tmo1965 said:

tmo1965 said:

laurarichardson said:

LBrent said:

tmo1965 said:

There's a part of me that feels the same way. Prince was too much of a control freak not to control what happened to his music after he died.

I wonder if the will is in a safety deposit box somewhere; Or maybe Tyka made herself a fire after she got word that Prince was dead.

[Edited 7/26/16 12:43pm]

I've been waiting for someone to open a long forgotten drawer or suitcase or shaving kit or move a book or it be stuck somewhere else that no one would think of. Ugh. It's maddening!

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I'd like to think so, but I don't think that will happen.

There's only one way that a will (unknown to anyone else) would be considered legal in Minnesota: if it was created as a holographic (totally handwritten, unwitnessed) will in a state that recognizes such a will.

Minnesota does not recognized holographic, unwitnessed wills created within that state. That means at least two witnesses (and likely an attorney) would be aware of the will.

Basic requirements for Minnesota wills:

http://info.legalzoom.com...-3958.html

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Unfortunately, there is no will. Attorneys that represented him in the past have stated they BEGGED him to make a will and he refused.

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More documents added.

Representation for Omarr Baker.
Certifications of Heirship for Brianna Nelson and VN.

http://www.mncourts.gov/InReTheEstateofPrinceRogersNelson.aspx

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laytonian said:

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More documents added.

Representation for Omarr Baker.
Certifications of Heirship for Brianna Nelson and VN.

http://www.mncourts.gov/InReTheEstateofPrinceRogersNelson.aspx

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Out of curiousity, will Duane's children, Briana and VN, have the same rights to hiership as the siblings and half-siblings?

I just does not seem "right" to me if they do. I am trying to wrap my head around it. I thought that the right to heirship would have ended when Duane passed.

Not complaining, just trying to understand everything. This can be and get complicated.

nelcp777 said:

laytonian said:

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More documents added.

Representation for Omarr Baker.
Certifications of Heirship for Brianna Nelson and VN.

http://www.mncourts.gov/InReTheEstateofPrinceRogersNelson.aspx

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Out of curiousity, will Duane's children, Briana and VN, have the same rights to hiership as the siblings and half-siblings?

I just does not seem "right" to me if they do. I am trying to wrap my head around it. I thought that the right to heirship would have ended when Duane passed.

Not complaining, just trying to understand everything. This can be and get complicated.

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It's actually not complicated.

IF Duane is truly Prince's half-brother (ie, the son of John L), Duane's heirs are therefore Prince's heirs under Minnesota law (which treats siblings and half-siblings equally).
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BUT...Duane was not included in the distribution of John L's estate and he was not listed as an heir when Tyka made the list of Prince's heirs.
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That's why the court is insisting that Brianna and VN submit to DNA testing which they are trying to avoid. They have said from the start that they should not have to. But the court has already made a strong statement.

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nelcp777 said:

laytonian said:

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More documents added.

Representation for Omarr Baker.
Certifications of Heirship for Brianna Nelson and VN.

http://www.mncourts.gov/InReTheEstateofPrinceRogersNelson.aspx

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Out of curiousity, will Duane's children, Briana and VN, have the same rights to hiership as the siblings and half-siblings?

I just does not seem "right" to me if they do. I am trying to wrap my head around it. I thought that the right to heirship would have ended when Duane passed.

Not complaining, just trying to understand everything. This can be and get complicated.

Duane's mother and John L were not married when he was born. Just having John L listed as his father without being married to Duane's mother is not sufficient legally to prove he is a sibling. If Briana and VN's DNA come back showing they are related to Prince they take from the Estate as Duane would, and they each would take 1/2 of Duane's portion.

I wonder why Omarr has gone through 4 or more attorneys since the filing?? Thats odd.

James M. Brandon filed a claim against the Estate stating he has a copyright infringement case pending against P in Florida Federal Court. Hmmm.

laytonian said:

BUT...Duane was not included in the distribution of John L's estate and he was not listed as an heir when Tyka made the list of Prince's heirs.

Regarding John L's estate: Was there an official finding that Duane was not an heir, or was it just that he wasn't included in anyone else's paperwork, never filed anything himself, and never filed an objection? This isn't entirely clear to me.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

James M. Brandon filed a claim against the Estate stating he has a copyright infringement case pending against P in Florida Federal Court. Hmmm.

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This goes back YEARS to 2008 (it's been discussed here). Brandon claims his "Phone Sex" song was stolen for Prince's song "Girl 6".

http://prince.org/msg/7/257354

"New Power Generation, Prince Rogers Nelson, Tommy Elm, *Shelton Jackson Lee, Forty Acres And A Mule Filmworks, Inc., Forty Acres And A Mule Music Works, Inc., Warner Bros. Records, Inc. and Does 1 through 10"

*That's SPIKE LEE, if you don't recognize the name.

https://dockets.justia.co...with links

It's been simmering for ten years and nothing came of it.

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I had hoped, in some spiral-bound notebook, that P would have written what he wanted to be done if he was incapacitated, or worse. Just something ... a guideline ... Maybe some secret drawer in the wall or in a desk.

1Sasha said:

I had hoped, in some spiral-bound notebook, that P would have written what he wanted to be done if he was incapacitated, or worse. Just something ... a guideline ... Maybe some secret drawer in the wall or in a desk.

Unfortunately, the Judge would not consider the above.

Eileen said:

laytonian said:

BUT...Duane was not included in the distribution of John L's estate and he was not listed as an heir when Tyka made the list of Prince's heirs.

Regarding John L's estate: Was there an official finding that Duane was not an heir, or was it just that he wasn't included in anyone else's paperwork, never filed anything himself, and never filed an objection? This isn't entirely clear to me.

I dont know the answer. I did not look up John L. Nelson's estate paperwork. From the documents the siblings filed with their Affidavit of Heirship they did not include an official ruling by the Judge that Duane was not an heir.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laytonian said:

laytonian said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Unfortunately, there is no will. Attorneys that represented him in the past have stated they BEGGED him to make a will and he refused.

-// Looking at the documents added today it seems we have people named that we did not see before could they be potential heirs and the court forgot to deal? Did anyone notice that Bremer wants to keep finacial matters such as the sale of Real Estate sealed from the public. The mention the sale of Paisley Park is also in the docs.

The documents does mention the sale of property, EXCLUDINg Paisley Park.

laurarichardson said:

laytonian said:

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It's actually not complicated.

IF Duane is truly Prince's half-brother (ie, the son of John L), Duane's heirs are therefore Prince's heirs under Minnesota law (which treats siblings and half-siblings equally).
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BUT...Duane was not included in the distribution of John L's estate and he was not listed as an heir when Tyka made the list of Prince's heirs.
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That's why the court is insisting that Brianna and VN submit to DNA testing which they are trying to avoid. They have said from the start that they should not have to. But the court has already made a strong statement.

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--- Why don't they want to take the DNA test? This could all be solved in a week or so. Millions of dollars could be at stake they have to know they are not related.

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Because maybe they know the results wouldn't favor them?

Duane had already been dropped as an heir to John L and Tyka didn't list him as one of Prince's heirs.
They are trying to get listed as "family" based on the social relationships.

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nelcp777 said:

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said: -// Looking at the documents added today it seems we have people named that we did not see before could they be potential heirs and the court forgot to deal? Did anyone notice that Bremer wants to keep finacial matters such as the sale of Real Estate sealed from the public. The mention the sale of Paisley Park is also in the docs.

The documents does mention the sale of property, EXCLUDINg Paisley Park.

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Which document(s)?

The list I see is dated July 25th and hasn't changed since yesterday.

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laytonian said:

nelcp777 said:

The documents does mention the sale of property, EXCLUDINg Paisley Park.

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Which document(s)?

The list I see is dated July 25th and hasn't changed since yesterday.

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Here is the document I read, page 3, Section/Paragraph 21, very bottom of the page:

http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/CIOMediaLibrary/Documents/Affidavit-of-Laura-Krishnan-in-Support-of-Request-for-Modified-Protocol-for-Confidential-Business-Agreements.pdf

laurarichardson said:

laytonian said:

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This goes back YEARS to 2008 (it's been discussed here). Brandon claims his "Phone Sex" song was stolen for Prince's song "Girl 6".

http://prince.org/msg/7/257354

"New Power Generation, Prince Rogers Nelson, Tommy Elm, *Shelton Jackson Lee, Forty Acres And A Mule Filmworks, Inc., Forty Acres And A Mule Music Works, Inc., Warner Bros. Records, Inc. and Does 1 through 10"

*That's SPIKE LEE, if you don't recognize the name.

https://dockets.justia.co...with links

It's been simmering for ten years and nothing came of it.

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-// The link did not work is this case pending and if so how is a ruling pending for 10 years.

He filed the one in Florida in 2015. There were probably many appeals so it could drag on for 10 years. The same thing could happen to P's estate.

nelcp777 said:

laytonian said:

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Which document(s)?

The list I see is dated July 25th and hasn't changed since yesterday.

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Here is the document I read, page 3, Section/Paragraph 21, very bottom of the page:

http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/CIOMediaLibrary/Documents/Affidavit-of-Laura-Krishnan-in-Support-of-Request-for-Modified-Protocol-for-Confidential-Business-Agreements.pdf

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Thank you.

"The Special Administrator is making business plans with respect to the possibility of selling certain real estate properties owned by the Estate (excluding Paisley Park)."

Laura Krishnan is the Estate attorney advising Bremer Trust.

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

New article claims that a son has been found. Don't know how true this is.

http://www.smobserved.com.../1680.html

laytonian said:

They are trying to get listed as "family" based on the social relationships.

Based on a birth certificate, which is the generally accepted legal standard.

While it may be overridden in this case (or perhaps was in John L's case) for reasons that aren't yet entirely clear, it's fair to say they were following the generally accepted legal standard.

(and of course it may be moot now re: the latest paternity news...)

[Edited 7/27/16 23:00pm]

babynoz said:

New article claims that a son has been found. Don't know how true this is.

http://www.smobserved.com.../1680.html

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