addict". So maybe if we used the word addict for EVERYONE, and just throw "junkie" out the window, we can be respectful to EVERYONE who suffers from addiction. First and foremost, Prince was human.

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One of the very few necessary posts on this giant thread.

morningsong said:

rogifan said:

Ack...I saw on FB that TMZ is calling it murder. I refuse to go to their website so I don't know if they actually know something or are just guessing that based on the Star Tribune and AP reports.

That's interesting. All I've got to say on that until I hear exactly how they worded that.

If you want to share a link to a page without giving it clicks/SEO credit, use archive.is.

Here's a link to that TMZ article that won't increase TMZ's page view count - https://archive.is/LHHTV

But archive.is won't protect you from teh stupid.

endiadj said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Where did this information come from that Dr. S is a critical care doctor?

Another poster stated he was a critical care doc. I'd never read that before. Everything I've read stated that Shulenberg is a family practitioner.

It's quite possible that there are two Dr. Shulenberg's and one is a critical care doc and the other is a family practitioner. Just saying..

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teach49 said:

endiadj said:

It states he is a family practitioner, all around doc.

Vague pronoun reference. What is "it"? His bio somewhere?

Oh, this thread is too hard to keep up with. Someone up the thread has posted a link to a bio that describes him as a critical care doctor. I'm too overwhelmed to find it at the moment. I've never run into a family practitioner who is also a CC doc, but I leave it to the medical people to sort this one out. Either way, he left his job immediately (not sure why that was necessary) but spoke to police and now is speaking through his lawyer (which makes sense).

Sorry, looking him up on google. Everything I see states he's a family practitioner, from ST, USA Today, NYT.

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rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

--- It is a murder investigation. If they catch anyone they law will go far manslaugter but that is just legal terms. Whoever gave him stuff killed him.

I still want to know who these two young chicks were smoking weed in that bathroom. Why would Prince have people like that around him.

Its weed, relax,, you think Vanity snorted all the blow by herself when they were together

Dolphinking23 said:

Now CNN is saying pills were mislabled http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/22/health/prince-pills-fentanyl/index.html

this is strange.. unless Prince himself put them in different bottles.. this looks sketchy as fuck.

That is the same thing as was reported earlier. The pills that actually contained Fentanyl and whatever else were actually labeled (stamped on the pill) as being Hydrocodone. They are not talking about a prescription label on a bottle, but the identifying marks actually stamped on each pill. Drug dealers are manufacturing these bootleg drugs and people have been dying as a result.

wisdom7 said:

endiadj said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Where did this information come from that Dr. S is a critical care doctor?

Another poster stated he was a critical care doc. I'd never read that before. Everything I've read stated that Shulenberg is a family practitioner.

intensivist means that he has had extra training in a critical care filed at some point, it does not mean that he was a critical care doctor, he was practicing general medicine

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PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

laurarichardson said:

endiadj said: -- Dr. S is a critical care doctor not a pain mgmt doctor. Pain pills cause organ damage this is a fact for anyone taking them.

Wasn't this Dr. Schulenberg treating Prince because Kirk referred him as it is also Kirk's doctor? Is Kirk critically ill?

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Everywhere that I look, it says that Schulenberg is a family doctor.

https://www.healthgrades....berg-3xvlg

http://health.usnews.com/...erg-852656

http://www.vitals.com/doc...gQod-yoOXg

http://doctor.webmd.com/d...1-overview

teach49 said:

endiadj said:

Another poster stated he was a critical care doc. I'd never read that before. Everything I've read stated that Shulenberg is a family practitioner.

It's quite possible that there are two Dr. Shulenberg's and one is a critical care doc and the other is a family practitioner. Just saying..

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But the one that all the articles say treated Prince is a family practitioner.

nursev said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

endiadj said: -- Dr. S is a critical care doctor not a pain mgmt doctor. Pain pills cause organ damage this is a fact for anyone taking them.

Where did this information come from that Dr. S is a critical care doctor?

If you search 'Michael Schulenberg' MN md, the sites that come up first all say he's a "primary care" or "family practice" or "family medicine" doctor. but I just found ONE site that lists him as an "intensivist", which if you look that up is defined as a critical care doctor. I don't know how accurate that site is that lists him as an intensivist though - there's no picture, no hospital or clinic affiliation, nothing. no real info at all. Just lists him as a provider in Waconia, MN. I don't think that's a very accurate or reliable site but probably someone searched him, saw that site and that's where that bit of 'info' started. jmo

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Link: http://www.wellness.com/d...d#referrer

endiadj said:

teach49 said:

Vague pronoun reference. What is "it"? His bio somewhere?

Oh, this thread is too hard to keep up with. Someone up the thread has posted a link to a bio that describes him as a critical care doctor. I'm too overwhelmed to find it at the moment. I've never run into a family practitioner who is also a CC doc, but I leave it to the medical people to sort this one out. Either way, he left his job immediately (not sure why that was necessary) but spoke to police and now is speaking through his lawyer (which makes sense).

