tmo1965 said:

laurarichardson said:

PurpleBabied said:

I don't, really. Anecdotally, I've had bartenders serve me wine when I was 16, without checking my ID (and the law when I was 16 was that you had to be 21 to drink), and I sure as hell looked much younger than my peers, being about 5'1", 110 lb & dressed in clothes picked out by my mother. It's absolutely attitude and if you think Prince couldn't give off the air of someone much older?

On one hand, Kansas had super strict drinking laws. OTOH, Kansas didn't require peo...until 1985.

In the 1970s, you could be 18 and legally drink in Kansas. It could literally come down to the liquor content of the wine.

I'd go for conman. But also, I don't think that woman is swimming in money or even solvent, so she'd sell her story for a fraction of that if she had cash flow problems, even it were completely true.

I also wondered why she wouldn't have named a father but I think welfare reform only required to you to name a father after 1996.

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[Edited 6/21/16 12:08pm]

--- According to Chris Moon Prince came to his studio everyday to work and took 3 buses to get there and did not even have a drivers license. How did he get to Kansas when was saving his money to get to New York.

So so many holes which make no sense. I mean, unless she has witnesses or other evidence (receipts?) placing them at the bar & the hotel, it falls apart before a DNA test. How did they not get laughed out of court?

If it were MN or NYC otoh, maybe at first glance...Dude DID get around, it was the 1970s (Roe v. Wade was a thing, the pill was a thing, and AIDS wasn't on most people's radar, so condom usage wasn't emphasized as much...)

It would be cosmically funny and sad that after a lifetime of getting around, no oopses and really wanting children, they found direct descendants of Prince after he died.

PurpleBabied said:

tmo1965 said:

SpinsterSister said:

Well, this throws a wrench in the gears....what is everybody thinking? Duane's granddaughter is claiming heirship but will not take a blood test? An 11 year old girl is claiming heirship and somehow her aunt had a "personal" relationship with Prince? Is the 11 year old the same girl as Duane's granddaughter? So Prince may have slept with his niece and produced a daughter??? Please clarify for me, because that sounds way too fucked up.

No. The 11 year old is Duane's granddaughter through Duane's deceased son. Duane also has a daughter, who is still living. The granddaughter and daugther would split Duane's share of the inheritance. However, according the the Star Tribune article, the girl’s mother and her purported relationship to Prince are of a “personal nature.” The girl's mother is not blood related to Prince.

Now that would be special.



*run from gossip*

PurpleBabied said:

I don't, really. Anecdotally, I've had bartenders serve me wine when I was 16, without checking my ID (and the law when I was 16 was that you had to be 21 to drink), and I sure as hell looked much younger than my peers, being about 5'1", 110 lb & dressed in clothes picked out by my mother. It's absolutely attitude and if you think Prince couldn't give off the air of someone much older?

On one hand, Kansas had super strict drinking laws. OTOH, Kansas didn't require peo...until 1985.

In the 1970s, you could be 18 and legally drink in Kansas. It could literally come down to the liquor content of the wine.

I'd go for conman. But also, I don't think that woman is swimming in money or even solvent, so she'd sell her story for a fraction of that if she had cash flow problems, even it were completely true.

I also wondered why she wouldn't have named a father but I think welfare reform only required to you to name a father after 1996.

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[Edited 6/21/16 12:08pm]

This guy and his mother are both from Kansas City, Missouri.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PRINCE_ESTATE?SITE=WNYC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

The Associated Press also reported on the judge sealing the affidavits from potential heirs, and lawyers for some of the potential heirs are asking the judge to close next week's hearing.

laurarichardson said:

tmo1965 said:

No. The 11 year old is Duane's granddaughter through Duane's deceased son. Duane also has a daughter, who is still living. The granddaughter and daugther would split Duane's share of the inheritance. However, according the the Star Tribune article, the girl’s mother and her purported relationship to Prince are of a “personal nature.” The girl's mother is not blood related to Prince.

--- Your bold part is what is odd. What personal relationship did the girl's mother have with Prince.

So now the article has been updated to read that the girl's aunt had some sort of relationship with Prince, which is causing my imagnation to run wild. Which aunt? Brianna? Or the girl's mother's sister? If it's the later, what does that have to do with this probate case? It does not go into detail about the nature of the relationship.

This is about the most arrogant statement I've ever heard from a member of the media (and I've heard a lot):

“In this case in particular, it is hard to see how the privacy interests of individuals who have voluntarily inserted themselves into the probate proceeding outweigh the public’s right to know how the courts are handling the large estate of Minnesota’s most famous celebrity,” Walker said. “Media organizations here and across the country are watching this case carefully and are prepared to intervene if the access rights of the press or the public are infringed.”

BTW, did anyone else notice that the judge's order to seal the "affidavits of heirship" did not include 7 people from Alabama, who claim to be descendents of the sister of Prince's great-grandfather??? (They're all on the same form, so I'm guessing these are the ones collected by that group in New Orleans.)

