tmo1965 said:

laurarichardson said:

tmo1965 said: --- Some of the documents state that the claims do not meet the standards for a DNA is this done deal for those people or does the judge make a final decision? It looks like the docs are over a week old so maybe a final decision and DNA have already been done?

Those who don't meet the standards for a DNA test are out \, but they have the right to appeal, I think. They won't even be permitted to take a DNA test.

Those who dont meet the standards are able to file Objections to the Judge. He is the one who will make the final ruling on the issue. Then from there they have a right to appeal to a higher court. Carlin Q's attorney is still filing pleadings with the Court and I am unsure why he is doing so.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

tmo1965 said:

Those who don't meet the standards for a DNA test are out \, but they have the right to appeal, I think. They won't even be permitted to take a DNA test.

Those who dont meet the standards are able to file Objections to the Judge. He is the one who will make the final ruling on the issue. Then from there they have a right to appeal to a higher court. Carlin Q's attorney is still filing pleadings with the Court and I am unsure why he is doing so.

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Those who don't make the court standards are not prevented from paying for their own *legitimate* DNA test and submitting it to the court, hoping for an order to compare the results to Prince's DNA.

Duane's relatives, still refusing to take the DNA tests, obviously know that Duane was not related to Prince - and are hoping for a "relationship" ruling. That's touchy, because Duane was referred to as Prince's brother for many years. It wasn't until John L died that Duane was excluded.

laytonian said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Those who dont meet the standards are able to file Objections to the Judge. He is the one who will make the final ruling on the issue. Then from there they have a right to appeal to a higher court. Carlin Q's attorney is still filing pleadings with the Court and I am unsure why he is doing so.

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Those who don't make the court standards are not prevented from paying for their own *legitimate* DNA test and submitting it to the court, hoping for an order to compare the results to Prince's DNA.

Duane's relatives, still refusing to take the DNA tests, obviously know that Duane was not related to Prince - and are hoping for a "relationship" ruling. That's touchy, because Duane was referred to as Prince's brother for many years. It wasn't until John L died that Duane was excluded.

Not only that, but when Duane died Tyka posted a message on FB or somewhere referring to Duane as her brother and asking for privacy. That was years after John died. I don't know if DNA was previously done and that proves Duane was not John's son. I find it very interesting that Duane's own siblings are stating that they don't have the same father.

tmo1965 said:

laytonian said:

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Those who don't make the court standards are not prevented from paying for their own *legitimate* DNA test and submitting it to the court, hoping for an order to compare the results to Prince's DNA.

Duane's relatives, still refusing to take the DNA tests, obviously know that Duane was not related to Prince - and are hoping for a "relationship" ruling. That's touchy, because Duane was referred to as Prince's brother for many years. It wasn't until John L died that Duane was excluded.

Not only that, but when Duane died Tyka posted a message on FB or somewhere referring to Duane as her brother and asking for privacy. That was years after John died. I don't know if DNA was previously done and that proves Duane was not John's son. I find it very interesting that Duane's own siblings are stating that they don't have the same father.

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I think it's very possible that they all called him brother because they thought he was, but in the end (when John's estate was cleared), it was important to get to the truth. And they did.

DNA testing would have been the easiest way to do it.

Tyka didn't list him as a relation in even the earliest filings for Prince's estate and he wasn't included in John's estate distribution, so it's likely that "brother" had become the common way to acknowledge him. By the time he died, it was better to keep the "brother" thing going publicly than explain.

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http://www.startribune.co...d in 2013).

http://www.findagrave.com... for duane

Family. It's all so complicated.

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laytonian said:

tmo1965 said:

Not only that, but when Duane died Tyka posted a message on FB or somewhere referring to Duane as her brother and asking for privacy. That was years after John died. I don't know if DNA was previously done and that proves Duane was not John's son. I find it very interesting that Duane's own siblings are stating that they don't have the same father.

