From part 1: http://prince.org/msg/7/423528

Continuing discussion regarding the autopsy report and investigation of Prince's health and condition at the time of his passing: factual information, please, avoiding rumors and defamatory comments.

USA Today article from 5/19, not sure if any of it is news here.

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Bullet points:

• "[T]here's no resolution in sight at least for a few more weeks."
• Kirk Johnson has hired a criminal defense attorney
• PRINCE Act was dropped due to first amendment concerns
• Tyka didn't include Duane Nelson Sr. as a known sibling for undisclosed reasons

Someone in the last thread mentioned there could be a 150-day period before the results would be released to the public. I'm trying to find something that corroborates that likelihood but I'm not having any luck.

[Edited 5/22/16 9:15am]

Just replying to be subscribed.

eyewishuheaven said:

ditto

kapo74 said:

Can this part be closed untill the official report is released? Or do we really need another 50 pages of speculation?

Some of us are grieving here and talking about what could have caused Prince's sudden death or speculating, as you call it, is helping me cope with the loss of my favorite singer for most of my life, the past 38 years. I've been down with Prince since his very first LP when I was 12 years old.

tmo1965 said:

eyewishuheaven said:

morningsong said:

eyewishuheaven said:

Just replying to be subscribed.

Zoooooooooom. Right over my head. What?

Just so that I'll be notified of new replies in this thread on my 'My Org' page. For some reason, clicking the 'Subscribe' button on the bottom of a thread doesn't enable this feature.

[EDIT: a distinct 'Speculation' thread is not a bad idea though!]

[Edited 5/22/16 11:22am]

kapo74 said:

eyewishuheaven said:

NinaB said:

eyewishuheaven said:

Just replying to be subscribed.

& me

You could just click the subscribe button, which is next to reply

TheEnglishGent said:

Good grief. If you don't want to read any speculation, no one is forcing you to come to this thread so please step out. I can't for the life of me figure out why some people here just want to stifle other people from saying what is on their mind. There's moderators here, there's rules...and if someone violates the rules then the mods will take care of it. People work out their grief however they have to and no one needs to approve of another's way of dealing. Please don't read what you don't like and let others be.

kapo74 said:

delinquent said:

USA Today article from 5/19, not sure if any of it is news here.

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Bullet points:

• "[T]here's no resolution in sight at least for a few more weeks."
• Kirk Johnson has hired a criminal defense attorney
• PRINCE Act was dropped due to first amendment concerns
• Tyka didn't include Duane Nelson Sr. as a known sibling for undisclosed reasons

Someone in the last thread mentioned there could be a 150-day period before the results would be released to the public. I'm trying to find something that corroborates that likelihood but I'm not having any luck.

[Edited 5/22/16 9:15am]

I don't think Kirk Johnson hiring a lawyer is a bad thing or indicating any guilt or responsibility.

Mumio said:

I just wanted to briefly revisit a topic that we were discussing earlier on Part 1 of this thread:

And that was (ad libbing) here:
If Prince was physically in such bad shape, his handlers should have called 911, and not a doctor from another state that had never seen him before.

Now I am not disagreeing with this. But.....

The problem with that is: If you are using heavy-duty painkillers (Schedule II Controlled Substances) to deal with a chronic pain syndrome, when there is an emergency, often the responding medical team members freeze when they hear the "patient" (for lack of a better word) is using painkillers (Schedule II) - they just do not know how to deal with this, AND they don't want the liability.

For sake of this discussion, for example, when my cousin (whom I have previously mentioned has a chronic arthritic pain syndrome) accidently cut her foot when she dropped a glass on the kitchen floor, the EMT squad came, and after asking common questions like: What type of medications are you on? etc.; they wouldn't do anything except wrap her foot really tight with a compress and transport her to the local ER. At the ER, the doctors there froze up, and she ended up waiting an hour+ in one of the ER rooms because they had to check out her story with ALL of her doctors: her general MD, and her pain management doctor, etc. They told the ER doctors that my cousin has really good control of her medications (her doctors count every single pill), that she had never OD'd, etc. Only after her story was completely backed up by her doctors, would the ER doctors finally treat my cousin: washed her foot, stitches, applied antiseptic, vaccination shot, etc. She had to wait in pain all of this time until her story checked out.

At a later appointment, my cousin's main/general MD made the comment that he didn't want my cousin, since she is his patient, dying on HIS watch.

The point I am trying to make with all of this is: Yeah, calling 911 probably would have been the right thing to do. But it probably would have taken some time to get to a doctor that would know what to do in a case like this. I think that Prince needed a Pain Management Doctor. Would a Pain Management Doctor have been available to take a 911 distress call?!?!?

We need to wait until the autopsy results come out to know exactly what Prince was going through. But since we seem to be debating the pros/cons of pain relief, I just wanted to point out that just not any old doctor would have known how to help Prince.

[Edited 5/22/16 16:35pm]

tmo1965 said:

kapo74 said:

Can this part be closed untill the official report is released? Or do we really need another 50 pages of speculation?

Some of us are grieving here and talking about what could have caused Prince's sudden death or speculating, as you call it, is helping me cope with the loss of my favorite singer for most of my life, the past 38 years. I've been down with Prince since his very first LP when I was 12 years old.

Agreed.

As we all dealing in our ways with losing someone that has meant so much to us in SO many different ways, we all have our stories and moments etc... So everything at this point is nothing more than speculation and not helping its just creating more questions. THE FACT is no matter what is said there is always going to be questions of why this and that? simply because he was alone.

delinquent said:

USA Today article from 5/19, not sure if any of it is news here.

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Bullet points:

• "[T]here's no resolution in sight at least for a few more weeks."
• Kirk Johnson has hired a criminal defense attorney
• PRINCE Act was dropped due to first amendment concerns
• Tyka didn't include Duane Nelson Sr. as a known sibling for undisclosed reasons

Someone in the last thread mentioned there could be a 150-day period before the results would be released to the public. I'm trying to find something that corroborates that likelihood but I'm not having any luck.

[Edited 5/22/16 9:15am]

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I hope they don't come down on Kirk if he gave Prince a few painkillers at some point. If that's what P wanted, then it's not really Kirk's fault. It sounds like Prince was under some Dr's supervision there at the end, so not like Kirk is responsible for what happened.

FunkiestOne said:

delinquent said:

USA Today article from 5/19, not sure if any of it is news here.

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Bullet points:

• "[T]here's no resolution in sight at least for a few more weeks."
• Kirk Johnson has hired a criminal defense attorney
• PRINCE Act was dropped due to first amendment concerns
• Tyka didn't include Duane Nelson Sr. as a known sibling for undisclosed reasons

Someone in the last thread mentioned there could be a 150-day period before the results would be released to the public. I'm trying to find something that corroborates that likelihood but I'm not having any luck.

[Edited 5/22/16 9:15am]

That sounds a bit far fetched. Besides all the news outlets and TMZ would sue yo get them released earlier (freedom of information/public records).

cardinal said:

mailaccount63 said:

The point I am trying to make with all of this is: Yeah, calling 911 probably would have been the right thing to do. But it probably would have taken some time to get to a doctor that would know what to do in a case like this. I think that Prince needed a Pain Management Doctor. Would a Pain Management Doctor have been available to take a 911 distress call?!?!?

We need to wait until the autopsy results come out to know exactly what Prince was going through. But since we seem to be debating the pros/cons of pain relief, I just wanted to point out that just not any old doctor would have known how to help Prince.

I think I understand your point and don't disagree. OTOH, I think that 80% of doctors in the state of MN would have made themselves available for Prince. OTOOH, the rest of us are like your sister, we have to go with luck of the draw in such a situation, that's the norm.

It's also true that on that same day where they should have possibly called 911, Prince did go to the hospital, and then had a doctor visit him at home. So 911 wouldn't have added anything because as in Moline, Prince would not stay in the hospital. Going only by the bits of current info, it sounds more like the challenge was convincing Prince of what was needed, overall.

The truth is, we are heartbroken and want closure..... and some of us need to know why...? Or How this happened for many of us to have closure... grieving a loss is not the same for everyone

tmo1965 said:

kapo74 said:

Can this part be closed untill the official report is released? Or do we really need another 50 pages of speculation?

Some of us are grieving here and talking about what could have caused Prince's sudden death or speculating, as you call it, is helping me cope with the loss of my favorite singer for most of my life, the past 38 years. I've been down with Prince since his very first LP when I was 12 years old.

Agree kapo74. I'm here because I'm grieving the biggest influence in my life, musically, and in many ways since age 13. I appreciate hearing thoughts and facts about his health before his death and what the hell happened... I'm still in shock believe it or not, and just want the dialogue about his death to continue. Thx much.

Mumio said:

Good grief. If you don't want to read any speculation, no one is forcing you to come to this thread so please step out. I can't for the life of me figure out why some people here just want to stifle other people from saying what is on their mind. There's moderators here, there's rules...and if someone violates the rules then the mods will take care of it. People work out their grief however they have to and no one needs to approve of another's way of dealing. Please don't read what you don't like and let others be.

Yes. Right on, Munio.