PeteSilas said:

herb4 said:

PeteSilas said:

if that turns out to be the case you would think the plane incident would be enough to make him take radical steps. None of it makes sense yet. So here we are just going in circles.

It makes perfect sense. I think we know enough in a general sense to more or less know what happened

I don't, i'm still confused by all of it. Somehow, I don't know if any of it was as avoidable as we might think. The whole thing is going to take time to figure out.

Bruce Lee's death was mysterious as well and still starts plenty of arguements. You have the faction who think he was murdered, the faction who really believes the "official" cause of death as an allergic reaction to equagesic and you have the doctors who were treating him previously who say he had an allergic reaction to ingested hashish. I hope Prince's passing isn't anywhere near as wierd as Bruce's. We do not know everything, doctors don't, scientists don't, i just hope we get some semblance of a reason why this man isn't here anymore.

Mumio said:

Eileen said:

Don't recall the specifics however I don't think everyone arrived at once. Deputies probably first, followed by EMS. The sheriff's official reports and press release say CPR was performed. No reason to think they are lying about that, but it was probably minimal.

Hi Eileen- I don't think they are lying either, but it's not standard EMS protocol to perform CPR on a dead person. Given that they've already said that rigor mortis had set in, there were visible signs of that and they just wouldn't have done it. Maybe the police started it, but paramedics wouldn't have done it. I can speak to this because my husband is a first responder...a paramedic/fire fighter.

Yes true, that's what I was trying to say - that I understood two teams had gone out and the EMS team arrived last, and they were the ones who officially pronounced him DOA and therefore weren't obligated to try CPR.

when it comes to superstars, everyone loses their minds. They tried to revive MJ bad enough to where they would have killed him if he was still alive, Bruce Lee the same thing, Elvis, well Elvis, the first responders came to the scene to find Elvis men trying to revive a corpse, one of the men related later that he thought the purplish person was a black man and that he wondered why they were working on someone who was obviously dead, then, when they learned it was elvis, i think more attempts were made. So, it's not like it's you or me they are coming to rescue.

Check this video out. It runs a clip of the emergency call and it clearly states that CPR was administered, by a paramedic.

http://kplr11.com/2016/04/24/how-prince-stayed-so-private-in-the-age-of-celebrity/

So how come there are now reports stating he was probably dead for 6 hours? Too many unanswered questions.

This is normal procedure.

My wife's aunt passed away with my mother in law and they worked on he dead body for an hour before going to the hospital.

As for the autopsy they know what caused his death and are waiting for full toxicology reports to come back before announcing them. They are also investigating these pain doctors and checking where certain medications came from.

I am hoping that knowing the actual cause of death and all the pieces, if they are ever revealed, will help me to heal.

But this is really taking time, and I think that is contributing to my anger. But on the other hand I am so happy that they are doing their jobs and really working to find out what happened.

It must be complicated.

I just realised that my anger is turning into sorrow now. So that's a good thing.

muleFunk said:

This is normal procedure.

My wife's aunt passed away with my mother in law and they worked on he dead body for an hour before going to the hospital.

As for the autopsy they know what caused his death and are waiting for full toxicology reports to come back before announcing them. They are also investigating these pain doctors and checking where certain medications came from.

Sorry....but no, it is not. I'm not going to get into it with anyone here, it's not worth arguing over. But I wouldn't have made the statement if I wasn't certain about what I'm talking about.

MMJas said:

Check this video out. It runs a clip of the emergency call and it clearly states that CPR was administered, by a paramedic.

http://kplr11.com/2016/04/24/how-prince-stayed-so-private-in-the-age-of-celebrity/

So how come there are now reports stating he was probably dead for 6 hours? Too many unanswered questions.

There is no way to verify that the "call" we're hearing is related to Prince....no description, no names, no address. It's an extremely generic clip in terms of what's being said...and I don't put it past media to throw things in that they think may have happened. ETA: if you do a search in Google, you'll find multiple outlets that have a transcript of the call. USA Today had it.

[Edited 5/25/16 7:55am]

jaypotton said:

Mumio said:

They need to release the results by the end of this week so that we can honor his birthdate without this cloud. How he died will give some of us a tiny bit of closure, but I'm finding that I get more closure celebrating him now. So, let's get this over with so the press can have a field day for a few days and then we can have a purple June 7th.

donnyenglish said:

I wish we at least had some idea, and I don't mean anything from the likes of TMZ or the tabloids at the grocery store. I would think the Medical Examiner office has to have some idea by now, or even had an idea on April 22nd. Even if there is an investgation on the medication side of things, they can still release the cause of death. When this first happened, there were questions. But, instead of some answers we are left with even more questions. It is hard to heal or try to find any closure when we have no idea what happened or why. If the toxicology is going to continue to take a while, I wish they would at least give a prelim report. They could also change things after full toxicology is in.

I just hope they checked for everything and anything. I would hate for them to draw conclusions and overlook something that could have been a contributing factor. Given this is Minnesota, I have more faith in them then I do a lot of other states or cities, but I still worry.

It still does not seem real. It may never seem real. I don't know.

mailaccount63 said:

I just wanted to briefly revisit a topic that we were discussing earlier on Part 1 of this thread:

And that was (ad libbing) here:
If Prince was physically in such bad shape, his handlers should have called 911, and not a doctor from another state that had never seen him before.

Now I am not disagreeing with this. But.....

The problem with that is: If you are using heavy-duty painkillers (Schedule II Controlled Substances) to deal with a chronic pain syndrome, when there is an emergency, often the responding medical team members freeze when they hear the "patient" (for lack of a better word) is using painkillers (Schedule II) - they just do not know how to deal with this, AND they don't want the liability.

For sake of this discussion, for example, when my cousin (whom I have previously mentioned has a chronic arthritic pain syndrome) accidently cut her foot when she dropped a glass on the kitchen floor, the EMT squad came, and after asking common questions like: What type of medications are you on? etc.; they wouldn't do anything except wrap her foot really tight with a compress and transport her to the local ER. At the ER, the doctors there froze up, and she ended up waiting an hour+ in one of the ER rooms because they had to check out her story with ALL of her doctors: her general MD, and her pain management doctor, etc. They told the ER doctors that my cousin has really good control of her medications (her doctors count every single pill), that she had never OD'd, etc. Only after her story was completely backed up by her doctors, would the ER doctors finally treat my cousin: washed her foot, stitches, applied antiseptic, vaccination shot, etc. She had to wait in pain all of this time until her story checked out.

At a later appointment, my cousin's main/general MD made the comment that he didn't want my cousin, since she is his patient, dying on HIS watch.

The point I am trying to make with all of this is: Yeah, calling 911 probably would have been the right thing to do. But it probably would have taken some time to get to a doctor that would know what to do in a case like this. I think that Prince needed a Pain Management Doctor. Would a Pain Management Doctor have been available to take a 911 distress call?!?!?

We need to wait until the autopsy results come out to know exactly what Prince was going through. But since we seem to be debating the pros/cons of pain relief, I just wanted to point out that just not any old doctor would have known how to help Prince.

[Edited 5/22/16 16:35pm]

Thanks for sharing.

The MD in California is also a pain managment doctor, not just addiction specialist. So, in a way, we do not know if he was anticipating on treating pain managment or addiction or tolerance or what. What makes me so upset is this doctor sent his son with medications without knowing anything about his new patient which is actually illegal. I have even heard of doctors having their licenses sanctioned for writing for a Z-pak for a fam member and not having proper charting as doctor MUST chart on their patient if prescribing anything. So, whatever the cause of death, the doctor in California and his son are in trouble (the son could be charged with practicing without a license but they may let it slide since Prince passed before he made it to him). Compare that to the story you shared where doctors were checking, etc. I hate to say it but the doctor in Cali and his son IMO were greedy and trying to take advantage of a situation we still do not understand. I hate that your cousin had to suffer longer than likely necessary but can understand why they did what they did though it was obvious she needed treatment.

Does anybody think the ME office will be bought off???

Its been about 5 weeks now.Sometimes these reports come out on a friday or a holiday lets hope.

pureTsexy said:

anangellooksdown said:

I have felt from the beginning that THE HOSPITAL IN MOLINE bears some responsibility for what happened. I hope this is looked at thoroughly.

