I love listening to that 'intro' a lot. his voice is so calming. I must have listend to it 20 times or more, and each time I notice a new detail and it gets me thinking.

[Edited 5/26/16 8:52am]

emesem said:

Came across the full introduction to "One Song" on the interwebs.

JFC..dude was out of his gord......This is Philip K Dick level stuff here:

1999... and the illusion continues. One begs 2 ask -
"when will it end?"

Unnatural disasters happen seemingly every week. Train crashes, shootings, nuclear accidents; is there any place of refuge one can flee from this insanity? Very few of mankind's creations r designed 2 make u feel good, unless u get pleasure from seeing the human body desecrated by guns, explosions, fights, and any other things these so-called "artists" create. In the name of freedom, many have used art as a means 2 destroy the human mind. As an excuse 2 continue we hear "Art reflects society". How many times has this lie been repeated: "creations r not real", they say and yet any one of these people can call 2 mind images and complete scenes of horror in graphic detail. They will carry these so-called "unreal" creations around with them 4 the rest of their lives. These images r now a part of their being. In the name of RECREATION these people in fact r re-creating themselves in their own images.
SOCIETY THEN REFLECTS ART.

In man's decision 2 further separate from God, his re-creation of himself leaves him in a dysfunctional state of confusion. The mind becomes a burial ground 4 dead waste. Isolated from the wholeness of God, Earth and his fellow brothers and sisters, this man seeks solace in activities he thinks will stimulate his mind. He begins downloading in2 his brain a series of manmade creations designed 2 destroy it. All manmade creations originate from one of 2 sources: the Tree of Knowledge or the Tree of Life. One of these trees contained deadly fruit, the other - Fruit of Everlasting Life. The one who disregards this fact recreates himself and his kind in2 extinction.

U r reading these words on a machine created by man. As u read, u hear a voice speaking 2 u the words that u perceive. They make sense 2 u because u understand (stand under) the SPELLing. The words r what binds this SPELL 2 ur illusion. When u hear the truth, like a memory - u recognize it and this recognition releases u from ALL illusion. Many languages r brilliant in their attempt 2 CONfuse u. CON meaning: against, fuse meaning: 2gether. Words and their SPELLbinding illusions have the power 2 keep man separate from God. U were born in an all-knowing state of mind. The first words spoken 2 u begin the SPELL. The words come from one of 2 sources: the Tree of Knowledge or the Tree of Life. In ignorance or simply lack of respect 4 God, many use words that CONfuse the minds of humans and turn them in2 projections of their own illusions. Because of this fact, many people grow up and blindly assume their pre-selected role under a dictatorship without even being aware of it. When asked what they r doing here on earth, most will answer with statements that do not reflect their natural God-given desires. This creates a pyramid-like structure with the dictator on top, and each level under it knowing less and less. Upon reaching the bottom level - which is where the majority is, u will find chaos, disorder, and illusion. With ILL as its prefix, ILLusion is a state of insanity. In the name of democracy, supreme power is vested un2 the people in this insane state instead of God. A future re-created, 2 b ruled by man, is one of isolation and despair. Returning the leadership back in2 God will allow mankind 2 achieve its original collective goal which is union with God. Ideas contrary 2 this goal should not b blamed or persecuted - just simply ignored. They originated when man first chose 2 ignore God's rule. Simply put - in the beginning, the Human was made perfect in God's image. They had no need 4 knowledge. They were also given freedom of choice. The Tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Life r reflections of this freedom. The human is now a reflection of their choice. They could have simply chose not 2 choose. God being centrifugal in nature, freedom was the CAUSE and choice was the EFFECT. In knowing their perfection made in God's image, there was no need 2 choose. In fact, their were NO NEEDS. There was only love in an all-knowing state b4 the fall. The worst thing u can do is give up ur God-given right 2 choose. 4 in it - u can choose not 2 choose. Therein is the final judgement. The illusion ceases and u awaken from ur dream. Now the healing begins...

With an all-knowing mind, made in God's image u can create as ur Creator - God intended. With love, honor and respect 4 every living thing in the universe. Separation ceases, and we all become One Being singing the One song.

Nah, Prince just vibed on a different level to you.

babynoz said:

Get it now? Good, because I have nothing further to say to someone who would stoop so low as to compare Prince to Hitler FFS!

You're not only refusing to confirm if you follow Prince's wild ideas for the FOURTH TIME, you've just made that shit up!

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STOP LYING.

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You can't just misread 'follow'. Yes, you can 'follow' Prince's ideas in the same way you can follow anything that can be read, watched or listened to. You know fine well what I meant. So stop playing dumb.

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I didn't compare Prince to Hitler. I demonstrated that your reductive view of 'follow' could be applied to anyone and any mindset. I can follow Darth Vader just by watching the movie. Or closer to reality, but still far out - can I 'follow' Hitler's mindset for the invasion of Russia, one of the most insane destructive things ever done with tens of millions of casualties? Sure I can. He said he was gonna in print 20 years earlier. It sold more than Harry Potter.

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Etc.

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I'm talking about follow as in VOTING FOR HIM. Wearing the button. Championing his ideals, in the same way you might tell your mate that 3121 is a comeback and he should buy a copy. Prince's music was followed in that way, his theories were not. Frankly, you'd have to have been a JW for the past 15 years before we can even look to see if you qualify, and you still have a hundred other crazy hurdles to jump.

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Prince has many similar ideas to other figures who are subject to ridicule, like David Icke. Who even made a 'I know nothing about music' tribute to Prince, coz he was a fellow conspiracy theorist. However, if you're crazy enough to be on the same train as Icke, at least it heads in one direction. He's consistent. I wouldn't expect many on this forum to believe in the views of Icke. Maybe one or two at most. And you can go back to his first books and follow him till the present day. Nuts, but if you believe in that stuff, it doesn't jump around... However, Prince is a different kettle of fish. He changes too often.

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You can't follow Prince like you can Icke. He changes direction constantly, makes demands that make living difficult (no contracts), but dying a bit easier (no blood transfusions). One minute all that matters is the biggest goddamn contract the world has ever seen. Then contracts were evil. He'd held people hostage via contract before then too, but never mind all that. Gays were cool, then they were to be shunned. Except on a rare Wednesday when he got out of a different side of the bed, before normal service was resumed on a Thursday. IT'S ALL OVER THE SHOW.

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And these were not just private views. He tried to pass these on to his fanbase. Therefore it's not even bad form to call BS on this, no matter how big a fan you are. How many stayed on for that whole ride with him? I'm saying no one did. You're saying I can't say that, then just ranting about semantics and pretending not to understand context.

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I'll assume you DIDN'T follow Prince's belief system, since you refuse to say. So just find me someone who did, and you've won. Otherwise, just pick a word, break it in half, juggle it about, and come back with some mindless philosophy about speaking for the masses. If you think for two minutes about how many single ideas have been followed by at least one person but NO ONE HERE will believe in, you could come up with over a hundred in that time. And yet, you claim the same thing can't be said about hundreds of contradictory ideas strung together??? Ok then. I'll leave you to it.

Prince was highly intelligent so this does require some degree of intelligence to properly comprehend and potentially appreciate. I have been around Prince ans long enough to know that a substantial faction of his base simply miss much of his more demanding work.

McD said:

Prince has many similar ideas to other figures who are subject to ridicule, like David Icke. Who even made a 'I know nothing about music' tribute to Prince, coz he was a fellow conspiracy theorist. However, if you're crazy enough to be on the same train as Icke, at least it heads in one direction. He's consistent. I wouldn't expect many on this forum to believe in the views of Icke. Maybe one or two at most. And you can go back to his first books and follow him till the present day. Nuts, but if you believe in that stuff, it doesn't jump around... However, Prince is a different kettle of fish. He changes too often.

Prince also said things PURELY to get attention/cause controversy. He has a proven track record of lying to the media.

You can't follow Prince like you can Icke. He changes direction constantly,

Does he?... not really. Not until he became a JW.

makes demands that make living difficult (no contracts),

Said to get headlines. It's not actually possible to live without contracts... especially not when you earn money by renting venues to perform. He was making a specific point about how he worked with Larry & Chaka.

He also claimed to have legally changed his name to an unpronounceable symbol... you can't legally change your name to a symbol. It's not possible.

but dying a bit easier (no blood transfusions). One minute all that matters is the biggest goddamn contract the world has ever seen. Then contracts were evil. He'd held people hostage via contract before then too, but never mind all that.

Heresay, and even if he did refuse transfusions, there are alternatives.

Gays were cool, then they were to be shunned. Except on a rare Wednesday when he got out of a different side of the bed, before normal service was resumed on a Thursday. IT'S ALL OVER THE SHOW.

1) When did he say gays should be shunned? I mean that exact quote. "Gays should be shunned" - or are you putting words in his mouth?
2) Did he actually ever say "gays are cool" or are you making that up as well?

And these were not just private views. He tried to pass these on to his fanbase. Therefore it's not even bad form to call BS on this, no matter how big a fan you are. How many stayed on for that whole ride with him? I'm saying no one did. You're saying I can't say that, then just ranting about semantics and pretending not to understand context.

When? Again... gonna need those quotes.

[Edited 5/26/16 10:42am]

McD said:

babynoz said:

Get it now? Good, because I have nothing further to say to someone who would stoop so low as to compare Prince to Hitler FFS!

What part of STOP TRYING TO SPEAK FOR OTHER PEOPLE don't you understand?

cardinal said:

i think that most people can stipulate that no two people are in sync with their thoughts 100% of the time. whether it is a religious org, a political party, a marriage, whatever. even if one follows someone's journey and agrees with much of their views, there are bound to be differences. i can think of several people i am in sync with on almost everything, but no one that i am 100% the same on every issue possible. so i am not sure why it matters as to whether people "followed" prince's thought process or to what degree they did, or whether either party is "nuts" because of it. i actually have agreed with much of prince"s metaphysical and spiritual views over the years, which ones are only important to me. and one thing david icke was dead on balls accurate about in his very moving video tribute to prince: anyone who does not subscribe to the mainstream and tptb approved narrative will be labeled as a wacko. most revolutionaries are initially labelled wacko and attempts are made to marginalize them. so by that criterion, i guess that makes the following people wacko jesus mlk junior rfk jfk gandhi john lennon know what else all those people had in common? they were all MURDERED but i can't imagine why, since they were no threat to anyone in power {sarc} *nb....i am not suggesting prince was murdered, only that people with radical ideas that threaten the power structure tend to end up dead or marginalized. which is what icke was driving at imo. [Edited 5/26/16 10:06am]

This.

I love how Mr. McD willfully ignores you, Noodle24 and a few other patient souls on this thread who have directly addressed his misguided screeds. Clearly there are others who have no problem following Prince's train of thought. That's why I keep trying to tell him that he can't speak for what other people can or cannot follow.

That was the only thing I was trying to get across to him.

The thing about "crazy"... History is full of "crazy" people who dared to speak their unpopular opinions which helped to make positive shifts in the collective consciousness, or made discoveries based on their unpopular opinions and, thus, helped to evolve and change the fucking world. I'll take a person like that any day over someone who feels so threatened by an alternative viewpoint that they have to resort to pulling the "they're crazy or nuts" card in order to make themselves feel mentally superior.

babynoz said:

MJ007 said:

The thing about "crazy"... History is full of "crazy" people who dared to speak their unpopular opinions which helped to make positive shifts in the collective consciousness, or made discoveries based on their unpopular opinions and, thus, helped to evolve and change the fucking world. I'll take a person like that any day over someone who feels so threatened by an alternative viewpoint that they have to resort to pulling the "they're crazy or nuts" card in order to make themselves feel mentally superior.

I think that we have yet to discover the full magnitude of Prince's contribution to making this world a better place.

cardinal said:

babynoz said:

This.

I love how Mr. McD willfully ignores you, Noodle24 and a few other patient souls on this thread who have directly addressed his misguided screeds. Clearly there are others who have no problem following Prince's train of thought. That's why I keep trying to tell him that he can't speak for what other people can or cannot follow.

That was the only thing I was trying to get across to him.

oh i think you got it across just fine. maybe he or she is busy and will be back later. what i don't understand is the desire of some to paint prince as some kind of loon now that he is dead and cannot speak for himself. to be fair, some folks did that when he was alive and could speak for himself. and since prince put his ideas out there, it is certainly going to generate interest and that is fair enough. but why try now and convince people that he was a "religious nut" or a "conspiracy nut" or whatever? his feelings came through loud and clear in his music. i would think that if the lyrics are distasteful to some, they are free not to listen...its not going to deny prince any income now. i thought much of what prince had to say was right on the frickin money, frankly. and many people have forgotten that he predicted 911 2 or 3 years before it happened. the guy was plugged in, and no one will convince me otherwise.

