anangellooksdown said:

I think she is really hurting. And I think Kirk is hurting more than anyone. I can't think of a single reason to be beating that guy up. For God's sake...you can't save people. Re Moline: He did not stay the 24 hours the hospital suggested. He still left early. And I still am curious as to whether or not Prince was given instructions about further opioid use before discharge. I have felt since April 21 that Prince was pushing himself too hard. The thought I had was, "Ya gotta take care of yourself on that business. He might've felt he ha so much to do and accomplish... It's also interesting how many you young women seem to have been his last girlfriend. Honest to gosh, I can't keep em all straight

The thing is, people on this site already had Kirk strapped to the gurney ready to give him a lethal injection since one week after Prince passed. No facts whatsoever.


I desperately wish that he would have cancelled any further shows until he was fully recovered instead of pushing himself to meet some unreasonable standard. He gave all he had and more for people who didn't deserve it. Hell, they're still not satisfied, whining about his vault, his money, his family....smdh.

Finally what this story should teach all of us is to be mindful of who we have in our own lives that might not be doing us any good in the long run.

BillieBalloon said:

It doesn't make sense to me that prince would almost die on the plane from perecot and then a week later take something a hundred times stronger and pass away. Surely he wouldn't Jump out of the frying pan and into the fire like that? We don't know for sure it wasn't fentanyl on the plane do we?

Nope. It could have been Fentanyl.

RachB65 said:

MMJas said:

Wow. Had no idea. How depressing...

It surely is depressing..i just turned 50, look 40, but got a packet in the mail from AARP a few weeks ago to acquire a membership...i didnt know whether to laugh or cry.

I can't afford aarp, but thought I''d mention I've been limping since I was about 53 and I'm 58 now. It's like a catch in the hip....

MrNelson7 said:

NinaB said:

purplethunder3121 said: Penguins tho? I mean! penguins?!!

OK, somebody needs to explain the penguin girl to me. Direct me to the thread!

she's some chick on twitter who went to dairy queen with prince.

laytonian said:

RachB65 said:

MMJas said: It surely is depressing..i just turned 50, look 40, but got a packet in the mail from AARP a few weeks ago to acquire a membership...i didnt know whether to laugh or cry.

Ignore AARP unless you want to be flooded with tons of advertising mail for the rest of your life.

It really does nothing for you except sell your address to advertisers.

To keep this on-topic:

http://www.theonion.com/graphic/50-year-old-prince-licks-aarp-representatives-face-10032

(The Onion)

You think that's bad? When I turned 50 last year, my kids took me out to dinner and had the waitress so confused (talking about it being my birthday and how old I was) that she gave me a Senior Citizen discount. I was NOT happy about that!

endiadj said:

lastdecember said:

Well I think what some are hitting on here is the fact of Privacy and Control. PRINCE always had that and now he was going to really be losing it. Someone who really never had scandals and things like that all of a sudden "has an addiction problem" that thrusts him into a whole new world, one that he is not familar with and all of a sudden THE MUSIC that he wants people to know him for will not be what he is known for.

This is what kills me about this whole situation. He had such tight control over his life til the end. Now, everything concerning him is completely out of control. People gossiping about his death, his estate, his heirs, his legacy. It really makes me sad.

The one thing we can take comfort in is that he really doesn't care about all of this now. It is only those of us left behind that care about protecting his image and legacy.

benni said:

BillieBalloon said:

It doesn't make sense to me that prince would almost die on the plane from perecot and then a week later take something a hundred times stronger and pass away. Surely he wouldn't Jump out of the frying pan and into the fire like that? We don't know for sure it wasn't fentanyl on the plane do we?

up until now, I honestly thought that the only explanation for this death was suicide. But when I read that he fought to get back in his body five days before...I gotta tell you...he wasn't a fool, and I don't think he would have taken fentanyl deliberately or any other painkiller. Now I think it's murder, and I don't care what anybody has to say about it. And on most other websites discussing this subject, that's what is generally being said. I've looked around for this subject. There are a lot of people, including old friends of Prince who are hinting that something is very wrong. Just look up the facebooks of some people. Ok, I'll shut up now.

cindyt said:

MrNelson7 said:

OK, somebody needs to explain the penguin girl to me. Direct me to the thread!

she's some chick on twitter who went to dairy queen with prince.

Maybe they did.

cindyt said:

Don't judge anyone till you've done splits in their platform shoes.

It seems as if there's a lot of fixation on whether Prince took painkillers for physical pain (and a lot of judgment about whether he could have possibly needed to). But often people who get addicted to those drugs continue using them long after there physical discomfort has been alleviated. They take them to dull the edge of emotional pain or for whatever sense of enhanced well-being/euphoria or other perceived benefits they receive. And as I learned from my first boyfriend who turned out to have a prescription drug problem (but no physical pain), there can be an aura of respectabilty around painkillers, because they are FDA-approved. He turned his nose down at weed or anything that wasn't pharmologically "pure." But Percocet was just fine in his mind.

While I'm not inclined to trust a drug dealer, my intuition did wonder if there was some truth to the guy who told the Daily Mail right after the death that he'd been supplying Fetanyl patches, etc. to Prince since his fame exploded to help him deal with stage fright and other social situations. If that were true, it would be a classic case of, "Do as I say, not as I do," in terms of Prince presenting a clean lifestyle to the public. A very private, major celebrity like Prince couldn't help but have some trust issues, so he probably didn't want recreational drug users around him professionally. Perhaps the drug user inside was part of the "Gemini" second personality he'd mentioned. It's not so hard for anyone to compartmentalize their darker side. And someone that secretive and smart would be intelligent enough to hide the problem from most.

As far as Judith Hill goes, she has a right to tell her story. I reread the article and didn't feel like it revealed anything super-sensitive about Prince's life. The Internet has been rife with unsavory speculation as to what really happened, so I appreciate having some light shed on the plane ride that seemed to be the beginning of the very end. Finally talking about it could be part of her healing process (it's not like she sold her story to the Enquirer). I've worked as a reporter, so she would have no control of them mentioning her upcoming show. That could have been included just to give some context as to who she is as a performer. A lucky plug, really. I've actually gotten a weirder vibe about how media-hungry Sheila E. has seemed from the get-go. But I look forward to watching her tribute show.

[Edited 6/22/16 16:06pm]

[Edited 6/22/16 16:07pm]

Regarding Judith, imagine being on that plane with him and watching this man who is loved the world over suddenly lose consciousness like that and being unable to revive him. That would be extremely traumatic. Some people clam up when they experience a trauma and some people need to talk about it, because keeping it buried inside just eats them up. Now, imagine that you are watching the after-math, all the rumors circulating, and while you know this person was very private, you also know that he was very protective of his image. What is least damaging to that image, coming out with what you witnessed, hopefully putting a rest to some of those rumors, or keeping your mouth shut?

Yes, Prince was very private, but he was very protective of his image. I think had he been around to hear all of these rumors, he would have been the first to address them and point out the error in those rumors (perhaps through a song).

So what have we learned from what Judith stated? 1. he realized there was a problem and was willing to seek out help 2. he was not a typical addict (if he was addicted), as he was able to hold in-depth conversations, and make sense, "was quick on his feet", never complained of the pain, and was essentially functioning as he always did, since no one seemed aware that he was on any pain medication which might indicate a dependency due to pain, not a full-blown addiction 3. that he hid the pain he was in, meaning that those that say they never saw him take pain medication were being truthful and that there may not have been a way for any one to know what was really going on with him 4. that he was protective of his image ("he was always dressed up, always, always") and we can surmise that he would want to continue to protect that image 5. that he did remain at the hospital until the morning hours, when it's been reported that he refused to stay 6. that he was in a peaceful mood 7. that he wanted to be here, fought to come back.

This dispells the rumors that he wanted to die. It dispells the rumors that he was just another typical drug addicted rock star. It dispells the rumors that he didn't know about the pain management doctor.

benni said:

Regarding Judith, imagine being on that plane with him and watching this man who is loved the world over suddenly lose consciousness like that and being unable to revive him. That would be extremely traumatic. Some people clam up when they experience a trauma and some people need to talk about it, because keeping it buried inside just eats them up. Now, imagine that you are watching the after-math, all the rumors circulating, and while you know this person was very private, you also know that he was very protective of his image. What is least damaging to that image, coming out with what you witnessed, hopefully putting a rest to some of those rumors, or keeping your mouth shut?

Yes, Prince was very private, but he was very protective of his image. I think had he been around to hear all of these rumors, he would have been the first to address them and point out the error in those rumors (perhaps through a song).