I have to agree with this.

Mumio said:

MMJas said:

Check this video out. It runs a clip of the emergency call and it clearly states that CPR was administered, by a paramedic.

http://kplr11.com/2016/04/24/how-prince-stayed-so-private-in-the-age-of-celebrity/

So how come there are now reports stating he was probably dead for 6 hours? Too many unanswered questions.

There is no way to verify that the "call" we're hearing is related to Prince....no description, no names, no address. It's an extremely generic clip in terms of what's being said...and I don't put it past media to throw things in that they think may have happened. ETA: if you do a search in Google, you'll find multiple outlets that have a transcript of the call. USA Today had it.

[Edited 5/25/16 7:55am]

I guess you are right about that.

The Star-Tribune reported weeks ago that Prince had been under a local doctor's care for withdrawal symptoms for his opiod addiction:

http://www.startribune.co...378419741/

So that had been reported (and the Star-Tribune is a highly reputable source). And it's also been well-reported that the plane incident was an opiod overdose.

We don't know with certainty why he started taking opiods (for pain? That would make sense). And while we don't know the role opiods played in his death, it's not a huge stretch to think they played a role. That doesn't mean he didn't have another chronic or terminal illness, but in my opinion it seems less likely that the illness is what caused his death at that specific time.

Selena4641 said:

I'm a retired Mortician, so I've worked with the Medical Examiners in my city in the past. I'm pretty sure the ME (Medical Examiner) knows how Prince died, but is awaiting further Tox results. The ME can run their own basic Tox screen and also send blood and tissue samples out to be tested by another Lab. The results of the Tox screen report will show whether or not Prince was taking whatever medications correctly. Or in other words, at a therapeutic level. Another reason it's taking some time is because if there are narcotics involved, they will basically track down where and who Prince was getting them from, and look through the prescribing Doctor's records to see if that Doctor broke the law. I'm writing this out because I've seen people on this website state things like "Why is it taking so long" etc. Also, a 4 hour autopsy is not short, I don't know what talking head on tv put that out there. Every autopsy will take different amounts of time. There is no rule that states an autopsy must be X hours long. Also, if Prince had hip replacement, that would have been removed prior to cremation. It is done by the Mortician. You can't cremate anyone with Metal, Titanium, a Pacemaker etc, it will ruin the (retort) oven. I'm not trying to be morbid or upset anyone, I'm trying to explain how things work, that's all.

Thanks for the information.

mailaccount63 said:

anangellooksdown said:

I have felt from the beginning that THE HOSPITAL IN MOLINE bears some responsibility for what happened. I hope this is looked at thoroughly.

I have to agree with this.

Disagree that the hospital bears responsibility. Unless Prince was judged as incompetent or a danger to himself/others, no facility can hold him against his will, and he'd be allowed to leave AMA (against medical advice...if that were the case)for any reason he wanted to. This is everyone's right. As long as the hospital followed protocol in treating him, that is all they are obligated to do. We may not like his choices, but we do have to respect them.

Selena4641 said:

I'm a retired Mortician, so I've worked with the Medical Examiners in my city in the past. I'm pretty sure the ME (Medical Examiner) knows how Prince died, but is awaiting further Tox results. The ME can run their own basic Tox screen and also send blood and tissue samples out to be tested by another Lab. The results of the Tox screen report will show whether or not Prince was taking whatever medications correctly. Or in other words, at a therapeutic level. Another reason it's taking some time is because if there are narcotics involved, they will basically track down where and who Prince was getting them from, and look through the prescribing Doctor's records to see if that Doctor broke the law. I'm writing this out because I've seen people on this website state things like "Why is it taking so long" etc. Also, a 4 hour autopsy is not short, I don't know what talking head on tv put that out there. Every autopsy will take different amounts of time. There is no rule that states an autopsy must be X hours long. Also, if Prince had hip replacement, that would have been removed prior to cremation. It is done by the Mortician. You can't cremate anyone with Metal, Titanium, a Pacemaker etc, it will ruin the (retort) oven. I'm not trying to be morbid or upset anyone, I'm trying to explain how things work, that's all.

Thank you Selena4641. I understand the process but I'm glad you put it out there for those who don't.