morningsong said:

tmo1965 said:

If Prince had been dead for about 6 hours, wouldn't the deputies have known. I would think that he would have been cold and blue by then.

That's really morbid and not an image I want etched in my psyche but it's way too late now it's been brought up so many times, so here I go. You would assume law enforcement would instantly know whether someone is dead or not to warrant CPR and this is the first time I've heard the deputies showed up first, then the paramedics. I thought it was already established that the paramedics took 5 minutes to get there, maybe not, maybe that's another conjecture somebody put in I suppose. Honestly, I think people are just inserting scenerios that make sense to them and presenting them as facts, there are way too many holes with the actual facts we have.

The call goes in to 911. That's the police department. Paramedics are with the fire department. It makes total sense that police are the first to arrive on the scene. Plus, there are more police "floating" around that can respond to a call than there are paramedics/firefighters.

Will the autopsy results give us the full story or can things be hidden or kept out of the report?

I'm torn. Half of me wants to know what happened; the other half feels that whatever battles or demons he was fighting, he was a private man and would not want them made public. I would like the autopsy findings to keep his dignity intact and his privacy respected, but will that happen? Do all autopsies get made public as a matter of course?

RaspberryKiren said:

Will the autopsy results give us the full story or can things be hidden or kept out of the report?

I'm torn. Half of me wants to know what happened; the other half feels that whatever battles or demons he was fighting, he was a private man and would not want them made public. I would like the autopsy findings to keep his dignity intact and his privacy respected, but will that happen? Do all autopsies get made public as a matter of course?

i don't know, Michael Jackson autopsy was crazily invasive because people were so fascinated by him. Elvis' official autopsy is still sealed for a few more years. Liberace tried to hide his cause of death by getting him in the ground before anyone could do an autopsy, the vile coroner in the area interrupted the hearst on the way to the graveyard and got a complete autopsy with bizarre details. Whitney Houstons was pretty detailed and i Understand her daughters was pretty secret.

PeteSilas said:

RaspberryKiren said:

Will the autopsy results give us the full story or can things be hidden or kept out of the report?

I'm torn. Half of me wants to know what happened; the other half feels that whatever battles or demons he was fighting, he was a private man and would not want them made public. I would like the autopsy findings to keep his dignity intact and his privacy respected, but will that happen? Do all autopsies get made public as a matter of course?

i don't know, Michael Jackson autopsy was crazily invasive because people were so fascinated by him. Elvis' official autopsy is still sealed for a few more years. Liberace tried to hide his cause of death by getting him in the ground before anyone could do an autopsy, the vile coroner in the area interrupted the hearst on the way to the graveyard and got a complete autopsy with bizarre details. Whitney Houstons was pretty detailed and i Understand her daughters was pretty secret.

So perhaps it depends on the coroner? Thanks Pete.

... I did wonder whether the reason he was cremated, and so fast, was to do with there being something that the family wants to keep hidden, or that Prince expressed a wish to keep private. It just seemed so hasty, so rushed. I'm sure all the tests that needed to be done have been done but maybe they were hoping that a quick ceremony would put things to rest faster, so to speak - but in fact it's only increased speculation. I do hope that if Prince expressed his views at any stage that they are being respected and that they will be taken into account with regards to how the information is released eventually.

RaspberryKiren said:

PeteSilas said:

i don't know, Michael Jackson autopsy was crazily invasive because people were so fascinated by him. Elvis' official autopsy is still sealed for a few more years. Liberace tried to hide his cause of death by getting him in the ground before anyone could do an autopsy, the vile coroner in the area interrupted the hearst on the way to the graveyard and got a complete autopsy with bizarre details. Whitney Houstons was pretty detailed and i Understand her daughters was pretty secret.

So perhaps it depends on the coroner? Thanks Pete.

... I did wonder whether the reason he was cremated, and so fast, was to do with there being something that the family wants to keep hidden, or that Prince expressed a wish to keep private. It just seemed so hasty, so rushed. I'm sure all the tests that needed to be done have been done but maybe they were hoping that a quick ceremony would put things to rest faster, so to speak - but in fact it's only increased speculation. I do hope that if Prince expressed his views at any stage that they are being respected and that they will be taken into account with regards to how the information is released eventually.

I think the family had him cremated so soon because there was a real danger of body desecration. There are some nutters out there.
Since he was so private, I believe his family made sure things were kept as private as possible. It must be really scary being in that situation, having to handle the logistics with a body that many newspapers and crazy fans would attempt to photograph, for instance. I mean, they all saw what happened with MJ, WH, etc.

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MMJas said:

RaspberryKiren said:

So perhaps it depends on the coroner? Thanks Pete.

... I did wonder whether the reason he was cremated, and so fast, was to do with there being something that the family wants to keep hidden, or that Prince expressed a wish to keep private. It just seemed so hasty, so rushed. I'm sure all the tests that needed to be done have been done but maybe they were hoping that a quick ceremony would put things to rest faster, so to speak - but in fact it's only increased speculation. I do hope that if Prince expressed his views at any stage that they are being respected and that they will be taken into account with regards to how the information is released eventually.

I think the family had him cremated so soon because there was a real danger of body desecration. There are some nutters out there.
Since he was so private, I believe his family made sure things were kept as private as possible. It must be really scary being in that situation, having to handle the logistics with a body that many newspapers and crazy fans would attempt to photograph, for instance. I mean, they all saw what happened with MJ, WH, etc.

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I didn't even think of that. How very sad

RaspberryKiren said:

Mumio said:

morningsong said:

That's really morbid and not an image I want etched in my psyche but it's way too late now it's been brought up so many times, so here I go. You would assume law enforcement would instantly know whether someone is dead or not to warrant CPR and this is the first time I've heard the deputies showed up first, then the paramedics. I thought it was already established that the paramedics took 5 minutes to get there, maybe not, maybe that's another conjecture somebody put in I suppose. Honestly, I think people are just inserting scenerios that make sense to them and presenting them as facts, there are way too many holes with the actual facts we have.

The call goes in to 911. That's the police department. Paramedics are with the fire department. It makes total sense that police are the first to arrive on the scene. Plus, there are more police "floating" around that can respond to a call than there are paramedics/firefighters.

This is true, except all first responders - police, fire, EMS - are connected to the same central dispatch system and can hear the simultaneous chatter being broadcast by dispatchers on a given radio channel. Anyone with a police scanner can listen. There are some private channels police can switch to that can't be picked by the public. Perhaps the deputies heard the chatter, were closer to Paisley Park when they heard the address - and recognized it - from dispatch and happened to get there ahead of EMS. I don't know.

It hurts my heart to now know that Prince laid collapsed in that elevator all alone in that sprawling complex with no cell phone to call anyone for help, if he was even able. It makes me incredibly sad.

This is true, except all first responders - police, fire, EMS - are connected to the same central dispatch system and can hear the simultaneous chatter being broadcast by dispatchers on a given radio channel. Anyone with a police scanner can listen. There are some private channels police can switch to that can't be picked by the public. Perhaps the deputies heard the chatter, were closer to Paisley Park when they heard the address - and recognized it - from dispatch and happened to get there ahead of EMS. I don't know.

cardinal said:

morningsong said:

Yeah, I'm bracing for something I don't want to hear, but what can one do, got to wait until all test are done and done well, which I prefer more.

agree. for some reason, i really trust that minnesota sheriff. I think he is a stand up guy and will do the right thing by prince. also, we know that whatever comes out will be put under the microscope by the media, the heirs, and the fams. so whether it is legal/criminal matters or just medical, they gotta get it right the first time, cuz ain't gonna be no retakes on this report...once its out there, its out there for all to see and scrutinize.

Sheriff Olsen is a good man. He was a friend to Prince. He said that he stayed with Prince the whole time, up until the MEs came for him.

ChanGirl said:

cardinal said:

and heeeere come the tears again..,thank you sheriff for giving prince the privacy and respect he deserved

ChanGirl said:

cardinal said:

morningsong said: agree. for some reason, i really trust that minnesota sheriff. I think he is a stand up guy and will do the right thing by prince. also, we know that whatever comes out will be put under the microscope by the media, the heirs, and the fams. so whether it is legal/criminal matters or just medical, they gotta get it right the first time, cuz ain't gonna be no retakes on this report...once its out there, its out there for all to see and scrutinize.

