I would DNA test everyone. I just read an article on RadarOnline in which it is claimed Prince's legal father was not his biological father, and the daugher of his alleged biological dad wants a cut of the estate.

OzlemUcucu said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I worry too but at least they had the wherewithal to know it was too big for them and asked Bremer Trust to come aboard and help them.

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Yes but Bremer is only overseeing Prince's finanances and is responsible for the financial business. I doubt they care about Prince's legacy once the money is divided. Nobody cares about that type of thing, if so, they would have done something by now.

You are assuming they will be declared the heirs of the Estate. They have only been acknowledged by Bremer Trust as being a legal sibling to Prince, and as a result do not need to take a DNA test. If there is a child, they get nothing.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

OzlemUcucu said:

Yes but Bremer is only overseeing Prince's finanances and is responsible for the financial business. I doubt they care about Prince's legacy once the money is divided. Nobody cares about that type of thing, if so, they would have done something by now.

You are assuming they will be declared the heirs of the Estate. They have only been acknowledged by Bremer Trust as being a legal sibling to Prince, and as a result do not need to take a DNA test. If there is a child, they get nothing.

Yes I am assuming his siblings will be declared the heirs of the Estate. Am I wrong in assuming this? You are right tho maybe the bigger picture is more complex and too much for me to comprehend.

Wow. Prince had another law firm draw up his Dad's estate documents when his dad died. I hope they checked with this law firm to see if they had any will for Prince.

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The law firm is: Blackwell, Igbanugo, Engen, & Saffold is based in Minneapolis.

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Giovanni777 said:

Wow. Prince had another law firm draw up his Dad's estate documents when his dad died. I hope they checked with this law firm to see if they had any will for Prince.

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The law firm is: Blackwell, Igbanugo, Engen, & Saffold is based in Minneapolis.

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They would have come forward by now. An attorney has a DUTY to come forward with knowledge of a will. There is NO will.

laurarichardson said:

Mumio said:

Agreed!! If you do find an answer, please let me know...it's annoying as hell to run into that. Thanks.

laurarichardson, it's not being "taken over" , but this is the one thread where I saw people doing it so I asked the question. Sorry if that bothered you but that's what it's about. No doubt I would have heard about it if I started a new thread over it too

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I was not bothered I just think we ought to stay on topic. Just a suggestion.

I completely agree with you and wouldn't have asked the question if I thought I could do it elsewhere without a lot of aggravation We've got several threads that have gone drastically off topic...not happy about it either.

EnDoRpHn said:

1Sasha said:

I would DNA test everyone. I just read an article on RadarOnline in which it is claimed Prince's legal father was not his biological father, and the daugher of his alleged biological dad wants a cut of the estate.

That's complete BS. Bremer Trust has ruled, based on law, that John L was Prince's father. This other guy is the biological father of Prince's half brother, Alfred Jackson. So, Alfred's half siblings by his father are trying to say that their dad is really Prince's dad so they can get $$$. It's not going to happen, but I agree that if these who hah are given a dna test, it will shut them down with the quickness. Btw, I believe that John L was Prince's biological father.

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Purpleone4Eva said:

The documents from the kids of Loyal James Gresham are kind of interesting, even if legally John L Nelson has been established conclusively as Prince's father. If true that his mother had an affair with this guy who was a friend to both of them, might explain some of the strain in his parent's relationship and some of the strain through the years in Prince's relationship with his father. Looks like John L wasn't divorced from his previous wife until well into Mattie Shaw's pregnancy either.

Or they could just be making shit up to try to get a cut. Still, interesing reading.

John L. Nelson was divorced from Vivian on March 13, 1957, well over a year before Prince was born. John married Mattie in August 1957. John was in fact divorced before Mattie's pregnancy.

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Yeah, you're right. For some reason I was reading it as 1958.

I don't really believe the claims, they're just interesting to speculate on. We really don't know much about Prince's family life at all.

Purpleone4Eva said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

John L. Nelson was divorced from Vivian on March 13, 1957, well over a year before Prince was born. John married Mattie in August 1957. John was in fact divorced before Mattie's pregnancy.

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Yeah, you're right. For some reason I was reading it as 1958.

I don't really believe the claims, they're just interesting to speculate on. We really don't know much about Prince's family life at all.

It is so fascinating..........I am convinced Prince did not leave a will so that chaos would ensue. There is a reason why a man we all knew wanted to control everything but yet he did not leave a will. His estate will go on for years. It was P's final EffYou.

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

EnDoRpHn said:

laurarichardson said:

-// Why would a sick old man make out a check out to himself for his entire bank account. I think she was up to something. I have experienced this sort of thing in my family a relative taking advantage of an elder who is senile. I wonder what fighting would have been going on if Prince had left a will. I bet they would have been contesting the will.

Who ever said that the check was drawn on his bank account? You're grasping at straws. Who would have written a $400k check to Prince's father other than Prince or his publishing company? Whether you believe Sharon or not (your antipathy is palpable), she made that statement in a sworn affidavit. Assuming it did exist, if their father died before cashing that check (and this, I'll admit, is total conjecture), is it at all unreasonable to assume that Prince would have stopped payment or ripped it up? In any case, she made that allegation to question whether all of her father's assets were properly accounted for in probate. Clearly that pleading had some effect, judging from the later accounting that identified over $300k (not just $200) in liquid assets, and Prince's interim distribution of $82k to each of the siblings.

You are right no one said it was drawn on a bank account but here are the problem .

1) Sharon claims that that her father showed her the check in April of 2001 and that the check was written to his order for Sharon to have. What did Sharon do with the check? Did she cash it or give it back to her Dad. If she did not cash it could the money not have been spent from April to the date in August when John Sr died. She just does explain what happened to this check only

that she knows just from seeing a uncashed check that her Dad had more money.

2) It is possible that Prince made a mistake in the account because he could not locate all of the bank accounts and savings. He did call Norriane and provide a new figure on in October.

3) My reasoning that she was up to something is due to Sharon thinking that her Dad’s jewelry was worth $50,000.00 how would she know that , she wanted the house he lived in, (despite her name not being on the deed) she wanted the instruments that Prince learned to play on so they could be sold at an auction WTF !!!!, wanted to have him removed as the admin.

4) I am sorry she comes off as money grubbing to me. I believe if he had a will this one would have been the first one contesting. I think she was sore that she lost that suit back in 80s and she admits she had no more contact with Prince after the lawsuit.

5) I also find it interesting that they all agree that Duane was not their blood relative and effectively cut him out of any inheritance.

I know it is easy to make P out to be the bad guy but some of these sibs live in houses he owns so he took care of them despite their foolishness. ( The stuff that is out about Duane is really something)

New Affidavits of Heirship have been filed today by Duane's daughter Brianna, and Duane's granddaughter "VYN."

Bremer Trust is saying even though John L. Nelson is listed on the birth certificate as Duane Nelson's father, it does not prove paternity since at the time Duane was born, John L was married to Mattie Nelson, and therefore John L is not the presumed father of Duane.

laurarichardson said:

EnDoRpHn said:

laurarichardson said: Who ever said that the check was drawn on his bank account? You're grasping at straws. Who would have written a $400k check to Prince's father other than Prince or his publishing company? Whether you believe Sharon or not (your antipathy is palpable), she made that statement in a sworn affidavit. Assuming it did exist, if their father died before cashing that check (and this, I'll admit, is total conjecture), is it at all unreasonable to assume that Prince would have stopped payment or ripped it up? In any case, she made that allegation to question whether all of her father's assets were properly accounted for in probate. Clearly that pleading had some effect, judging from the later accounting that identified over $300k (not just $200) in liquid assets, and Prince's interim distribution of $82k to each of the siblings.

You are right no one said it was drawn on a bank account but here are the problem .

1) Sharon claims that that her father showed her the check in April of 2001 and that the check was written to his order for Sharon to have. What did Sharon do with the check? Did she cash it or give it back to her Dad. If she did not cash it could the money not have been spent from April to the date in August when John Sr died. She just does explain what happened to this check only

that she knows just from seeing a uncashed check that her Dad had more money.

2) It is possible that Prince made a mistake in the account because he could not locate all of the bank accounts and savings. He did call Norriane and provide a new figure on in October.

3) My reasoning that she was up to something is due to Sharon thinking that her Dad’s jewelry was worth $50,000.00 how would she know that , she wanted the house he lived in, (despite her name not being on the deed) she wanted the instruments that Prince learned to play on so they could be sold at an auction WTF !!!!, wanted to have him removed as the admin.

4) I am sorry she comes off as money grubbing to me. I believe if he had a will this one would have been the first one contesting. I think she was sore that she lost that suit back in 80s and she admits she had no more contact with Prince after the lawsuit.

5) I also find it interesting that they all agree that Duane was not their blood relative and effectively cut him out of any inheritance.

I know it is easy to make P out to be the bad guy but some of these sibs live in houses he owns so he took care of them despite their foolishness. ( The stuff that is out about Duane is really something)

My question is did the check ever exist in the 1st place? Sharon may have just been trying to start some mess.

Bremer Trust is requiring Briana and VYN to take a dna test.

The affidavits are interesting to read. It sounds like John L treated Duane, Sr. as his own son, but that is not enough to presume paternity. The shocking thing is that Duane Jr. killed himself. The other interesting thing is that Briana and VYN's attorney was not able to find a record of John L and Vivian Nelson's marriage or divorce documents in county records.

tmo1965 said:

tmo1965 said:

All the crazies are being denied too. The secret marriage in Las Vegas. Until she can get the records from the CIA she is OUTTA here.

The Court has ordered that 7 Affidavits of Heirship, and Bremer Trust Responses be sealed.

What I wouldnt do to be able to read those affidavits.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

tmo1965 said:

Bremer Trust is requiring Briana and VYN to take a dna test.

The affidavits are interesting to read. It sounds like John L treated Duane, Sr. as his own son, but that is not enough to presume paternity. The shocking thing is that Duane Jr. killed himself. The other interesting thing is that Briana and VYN's attorney was not able to find a record of John L and Vivian Nelson's marriage or divorce documents in county records.

-- I am confused was Duane mom John Sr third wife/hook up or did he go back to his first wife and remarry. The Nelson sibs have copies of their parents marriage + divorce. Now these two want to have a DNA test when before they were refusing to do so.

Duane's mom was John L's 1st wife, Vivian. Vivian and John were married to each other only once. Duane was born about 1.5 years after their divorce, but John L is listed as the father on Duane's birth certificate. In other words, Duane was born out of wedlock. So there is a question as to whether or not Duane was John's biological son. Therefore, since there is a possibility that Duane could be John's biological son, but it's not for certain, they are requiring Duane's decendents to take a dna test to prove whether or not they are related to Prince. Duane's descendents probably still do not want to take the dna test.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The Court has ordered that 7 Affidavits of Heirship, and Bremer Trust Responses be sealed.

What I wouldnt do to be able to read those affidavits.

So does that mean that there are 7 people claiming to be Prince's children?

tmo1965 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The Court has ordered that 7 Affidavits of Heirship, and Bremer Trust Responses be sealed.

What I wouldnt do to be able to read those affidavits.

So does that mean that there are 7 people claiming to be Prince's children?

Yes but one may include the guy who claimed he was adopted by Prince. I havent looked through all the affidavits that are public record, but the sealed affidavits probably includes Estabon Bennermon, Carlin Q Williams, another inmate named Norman Yates Carthens, an Taz Walker. May include Duane's heirs, Brianna and YVN. So there may be no unknowns from what I can tell so far.

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

tmo1965 said:

So does that mean that there are 7 people claiming to be Prince's children?

Yes but one may include the guy who claimed he was adopted by Prince. I havent looked through all the affidavits that are public record, but the sealed affidavits probably includes Estabon Bennermon, Carlin Q Williams, another inmate named Norman Yates Carthens, an Taz Walker. May include Duane's heirs, Brianna and YVN. So there may be no unknowns from what I can tell so far.

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Hmm, I wonder if that client of Heir Hunters is in the mix.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

tmo1965 said:

So does that mean that there are 7 people claiming to be Prince's children?

Yes but one may include the guy who claimed he was adopted by Prince. I havent looked through all the affidavits that are public record, but the sealed affidavits probably includes Estabon Bennermon, Carlin Q Williams, another inmate named Norman Yates Carthens, an Taz Walker. May include Duane's heirs, Brianna and YVN. So there may be no unknowns from what I can tell so far.

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Carlin Q Williams' affidavit is public, but not the dna results, although his attorney sold the outcome to the media. Duane's heirs' affidavits are public; they will have to take dna tests. So that leaves 3 unknowns.

Brianna's and VYN's affidavits have been removed from court documents web page. The court is apparently kind of sloppy about preventing documents from being made public when they shouldn't be.

tmo1965 said:

tmo1965 said:

laurarichardson said:

tmo1965 said:

Carlin Q Williams' affidavit is public, but not the dna results, although his attorney sold the outcome to the media. Duane's heirs' affidavits are public; they will have to take dna tests. So that leaves 3 unknowns.

--- Some of the documents state that the claims do not meet the standards for a DNA is this done deal for those people or does the judge make a final decision? It looks like the docs are over a week old so maybe a final decision and DNA have already been done?

Those who don't meet the standards for a DNA test are out \, but they have the right to appeal, I think. They won't even be permitted to take a DNA test.