leadline said:

lwr001 said:

he reciecved two narcan shot to revive..but yeah it wasnt an OD ..Create whatever narrative you want .to make your self feel good

Nobody is saying he didn't OD, but it if was foul play, he was ingesting those drugs without his knowledge....right before he sat down to have that calm, pleasant conversation with Judith Hill where he stopped talking mid sentence.

so, someone crushed them and put them in his food?

lwr001 said:

leadline said:

Nobody is saying he didn't OD, but it if was foul play, he was ingesting those drugs without his knowledge....right before he sat down to have that calm, pleasant conversation with Judith Hill where he stopped talking mid sentence.

so, someone crushed them and put them in his food?

'If' it was foul play and someone had the intent to harm him? Sure I suppose that could be one possibility.

starting to think he was placed in the elevator after the fact. the details about the clothes are haunting ...

rogifan said:

Who is the source for the 2 narcan shots?

its in the Star trib article,,,

rogifan said:

Who is the source for the 2 narcan shots?

I've wondered this myself. In the articles I read, it was not stated explicitly. And Judith Hill didn't say anything about it.

Maybe in one of the article used the plural "shots"? I know the medics and the hospital have not confirmed anything.

terrig said:

starting to think he was placed in the elevator after the fact. the details about the clothes are haunting ...

once again, if rigor mortis set in, you 'd have to break the arms and bones of people to put clothes on ,

lwr001 said:

CooperC62057 said:

Bottom line. Autopsy says fentanyl. No prescription for that? Believe it got there however you see it - he knew, he didn't, someone fed it to him - everyone's opinion is their right. Fentanyl doesn't belong in your system naturally. If it was there for any reason other than a normal dosage prescribed by a doctor, it is murder and someone is responsible. Someone needs to be held accountable.

it's not murder , Prince and soley Prince is responsible for wht he puts in his system, period

I get what you saying. And it is possible (come to think of it) that Prince had had an off and on again drug problem for 20 years. But I am still not buying the extreme version of the tale that that dealer was selling. It seems illogical.

as for accountibility, Prince already paid the ultimate price. But the fault doesn't lie just with him. He was addicted. People who facilitate or aid in someone's unintentional self destruction should bare some responsibility as well even if it wasn't with malicious intent. It is hypocrical otherwise. Otherwise, we should just legalize all drugs and let addicts have easy assess. We can't have a war on drugs but turn our back on someone whose death was facilitated by either enablers or a mislabeled bottle of pills. I have mixed feelings about the war on drugs as well (and like Chris Rock once said drug dealers are not pushers because no one ever had to push drugs) But to help an addict access these drugs and/or to possibly give him stronger drugs than he was anticipating does seem a bit illegal to me.

lwr001 said:

rogifan said:

Who is the source for the 2 narcan shots?

its in the Star trib article,,,

Aah...I was too distracted by the whole scene to catch that detail.

purplerabbithole said:

lwr001 said:

it's not murder , Prince and soley Prince is responsible for wht he puts in his system, period

I get what you saying. And it is possible (come to think of it) that Prince had had an off and on again drug problem for 20 years. But I am still not buying the extreme version of the tale that that dealer was selling. It seems illogical.

as for accountibility, Prince already paid the ultimate price. But the fault doesn't lie just with him. He was addicted. People who facilitate or aid in someone's unintentional self destruction should bare some responsibility as well even if it wasn't with malicious intent. It is hypocrical otherwise. Otherwise, we should just legalize all drugs and let addicts have easy assess. We can't have a war on drugs but turn our back on someone whose death was facilitated by either enablers or a mislabeled bottle of pills. I have mixed feelings about the war on drugs as well (and like Chris Rock once said drug dealers are not pushers because no one ever had to push drugs) But to help an addict access these drugs and/or to possibly give him stronger drugs than he was anticipating does seem a bit illegal to me.

which is fine and i'd agree with you on that point..with that said, dude was very specific of the fentynal..

leadline said:

lwr001 said:

so, someone crushed them and put them in his food?

'If' it was foul play and someone had the intent to harm him? Sure I suppose that could be one possibility.

Speculating on this someone could have switched pills in Atlanta.

rogifan said:

Who is the source for the 2 narcan shots?

I thought it originated from TMZ on 21/4:

4/21/2016 4:51 PM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

Prince was treated for a drug overdose 6 days before his death ... multiple sources tell TMZ.

