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Thread started 05/24/16 11:42am

emesem

Was Prince totally bonkers - One Song?

Came across the full introduction to "One Song" on the interwebs.

JFC..dude was out of his gord......This is Philip K Dick level stuff here:

1999... and the illusion continues. One begs 2 ask -
"when will it end?"

Unnatural disasters happen seemingly every week. Train crashes, shootings, nuclear accidents; is there any place of refuge one can flee from this insanity? Very few of mankind's creations r designed 2 make u feel good, unless u get pleasure from seeing the human body desecrated by guns, explosions, fights, and any other things these so-called "artists" create. In the name of freedom, many have used art as a means 2 destroy the human mind. As an excuse 2 continue we hear "Art reflects society". How many times has this lie been repeated: "creations r not real", they say and yet any one of these people can call 2 mind images and complete scenes of horror in graphic detail. They will carry these so-called "unreal" creations around with them 4 the rest of their lives. These images r now a part of their being. In the name of RECREATION these people in fact r re-creating themselves in their own images.
SOCIETY THEN REFLECTS ART.

In man's decision 2 further separate from God, his re-creation of himself leaves him in a dysfunctional state of confusion. The mind becomes a burial ground 4 dead waste. Isolated from the wholeness of God, Earth and his fellow brothers and sisters, this man seeks solace in activities he thinks will stimulate his mind. He begins downloading in2 his brain a series of manmade creations designed 2 destroy it. All manmade creations originate from one of 2 sources: the Tree of Knowledge or the Tree of Life. One of these trees contained deadly fruit, the other - Fruit of Everlasting Life. The one who disregards this fact recreates himself and his kind in2 extinction.

U r reading these words on a machine created by man. As u read, u hear a voice speaking 2 u the words that u perceive. They make sense 2 u because u understand (stand under) the SPELLing. The words r what binds this SPELL 2 ur illusion. When u hear the truth, like a memory - u recognize it and this recognition releases u from ALL illusion. Many languages r brilliant in their attempt 2 CONfuse u. CON meaning: against, fuse meaning: 2gether. Words and their SPELLbinding illusions have the power 2 keep man separate from God. U were born in an all-knowing state of mind. The first words spoken 2 u begin the SPELL. The words come from one of 2 sources: the Tree of Knowledge or the Tree of Life. In ignorance or simply lack of respect 4 God, many use words that CONfuse the minds of humans and turn them in2 projections of their own illusions. Because of this fact, many people grow up and blindly assume their pre-selected role under a dictatorship without even being aware of it. When asked what they r doing here on earth, most will answer with statements that do not reflect their natural God-given desires. This creates a pyramid-like structure with the dictator on top, and each level under it knowing less and less. Upon reaching the bottom level - which is where the majority is, u will find chaos, disorder, and illusion. With ILL as its prefix, ILLusion is a state of insanity. In the name of democracy, supreme power is vested un2 the people in this insane state instead of God. A future re-created, 2 b ruled by man, is one of isolation and despair. Returning the leadership back in2 God will allow mankind 2 achieve its original collective goal which is union with God. Ideas contrary 2 this goal should not b blamed or persecuted - just simply ignored. They originated when man first chose 2 ignore God's rule. Simply put - in the beginning, the Human was made perfect in God's image. They had no need 4 knowledge. They were also given freedom of choice. The Tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Life r reflections of this freedom. The human is now a reflection of their choice. They could have simply chose not 2 choose. God being centrifugal in nature, freedom was the CAUSE and choice was the EFFECT. In knowing their perfection made in God's image, there was no need 2 choose. In fact, their were NO NEEDS. There was only love in an all-knowing state b4 the fall. The worst thing u can do is give up ur God-given right 2 choose. 4 in it - u can choose not 2 choose. Therein is the final judgement. The illusion ceases and u awaken from ur dream. Now the healing begins...

With an all-knowing mind, made in God's image u can create as ur Creator - God intended. With love, honor and respect 4 every living thing in the universe. Separation ceases, and we all become One Being singing the One song.

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Reply #1 posted 05/24/16 11:54am

babynoz

I don't see what the problem is?

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #2 posted 05/24/16 11:56am

suomynona

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Not sure about Prince, but the OP might be nuts

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Reply #3 posted 05/24/16 11:57am

purplepolitici
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I never really listened 2 it edited that whole part out n started it at "singing the 1 song" song is dope biggrin
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Reply #4 posted 05/24/16 11:58am

BillieBalloon

suomynona said:

Not sure about Prince, but the OP might be nuts



Maybe it's Madge.
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
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Reply #5 posted 05/24/16 12:30pm

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I remember taking to heart (since I'm a wannabe filmmaker) that he didn't like violence & gore in movies. I kind of thought the idea that seeing something in a movie made it part of your subconcious was true, and something I understood and even played with, but he put it in a negative light that kind of made me reflect.

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Reply #6 posted 05/24/16 12:44pm

babynoz

ufoclub said:

I remember taking to heart (since I'm a wannabe filmmaker) that he didn't like violence & gore in movies. I kind of thought the idea that seeing something in a movie made it part of your subconcious was true, and something I understood and even played with, but he put it in a negative light that kind of made me reflect.



I believed that before Prince said it and still do. I avoid media that contains excess violence and gore.

I love Prince's stream of consciousness/non linear way of thinking. It resonates with me because I have similar thoughts.

If the OP is a linear thinker like most people are then a lot of the way Prince expresses himself won't make sense to them. The week he passed, I posted some of his L4OA essays that give a lot of insight into his thought processes but there was little interest in them, so I stopped.


Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #7 posted 05/24/16 12:45pm

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i actuallly find it quite insightful and clearly well thought out.

i agree with him on this...there really is very little true neutral in the universe. most of what we take in through our senses either helps us or hurts us.

and the choice not to choose is a (often valid) choice
"If u love somebody, your life won't be in vain
And there's always a rainbow, at the end of every rain."--peace and love, dear prince.....
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Reply #8 posted 05/24/16 12:50pm

RiotPaisley

babynoz said:



ufoclub said:


I remember taking to heart (since I'm a wannabe filmmaker) that he didn't like violence & gore in movies. I kind of thought the idea that seeing something in a movie made it part of your subconcious was true, and something I understood and even played with, but he put it in a negative light that kind of made me reflect.





I believed that before Prince said it and still do. I avoid media that contains excess violence and gore.

I love Prince's stream of consciousness/non linear way of thinking. It resonates with me because I have similar thoughts.

If the OP is a linear thinker like most people are then a lot of the way Prince expresses himself won't make sense to them. The week he passed, I posted some of his L4OA essays that give a lot of insight into his thought processes but there was little interest in them, so I stopped.




Noooo! Don't stop. I like that stuff. I just didn't have time to read it. I just finished school for the semester so point me to the thread please!


I was very interested and all that seems buried now with this Who's doing the tribute nonsense.
Surprise, surprise.
Another treat. Another trick.
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Reply #9 posted 05/24/16 12:56pm

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At first, I thought Prince was just pontificating.

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Then, with time, I realize how much truth is in his statement. The fact that he was bold enough to just sit and talk and say what he wanted, opposed to being in a song, was incredible.

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I agree with a lot of the things he said.

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Reply #10 posted 05/24/16 12:57pm

emesem

I find alot of what he wrote here and presumably truely believed at the time is dangeriously authoritarian and narrow minded. This is the beggining of the "theocratic order" that saw its full bloom in TRC. When Prince talks about us all becomming "one" and the "freedom not to choose", its about taking away free will and diversity of opinion. Prince's ideal is everyone believe the same, thinking the same, doing the same. All submissive to what he calls "God". (Sound like the Taliban or ISIS too you?).


Very dangerous and this sort of thinking comes out of fear, lack of self confidence and inablity to live in the "grey". This is mind that has closed off all desire to percieve or judge for itself but rather one that has given up, ceded all choice and just wants to be lead because they are tired of thinking or do not want the responsiblity of choice.

Terrible and scary stuff IMHO. Very sad and brings back many not so good memories. I truly hope he moved away from all this absolutism but I'm not sure.

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Reply #11 posted 05/24/16 1:10pm

MJ007

I love his prelude to this song. It has a strong message to humanity, in my opinion. What he is saying in this song goes beyond Jehovah Witness teachings. Prince was spiritual through and through.

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Reply #12 posted 05/24/16 1:13pm

MJ007

babynoz said:


I believed that before Prince said it and still do. I avoid media that contains excess violence and gore.

I love Prince's stream of consciousness/non linear way of thinking. It resonates with me because I have similar thoughts.

If the OP is a linear thinker like most people are then a lot of the way Prince expresses himself won't make sense to them. The week he passed, I posted some of his L4OA essays that give a lot of insight into his thought processes but there was little interest in them, so I stopped.


NO! Where did you post this stuff? I want to read it. His line of thinking, minus the JW stuff, is mine also.

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Reply #13 posted 05/24/16 1:23pm

babynoz

TrivialPursuit said:

At first, I thought Prince was just pontificating.

.

Then, with time, I realize how much truth is in his statement. The fact that he was bold enough to just sit and talk and say what he wanted, opposed to being in a song, was incredible.

.

I agree with a lot of the things he said.



He had an extraordinary mind.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #14 posted 05/24/16 1:38pm

babynoz

MJ007 said:

babynoz said:


I believed that before Prince said it and still do. I avoid media that contains excess violence and gore.

I love Prince's stream of consciousness/non linear way of thinking. It resonates with me because I have similar thoughts.

If the OP is a linear thinker like most people are then a lot of the way Prince expresses himself won't make sense to them. The week he passed, I posted some of his L4OA essays that give a lot of insight into his thought processes but there was little interest in them, so I stopped.


NO! Where did you post this stuff? I want to read it. His line of thinking, minus the JW stuff, is mine also.



I share the majority of his worldview also. I'm not in agreement with JW doctrine either but I recognize that some people require a more structured framework at times in their lives, so perhaps it's a good thing for them to have access to that kind of structure. Prince seems to have become considerably more moderate as the years passed.

I have known many people who were absolutely insufferable when they first embraced their newfound faith. It is very hard to deal with because they often act like they personally wrote the scriptures. I once had to remind a close friend that these things were not new, just new to him. lol


Here's the link to the thread I mentioned....some of the essays are more JW oriented than others.

http://prince.org/msg/7/423806

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #15 posted 05/24/16 1:41pm

PeteSilas

MJ007 said:

I love his prelude to this song. It has a strong message to humanity, in my opinion. What he is saying in this song goes beyond Jehovah Witness teachings. Prince was spiritual through and through.

my thoughts exactly, i don't see how any one religion could contain his spirituality, it seemed fluid and that goes for his last days too. "third eye" anything would not be acceptable talk in many christian or pseudo-judeo-christian religions.

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Reply #16 posted 05/24/16 1:50pm

babynoz

PeteSilas said:

MJ007 said:

I love his prelude to this song. It has a strong message to humanity, in my opinion. What he is saying in this song goes beyond Jehovah Witness teachings. Prince was spiritual through and through.

my thoughts exactly, i don't see how any one religion could contain his spirituality, it seemed fluid and that goes for his last days too. "third eye" anything would not be acceptable talk in many christian or pseudo-judeo-christian religions.



You're right, ultimately he was not limited by one doctrine. His core beliefs transcended that and he never completely abandoned those beliefs.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #17 posted 05/24/16 1:57pm

rabbutt

I sooooo remember the 1st time I saw this , it was like New Year's Day or somewhere close . After watching about 3 minutes I screamed to my wife " HONEY , get it here Prince has officially lost his mind " we watched it together amazed at how silly my favorite entertainer had become, But I did it with a HUGE smile on my face , and by the end of the song I was love'n it and dancing around biggrin
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Reply #18 posted 05/24/16 2:16pm

RiotPaisley

emesem said:

I find alot of what he wrote here and presumably truely believed at the time is dangeriously authoritarian and narrow minded. This is the beggining of the "theocratic order" that saw its full bloom in TRC. When Prince talks about us all becomming "one" and the "freedom not to choose", its about taking away free will and diversity of opinion. Prince's ideal is everyone believe the same, thinking the same, doing the same. All submissive to what he calls "God". (Sound like the Taliban or ISIS too you?).



Very dangerous and this sort of thinking comes out of fear, lack of self confidence and inablity to live in the "grey". This is mind that has closed off all desire to percieve or judge for itself but rather one that has given up, ceded all choice and just wants to be lead because they are tired of thinking or do not want the responsiblity of choice.



Terrible and scary stuff IMHO. Very sad and brings back many not so good memories. I truly hope he moved away from all this absolutism but I'm not sure.





I think he was just working things out in his mind and some of it got clouded by some really strict ?dogma? Is that the right word...?

The only thing I ever wanted him to do and was hoping he'd eventually get to was breaking free from any official religion and just put everything he learned about everything together and invited us (and the world) to discuss. I've read about the RC celebrations and it made me sad that he had a great vision to bring people together to talk about spirituality, but then made it uncomfortable for people who didn't follow JW stuff.

He could have started a completely new world sprituality that would last.
Surprise, surprise.
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Reply #19 posted 05/24/16 2:56pm

PeteSilas

babynoz said:

PeteSilas said:

my thoughts exactly, i don't see how any one religion could contain his spirituality, it seemed fluid and that goes for his last days too. "third eye" anything would not be acceptable talk in many christian or pseudo-judeo-christian religions.



You're right, ultimately he was not limited by one doctrine. His core beliefs transcended that and he never completely abandoned those beliefs.

he once said something about "god in everything" so in that way, he had the basic belief of pretty much every tribal society the world over. Christians would call that "heathenism".

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Reply #20 posted 05/24/16 2:59pm

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Pseudo-"deep" new age bullshit mixed with theocratic garbage. I love Prince and always will, but he was very susceptible to horseshit like this. He flung plenty himself.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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Reply #21 posted 05/24/16 3:00pm

PeteSilas

KingSausage said:

Pseudo-"deep" new age bullshit mixed with theocratic garbage. I love Prince and always will, but he was very susceptible to horseshit like this. He flung plenty himself.

he could come up with some deep prophetic shit though.

