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Other thread that self locked http://prince.org/msg/7/426092

More filings have been added. I am a little lost in the jargon and length. I took away that there is question about John L being Prince's father, therefore the guidelines for Parentage should not be used?

nelcp777 said:

nelcp777 said:

More filings have been added. I am a little lost in the jargon and length. I took away that there is question about John L being Prince's father, therefore the guidelines for Parentage should not be used?

Dont feel bad. I am an attorney and I am having problems understanding these filings. It hurts my head. Venita Jackson Leverette is the half sibling to Alfred. Mattie was Alfred's mother and Alfred Sr was his father. Venita is saying she was told Alfred Sr is Prince's father. Bremer Trust is saying you are not related to John Nelson (the father of Prince by law and not necessarily genetics) and therefore you are prohibited from taking a DNA test.

Yeah, these docs appear to be centering around this woman trying to challenge Prince's parentage. Lawd! But to our legal eagles, is the Affidavit of Cameron M. Parkhurst (Minnesota Statutes 2008) addressing this same issue also...possibly? There are some interesting key words in there.

http://www.mncourts.gov/I...elson.aspx

I'm wondering the same as sameyear58. A lot about adoption and surrogates. The one man claims he is Prince's son but was adopted. And then there is the information from the sealed court documents by the law firm that hinted at an heir. What does that Parkhurst document mean? Is it possible it is about Prince's paternity or a child carried by a surrogate woman by AI? Maybe it is just process. Getting everything defined and documented about who is and who isn't in line...

deerpath said:

I'm wondering the same as sameyear58. A lot about adoption and surrogates. The one man claims he is Prince's son but was adopted. And then there is the information from the sealed court documents by the law firm that hinted at an heir. What does that Parkhurst document mean? Is it possible it is about Prince's paternity or a child carried by a surrogate woman by AI? Maybe it is just process. Getting everything defined and documented about who is and who isn't in line...

Yep, I'm curious. Of course, it could all be a matter of formality but words such as the ones you posted along with terms like trust, will, guardian, and many others really jumped out at me.

deerpath said:

I'm wondering the same as sameyear58. A lot about adoption and surrogates. The one man claims he is Prince's son but was adopted. And then there is the information from the sealed court documents by the law firm that hinted at an heir. What does that Parkhurst document mean? Is it possible it is about Prince's paternity or a child carried by a surrogate woman by AI? Maybe it is just process. Getting everything defined and documented about who is and who isn't in line...

Parkhust represents Darcell Johnston. The affidavit he filed encompasses legal definitions and the Judge already knows what the legal definitions are so I am unsure why he filed this document.

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

luv4u said:

http://www.mncourts.gov/I...elson.aspx

^^^^^^^^^^ Reminder: shortcut to court filings - thanks Mod

Remember, we can read the pleadings officially filed with The Court, but we may not be getting the whole story here, and may not for quite a while.

And, even though someone may file a pleading with The Court, it doesn't mean that it is automatically "true".... it is just someone has filed a document with The Court. Some of this stuff, The Judge is going to have to make a decision on - whether to allow it or not. It is my guess, The Judge is on his phone/online discussing this case with others, getting advice on how to handle the issues, probably most of the day.

I wanted to post this earlier in the correct thread, I know there are secret trusts, silent trusts etc., which are outside of probate.

Legal question for the experts: could a person just set up trusts without any actual will at all? Seeing as how Prince was so private..?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

selah said:

I wanted to post this earlier in the correct thread, I know there are secret trusts, silent trusts etc., which are outside of probate.

Legal question for the experts: could a person just set up trusts without any actual will at all? Seeing as how Prince was so private..?

You would have to research Minnesota law.

selah said:

selah said:

I wanted to post this earlier in the correct thread, I know there are secret trusts, silent trusts etc., which are outside of probate.

Could a person just set up trusts without any actual will at all? Seeing as how Prince was so private..?

This has been asked before, and this is the third time I have answered it.

Technically, yes, someone could just set up a trust for their estate. BUT (there is always a "but" in the World of Law), if ANYTHING goes wrong -OR- ANYTHING is challenged in the trust and/or how it is administered, that automatically draws it into Probate Court.

In all of the estates that I have assisted with, I have never seen an estate that had transferred everything into the trust. There is usually at least one (usually more) estate assets that has been "forgotten", which causes the necessity of a case being officially opened in probate court. Which is why if a client says that they want to do a trust, an estate planning attorney will also have them sign a will to "catch" any leftover assets, so an Executor can be appointed, etc. (Although it is true, a "Pour-Over Will" could have been done, which would automatically "pour over" any probate assets into a trust. But there is still paperwork that needs done here. Again, if there are ANY issues at all, it would be pulled back into the jurisdiction of the probate court.)

So, yes, it is possible - but I am skeptical that anyone would be able to pull it off - especially with an estate this massive and complex. Something (a document here or there) would "leak" somewhere..... OR someone would talk. In the real world, someone ALWAYS talks.

But... it is always possible. And we are talking about Prince here.

(This is not legal advice.)

mailaccount63 said:

This is actually a very complicated estate. It is massive. It is complex. It is being contested - on more than one level, probably before it is over. There is real estate involved. There is more than one state involved. There is more than one country involved.

There are many, many, many variables. And, as I have said, there is always a "but" in the World of Law.

We are not seeing everything here in the filings of the Probate Court of Carver County, MN. We can follow it. It is interesting. But we will probably never know everything.

mailaccount63 said:

This is actually a very complicated estate. It is massive. It is complex. It is being contested - on more than one level, probably before it is over. There is real estate involved. There is more than one state involved. There is more than one country involved.

There are many, many, many variables. And, as I have said, there is always a "but" in the World of Law.

We are not seeing everything here in the filings of the Probate Court of Carver County, MN. We can follow it. It is interesting. But we will probably never know everything.

selah said:

Anyone contesting to have a chunk in this estate should probably read "Bleak House" by Dickens while they wait.. it's a long read but they'll have time..The ending..heh.

So... you are judging how this estate should be run...... on a book of FICTION?

mailaccount63 said:

selah said:

Anyone contesting to have a chunk in this estate should probably read "Bleak House" by Dickens while they wait.. it's a long read but they'll have time..The ending..heh.

OMG! Thank you for reminding me of this story. Geez, you're right "Bleak House" indeed!

mailaccount63 said:

selah said:

Anyone contesting to have a chunk in this estate should probably read "Bleak House" by Dickens while they wait.. it's a long read but they'll have time..The ending..heh.

So... you are judging how this estate should be run...... on a book of FICTION?

Nah, you gotta know the story to get the reference... it's bleak

mailaccount63 said:

laurarichardson said:

mailaccount63 said:

This has been asked before, and this is the third time I have answered it.

Technically, yes, someone could just set up a trust for their estate. BUT (there is always a "but" in the World of Law), if ANYTHING goes wrong -OR- ANYTHING is challenged in the trust and/or how it is administered, that automatically draws it into Probate Court.

In all of the estates that I have assisted with, I have never seen an estate that had transferred everything into the trust. There is usually at least one (usually more) estate assets that has been "forgotten", which causes the necessity of a case being officially opened in probate court. Which is why if a client says that they want to do a trust, an estate planning attorney will also have them sign a will to "catch" any leftover assets, so an Executor can be appointed, etc. (Although it is true, a "Pour-Over Will" could have been done, which would automatically "pour over" any probate assets into a trust. But there is still paperwork that needs done here. Again, if there are ANY issues at all, it would be pulled back into the jurisdiction of the probate court.)

So, yes, it is possible - but I am skeptical that anyone would be able to pull it off - especially with an estate this massive and complex. Something (a document here or there) would "leak" somewhere..... OR someone would talk. In the real world, someone ALWAYS talks.

But... it is always possible. And we are talking about Prince here.

(This is not legal advice.)

-- I am under the impression from the request that was made from the law firm that handled his divorce that he had a trust. It may not cover everything but the firm had something that pertains to heirs and matters of probate. Anyway anything concerning heirs is going to be sealed and trust are private. We are only going to know something if someone starts talking.

The attorneys never stated they had a trust. That was mere speculation (I'm guilty). The attorneys merely stated they had confidential information relevant to the determination of heirs and other matters.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

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