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Who can be a heir according to Minnesota or federal law in the Prince situation?

udo said:

Who can be a heir according to Minnesota or federal law in the Prince situation?

Probate is controlled by state law, not federal. Here are the Minnesota rules for someone without a spouse who dies intestate (i.e., without a will):

https://www.revisor.mn.go...=524.2-103

udo said:

Who can be a heir according to Minnesota or federal law in the Prince situation?

Was the deceased married? Yes - Spouse receives the estate. No - Next question.

Did the deceased have offspring (blood or adopted)? Yes - Surviving kids and grandkids of non surviving kids (if any) share the estate. No - Next question.

Are there surving parents of the deceased (blood or adoptive)? Yes - surving parent(s) share the estate. No - Next question.

Does the deceased have siblings (blood or adopted)? Yes - Surviving siblings and kids of non surviving siblings (if any) share the estate.

I dont know if they stop there or then move on to aunts and uncles etc. At some point the State gets the lot. I also dont know what would happen if a sibling/offspring was dead but their spouse was alive and they had no kids. Would the spouse be an heir? Possibly not...

Thanks for answering my question.

EnDoRpHn said:

EnDoRpHn said:

udo said:

Who can be a heir according to Minnesota or federal law in the Prince situation?

Probate is controlled by state law, not federal. Here are the Minnesota rules for someone without a spouse who dies intestate (i.e., without a will):

https://www.revisor.mn.go...=524.2-103 <<<<<<<<<<<<<

I just wanted to emphasize this.

Rebeljuice said:

udo said:

Who can be a heir according to Minnesota or federal law in the Prince situation?

Was the deceased married? Yes - Spouse receives the estate. No - Next question.

Did the deceased have offspring (blood or adopted)? Yes - Surviving kids and grandkids of non surviving kids (if any) share the estate. No - Next question.

Are there surving parents of the deceased (blood or adoptive)? Yes - surving parent(s) share the estate. No - Next question.

Does the deceased have siblings (blood or adopted)? Yes - Surviving siblings and kids of non surviving siblings (if any) share the estate.

I dont know if they stop there or then move on to aunts and uncles etc. At some point the State gets the lot. I also dont know what would happen if a sibling/offspring was dead but their spouse was alive and they had no kids. Would the spouse be an heir? Possibly not...

I work in insurance, and with us if there is no beneficiary the order they search for is the same, spouse, children, siblings, estate. I do not work in claims so I am not sure how they handle it from there but we don't go as far as aunts/uncles/cousins. Now obvioulsy insurance is different than a state handeling appointing estate etc.

manabean84 said:

Rebeljuice said:

Was the deceased married? Yes - Spouse receives the estate. No - Next question.

Did the deceased have offspring (blood or adopted)? Yes - Surviving kids and grandkids of non surviving kids (if any) share the estate. No - Next question.

Are there surving parents of the deceased (blood or adoptive)? Yes - surving parent(s) share the estate. No - Next question.

Does the deceased have siblings (blood or adopted)? Yes - Surviving siblings and kids of non surviving siblings (if any) share the estate.

I dont know if they stop there or then move on to aunts and uncles etc. At some point the State gets the lot. I also dont know what would happen if a sibling/offspring was dead but their spouse was alive and they had no kids. Would the spouse be an heir? Possibly not...

I work in insurance, and with us if there is no beneficiary the order they search for is the same, spouse, children, siblings, estate. I do not work in claims so I am not sure how they handle it from there but we don't go as far as aunts/uncles/cousins. Now obvioulsy insurance is different than a state handeling appointing estate etc.

Talking about insurance.... You are comparing apples and oranges - completely different subject. Insurance is contractual, even if no specific beneficiary is named. Which means: Insurance is usually a nonprobate asset - unless someone would specifically make their estate the beneficiary - which sometimes is done, like for example, if there are minor children. If no specific beneficiaries are named in the insurance contract, insurance contracts have a "default" listed order that is used to determine the beneficiaries.

In Prince's estate case, there does not seem to be a Will - which means the beneficiaries will be determined by Minnesota probate law - probate law has its own listed order to determine the beneficiaries.

If you don't have a Will drawn up, your respective state has a default one for you in its probate laws.



(This is for informational purposes only. This is not legal advice, and does not constitute a relationship with a client. This is based on my current knowledge, belief, and experience. If you have any questions regarding your specific estate, please seek advice from your attorney.)

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mailaccount63 said:

EnDoRpHn said:

Probate is controlled by state law, not federal. Here are the Minnesota rules for someone without a spouse who dies intestate (i.e., without a will):

https://www.revisor.mn.go...=524.2-103 <<<<<<<<<<<<<

I just wanted to emphasize this.

Am I the only one having problem accessing the MN probate site? I keep getting email updates, but the site is not responding.

mailaccount63 said:

"Pleadings" are legal documents that are filed with the court.

Reminder:
To see what documents have been filed with the Court in Prince's estate case, see:

http://www.mncourts.gov/I...elson.aspx


(This is not legal advice. This is for for informational purposes only.)

nelcp777 said:

Am I the only one having problem accessing the MN probate site? I keep getting email updates, but the site is not responding.

Maybe we caused it to crash. <<just teasing.

Maybe they are updating it. Wait an hour or so, and then try again.

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I need you guys to reassure me that that clown in jail is not Prince's son. I have been "obsessing" over it since it first came out. I admit, I am a bit gullible at times and I get worked up over little stuff, but this has really been bothering me. I know we probably won't find out for a while, but I need someone to talk me down. The thought of Prince's songs and PP studio going to that person makes me ill.

sallyb said:

I need you guys to reassure me that that clown in jail is not Prince's son. I have been "obsessing" over it since it first came out. I admit, I am a bit gullible at times and I get worked up over little stuff, but this has really been bothering me. I know we probably won't find out for a while, but I need someone to talk me down. The thought of Prince's songs and PP studio going to that person makes me ill.

There is nothing, AFAIK, that places Prince & that dude's mom in the same state, let alone the same room at the time she alleges.

sallyb said:

I need you guys to reassure me that that clown in jail is not Prince's son. I have been "obsessing" over it since it first came out. I admit, I am a bit gullible at times and I get worked up over little stuff, but this has really been bothering me. I know we probably won't find out for a while, but I need someone to talk me down. The thought of Prince's songs and PP studio going to that person makes me ill.

I'm with you. My stomach turns thinking about somebody who didn't even know him have control over his everything.

mailaccount63 said:

manabean84 said:

I work in insurance, and with us if there is no beneficiary the order they search for is the same, spouse, children, siblings, estate. I do not work in claims so I am not sure how they handle it from there but we don't go as far as aunts/uncles/cousins. Now obvioulsy insurance is different than a state handeling appointing estate etc.

Talking about insurance.... You are comparing apples and oranges - completely different subject. Insurance is contractual, even if no specific beneficiary is named. Which means: Insurance is usually a nonprobate asset - unless someone would specifically make their estate the beneficiary - which sometimes is done, like for example, if there are minor children. If no specific beneficiaries are named in the insurance contract, insurance contracts have a "default" listed order that is used to determine the beneficiaries.

In Prince's estate case, there does not seem to be a Will - which means the beneficiaries will be determined by Minnesota probate law - probate law has its own listed order to determine the beneficiaries.

If you don't have a Will drawn up, your respective state has a default one for you in its probate laws.



(This is for informational purposes only. This is not legal advice, and does not constitute a relationship with a client. This is based on my current knowledge, belief, and experience. If you have any questions regarding your specific estate, please seek advice from your attorney.)

[Edited 6/22/16 7:27am]

This would be the reason I stated "obviously insurance is different"

PurpleBabied said:

sallyb said:

I need you guys to reassure me that that clown in jail is not Prince's son. I have been "obsessing" over it since it first came out. I admit, I am a bit gullible at times and I get worked up over little stuff, but this has really been bothering me. I know we probably won't find out for a while, but I need someone to talk me down. The thought of Prince's songs and PP studio going to that person makes me ill.

There is nothing, AFAIK, that places Prince & that dude's mom in the same state, let alone the same room at the time she alleges.

I dismissed that guy the minute that I read his claim that Prince met his mother in a hotel lobby. I couldn't stop LOL.

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manabean84 said:

mailaccount63 said:

Talking about insurance.... You are comparing apples and oranges - completely different subject. Insurance is contractual, even if no specific beneficiary is named. Which means: Insurance is usually a nonprobate asset - unless someone would specifically make their estate the beneficiary - which sometimes is done, like for example, if there are minor children. If no specific beneficiaries are named in the insurance contract, insurance contracts have a "default" listed order that is used to determine the beneficiaries.

In Prince's estate case, there does not seem to be a Will - which means the beneficiaries will be determined by Minnesota probate law - probate law has its own listed order to determine the beneficiaries.

If you don't have a Will drawn up, your respective state has a default one for you in its probate laws.



(This is for informational purposes only. This is not legal advice, and does not constitute a relationship with a client. This is based on my current knowledge, belief, and experience. If you have any questions regarding your specific estate, please seek advice from your attorney.)

[Edited 6/22/16 7:27am]

This would be the reason I stated "obviously insurance is different"

I wanted to explain WHY insurance is different.

[Edited 6/22/16 14:20pm]

Will the inventory list if assets have to be made public? Once an heir is determined, will the records and court documents be restricted from the public?

Surprise. Surprise.

http://www.tmz.com/2016/0...-williams/

I feel like a Maury Povich gif is appropriate.

:/