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Reply #22 posted 05/24/16 3:03pm

babynoz

PeteSilas said:

babynoz said:



You're right, ultimately he was not limited by one doctrine. His core beliefs transcended that and he never completely abandoned those beliefs.

he once said something about "god in everything" so in that way, he had the basic belief of pretty much every tribal society the world over. Christians would call that "heathenism".



nod

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Reply #23 posted 05/24/16 3:06pm

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PeteSilas said:



KingSausage said:


Pseudo-"deep" new age bullshit mixed with theocratic garbage. I love Prince and always will, but he was very susceptible to horseshit like this. He flung plenty himself.

he could come up with some deep prophetic shit though.




From time to time. But too often it was covered by layers and layers of nonsense.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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Reply #24 posted 05/24/16 3:11pm

PeteSilas

KingSausage said:

PeteSilas said:

he could come up with some deep prophetic shit though.

From time to time. But too often it was covered by layers and layers of nonsense.

yes like anyone really. he put his foot in his mouth many times.

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PeteSilas said:



KingSausage said:


PeteSilas said:


he could come up with some deep prophetic shit though.



From time to time. But too often it was covered by layers and layers of nonsense.

yes like anyone really. he put his foot in his mouth many times.




:nod:
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Reply #26 posted 05/24/16 4:12pm

cardinal

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PeteSilas said:



babynoz said:




PeteSilas said:



my thoughts exactly, i don't see how any one religion could contain his spirituality, it seemed fluid and that goes for his last days too. "third eye" anything would not be acceptable talk in many christian or pseudo-judeo-christian religions.





You're right, ultimately he was not limited by one doctrine. His core beliefs transcended that and he never completely abandoned those beliefs.



he once said something about "god in everything" so in that way, he had the basic belief of pretty much every tribal society the world over. Christians would call that "heathenism".



not everyone believes that panentheism is incompatible with christianity. but i agree with you that church leaders would think it heresy. but for an ecumenical free thinker like prince and many others, there would be no conflict at all. church leaders are imo more about control than truth. and i would not be shocked if prince would agree with that statement. he has said himself he was looking to cut through the dogma. good approach imo that promotes spiritual freedom.
"If u love somebody, your life won't be in vain
And there's always a rainbow, at the end of every rain."--peace and love, dear prince.....
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Reply #27 posted 05/24/16 4:12pm

1725topp

ufoclub said:

I remember taking to heart (since I'm a wannabe filmmaker) that he didn't like violence & gore in movies. I kind of thought the idea that seeing something in a movie made it part of your subconcious was true, and something I understood and even played with, but he put it in a negative light that kind of made me reflect.

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The first time I heard/read the intro to "One Song" it reminded me of W. E. B. DuBois' assertion that "in the final analysis all art is propaganda" because art, by nature, is either supporting or denouncing something. Of course, we also understand that art impacts people in various ways, influencing some more than it influences others. In general, I'm not a blood, guts, and gore watcher. I don't to horror films or most reality television since most reality television celebrates dysfunction. But, that's just me. I try to expose myself to as less negativity as possible or anything in which I think that negativity or dysfunction will be promoted over positive or constructive behavior. (Of course, this philosophy of mine has developed more as I've aged and, hopefully, gotten wiser.) Ultimately, I think the issue for Prince was that many people aren't aware that art impacts people in ways that people may not realize, and that aspect--people not knowing how art impacts them--is what's dangerous. Of course, Prince was promoting his JW ideology, but, on a broader scale, I like the introduction because in a very rare case we have a pop artist discussing the impact of art on people, which is usually discussed in more academic settings than in pop settings.

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Reply #28 posted 05/24/16 4:20pm

1725topp

PeteSilas said:

babynoz said:



You're right, ultimately he was not limited by one doctrine. His core beliefs transcended that and he never completely abandoned those beliefs.

he once said something about "god in everything" so in that way, he had the basic belief of pretty much every tribal society the world over. Christians would call that "heathenism".

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I'm a Christian, I've read the Bible, the Quran, the Tanakh, The Analects of Confucius, The Holy Book of Tao, and many other religious and scientific doctrines, and I wouldn't call the notion of seeing "God in everything" as "heathenism."

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Reply #29 posted 05/24/16 4:25pm

PeteSilas

1725topp said:

PeteSilas said:

he once said something about "god in everything" so in that way, he had the basic belief of pretty much every tribal society the world over. Christians would call that "heathenism".

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I'm a Christian, I've read the Bible, the Quran, the Tanakh, The Analects of Confucius, The Holy Book of Tao, and many other religious and scientific doctrines, and I wouldn't call the notion of seeing "God in everything" as "heathenism."

not everyone thinks like you then, what is called animism is what the christians would call savage. I'm indian, from what i know about our magic and our spiritual life, it's radically different from christianity and they did everything they could to destroy every remnant of our knowledge and tradition because of it.

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