Sheriff Olsen is a good man. He was a friend to Prince. He said that he stayed with Prince the whole time, up until the MEs came for him.

That's a nice thing to know in all this.

blue22 said:

It may be different in various countries. But the doctor would still be held accountable as if it was a 'lifesaving mission', exact words, I just watched the video. If it was indeed a lifesaving mission, then 911 should be called. Anything lifesaving cannot wait until someone's schedule clears. Or until someone can take a red-eye from across the country. Fact is that Prince was in the State of Minnesota. Cali doctors lawyer is saying that he liaised with the Minnesota doctor and that doctor arranged to see Prince the following day. Absolutely diabolical. Lifesaving means NOW. If they do not hold Prince's doctor accountable then there is no justice. That doctor knew what happened the previous week. Maybe he was in over his head. Maybe he was out of his league or expertise. Whatever the case may be, doctor is accountable.

And before anyone wants to repute what I'm saying, again, it may be different in other countries, but where I am, lifesaying means emergency. No questions asked.

In the field of addiction, helping someone to become sober/free of addiction/free of chemicals is indeed considered and commonly called a life-saving mission. Your comments are ignoring the reported addiction, and the CA doctor being an addiction specialist.

Secondly, according to multiple reports (although not confirmed officially yet) Prince received care at a hospital that day and also was seen at PP by a doctor that same evening. For someone who is competent and stable (which is what that visiting doctor reported, "serious but stable"), that is the most that can be done. You cannot force such an adult to stay in the hospital, an option Prince clearly declined multiple times.

Thirdly, in your telling of the story there are only two doctors - the one in CA who was not yet Prince's doctor, and the one he was scheduled to see the following morning, who was also not yet Prince's doctor. Neither can or should be held accountable for the health status of a person who was not yet their patient, who was not present nearby, and who they were not yet treating. Nor were they formally on-call/on-duty for an institution who was treating him.

Under the law, it would be the person present with the victim during an emergency who is obligated to act. Again, that does not apply to either of those doctors.

"A person at the scene of an emergency who knows that another person is exposed to or has suffered grave physical harm shall, to the extent that the person can do so without danger or peril to self or others, give reasonable assistance to the exposed person. Reasonable assistance may include obtaining or attempting to obtain aid from law enforcement or medical personnel."

People closest to Prince state he was NOT addicted to anything. Sure may have saught advice, treatment for pain, but that is far from being an addict. Why folks are so willing to accept this without question is mind boggling to me.

leadline said:

People closest to Prince state he was NOT addicted to anything. Sure may have saught advice, treatment for pain, but that is far from being an addict. Why folks are so willing to accept this without question is mind boggling to me.

give me a break...JUST because "people closest to prince " state sumptin dont make it true

what is the actual date when info is supposed to be known/ released???

leadline said:

People closest to Prince state he was NOT addicted to anything. Sure may have saught advice, treatment for pain, but that is far from being an addict. Why folks are so willing to accept this without question is mind boggling to me.

All I've read is those who say they personally had not seen him take drugs, and had not seen him behave as though he were high. How would it be possible for them to know anything further?

It's unfair to say folks are accepting this without question. All we can do is go with what has been reported and what we see happening, which so far is all consistent with a prescription drug problem.

Eileen said:

leadline said:

People closest to Prince state he was NOT addicted to anything. Sure may have saught advice, treatment for pain, but that is far from being an addict. Why folks are so willing to accept this without question is mind boggling to me.

All I've read is those who say they personally had not seen him take drugs, and had not seen him behave as though he were high. How would it be possible for them to know anything further?

It's unfair to say folks are accepting this without question. All we can do is go with what has been reported and what we see happening, which so far is all consistent with a prescription drug problem.

I think we all need to be careful in accepting what we are being spoon fed at face value. Most of these news stories are pure speculation and conjecture. Everything Prince stood for was anti-addicition, in every aspect of life, be it drugs, alcohol, etc. He treated his body like a temple his entire life, his message on these topics is clear. The fact that he looked like he was in his 30's still, and had as much energy as he did in the 80's in concerts as late as 2015 is a testament to that. If we all sit back for a moment and really think about this, those who have followed Prince for a long time, know darn well he had no addiction. He was a person if incredible will and determination, the discerning person has to come to the conclusion that addiction is simply not in the cards. Right now I will stick with what the folks who were closest to him are saying, and, what I know of Prince's character from decades of following the man, which is that there is now way in hell was an addict.

We will see what happens when and if these results are ever released.

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luvsexy4all said:

cardinal said:

ChanGirl said:

Sheriff Olsen is a good man. He was a friend to Prince. He said that he stayed with Prince the whole time, up until the MEs came for him.

oh damn just when i got through a day with no tears. don't feel bad though please....i am glad you put this out there. i knew in my heart that the sheriff was good people. i can see him staying by prince and having a respectful vigil until the me came, making sure no one took any photos or stared at him like that. and heeeere come the tears again..,thank you sheriff for giving prince the privacy and respect he deserved

I'm glad the sheriff was there watching over him - somehow this eases my heart a bit, to know there was a responsible person who could handle Prince with dignity and respect....I'm glad he was guarded and protected.

Mumio said:

Eileen said:

blue22 said:

It may be different in various countries. But the doctor would still be held accountable as if it was a 'lifesaving mission', exact words, I just watched the video. If it was indeed a lifesaving mission, then 911 should be called. Anything lifesaving cannot wait until someone's schedule clears. Or until someone can take a red-eye from across the country. Fact is that Prince was in the State of Minnesota. Cali doctors lawyer is saying that he liaised with the Minnesota doctor and that doctor arranged to see Prince the following day. Absolutely diabolical. Lifesaving means NOW. If they do not hold Prince's doctor accountable then there is no justice. That doctor knew what happened the previous week. Maybe he was in over his head. Maybe he was out of his league or expertise. Whatever the case may be, doctor is accountable.

And before anyone wants to repute what I'm saying, again, it may be different in other countries, but where I am, lifesaying means emergency. No questions asked.

In the field of addiction, helping someone to become sober/free of addiction/free of chemicals is indeed considered and commonly called a life-saving mission. Your comments are ignoring the reported addiction, and the CA doctor being an addiction specialist.

Secondly, according to multiple reports (although not confirmed officially yet) Prince received care at a hospital that day and also was seen at PP by a doctor that same evening. For someone who is competent and stable (which is what that visiting doctor reported, "serious but stable"), that is the most that can be done. You cannot force such an adult to stay in the hospital, an option Prince clearly declined multiple times.

Thirdly, in your telling of the story there are only two doctors - the one in CA who was not yet Prince's doctor, and the one he was scheduled to see the following morning, who was also not yet Prince's doctor. Neither can or should be held accountable for the health status of a person who was not yet their patient, who was not present nearby, and who they were not yet treating. Nor were they formally on-call/on-duty for an institution who was treating him.

Under the law, it would be the person present with the victim during an emergency who is obligated to act. Again, that does not apply to either of those doctors.

"A person at the scene of an emergency who knows that another person is exposed to or has suffered grave physical harm shall, to the extent that the person can do so without danger or peril to self or others, give reasonable assistance to the exposed person. Reasonable assistance may include obtaining or attempting to obtain aid from law enforcement or medical personnel."

Sorry Eileen, I respectfully disagree.

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On the bolded above, the doctors both agreed to treat him. Sending someone out to see him carrying medication is agreeing to treat him. That's not even half of what is wrong with your statement. Cali doctor clearly accepted him as a patient. So did other doctor.

There is a recognised duty of care for all healthcare professionals, whether you have taken someone on as a patient or not. If someone calls you for help and you are unable to repsond, you should seek other help, which Cali doctor did. MN doctor then made a judgement and the rest is history.

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Also I am not assuming there were only 2 doctors. I have no idea, just like you have no idea.

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Also, you have no idea what I know about the field of addiction or anything I have to do with it or who I know to do with any of this, but I'm gonna let you finish.

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Also, as you have said nothing has yet been confirmed. Therefore, you don't know the circumstances around Prince not staying in hospital on any of his admissions. Its all hearesay as of now.

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Look, we are all trying to get through what is a terrible tragedy in my opinion. As many have said on many different threads, going over it in your mind and trying to figure it all out seems to be helping people. Lets try to help each other.

cardinal said:

This is true, except all first responders - police, fire, EMS - are connected to the same central dispatch system and can hear the simultaneous chatter being broadcast by dispatchers on a given radio channel. Anyone with a police scanner can listen. There are some private channels police can switch to that can't be picked by the public. Perhaps the deputies heard the chatter, were closer to Paisley Park when they heard the address - and recognized it - from dispatch and happened to get there ahead of EMS. I don't know.

It hurts my heart to now know that Prince laid collapsed in that elevator all alone in that sprawling complex with no cell phone to call anyone for help, if he was even able. It makes me incredibly sad.

i also am very sad to think of him passed away in the elevator for so long, it seems that he ended his life as he lived it, much of it alone and it breaks my heart. but i am much more concerned about what you said, whether he was there without a phone needing help. i am concerned about how long he may have been there before losing consciousnss and what transpired before he did. we know he died in an ELEVATOR, and we know he was alone, and we know he was gone for some time before found..,those sad facts will not likely change. the best we can hope for at this point is to find out that he was busy puttering around pp making music, stepped into the elevator to go somewhere, and instantly lost consciousness and passed quickly without any distress, pain or anguish. i fear that may not be the case, but i will continue to hope until i am told otherwise.

Aren't all elevators fitted with an emergency system?

blue22 said:

Eileen said:

In the field of addiction, helping someone to become sober/free of addiction/free of chemicals is indeed considered and commonly called a life-saving mission. Your comments are ignoring the reported addiction, and the CA doctor being an addiction specialist.

<snip remainder>

Sorry Eileen, I respectfully disagree.

On the bolded above, the doctors both agreed to treat him. Sending someone out to see him carrying medication is agreeing to treat him. That's not even half of what is wrong with your statement. Cali doctor clearly accepted him as a patient. So did other doctor.

<snip remainder>

Yes, we will agree to disagree. I don't know which country you are referencing, I reference the laws and patients rights here in Minnesota. There is too much to disagree with to go further.

Hopefully more will become confirmed and clearer in time for all.

leadline said:

I think we all need to be careful in accepting what we are being spoon fed at face value. Most of these news stories are pure speculation and conjecture. Everything Prince stood for was anti-addicition, in every aspect of life, be it drugs, alcohol, etc. He treated his body like a temple his entire life, his message on these topics is clear. The fact that he looked like he was in his 30's still, and had as much energy as he did in the 80's in concerts as late as 2015 is a testament to that. If we all sit back for a moment and really think about this, those who have followed Prince for a long time, know darn well he had no addiction. He was a person if incredible will and determination, the discerning person has to come to the conclusion that addiction is simply not in the cards. Right now I will stick with what the folks who were closest to him are saying, and, what I know of Prince's character from decades of following the man, which is that there is now way in hell was an addict.

We will see what happens when and if these results are ever released.

[Edited 5/26/16 18:46pm]

Excatly, the media have been constantly carrying on the drug narrative while it's still in the headlines, until the next big celeb mysteriously passes away. Why people are trying to work out what happened from these 'stories' is a mystery, getting caught up in rabbit-holes.

MMJas said:

cardinal said:

MMJas said:

Aren't all elevators fitted with an emergency system?

not being a fan of elevators myself, i tend to avoid them. but i do remember the sheriff saying there was no phone in the elevator. whether or not it has an emergency button i don't know...but that is an important point. because what if prince was home alone and the elevator malfunctioned? he would need to alert someone so he didn't get stuck in there (or anyone who may have been at pp in the elevator). i guess more unknowns that we will maybe find out when the report comes out. but perhaps it means it all happened too fast to even hit an emergency button if there was one.

Yes, I'm sure the elevator was fitted with some alarm system, it's security protocol, I believe.

Only yesterday a JW came round to the condo where I live. I could hear him knocking on people's doors and some not answering. I was listening to Prince (naturally) and thought about his faith and that story that circulated a while back about him personally knocking on people's doors. Then the guy got in the elevator and it got stuck! He had to ring the emergency alarm in order for someone to get him out of there. That's when it came to me that Prince elevator must have been fitted with an alarm system as well (I never use mine, hate elevators). The fact that this poor guy was a JW just blew my mind. The timing and coincidence.

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