Sorry, looking him up on google. Everything I see states he's a family practitioner, from ST, USA Today, NYT.

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Thanks! Same here. I never saw any reports that he was a critical care doctor.

rogifan said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

The jist is "there will be no Conrad Murray-esq trial for P's murder."

Well just the fact they're using the word murder...

I believe it's because the TMZ article said that whoever supplied the pills to Prince would face a 3rd degree murder charge under Minnesota law.

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

if he was in late stages of aids or cancer, he would not be buying drugs on the street. hospice doctors dispense hardcore pain meds to keep people in these situations pain free, and they do not have to be in a hopsice facility, lots of people have hospice doctors come to their homes.if he was dying of a disease and in pain, he would not have been turned away by any doctor for pain meds. the fact that he was buying on the street tells me he did not have an underlying illness.

Good point with regard to a terminal illness.

Unless it hadn't been medically CONFIRMED that he had a critical illness...

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Maybe P suspected it; was having awful symptoms - but was in denial...Maybe the incident on the 'plane forced him (and / or others) to confront it, go to the doctor for further tests - and it was the results of those being brought on the morning he was found.

endiadj said:

teach49 said:

It's quite possible that there are two Dr. Shulenberg's and one is a critical care doc and the other is a family practitioner. Just saying..

[Edited 8/22/16 15:02pm]

But the one that all the articles say treated Prince is a family practitioner.

Thanks for solving that mystery. Crazy place this thread.

Superconductor said:

Wow this thread is insane! The most plausible and rational explanation at this point in time is that Prince was addicted to prescription pain killers and overdosed on black market pills laced with fentanyl. He hid the pills in various bottles and places and this had been going on for a while. Given he got into trouble the week before he died, this is just reckless. The morale of the story: One, don't buy into the public persona, he was human after all. And two, life is short so focus on having close famliy and friends you can trust and love you for the person you are. As Prince's cousin said, be free to say to your next of kin - hey I am not feeling well, help me.

Yep to this.. Its almost as if no one on here has done drugs before..The quid pro quo in street drugs is you accept the inherant risk that you just might lose your life as you dont know what you are getting.. In a one mile radious last week in WV 30 people OD in a 24 hr period.. Whether it was spiked or not is irrelevant, hat is relevant is that they and Prince wanted to take illict and lllegal drugs..Not casting judgement as i have a weed one hitter in my hand now

endiadj said:

teach49 said:

endiadj said:

But the one that all the articles say treated Prince is a family practitioner.

Thanks for solving that mystery. Crazy place this thread.

intensivist means that he has had extra training in a critical care filed at some point, it does not mean that he was a critical care doctor, he was practicing general medicine

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

Dolphinking23 said:

Now CNN is saying pills were mislabled http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/22/health/prince-pills-fentanyl/index.html

this is strange.. unless Prince himself put them in different bottles.. this looks sketchy as fuck.

That is the same thing as was reported earlier. The pills that actually contained Fentanyl and whatever else were actually labeled (stamped on the pill) as being Hydrocodone. They are not talking about a prescription label on a bottle, but the identifying marks actually stamped on each pill. Drug dealers are manufacturing these bootleg drugs and people have been dying as a result.

wow i'm speechless.

loveandkindness said:

Ya know Prince did not die of a hydrocodone overdose...Prince died of a fentenyal overdose from pills marked WATSON. This manufacture has had problems in the past it's totally possible these pills were a quality control issue at the manufacturing plant...that produces both drugs....kinda like peanuts in the soy butter... NOw Prince could have had a prescription from any other Doctor than his home state ... Or perhaps these pills were made from some black market Chinese drug lab and stamped Watson at buyers request or sellers request for obvious reasons....Prince was seeking help and what my heart tells me he was trying to manage..he was not in good health but people until the day he passed over he loved his fans, he loved his musicians his family and he loved God. My hugs are to each and everyone of you and his family. Today I choose Harvest for the World by the Isley brothers as my song pic of the day...

Phizer and any other major pharna is not going to mislabel drugs and allow them to be out there..Stop moving the onus off of him

Dolphinking23 said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

CharlieGriffin said:

This is just my own speculation, but if Prince dressed himself and put his pants on backwards, maybe they were not the type of pants with a button and zipper, maybe they were like sweat pants with an elastic waist that can easily be turned backwards if he wasn't in control of his faculties. Hell, I've put my own draws on backward sober, and I'm an old broad. It's also easy to put a tshirt on backwards. I do that often too, but it feels funny, so I correct it.

What distresses me is that it was said that he appeared to have been dead at least six hours. That means he was probably in full rigormortis, which would have been very, very traumatic for his staff to see.

Yes but that is also why I don't understand why first responders would have begun performing CPR (as was stated in the warrant). Any trained paramedic or sheriff should be able to immediately realize he was gone.

I thought of that too, but maybe they did it in hopes that there was some glimmer of hope left and to appease the witnesses. If they just loaded him on the stretcher without attempting any life saving measures, witnesses might have claimed EMTs did nothing to help and contributed to his death. Whatever happened is going to be discussed ad infinitum.