So what have we learned from what Judith stated? 1. he realized there was a problem and was willing to seek out help 2. he was not a typical addict (if he was addicted), as he was able to hold in-depth conversations, and make sense, "was quick on his feet", never complained of the pain, and was essentially functioning as he always did, since no one seemed aware that he was on any pain medication which might indicate a dependency due to pain, not a full-blown addiction 3. that he hid the pain he was in, meaning that those that say they never saw him take pain medication were being truthful and that there may not have been a way for any one to know what was really going on with him 4. that he was protective of his image ("he was always dressed up, always, always") and we can surmise that he would want to continue to protect that image 5. that he did remain at the hospital until the morning hours, when it's been reported that he refused to stay 6. that he was in a peaceful mood 7. that he wanted to be here, fought to come back.

This dispells the rumors that he wanted to die. It dispells the rumors that he was just another typical drug addicted rock star. It dispells the rumors that he didn't know about the pain management doctor.

They wouldn't have to even be somebody I loved, just talking to and they they slip off, I'd be tramatized.

RachB65 said:

cindyt said:

up until now, I honestly thought that the only explanation for this death was suicide. But when I read that he fought to get back in his body five days before...I gotta tell you...he wasn't a fool, and I don't think he would have taken fentanyl deliberately or any other painkiller. Now I think it's murder, and I don't care what anybody has to say about it. And on most other websites discussing this subject, that's what is generally being said. I've looked around for this subject. There are a lot of people, including old friends of Prince who are hinting that something is very wrong. Just look up the facebooks of some people. Ok, I'll shut up now.

I interpreted his difficulty getting back in his body as it being something he wasnt sure he wanted to do because he felt peace being free of it [Edited 6/22/16 16:04pm]

I took it that way too.

benni said:

Regarding Judith, imagine being on that plane with him and watching this man who is loved the world over suddenly lose consciousness like that and being unable to revive him. That would be extremely traumatic. Some people clam up when they experience a trauma and some people need to talk about it, because keeping it buried inside just eats them up. Now, imagine that you are watching the after-math, all the rumors circulating, and while you know this person was very private, you also know that he was very protective of his image. What is least damaging to that image, coming out with what you witnessed, hopefully putting a rest to some of those rumors, or keeping your mouth shut?

Yes, Prince was very private, but he was very protective of his image. I think had he been around to hear all of these rumors, he would have been the first to address them and point out the error in those rumors (perhaps through a song).

So what have we learned from what Judith stated? 1. he realized there was a problem and was willing to seek out help 2. he was not a typical addict (if he was addicted), as he was able to hold in-depth conversations, and make sense, "was quick on his feet", never complained of the pain, and was essentially functioning as he always did, since no one seemed aware that he was on any pain medication which might indicate a dependency due to pain, not a full-blown addiction 3. that he hid the pain he was in, meaning that those that say they never saw him take pain medication were being truthful and that there may not have been a way for any one to know what was really going on with him 4. that he was protective of his image ("he was always dressed up, always, always") and we can surmise that he would want to continue to protect that image 5. that he did remain at the hospital until the morning hours, when it's been reported that he refused to stay 6. that he was in a peaceful mood 7. that he wanted to be here, fought to come back.

This dispells the rumors that he wanted to die. It dispells the rumors that he was just another typical drug addicted rock star. It dispells the rumors that he didn't know about the pain management doctor.

Well said and very good points in my opinion.

nelcp777 said:

RachB65 said:

cindyt said: I interpreted his difficulty getting back in his body as it being something he wasnt sure he wanted to do because he felt peace being free of it [Edited 6/22/16 16:04pm]

I took it that way too.

In such a case I would think he'd have felt dragged back into his body, not fighting to get back into it.

RachB65 said:

morningsong said:

nelcp777 said:

I took it that way too.

In such a case I would think he'd have felt dragged back into his body, not fighting to get back into it.

Maybe he felt no pain and enjoyed the feeling and peace. Maybe that was why he was in "good spirtis" afterwards. Then, over the next few days, the pain and issues came back?

wildgoldenhoney said:

morningsong said:

leftcoast said:

leftcoast said:

morningsong said:

In such a case I would think he'd have felt dragged back into his body, not fighting to get back into it.

This part about fighting to get back into his body, it was the Narcan that got him back.

Yep got that. Still could have said dragged as opposed to fighting to get back. It's like he was banging on the door, and then that door opened to let him in, not that something reached out and pulled him through the door.

Ok, I think this may have gone too far on this subject. I quit.

[Edited 6/22/16 17:09pm]

RachB65 said: