laytonian said:

tmo1965 said:

No, it says that his father's estate was split by 1/5 to each child, excluding Prince. Tyka's name is listed as one of John's heirs.

You didn't read the right document. Go to the very end where it lists the specific amounts each person would get. There are four names with amounts of about $84,000 each. Prince and Tyka are not listed there.

I understand why Prince would not take the share, due to his success. But I wonder why Tyka did the same? Curiosity.

I remember reading on the Org that Prince was being money hungry when his father passed (paraphrasing) but it appears the opposite.

The documents were interesting to read, particular the accusation of paternal claims. I am not sure how much truth there was to the claims Prince and Loyal Jimmy had a relationship prior to Loyals passing. It seems that would be easy to prove with witnesses from Prince's side and family side.

Still think John L was his pops.

Now the other part is the paternity claims. I think this may take longer, but it will be a definitive answer, no doubts or uncertaintities.

Lastly, I am curious to know why Duane was removed as a dependent for John L. This may explain the strain on Duane's and Prince's relationship. One thing that I believe, no matter what Prince's siblings accused him of, he still took care of them, good or bad.

That is respect.

nelcp777 said:

Purpleone4Eva said:

The documents from the kids of Loyal James Gresham are kind of interesting, even if legally John L Nelson has been established conclusively as Prince's father. If true that his mother had an affair with this guy who was a friend to both of them, might explain some of the strain in his parent's relationship and some of the strain through the years in Prince's relationship with his father. Looks like John L wasn't divorced from his previous wife until well into Mattie Shaw's pregnancy either.

Or they could just be making shit up to try to get a cut. Still, interesing reading.

John L. Nelson was divorced from Vivian on March 13, 1957, well over a year before Prince was born. John married Mattie in August 1957. John was in fact divorced before Mattie's pregnancy.

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nelcp777 said:

laytonian said:

tmo1965 said: You didn't read the right document. Go to the very end where it lists the specific amounts each person would get. There are four names with amounts of about $84,000 each. Prince and Tyka are not listed there.

I understand why Prince would not take the share, due to his success. But I wonder why Tyka did the same? Curiosity.

I remember reading on the Org that Prince was being money hungry when his father passed (paraphrasing) but it appears the opposite.

The documents were interesting to read, particular the accusation of paternal claims. I am not sure how much truth there was to the claims Prince and Loyal Jimmy had a relationship prior to Loyals passing. It seems that would be easy to prove with witnesses from Prince's side and family side.

Still think John L was his pops.

Now the other part is the paternity claims. I think this may take longer, but it will be a definitive answer, no doubts or uncertaintities.

Lastly, I am curious to know why Duane was removed as a dependent for John L. This may explain the strain on Duane's and Prince's relationship. One thing that I believe, no matter what Prince's siblings accused him of, he still took care of them, good or bad.

That is respect.

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The money-hungry issue was about the amount first claimed in John L's estate: $200. YET, that same person claimed that John L had given her a check for $400K.

It's interesting that the $400K turned out to be almost exactly the "cash value" of John L's estate.

So at first there was $200 and then suddenly the $400K comes back.

It's not hard to guess what happened there!

I haven't read everything (it's so much and so much is all alike) but there was also a complaint about the home John L lived in -- like everyone should share in it. But only Prince owned it.

The monetary distributions are in Document N here:
http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/CIOMediaLibrary/Documents/Affidavit-of-Heirship-of-Sharon-Louise-Nelson-Redacted-and-Response-of-Special-Administrator.pdf

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laytonian said:

nelcp777 said:

I understand why Prince would not take the share, due to his success. But I wonder why Tyka did the same? Curiosity.

I remember reading on the Org that Prince was being money hungry when his father passed (paraphrasing) but it appears the opposite.

The documents were interesting to read, particular the accusation of paternal claims. I am not sure how much truth there was to the claims Prince and Loyal Jimmy had a relationship prior to Loyals passing. It seems that would be easy to prove with witnesses from Prince's side and family side.

Still think John L was his pops.

Now the other part is the paternity claims. I think this may take longer, but it will be a definitive answer, no doubts or uncertaintities.

Lastly, I am curious to know why Duane was removed as a dependent for John L. This may explain the strain on Duane's and Prince's relationship. One thing that I believe, no matter what Prince's siblings accused him of, he still took care of them, good or bad.

That is respect.

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The money-hungry issue was about the amount first claimed in John L's estate: $200. YET, that same person claimed that John L had given her a check for $400K.

It's interesting that the $400K turned out to be almost exactly the "cash value" of John L's estate.

So at first there was $200 and then suddenly the $400K comes back.

It's not hard to guess what happened there!

I haven't read everything (it's so much and so much is all alike) but there was also a complaint about the home John L lived in -- like everyone should share in it. But only Prince owned it.

The monetary distributions are in Document N here:
http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/CIOMediaLibrary/Documents/Affidavit-of-Heirship-of-Sharon-Louise-Nelson-Redacted-and-Response-of-Special-Administrator.pdf

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what do you think happened there?

endiadj said:

laytonian said:

tmo1965 said:

No, it says that his father's estate was split by 1/5 to each child, excluding Prince. Tyka's name is listed as one of John's heirs.

You didn't read the right document. Go to the very end where it lists the specific amounts each person would get. There are four names with amounts of about $84,000 each. Prince and Tyka are not listed there.

tmo1965 is correct. The final disposition of the John L. Nelson's estate, reflected in the order attached as Exhibit M to Lorna's, John's and Sharon's Affidavits of Heirship filed yesterday, split the final residue of John Nelson's estate (about $48k total) equally among Lorna, Norrine, John, Sharon, and Tyka.

The document to which you are referring is the final account used to determine estate assets, estate expenses, debts, legal fees, etc. It shows that as John L. Nelson's personal representative in the probate case, Prince paid "interim distributions" of $82k each to Lorna, Norrine, John, and Sharon (but not Tyka). That's a total of over $325k that Prince paid the four of them out of the estate after John L.'s death, but BEFORE the estate was settled. It looks like Tyka only inherited 1/5 (about $9,500) of the residue at the time the estate was settled. (It's also interesting that Tyka's petitions to the court don't even get into the questions around her father's estate.)

Prince inherited nothing from his father - judging from her petition in that case, Sharon was contending that Prince had failed to account adequately for cash and other assets that belonged to John L. Nelson, such as the musical instruments that Prince played as a child. She basically wanted more money, although she and the others consented to the final accounting and settlement.

laurarichardson said:

--/ Go back and read the other comments or the court documents. In order to have Duane removed as an heir in John Sr probate case Prince would have to had some proof that Duane was not related to him. Could have been a blood test that John did before he passed or maybe the whole family knew all along. A man's name can be placed on a birth certifcate and the man is the not father. It is up to the man to get it sorted out.

In order to inherit anything from John L. Nelson's estate, Duane himself would have had to establish that John L. was his father. Apparently he never did that, though we can't tell from the documents made public yesterday whether he tried to do so, since they don't represent the entire case file.

I don't see anything in the documents filed to date that establishes, conclusively, that Duane has been excluded as a sibling for purposes of settling Prince's estate. Obviously the fact that he did not inherit from John L.'s estate is a big strike against him.

laurarichardson said:

endiadj said:

what do you think happened there?

--/ I think she stole or got her senile father to write her check for $400,000.00. The court or Prince found out what she was up to and the money was returned to the account. The thing that is nutty is since his Dad had no-will the money was split evenly between the siblings. Trying to get more than your fair share is money grubbing. This stuff and the crazy lawsuit over "U Got The Look. " I am amazed at his genorosity since he continued to take care of them.

That's not what she alleged -- she claimed that her father showed her a check made out to him in the amount of $400k. Interesting, though, that she doesn't say anything about the source of the check.

laurarichardson said:

endiadj said:

what do you think happened there?

--/ I think she stole or got her senile father to write her check for $400,000.00. The court or Prince found out what she was up to and the money was returned to the account. The thing that is nutty is since his Dad had no-will the money was split evenly between the siblings. Trying to get more than your fair share is money grubbing. This stuff and the crazy lawsuit over "U Got The Look. " I am amazed at his genorosity since he continued to take care of them.

Thanks. Trying to figure this stuff out is crazy.

When does Tyka get a check from Prince's Estate?

Another dysfunctional family ... If he had wanted to, he could have accepted a slice of his dad's estate, but he didn't. But that sister was a piece of work, wasn't she?

laytonian said:

nelcp777 said:

I understand why Prince would not take the share, due to his success. But I wonder why Tyka did the same? Curiosity.

I remember reading on the Org that Prince was being money hungry when his father passed (paraphrasing) but it appears the opposite.

The documents were interesting to read, particular the accusation of paternal claims. I am not sure how much truth there was to the claims Prince and Loyal Jimmy had a relationship prior to Loyals passing. It seems that would be easy to prove with witnesses from Prince's side and family side.

Still think John L was his pops.

Now the other part is the paternity claims. I think this may take longer, but it will be a definitive answer, no doubts or uncertaintities.

Lastly, I am curious to know why Duane was removed as a dependent for John L. This may explain the strain on Duane's and Prince's relationship. One thing that I believe, no matter what Prince's siblings accused him of, he still took care of them, good or bad.

That is respect.

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The money-hungry issue was about the amount first claimed in John L's estate: $200. YET, that same person claimed that John L had given her a check for $400K.

It's interesting that the $400K turned out to be almost exactly the "cash value" of John L's estate.

So at first there was $200 and then suddenly the $400K comes back.

It's not hard to guess what happened there!

I haven't read everything (it's so much and so much is all alike) but there was also a complaint about the home John L lived in -- like everyone should share in it. But only Prince owned it.

The monetary distributions are in Document N here:
http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/CIOMediaLibrary/Documents/Affidavit-of-Heirship-of-Sharon-Louise-Nelson-Redacted-and-Response-of-Special-Administrator.pdf

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Just for the record, I am not dogging anyone in Prince's family. I was just amazed at his kindness in handling his father's estate and passing his share to his siblings.

Astasheiks said:

When does Tyka get a check from Prince's Estate?

The Court has not yet found Tyka to be an "heir" of the Estate. Bremer trust sent a letter to Tyka stating the documents she submitted found her to be a sibling to Prince and she would not need to undergo DNA testing.

laytonian said:

laurarichardson said:

laytonian said: --- Is it me or is his sister bonkers. She rambled on and on about her brothers and sisters being the children of John. Would the birth certificates have been enough. There was no will so his Dad's estate was going to be evenly divided and she is caring on about some check she should gone ahead and cashed and the lawsuit she lost against Prince in 92. I really believe he did not set up will because he knew his siblings would contest it.

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I'm pretty sure I read that Prince's dad had dementia/Alzheimer's when he died (and that he had full-time caretakers). That could account for him writing out a check for $400K, which was about what his total estate totalled later. A lot of money for a man on a $3,000/month pension.

In the first filing for the estate, Prince listed his father's assets at $200. I'm starting to wonder if Louise DID cash the check, depleting the account to keep the money away from others.

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Is that $200.00 or $200K

Astasheiks said:

When does Tyka get a check from Prince's Estate?

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When the estate is settled; she has no more rights than other legitimate heirs, per Minnesota law (which puts half-siblings on equal footing with full siblings).

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Can someone please explain to me why Alfred and Omarr are not listed anywhere? Prince probably did not care to inherit anything from his father, since he did already have enough money of his own, and his father's money was probably Prince's. Prince excluding Tyka in that documents means they were close and he was helping her anyway. I am under the impression as if these folks are fighting right now about the money, but honestly they are all like over 70. I mean wtf?!

I was also a little partial about Duane's daughter and the other kid inheriting anything from Prince, but I am thinking at least these kids are young and they can have a future. It's not always about the blood relation. Sometimes blood related doe not anything. I bet he was not in touch with any of his sibling's for years.

OzlemUcucu said:

Can someone please explain to me why Alfred and Omarr are not listed anywhere? Prince probably did not care to inherit anything from his father, since he did already have enough money of his own, and his father's money was probably Prince's. Prince excluding Tyka in that documents means they were close and he was helping her anyway. I am under the impression as if these folks are fighting right now about the money, but honestly they are all like over 70. I mean wtf?!

Are not listed anywhere? What do you mean? Affidavits of heirship for each of them were filed yesterday in Prince's probate case.

If you're referring to John L. Nelson's estate, that's because he was not their father.

Can you please point me to the Affidavits for Alfred and Omarr? I am accessing from overseas and I can't locate them on the web, as I am not accustomed to court proceedings etc. Thanks

I am curious to know further about Alfred and Omarr.

OzlemUcucu said:

Can you please point me to the Affidavits for Alfred and Omarr? I am accessing from overseas and I can't locate them on the web, as I am not accustomed to court proceedings etc. Thanks

I am curious to know further about Alfred and Omarr.

• Affidavit of Heirship of ...inistrator

• Affidavit of Heirship of ...inistrator

http://www.usatoday.com/s.../87360590/

OzlemUcucu said:

EnDoRpHn said:

OzlemUcucu said:

Can you please point me to the Affidavits for Alfred and Omarr? I am accessing from overseas and I can't locate them on the web, as I am not accustomed to court proceedings etc. Thanks

I am curious to know further about Alfred and Omarr.

• Affidavit of Heirship of ...inistrator

• Affidavit of Heirship of ...inistrator

Thank you.

It does not look for Duane's kids cause the other siblings excluded him and I wonder why? Mind you I had some interaction with her in the past, and she came across very arrogant after I told her I was a Prince fan. I believe she felt famous too cause her uncle was. It was weird.

laurarichardson said:

OzlemUcucu said:

I was also a little partial about Duane's daughter and the other kid inheriting anything from Prince, but I am thinking at least these kids are young and they can have a future. It's not always about the blood relation. Sometimes blood related doe not anything. I bet he was not in touch with any of his sibling's for years.

-// Back up and read some of the other comments. It does not look good for Duane kids because the court already found out Daune was not blood relative. All of the siblings live homes Prince

Just an afterthought now: I can't believe Prince's legacy and future fate is at these siblings hands. Neither of them seem to be savy enough to handle this well and I suspect they do not care enough as they seem not to be able to realise the impact Prince had. It's a heavy burden they have to carry now. I am actually very worried about the future of Prince and I am monitoring what these folks are going to do. Not much I suppose.

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OzlemUcucu said:

OzlemUcucu said:

Just an afterthought now: I can't believe Prince's legacy and future fate is at these siblings hands. Neither of them seem to be savy enough to handle this well and I suspect they do not care enough as they seem not to be able to realise the impact Prince had. It's a heavy burden they have to carry now. I am actually very worried about the future of Prince and I am monitoring what these folks are going to do. Not much I suppose.

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I worry too but at least they had the wherewithal to know it was too big for them and asked Bremer Trust to come aboard and help them.

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How can an over 60 or 70 hire good people? And why should they? Cause Prince chose to be famous does not require them to have sleepless nights and worry about Prince's future. At this stage I feel as if nobody cares than us. I am hoping MN will take care of Prince's future. This situation is very different than the Jackson Clan. I am very sorry for Prince and I bet he expected something more honourable than this crap. Btw, doesn't Omarr look a little like Prince?

Does anyone know how many kids his siblings have? I am wondering if Prince was the only one who didn't produce? His mother has kids from three different men. I am loving this productive clan. Prince was productive too in his own way.

All 7 and we'll watch them fall
They stand in the way of love
And we will smoke them all

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

OzlemUcucu said:

Just an afterthought now: I can't believe Prince's legacy and future fate is at these siblings hands. Neither of them seem to be savy enough to handle this well and I suspect they do not care enough as they seem not to be able to realise the impact Prince had. It's a heavy burden they have to carry now. I am actually very worried about the future of Prince and I am monitoring what these folks are going to do. Not much I suppose.

[Edited 7/21/16 12:08pm]

I worry too but at least they had the wherewithal to know it was too big for them and asked Bremer Trust to come aboard and help them.

[Edited 7/21/16 12:30pm]

Yes but Bremer is only overseeing Prince's finanances and is responsible for the financial business. I doubt they care about Prince's legacy once the money is divided. Nobody cares about that type of thing, if so, they would have done something by now.