I guarantee you something is about to go down with the criminal investigation and this is Judith's publicist doing damage control. You dont see a man almost die and then fly out to LA and then 'tip" other peeps about what happened. This article is all PR. Nothing else.

Poor Judith

I am all over again after reading the article.

Agreed. It's just this thing is soooo weird. I mean no one says anything and then BOOM. It's done blown up today. If these girls start a "He was my man" met with "No he wasn't he was MINE" kind of thing it just...ugh I dunno it didn't have to go down like this. At the very heart of this I wish Prince took his health more seriously.

luv4u said:

Poor Judith

I am all over again after reading the article.

aww Luv

laytonian said:

laurarichardson said:

babynoz said: -- Yes, they do give it to people who are just unresponsive. Fentayl is given to terminal patients still wondering if he had other health issues and therefore in no hurry to get to his doctor.

If he was terminal, would he have *wanted* to get off the drugs?

I think all this talk about illness was from people trying to make sense of the symptoms they saw -- and someone selling a story for $$$$.

It seems doubtful that he would try so hard to get off opiates if he needed them to provide him comfort for a terminal illness. I've presented this same question a few times in support of the theory that he didn't have a terminal illness. And yes, you could be right about the story selling. However, I really did think that the physical and emotional symptoms he was displaying were from his attempts at trying to kick an opiate dependence and that was all.

PeteSilas said:

NikkiH said:

Honestly this struck me too, because that was the first thing I thought may have happened when we found out how his body was found. I've witnessed more than one seizure and they all happened in a similar fashion. Sitting and talking one second, eye fixed and straight to the floor the next.

but they have convulsions don't they? I've seen a couple seizures, once, I was talking to my aunt when she started making funny noises, eyes didn't go blank but sort of crossed up, then she fell and had a grand mal.

Not always, I've seen people fall face first to the ground saying nothing without twitching.

morningsong said:

My temper is at a slow simmer right now. Tons of questions racing through my mind. First it takes someone new to the inner circle to intervene and get some help? Oh, I forgot he didn't listen to anyone, hm, but he listened to her. Interesting. People are bitching about not romantizing it. What the fuq that mean? There must be some serious power attached to being a "true" friend of Prince"s, people bring that up an awful lot. Book deals getting interferred with? The man was on one of the most powerful prescribable painkillers around. He OD'd on the plane BEFORE a narcan shot. How? Let me shutup. [Edited 6/21/16 20:38pm]

I'm glad someone else is thinking the same thing. I never been angry about his passing until after reading this but, mainly for the reason that this is painting a bigger picture of how much he was suffering in silence and I can't help but be pissed and think that what if SOMEONE didn't get into the cracks of his psyche at a pivitol time in his life and brainwash him to the point he let his health decline.

AnnaStesia10 said:

yzarcog99 said:

Also, who told them about it being an opiod overdose if there was only two people on the plane and Prince was overdosing and unable to speak? Doesn't that seem to point to it being known that he was taking opiods? The medics would not give a Narcon shot as a guess.

This point you made is being overlooked. Yes if Prince all of a sudden was talking to Judith on the plane and then he passed out, and she then said Kirk and her informed the pilot to land. Then he was given Narcan before going to the hospital. That is very telling that either Kirk or Judith, or both of them, knew exactly what he was taking. Very interesting..

I've heard that in some places they will automatically give people who are unconsciencious for unknown reasons a narcan shot just in case. It does not mean that the medics were informed that the person was on opiates.

I am glad she was willing to reveal what had happened on the way home from Atlanta, apparently a near-death experience with regard to Prince explaining to her that he needed to get back into his body by following their voices.

The comments in this thread in response to what she stated in the article are...borderline crazy. Why didn't she say this, why didn't she say more, whdy did Prince listen to someone so new to his circle, blah blah. You would think that a site dedicated to Prince would have a bit more tact around commenting about people that were close to him. There's much..actually there's an extremem amount if hateration in this thread, lots of conjecture, etc. I'm sure that if Prince could read this he'd be quite dismayed at the pettiness being tossed around because of what people thought Ms Hill left out, if she decided to talk just to get in the paper, if she's being purposely vague, whatever. I mean, as much as everyone here loved Prince, don't you think that she did just sa much and maybe even more given that she was around the man for a long time apparently? To see someone pass out before your eyes, see him come back to life, being told that tried hard not to go back into his body, and then, actually dying. I'm sure that the peopel that knew him are in much more pain than we are. So just because we aern't hearing what we want to hear from people that may higly value and respect their friendship with Prince, doesn't mean they are somehow responsible, or being obtuse, or withholding information for the sake of doing so.