He most certainly was connected and that is why his spirit resonates with you, me and many others. That's why it strikes me as wrong for anybody to attempt to dictate what other fans can follow.

To dismiss Prince as a loon and proclaim that no fan can follow his thoughts is crossing the line.

babynoz said:

cardinal said:

babynoz said:

He most certainly was connected and that is why his spirit resonates with you, me and many others. That's why it strikes me as wrong for anybody to attempt to dictate what other fans can follow.

To dismiss Prince as a loon and proclaim that no fan can follow his thoughts is crossing the line.

there was a reason so many were still connected to him even though many mainstreamers had written him off into legacy land. and as you said in the above comment, i think we have a long way to go discovering his affect on society. we are in chapter one of a very long book. my hope is that besides music and video performances, there are some significant writings in that vault. that would be cool.

I'm glad to see like minded people speaking up and I share your hope that more writings exist. Hopefully those fifty pages of his book will be released at some point.

Prince was many faceted and the world should know that there was more to him than Sexy MF and Darling Nikki.

babynoz said:

cardinal said:

babynoz said:

I'm glad to see like minded people speaking up and I share your hope that more writings exist. Hopefully those fifty pages of his book will be released at some point.

Prince was many faceted and the world should know that there was more to him than Sexy MF and Darling Nikki.

amen to that. the masses think he was mr sexpot singing about lust. the rest of us know he was DEEP and sang about God and other issues way more than sex (and as was prince, sometimes it was both at the same time). i would love to read the 50 pages someday....50 pages in his own voice is a TON compared to the few interviews he did over the years. i just hope they leave his words alone and let us read it in his own voice. a true gift that would be.

I sure hope that many generations to come can explore all sides of this extraordinary man.

http://www.geek.com/news/...t-1656188/

Noodled24 said:

we already have his lyrics, with many more to come...

dozens of interviews...

the many friends he left behind...

and still...

most all of that gets ignored...

how much more meaningful do the words have to be...

seriously.

Prince was at times, a seriously deep brother. Regrettably, this side of him was looked over so often when he was alive, including by a sizable amount of fans. At least now--posthumously--he is finally being taken seriously for his ideas and philosophies. He could be quite the intellect.

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The intro to "One Song" is just beautiful to behold, whether listening or reading. I have always loved Prince's writing in that he was willing to take up creative space to talk about something of substance. Even when he was talking JW teaching, which I couldn't connect with, I always found some grains of wisdom and compassion in his musings. He had a way of drawing my attention to a perspective, or some issue that prompted me to question, develop awareness, and think for myself. Reading "One Song", whether or not I believe or even understand what he is saying, is a joyful exercise in mental stimulation. But I certainly recognise and admire this track for its noble message of Unity.

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Plus listening to his voice on the intro is exquisite...bordering on hypnotic. Calms my spirit.

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One of the greatest powers an artist can wield is to awaken and raise the consciousness of the masses. That can mean drawing attention to uncomfortable, or just unpopular, truths. And THAT is what often gets a person labeled 'crazy' or in this case 'bonkers'. Even in death, Prince is extremely powerful in the way his some of his work continues to open minds and hearts, and affect the energy of our world.

Was he bonkers ? i don’t know ,but what i do know is that this 9 minute spoken word / music piece affected me. How often is it that u can vividly recall the moment u 1st experienced a particular work of art ? For me not often, i don’t remember the 1st time i saw Picasso's Guernica , or the 1st time i heard Whitman’s Songs at Sunset . but i sure as heck remember where I was , who I was with , and how it made me feel,upon my 1st viewing of the One Song Video, and aint that a sign of some pretty good art.

Now as 2 the contents of the spoken word part and the lyrics of the song, 2 me it was more of the silly hippy/spirituality stuff prince ( oh wait the dude making this hadn’t had a name 4 a few years now ) had been spouting 4 years, and i was cool with that, but in order to shock me he had to go waaaaay out there , and at the time this was.

Now would One Song b a 5 star song in my iPod without him dropping my jaw during the 1st part, i don’t know , u can’t unpop that cherry, but i do know that to this day when i hear the 1st line of “ I am the universe” I think back to that day 16 years years ago and thinking ,HOLY COW prince done lost his mind

[Edited 5/27/16 1:16am]

emesem said:

Came across the full introduction to "One Song" on the interwebs.