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I think it's very possible that they all called him brother because they thought he was, but in the end (when John's estate was cleared), it was important to get to the truth. And they did.

DNA testing would have been the easiest way to do it.

Tyka didn't list him as a relation in even the earliest filings for Prince's estate and he wasn't included in John's estate distribution, so it's likely that "brother" had become the common way to acknowledge him. By the time he died, it was better to keep the "brother" thing going publicly than explain.

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http://www.startribune.co...d in 2013).

http://www.findagrave.com... for duane

Family. It's all so complicated.

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Oh damn he had lost his son too. No wonder he had devoloped a mental illness. My gut tells me he should be included with the other 6. I can't stop wondering why he wrote a song about Alfred by the way. Is he dissing him? His sisters talk highly about Alfred.

OzlemUcucu said:

laytonian said:

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I think it's very possible that they all called him brother because they thought he was, but in the end (when John's estate was cleared), it was important to get to the truth. And they did.

DNA testing would have been the easiest way to do it.

Tyka didn't list him as a relation in even the earliest filings for Prince's estate and he wasn't included in John's estate distribution, so it's likely that "brother" had become the common way to acknowledge him. By the time he died, it was better to keep the "brother" thing going publicly than explain.

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http://www.startribune.co...d in 2013).

http://www.findagrave.com... for duane

Family. It's all so complicated.

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Oh damn he had lost his son too. No wonder he had devoloped a mental illness. My gut tells me he should be included with the other 6. I can't stop wondering why he wrote a song about Alfred by the way. Is he dissing him? His sisters talk highly about Alfred

The discussion above is about Duane. Duane is deceased. Not Alfred. Alfred has been acknowledged to be a half-silbing to Prince. Youare confusing the two brothers. I can understand. It is very confusing.

I am a little confused on Claire Nelson's grounds to heirship. Just read her affadavit and left more confused than ever.

I would imagine this will be dismissed fairly quickly.

Edited: Sorry, just saw that her claim was dismissed for lack of evidence.

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nelcp777 said:

I am a little confused on Claire Nelson's grounds to heirship. Just read her affadavit and left more confused than ever.

I would imagine this will be dismissed fairly quickly.

Edited: Sorry, just saw that her claim was dismissed for lack of evidence.

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This is the second Affidavit of Heirship she has filed. Her second affidavit states the law firm that once represented Prince, saw her original affidavit, and immediately filed stating they were in possession of confidential information regarding heirs, because they know she is the secret wife of Prince .

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

OzlemUcucu said:

Oh damn he had lost his son too. No wonder he had devoloped a mental illness. My gut tells me he should be included with the other 6. I can't stop wondering why he wrote a song about Alfred by the way. Is he dissing him? His sisters talk highly about Alfred

The discussion above is about Duane. Duane is deceased. Not Alfred. Alfred has been acknowledged to be a half-silbing to Prince. Youare confusing the two brothers. I can understand. It is very confusing.

I think that OzlemUcucu is referring to the document where it is stated that Duane succumbed to mental illness and in his last 10 years he had become a recluse.

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http://www.mncourts.gov/m...-by-SA.pdf

See page 3

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

nelcp777 said:

I am a little confused on Claire Nelson's grounds to heirship. Just read her affadavit and left more confused than ever.

I would imagine this will be dismissed fairly quickly.

Edited: Sorry, just saw that her claim was dismissed for lack of evidence.

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This is the second Affidavit of Heirship she has filed. Her second affidavit states the law firm that once represented Prince, saw her original affidavit, and immediately filed stating they were in possession of confidential information regarding heirs, because they know she is the secret wife of Prince .

Nevermind that fact that Prince was married to Mani at the time she claims that she secretly married Prince.

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tmo1965 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The discussion above is about Duane. Duane is deceased. Not Alfred. Alfred has been acknowledged to be a half-silbing to Prince. Youare confusing the two brothers. I can understand. It is very confusing.

I think that OzlemUcucu is referring to the document where it is stated that Duane succumbed to mental illness and in his last 10 years he had become a recluse.

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http://www.mncourts.gov/m...-by-SA.pdf

See page 3

Wow! That is the first time I saw anyone state Duane had a mental illness. I saw the Affidavit of Heirship for both Briana and VYN (before they were sealed by the Court) and they do not refer to Duane having mental illness. I saw his death certificate in the affidavits and he died of some sort of gastrointesional disorder?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

tmo1965 said:

I think that OzlemUcucu is referring to the document where it is stated that Duane succumbed to mental illness and in his last 10 years he had become a recluse.

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http://www.mncourts.gov/m...-by-SA.pdf

See page 3

Wow! That is the first time I saw anyone state Duane had a mental illness. I saw the Affidavit of Heirship for both Briana and VYN (before they were sealed by the Court) and they do not refer to Duane having mental illness. I saw his death certificate in the affidavits and he died of some sort of gastrointesional disorder?

I saw the death certificate before they took it down, but yes Duane died of a gastrointestional disorder, but apparently he was also suffering from mental illness, which did not contribute his death. I read an article in the Star Tribune where CJ says that she saw Duane and that he had gained a lot of weight and appeared to have fallen on hard times. The whole thing is really sad.

tmo1965 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

This is the second Affidavit of Heirship she has filed. Her second affidavit states the law firm that once represented Prince, saw her original affidavit, and immediately filed stating they were in possession of confidential information regarding heirs, because they know she is the secret wife of Prince .

Nevermind that fact that Prince was married to Mani at the time she claims that she secretly married Prince.

Claire Nelson is the woman who claims she wed Prince in Vegas and also helped him write "I would die 4 u" which would have made her 9 years old (born in 65) and she claims they wrote this together Prince in 1974.

NikkiED said:

tmo1965 said:

Nevermind that fact that Prince was married to Mani at the time she claims that she secretly married Prince.

She's totally barking mad..... :- Makes interesting reading though.

tmo1965 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

tmo1965 said:

Those who don't meet the standards for a DNA test are out \, but they have the right to appeal, I think. They won't even be permitted to take a DNA test.

Those who dont meet the standards are able to file Objections to the Judge. He is the one who will make the final ruling on the issue. Then from there they have a right to appeal to a higher court. Carlin Q's attorney is still filing pleadings with the Court and I am unsure why he is doing so.

They can do almost whatever they want, AS LONG AS THEY ALL AGREE (for the most part). The Judge will only rule and get involved if they cannot come up with an arrangement, if someone is proposed to be excluded, AND they ALL agree on it.

This is just an example, for storytelling purposes-> I have seen estates go both ways. For example, if the beneficiaries of the estate want to include a stepbrother, AND they ALL agree with that, the Judge will go along with it. On the other hand, if the beneficiaries of the estate do not want to include a stepbrother, AND they ALL agree with that, the Judge may go along with that. Of course, if someone is being excluded, the Judge may have to rule. But if everyone wants a stepbrother included AND they ALL agree, the Judge will probably go along with it. (Well, he always seemed like a brother to us.......) This example is for storytelling purposes only.

There may also be other factors considered: How close was everyone in the family? How much time did they spend together? ETC.

If everyone gets together and tells the Judge that they want someone to be able to submit a DNA test, then the Judge would probably allow it.

mailaccount63 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Those who dont meet the standards are able to file Objections to the Judge. He is the one who will make the final ruling on the issue. Then from there they have a right to appeal to a higher court. Carlin Q's attorney is still filing pleadings with the Court and I am unsure why he is doing so.

They can do almost whatever they want, AS LONG AS THEY ALL AGREE (for the most part). The Judge will only rule and get involved if they cannot come up with an arrangement, if someone is proposed to be excluded, AND they ALL agree on it.

This is just an example, for storytelling purposes-> I have seen estates go both ways. For example, if the beneficiaries of the estate want to include a stepbrother, AND they ALL agree with that, the Judge will go along with it. On the other hand, if the beneficiaries of the estate do not want to include a stepbrother, AND they ALL agree with that, the Judge may go along with that. Of course, if someone is being excluded, the Judge may have to rule. But if everyone wants a stepbrother included AND they ALL agree, the Judge will probably go along with it. (Well, he always seemed like a brother to us.......) This example is for storytelling purposes only.

There may also be other factors considered: How close was everyone in the family? How much time did they spend together? ETC.

If everyone gets together and tells the Judge that they want someone to be able to submit a DNA test, then the Judge would probably allow it.

Even though Duane may not have been a blood brother, it certainly appears that the Nelson family, including John L and Prince accepted him as such. I'm curious to see how this one turns out.

tmo1965 said:

mailaccount63 said:

They can do almost whatever they want, AS LONG AS THEY ALL AGREE (for the most part). The Judge will only rule and get involved if they cannot come up with an arrangement, if someone is proposed to be excluded, AND they ALL agree on it.

This is just an example, for storytelling purposes-> I have seen estates go both ways. For example, if the beneficiaries of the estate want to include a stepbrother, AND they ALL agree with that, the Judge will go along with it. On the other hand, if the beneficiaries of the estate do not want to include a stepbrother, AND they ALL agree with that, the Judge may go along with that. Of course, if someone is being excluded, the Judge may have to rule. But if everyone wants a stepbrother included AND they ALL agree, the Judge will probably go along with it. (Well, he always seemed like a brother to us.......) This example is for storytelling purposes only.

There may also be other factors considered: How close was everyone in the family? How much time did they spend together? ETC.

If everyone gets together and tells the Judge that they want someone to be able to submit a DNA test, then the Judge would probably allow it.

Even though Duane may not have been a blood brother, it certainly appears that the Nelson family, including John L and Prince accepted him as such. I'm curious to see how this one turns out.

That is what I mean. For one of my estates, the kids came to me and said that that they didn't like how things were left in the decedent's (their father's Will). There were four kids, but because of asset valuations, the property split wasn't going to turn out to be an even 1/4, 1/4, 1/4,1/4. They wanted everything split evenly - even though one of the kids (foreign exchange student) wasn't actually a child of the decedent. "We grew up together - we did everything together." I asked the Judge - he said he didn't care, that they could do whatever they wanted as long as he had paperwork (waivers) when it was all over.

One of my brothers adopted a couple of kids. You are not "allowed" to mention the word "adoption" while the kids are around. They know they were adopted, but they are not treated like they were adopted. My brother wants the kids treated as though they are blood family.

Family is more than blood. If there is nurturing - an "I've got your back" mentality, THAT is family.

As long as the beneficiaries agree, and The Judge has his paperwork (waivers, etc.), what they (the beneficiaries) do here has great potential - as long as they ALL AGREE.

Of course, every Judge is different.....

(This is not legal advice.)

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mailaccount63 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Those who dont meet the standards are able to file Objections to the Judge. He is the one who will make the final ruling on the issue. Then from there they have a right to appeal to a higher court. Carlin Q's attorney is still filing pleadings with the Court and I am unsure why he is doing so.

They can do almost whatever they want, AS LONG AS THEY ALL AGREE (for the most part). The Judge will only rule and get involved if they cannot come up with an arrangement, if someone is proposed to be excluded, AND they ALL agree on it.

This is just an example, for storytelling purposes-> I have seen estates go both ways. For example, if the beneficiaries of the estate want to include a stepbrother, AND they ALL agree with that, the Judge will go along with it. On the other hand, if the beneficiaries of the estate do not want to include a stepbrother, AND they ALL agree with that, the Judge may go along with that. Of course, if someone is being excluded, the Judge may have to rule. But if everyone wants a stepbrother included AND they ALL agree, the Judge will probably go along with it. (Well, he always seemed like a brother to us.......) This example is for storytelling purposes only.

There may also be other factors considered: How close was everyone in the family? How much time did they spend together? ETC.

If everyone gets together and tells the Judge that they want someone to be able to submit a DNA test, then the Judge would probably allow it.

The siblings are not in agreement about Duane.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

mailaccount63 said:

They can do almost whatever they want, AS LONG AS THEY ALL AGREE (for the most part). The Judge will only rule and get involved if they cannot come up with an arrangement, if someone is proposed to be excluded, AND they ALL agree on it.

This is just an example, for storytelling purposes-> I have seen estates go both ways. For example, if the beneficiaries of the estate want to include a stepbrother, AND they ALL agree with that, the Judge will go along with it. On the other hand, if the beneficiaries of the estate do not want to include a stepbrother, AND they ALL agree with that, the Judge may go along with that. Of course, if someone is being excluded, the Judge may have to rule. But if everyone wants a stepbrother included AND they ALL agree, the Judge will probably go along with it. (Well, he always seemed like a brother to us.......) This example is for storytelling purposes only.

There may also be other factors considered: How close was everyone in the family? How much time did they spend together? ETC.

If everyone gets together and tells the Judge that they want someone to be able to submit a DNA test, then the Judge would probably allow it.

The siblings are not in agreement about Duane.

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Who doesn't agree?

They seemed to all agree when John L's estate was settled, and Duane did not get a distribution.

In any case, Duane's two heirs are being told to submit to DNA testing.

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laytonian said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The siblings are not in agreement about Duane.

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Who doesn't agree?

They seemed to all agree when John L's estate was settled, and Duane did not get a distribution.

In any case, Duane's two heirs are being told to submit to DNA testing.

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All of the sibs are in agreement and I will bet money these two do not have the DNA test. I think they know Duane was not related by blood. I believe inheritance is going to based on blood realation not treating someone like a brother.

I read somewhere that he was not a blood relation - that his mother put Prince's father's name on the birth certificate (with his father's permission).

laurarichardson said:

laytonian said:

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Who doesn't agree?

They seemed to all agree when John L's estate was settled, and Duane did not get a distribution.

In any case, Duane's two heirs are being told to submit to DNA testing.

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All of the sibs are in agreement and I will bet money these two do not have the DNA test. I think they know Duane was not related by blood. I believe inheritance is going to based on blood realation not treating someone like a brother.

I meant to say the siblings are not in agreement with Duane's daughter and Duane's granddaughter Affidavits of Heirship.

IIRC Minnesota law states that if Duane had been legally adopted by Prince's father, then he would be entitled to a share. No adoption - no money.

1Sasha said:

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

IIRC Minnesota law states that if Duane had been legally adopted by Prince's father, then he would be entitled to a share. No adoption - no money.

-- These two are not going to get anything.

And, if a child or children turn(s) up, none of the siblings will be entitled to anything. BTW, I will never believe that Prince actually died intestate. Something is just not right. I feel it in my bones...

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

All of the sibs are in agreement and I will bet money these two do not have the DNA test. I think they know Duane was not related by blood. I believe inheritance is going to based on blood realation not treating someone like a brother.

I meant to say the siblings are not in agreement with Duane's daughter and Duane's granddaughter Affidavits of Heirship.

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OK, got it. It's very confusing to use "siblings" in this case.

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FlyOnTheWall said:

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said: -- These two are not going to get anything.

And, if a child or children turn(s) up, none of the siblings will be entitled to anything. BTW, I will never believe that Prince actually died intestate. Something is just not right. I feel it in my bones...

There's a part of me that feels the same way. Prince was too much of a control freak not to control what happened to his music after he died.

I wonder if the will is in a safety deposit box somewhere; Or maybe Tyka made herself a fire after she got word that Prince was dead.

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