He told her: “‘I had to fight for my life. I remember hearing your voices from afar and saying to myself, ‘Follow the voices, follow the voices, get back in your body, you gotta to do this.’ And he said it was the hardest thing he’d ever done, to get back into his body like that.”

What do yall think someone might be going through, hearing that from Prince, and then his dying a few days later?

I usually don't reply to threads like this but man, this is so messy. Judith has every right to grieve in any way that she deems fit, and I wonder if NYT actually added the publicity/tour date angle to the article and she had no idea? That's the part that makes it come off a bit "off" to others and I'm sure that wasn't the initial intention.

Also, Prince seemed to play the "hang out with/watch animated movies and chill" with quite a few women. He emailed/conversed online with a lot of women, that didn't mean he was seeking relationships with all of them. I honestly think he just liked to hang out with women because we're awesome . He just kept a gang of us around like anyone else hangs out with friends. I remember seeing an instagram post from Nik West talking about hanging out with him, eating fruit,watching Inside Out and chilling. Sometimes he just liked to chill! Sometimes he just wanted to talk! Who cares who he did it with, that was his choice, gosh.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I guarantee you something is about to go down with the criminal investigation and this is Judith's publicist doing damage control. You dont see a man almost die and then fly out to LA and then 'tip" other peeps about what happened. This article is all PR. Nothing else.

THANK YOU.

The events on that plane leading up to Princes death are not a backdrop 'vehicle' for Judiths magical journey, oh and lets promote her musical roots and tour while we discuss Prince ODing on the plane.

WTF

I get madder everytime I read it.

[Edited 6/21/16 21:00pm]

jumanji2016 said:

PeteSilas said:

I was booted off the org twice so I couldn't follow the man's loves, but forgive me, never heard of kiran and the other woman, well, I saw her making a prank call to him a few years ago, she seemed pretty immature, but that's what prince liked I guess.

I wouldn't call her 'immature' necessarily. Damaris is 25 now, so she would have been around 21 when that prank call was initially recorded....so if anything it was age-appropriate.

[Edited 6/21/16 20:28pm]

ya, but when i'm in my fifties i'm gonna want my old man sleep and wouldn't want some girl waking me up for a gag. I'm sure you understand.

bilbolives said:

I am glad she was willing to reveal what had happened on the way home from Atlanta, apparently a near-death experience with regard to Prince explaining to her that he needed to get back into his body by following their voices.

Listen up. Kirk is probably going to be criminally charged soon, and Judith is trying to distance hereself from Kirk since they were the only two on the airplane that night. Attorneys talk amongst each other. I am sure Judith has an attorney. Trust. This is a self serving article by Judith Hill.

AnnaStesia10 said:

yzarcog99 said:

Also, who told them about it being an opiod overdose if there was only two people on the plane and Prince was overdosing and unable to speak? Doesn't that seem to point to it being known that he was taking opiods? The medics would not give a Narcon shot as a guess.

This point you made is being overlooked. Yes if Prince all of a sudden was talking to Judith on the plane and then he passed out, and she then said Kirk and her informed the pilot to land. Then he was given Narcan before going to the hospital. That is very telling that either Kirk or Judith, or both of them, knew exactly what he was taking. Very interesting..

Several medical professionals here have indicated that this shot is automatically given when someone is unresponsive and there is no sign of stroke or other trauma. Apparently, it will cause no harm if there are no opioids in the system.

nursev said:

As for these women arguing on social media about Ms. Hill speaking out Im glad she did...Princes fans needed to hear that so fuck what they say.

I agree. I am glad that Judith stepped forward to share what happened. Though it is very sad and upsetting, I am actually relieved that someone actually said something!! She gets a big thank you from me and I admire her courage to be the one that came forth to talk about what happened.

BlackandRising said:

The comments in this thread in response to what she stated in the article are...borderline crazy. Why didn't she say this, why didn't she say more, whdy did Prince listen to someone so new to his circle, blah blah. You would think that a site dedicated to Prince would have a bit more tact around commenting about people that were close to him. There's much..actually there's an extremem amount if hateration in this thread, lots of conjecture, etc. I'm sure that if Prince could read this he'd be quite dismayed at the pettiness being tossed around because of what people thought Ms Hill left out, if she decided to talk just to get in the paper, if she's being purposely vague, whatever. I mean, as much as everyone here loved Prince, don't you think that she did just sa much and maybe even more given that she was around the man for a long time apparently? To see someone pass out before your eyes, see him come back to life, being told that tried hard not to go back into his body, and then, actually dying. I'm sure that the peopel that knew him are in much more pain than we are. So just because we aern't hearing what we want to hear from people that may higly value and respect their friendship with Prince, doesn't mean they are somehow responsible, or being obtuse, or withholding information for the sake of doing so.

He told her: “‘I had to fight for my life. I remember hearing your voices from afar and saying to myself, ‘Follow the voices, follow the voices, get back in your body, you gotta to do this.’ And he said it was the hardest thing he’d ever done, to get back into his body like that.”

What do yall think someone might be going through, hearing that from Prince, and then his dying a few days later?

makes him sound a lot different than anything i've ever heard about him. makes him sound....human, humble, vulnerable. He didn't admit those kinds of things often and never of that magnitude, at least not publicly. I still don't get any of it so i don't want to make incriminating remarks towards judith. I don't get any of it but I'm glad she said something and I don't think she would be so petty as to do it for ego and career like the other lady was saying. We need more people speaking. More will talk, just a matter of time.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

bilbolives said:

I am glad she was willing to reveal what had happened on the way home from Atlanta, apparently a near-death experience with regard to Prince explaining to her that he needed to get back into his body by following their voices.

Listen up. Kirk is probably going to be criminally charged soon, and Judith is trying to distance hereself from Kirk since they were the only two on the airplane that night. Attorneys talk amongst each other. I am sure Judith has an attorney. Trust. This is a self serving article by Judith Hill.

why would she have to worry unless she had a hand in getting him drugs? that's what's going to get someone in hot water.

BlackandRising said:

He told her: “‘I had to fight for my life. I remember hearing your voices from afar and saying to myself, ‘Follow the voices, follow the voices, get back in your body, you gotta to do this.’ And he said it was the hardest thing he’d ever done, to get back into his body like that.”

What do yall think someone might be going through, hearing that from Prince, and then his dying a few days later?

this part of the article was somewhat comforting to me because i have heard of and read of several similar situations where a person has a near death experience and then returns for a few days and then passes on, without any drugs being involved. So this helped me fit prince's story into a deeper archetypal "nde followed soon by transition" experience that seems to happen in all kinds of diverse situations.

AnnaStesia10 said:

Kirk did one tv interview early on that I know of where he said he never saw Prince take anything and he packed his bags daily so he said if he was taking something he would have seen it. So he was backing up Prince that he was not abusing anything.

That was not Kirk. It was another of his bodyguards, Chris “Romeo” Gaither. Here is a story with his account.

According to bodyguard Ch...ith drugs.

delirious said:

Well...if you read the side effects of Narcan you can see a list of the exact symtoms people at the Walgreens, etc were saying he had along with his chef:

Narcan is available as a generic termed naloxone. Common side effects of Narcan are flushing, dizziness, tiredness, weakness, nervousness, restlessness, irritability, body aches, diarrhea, stomach pain, nausea, fever, chills, goosebumps, sneezing, shortness of breath, or runny nose

So more than likely he may have even thought he had the flu or was depsparately looking for something to relieve these symptoms.

Also, this article details how most people who are given Narcan are prone to a second quick overdose due to how it affects the receptors.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/princes-death-spotlights-overdose-antidote-dilemma-1462959001

Bottom line: even though he was lined up for professional care that was literally one day late, he should not have been left unsurpervised during this time and also should have canceled the shows. I know that is of course hindsight but just think of how any of us would have reacted if someone we really cared about had just been through this ordeal. Also - has anyone asked why the paramedics immediately administered Narcan? KJ must have told them what was going on?

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thank you for these insights

Epilepsy is such a tricky condition they don't fully understand. It is one of those things...It can ALWAYS come back decades later. They tell you you are cured..but I don't think it ever really is. I never tust it.

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There are seizures triggers such as lack of sleep, stress, drugs, alchohol that can make one more prone to a seizure (if you have epilspsy). Most important, people think seizures are just shaking...they are not. They can be eye fixation, eye deviation, lip smacking, etc. All kinds of odd behaviors like one is in a zone. And they can last a long time...

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I always wondered from the get go if his past epielpsy had something to do in all of this..I have never seen a person having an overdose, but I have seen people having seizures just like Judith described. I don't know though why Narcan would be invovled for a seiuzre...

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As far as being conscious or unconcious while getting off a plane--seizures take a ton of energy out of the body. Afterwards, the person is seemingly 'unconscious' and once that wears off, (they sleep it off) which can take a few hours, they can appear normal again....

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Personally, I would not be surprised if his death was related to both the opoid and somehow seizure issue intertwined. Seizure death doesn't usually make it in the autopsy report..

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

cindyt said:

I'm not trying to start anything but the last person I saw have a seizure and I was sitting right in front of them and turned around and their eyes were fixated...that is exactly what happened. and then they fell on the ground and had a seizure.

thanks for adding this. i wonder what other conditions have this reaction. i recall one interview about an angel healing prince's childhood epilepsy, i wonder if it had ever returned.

[Edited 6/21/16 21:32pm]

FlyOnTheWall said:

AnnaStesia10 said:

Kirk did one tv interview early on that I know of where he said he never saw Prince take anything and he packed his bags daily so he said if he was taking something he would have seen it. So he was backing up Prince that he was not abusing anything.

That was not Kirk. It was another of his bodyguards, Chris “Romeo” Gaither. Here is a story with his account.

According to bodyguard Ch...ith drugs.

Thank God you are not the only one that realizes Kirk also works as his "parttime" body guard and Chris was his full time body guard. I dont know how many times I had to explain there were two body guards.

PeteSilas said:

disch said:

This is more info about the immediate time around his death than has been shared by anyone in his circle so far. It certainly leaves many questions unanswered but it definitely helps add color around the plane OD. The whole thing is heartbreaking because according to her he really wanted to help himself.

I for one appreciate her willingness to talk about this publicly.

I agree 100%.

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

Marrk said:

The Narcan shot ripped his tolerance for opiods out of his system completely. That's what it does. He was on borrowed time from that point forwards. So still in pain, he probably took a lower dose that was still too much for his system and he passes a week later.

interesting to realise that, thanks. wow, the hardest thing to get back in his body. i'm glad he was able to come back and have one more paisley party. i feel like, even though i thought the atl show was amazing, he really said the atl shows were the best yet in order to save the atl concert attendees from thinking that those shows contributed to his plane incident. that was very considerate of him. maybe he rescheduled the shows thinking that the audience energy would help improve his health. i would like to think that he really knew after that plane incident how much time he had left, had glimpsed a beautiful afterworld and was just humbly keeping quiet about it.

I am not sure about this. A Narcan injection would last about 30 minutes or so, so, that makes me wonder about this whole incident being an "OD". He's sitting there eating dinner and suddenly is no longer responsive. That is very bizarre. If it was an OD, then they would probably had to have keep giving Narcan at the hospital, which maybe they did or maybe they did not. But, then for him to be okay, and rather "peaceful" during a possible treatment of an OD sounds odd, too. I am not doubting her. I think she is telling the complete truth, just that there are still so many questions but at least she gave some answers and for that I am very thankful.

I know some people said they did not understand her take on the drug issue but it sounds like she was concerned for his health in general (who wouldn't be given what she saw), and did not understand it was a pain medication issue, but perhaps others knew and that is why they sought treatment from an addiction specialist. That is how I take it, as in, she was concerned and wanted him to see a doctor and to get well, whatever the issues was.