We broke the story ... Prince's private jet made an emergency landing in Moline, Illinois last Friday, hours after he performed in Atlanta. At the time his reps said he was battling the flu ... something we questioned because his plane was only 48 minutes from home before the unscheduled landing.

Multiple sources in Moline tell us, Prince was rushed to a hospital and doctors gave him a "save shot" ... typically administered to counteract the effects of an opiate.

Our sources further say doctors advised Prince to stay in the hospital for 24 hours. His people demanded a private room, and when they were told that wasn't possible ... Prince and co. decided to bail. The singer was released 3 hours after arriving and flew home. We're told when Prince left he "was not doing well."

So "multiple sources in Moline" - no mention of what type like from the hospital, airport or whatever. Bizzare.

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LuxLove said:

muleFunk said:

leadline said:

'If' it was foul play and someone had the intent to harm him? Sure I suppose that could be one possibility.

Speculating on this someone could have switched pills in Atlanta.

,,it could be he knew exatly what he was getting and used the mislabel for the ability to bypass TSA scrutiny etc...Peopel do just that all the time

prince was not on the street buying drugs, someone was buying them for him. if the medication in the bottle did not match the label there are 3 possabilities, prince put the fentanyl in the hydrocodone bottle to disguise it, the dealer who sold the drugs gave the wrong pills, (not sure on the price difference between fentanyl and hydrocodone, so financially this might not make sence for a drug dealer to do), or soembody else switched the pills on purpose, knowing how many pills prince would take thinking it was hydrocodone. could someone have been switching the pills on purpose for a while? and prince didn't even know he was taking fentanyl? could someone have purposefully got him addictided to fentanyl? i am not a conspiracy person at all, but as the vast majority of people here have felt that something was seruously wrong with the death story, and now this...the purple beast needs to rise up!! i am so mad!! we need to so something

lwr001 said:

terrig said:

starting to think he was placed in the elevator after the fact. the details about the clothes are haunting ...

once again, if rigor mortis set in, you 'd have to break the arms and bones of people to put clothes on ,

That's assuming no one was with him as we've been told. If so, then you're right. But if this article is true, then it's a whole new ballgame.

We have assumed since the autopsy report that P took fentanyll on purpose. We have assumed he knew it. We have questioned how they knew it was self-administered and "accidental" (might he have done it on purpose?). If this article is true and he didn't know he was taking fentynal and that there was so much fentanyl in his system that it would have killed anyone of any size, then this narrative has just changed dramatically (and I'm not talking murder, but I am calling into question everything we've been told).

From the article:

Pills marked as hydrocodone that were seized from Paisley Park after Prince’s overdose death actually contained fentanyl, the powerful opioid that killed him, according to a source with knowledge of the investigation.

The musician, who weighed only 112 pounds at the time of his death April 21, had so much of the drug in his system, autopsy results later showed, that it would have killed anyone, regardless of size, the source said.

Prince did not possess a prescription for fentanyl, a synthetic opioid that has been described as 100 times more powerful than morphine, the source said.

Despite the finding, investigators still aren’t certain how the 57-year-old megastar ingested the fentanyl. However, they are leaning toward the theory that he took the pills not knowing they contained the drug.

MAJOR !

rogifan said:

So Star Tribune is the source for the 2 shots meaning once again unnamed sources. Doesn't automatically mean it's false but also doesn't mean we should assume it as fact either. Again initial reports claimed Prince didn't stay at the hospital because he couldn't get a private room yet Judith Hill told us something different.

so, you dont lijke TMZ, Enquirer, or Star Trib? I've never really read an article where they say, DR such and such stated,....

lwr001 said:

muleFunk said:

From the article:

Pills marked as hydrocodone that were seized from Paisley Park after Prince’s overdose death actually contained fentanyl, the powerful opioid that killed him, according to a source with knowledge of the investigation.

The musician, who weighed only 112 pounds at the time of his death April 21, had so much of the drug in his system, autopsy results later showed, that it would have killed anyone, regardless of size, the source said.

Prince did not possess a prescription for fentanyl, a synthetic opioid that has been described as 100 times more powerful than morphine, the source said.

Despite the finding, investigators still aren’t certain how the 57-year-old megastar ingested the fentanyl. However, they are leaning toward the theory that he took the pills not knowing they contained the drug.

MAJOR !

This.

teach49 said:

lwr001 said:

terrig said:

starting to think he was placed in the elevator after the fact. the details about the clothes are haunting ...

once again, if rigor mortis set in, you 'd have to break the arms and bones of people to put clothes on ,

of course, but we're assuming he was alone, and clothes were put on when he was officially 'found'.

if there was no attempt to make a phone call -(no phone in his private suite?) if he was so out of it after he took the pill he got dressed wrong ...and was going down to the studio and collpased entirely unknowing ...i'd rather hope it was that.

muleFunk said:

From the article:

Pills marked as hydrocodone that were seized from Paisley Park after Prince’s overdose death actually contained fentanyl, the powerful opioid that killed him, according to a source with knowledge of the investigation.

The musician, who weighed only 112 pounds at the time of his death April 21, had so much of the drug in his system, autopsy results later showed, that it would have killed anyone, regardless of size, the source said.

Prince did not possess a prescription for fentanyl, a synthetic opioid that has been described as 100 times more powerful than morphine, the source said.

Despite the finding, investigators still aren’t certain how the 57-year-old megastar ingested the fentanyl. However, they are leaning toward the theory that he took the pills not knowing they contained the drug.

MAJOR !

which is fine , yet he did indeed know he was taking Vicodin, illegally, whcih if you take enough of those, same result,,,You cannot absolve him from his role in his own death

lwr001 said:

jumanji2016 said:

lwr001 said:

wrong its fromj 2013 when he presntted gyote SOY He looked amazing ,,vibrant and not in distress..if you all want to sit here and go back and forth over the dichotomy of those twp ics and blame lighting, then you all need to step away from the org as the truth willbe forever ellusive to you

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LOL. Shutup, weirdo. This isn't Hogwarts.

Im a weirdo,, really..?i l

purplerabbithole said:

leadline said:

Of course he doesn't, the lighting is horrible, it's a frame that is not very flattering. I bet a few frames later he looked absolutely fine. We gotta stop taking these crappy pictures and making assumptions when the feet on the street (those close to him) all have said nothing looked wrong.

But I watched him perform in a clip on the internet (not gonna say where because I would like the footage to remain up) How Come U don't call me anymore? from the Piano and A Microphone tour. He sounded great but looked really bad. I don't mean just old or skinny. He's been pretty skinny in the past (mid 1990's) but his teeth seemed to be proturding out of his mouth, his neck looked really thin, his shoulder blades stuck out badly (even in loose clothes) and the effort to get through the song was apparent. He had energy and joy but the physical stamina seemed forced.

As for the condition of the afro, I assume that afro's are not always easy to maintain, but his looked pretty damn bad. I can't find a picture of that performance but his appearance was definitely worse than the picture I provided. I don't think you could find a flattering frame from that performance.

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I agree with you as I saw it for the first time yesterday and I couldn't watch the whole thing as it made me sad, it isn't how I wish to remember him.

rogifan said:

teach49 said:

That's assuming no one was with him as we've been told. If so, then you're right. But if this article is true, then it's a whole new ballgame.

We have assumed since the autopsy report that P took fentanyll on purpose. We have assumed he knew it. We have questioned how they knew it was self-administered and "accidental" (might he have done it on purpose?). If this article is true and he didn't know he was taking fentynal and that there was so much fentanyl in his system that it would have killed anyone of any size, then this narrative has just changed dramatically (and I'm not talking murder, but I am calling into question everything we've been told).

Do you have a link to the autopsy report. I wasn't aware one was released. I thought we only got the one pager from the medical examiner.

Yeah, it's the death certificate and it does say the cause of death is fentanyl toxicity...accidental and self-administered. I'll try to dig it up.

Some have wondered how they knew it was accidental, but if he thought he was taking something else, well, there you go.

lwr001 said:

i know they said his clothes were on backwards, but did they mean inside out? inside out maybe, when you pull your clothes off and through them on the floor they are usually wadded up, so you would have to straighten them out in some fashion, especially socks, so he was aware enough to un-wad his clothes and then put everything on backwards? if in fact the source really did mean backwards, that is an entirely different story that looks more like a fuck you message, and then i would agree that the elevator placement was a fuck you as well...i am shaking i am so mad and sad, literally

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