JFC..dude was out of his gord......This is Philip K Dick level stuff here:

1999... and the illusion continues. One begs 2 ask -
"when will it end?"

Unnatural disasters happen seemingly every week. Train crashes, shootings, nuclear accidents; is there any place of refuge one can flee from this insanity? Very few of mankind's creations r designed 2 make u feel good, unless u get pleasure from seeing the human body desecrated by guns, explosions, fights, and any other things these so-called "artists" create. In the name of freedom, many have used art as a means 2 destroy the human mind. As an excuse 2 continue we hear "Art reflects society". How many times has this lie been repeated: "creations r not real", they say and yet any one of these people can call 2 mind images and complete scenes of horror in graphic detail. They will carry these so-called "unreal" creations around with them 4 the rest of their lives. These images r now a part of their being. In the name of RECREATION these people in fact r re-creating themselves in their own images.
SOCIETY THEN REFLECTS ART.

In man's decision 2 further separate from God, his re-creation of himself leaves him in a dysfunctional state of confusion. The mind becomes a burial ground 4 dead waste. Isolated from the wholeness of God, Earth and his fellow brothers and sisters, this man seeks solace in activities he thinks will stimulate his mind. He begins downloading in2 his brain a series of manmade creations designed 2 destroy it. All manmade creations originate from one of 2 sources: the Tree of Knowledge or the Tree of Life. One of these trees contained deadly fruit, the other - Fruit of Everlasting Life. The one who disregards this fact recreates himself and his kind in2 extinction.

U r reading these words on a machine created by man. As u read, u hear a voice speaking 2 u the words that u perceive. They make sense 2 u because u understand (stand under) the SPELLing. The words r what binds this SPELL 2 ur illusion. When u hear the truth, like a memory - u recognize it and this recognition releases u from ALL illusion. Many languages r brilliant in their attempt 2 CONfuse u. CON meaning: against, fuse meaning: 2gether. Words and their SPELLbinding illusions have the power 2 keep man separate from God. U were born in an all-knowing state of mind. The first words spoken 2 u begin the SPELL. The words come from one of 2 sources: the Tree of Knowledge or the Tree of Life. In ignorance or simply lack of respect 4 God, many use words that CONfuse the minds of humans and turn them in2 projections of their own illusions. Because of this fact, many people grow up and blindly assume their pre-selected role under a dictatorship without even being aware of it. When asked what they r doing here on earth, most will answer with statements that do not reflect their natural God-given desires. This creates a pyramid-like structure with the dictator on top, and each level under it knowing less and less. Upon reaching the bottom level - which is where the majority is, u will find chaos, disorder, and illusion. With ILL as its prefix, ILLusion is a state of insanity. In the name of democracy, supreme power is vested un2 the people in this insane state instead of God. A future re-created, 2 b ruled by man, is one of isolation and despair. Returning the leadership back in2 God will allow mankind 2 achieve its original collective goal which is union with God. Ideas contrary 2 this goal should not b blamed or persecuted - just simply ignored. They originated when man first chose 2 ignore God's rule. Simply put - in the beginning, the Human was made perfect in God's image. They had no need 4 knowledge. They were also given freedom of choice. The Tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Life r reflections of this freedom. The human is now a reflection of their choice. They could have simply chose not 2 choose. God being centrifugal in nature, freedom was the CAUSE and choice was the EFFECT. In knowing their perfection made in God's image, there was no need 2 choose. In fact, their were NO NEEDS. There was only love in an all-knowing state b4 the fall. The worst thing u can do is give up ur God-given right 2 choose. 4 in it - u can choose not 2 choose. Therein is the final judgement. The illusion ceases and u awaken from ur dream. Now the healing begins...

With an all-knowing mind, made in God's image u can create as ur Creator - God intended. With love, honor and respect 4 every living thing in the universe. Separation ceases, and we all become One Being singing the One song.

I'm not sure if "bonkers" is exactly right, but he was certainly extremely credulous.

Bluu said:

Prince was at times, a seriously deep brother. Regrettably, this side of him was looked over so often when he was alive, including by a sizable amount of fans. At least now--posthumously--he is finally being taken seriously for his ideas and philosophies. He could be quite the intellect.

.

The intro to "One Song" is just beautiful to behold, whether listening or reading. I have always loved Prince's writing in that he was willing to take up creative space to talk about something of substance. Even when he was talking JW teaching, which I couldn't connect with, I always found some grains of wisdom and compassion in his musings. He had a way of drawing my attention to a perspective, or some issue that prompted me to question, develop awareness, and think for myself. Reading "One Song", whether or not I believe or even understand what he is saying, is a joyful exercise in mental stimulation. But I certainly recognise and admire this track for its noble message of Unity.

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Plus listening to his voice on the intro is exquisite...bordering on hypnotic. Calms my spirit.

.

One of the greatest powers an artist can wield is to awaken and raise the consciousness of the masses. That can mean drawing attention to uncomfortable, or just unpopular, truths. And THAT is what often gets a person labeled 'crazy' or in this case 'bonkers'. Even in death, Prince is extremely powerful in the way his some of his work continues to open minds and hearts, and affect the energy of our world.

WORD!

MJ007 said:

The thing about "crazy"... History is full of "crazy" people who dared to speak their unpopular opinions which helped to make positive shifts in the collective consciousness, or made discoveries based on their unpopular opinions and, thus, helped to evolve and change the fucking world. I'll take a person like that any day over someone who feels so threatened by an alternative viewpoint that they have to resort to pulling the "they're crazy or nuts" card in order to make themselves feel mentally superior.

Ah - the always reliable association fallacy! For every one "crazy" person who achieved the things you say, there are tens of thousands of others who... well.... Didn't.

Bluu said:

Prince was at times, a seriously deep brother. Regrettably, this side of him was looked over so often when he was alive, including by a sizable amount of fans. At least now--posthumously--he is finally being taken seriously for his ideas and philosophies. He could be quite the intellect.

.

The intro to "One Song" is just beautiful to behold, whether listening or reading. I have always loved Prince's writing in that he was willing to take up creative space to talk about something of substance. Even when he was talking JW teaching, which I couldn't connect with, I always found some grains of wisdom and compassion in his musings. He had a way of drawing my attention to a perspective, or some issue that prompted me to question, develop awareness, and think for myself. Reading "One Song", whether or not I believe or even understand what he is saying, is a joyful exercise in mental stimulation. But I certainly recognise and admire this track for its noble message of Unity.

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Plus listening to his voice on the intro is exquisite...bordering on hypnotic. Calms my spirit.

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One of the greatest powers an artist can wield is to awaken and raise the consciousness of the masses. That can mean drawing attention to uncomfortable, or just unpopular, truths. And THAT is what often gets a person labeled 'crazy' or in this case 'bonkers'. Even in death, Prince is extremely powerful in the way his some of his work continues to open minds and hearts, and affect the energy of our world.

Excellent points!

McD said:

Noodled24 said:

When? Again... gonna need those quotes.

[Edited 5/26/16 10:42am]

Bloody hell, this is a Prince fan forum. When did he actually SAY about blood transfusions, you are asking? Hearsay? I mean it's not like he said it on his bloody albums is it? Listen to the records from his NPGMC years, then come back to the thread. It was such a big deal he declared this position as clearly as he could in more than one album.

Did he? "Silicon" kind of makes reference... but not really. Not in any meaningful sense.

And as for him shunning gays, this was confirmed by W & L, after Prince said he couldn't work for them and they knew why. By all means claim they are mistaken.

Yeeaahh... although W&L later colaborated on some of the songs on "Planet Earth". They also played together at the Brit awards... and on some American talk show.

Incidentally, it's just pitiful to just put quotation marks around something I've posted when you can clearly tell I'm not quoting, then ask where 'that exact quote' comes from. I mean, really.

I agree, it's absolutely unreasonable to ask someone to back up what they're saying. You should just be able to make up any bullshit and run with it.

Lianachan said:

MJ007 said:

The thing about "crazy"... History is full of "crazy" people who dared to speak their unpopular opinions which helped to make positive shifts in the collective consciousness, or made discoveries based on their unpopular opinions and, thus, helped to evolve and change the fucking world. I'll take a person like that any day over someone who feels so threatened by an alternative viewpoint that they have to resort to pulling the "they're crazy or nuts" card in order to make themselves feel mentally superior.

Ah - the always reliable association fallacy! For every one "crazy" person who achieved the things you say, there are tens of thousands of others who... well.... Didn't.

Ah - the glass is half empty state of mind. Refreshing and useful - NOT.

[Edited 5/27/16 14:48pm]

MJ007 said: