TrivialPursuit said:

Aerogram said:

I can't help it, my guts tell me your post is over hysterically judgmental since it lays almost criminal blame at an individual when you are just going by your "guts". Prince chose his faith the same way he chose everything in his life: he did what he wanted to do, listened to whom he wanted to listen to. He was not only a grown up man, he was master of his domain, a legend, an icon, and very stubborn.

an absolute classic....

Seems like he chose Larry and the JW doctrine over his wife Mayte back in '98. Kind of sucks.

Marrk said:

nursev said:

Again fuck LG...never trusted his ass and still don't.

Prince got duped or should I say fooled...

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Astasheiks said:

nursev said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Larry obviously gave him relief and comfort. Meanwhile all of his detractors didnt give a shit about Prince. All they ever did was demand more of Prince and criticize him for his professional and non-professional choices, disregarding the death of his child.

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nursev said:

Iamtheorg said:

Larry obviously gave him relief and confort. Meanwhile all of his detractors didnt give a shit about Prince. All they ever did was demand more pf Prince and criticize him for his professioanl and non-professional choices, disregarding the death of his child.

And they're still pissing and moaning and whining even though it's possible that the man worked himself to death.

You can give a person peace guidance and love without changing their whole being and that is essentially what Larry did. He changed that part of Prince that made him Prince. Like I said were all just fans looking from the outside in, but Im sure we can agree that to change a persons whole essence is just wrong.

For the fourth time....fuck him and nothing he says will make me change that belief.

You sound ignorant as hell.

Larry led Prince down a path towards self destruction?

Thats an odd statment. So from 1996 on it was all downhill from there?

Seriously, wtf is wrong with some of you people? In his death you feel free to troll like this? This is what Ben went on CNN proudly esposuing the good of Prince.org about?

smh

Junglehop said:

I can't help it, my gut tells me Larry Graham wasn't a positive influence on Prince's life. I feel he exploited vulnerabilities in Prince, and acting as a defacto father figure of sorts, he manipulated and smothered him, ultimately robbing Prince of his own personal power. I can't help feeling Larry led Prince down a path toward self destruction.

nursev said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

nursev said:

You can give a person peace guidance and love without changing their whole being and that is essentially what Larry did. He changed that part of Prince that made him Prince. Like I said were all just fans looking from the outside in, but Im sure we can agree that to change a persons whole essence is just wrong.

Did LG hold a gun to Prince saying you better be like me, change your ways or else? P was a 35 year old man and not like LG was James Brown age at that time. It was just a 12 year age difference. Thats Damon Wayans and Marlon Wayans age gap. Is it wrong if Prince wanted to change and asked for LGs help?

I just said that we all need guidance, peace and love. Larry knew that, but yes he took advantage of a person in a very dark place mentally. It's funny though that Prince dies at 57 more than likely due to some procedure he needed and that their doctrine says he couldnt have and Larry is still alive...that shit is wrong and u know it is. Ive always liked u LBC but wrong is wrong.

nursev said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

nursev said:

I just said that we all need guidance, peace and love. Larry knew that, but yes he took advantage of a person in a very dark place mentally. It's funny though that Prince dies at 57 more than likely due to some procedure he needed and that their doctrine says he couldnt have and Larry is still alive...that shit is wrong and u know it is. Ive always liked u LBC but wrong is wrong.

If LG was doing this it was obviously for a gain. What did he gain from this, if anything? Because of he didn't do it out of his heart he did it for a gain of something. I dont know LG or Prince so thats as far as I can go with this situation. Too me it's not even a situation its grown men.

Dont know what he gained and really dont care. He did perform with Prince from time to time so maybe he got paid...who knows. Too much of anything can be bad for you and religion is included in that. I find it interesting that Larry has never said anything about how he came to be so influential in Princes life Prince idolized him and probably took everything he said and did to heart and that can be very powerful.

Larry and his JW faith really altered the rawness and sexuality of Prince's music. That cannot be denied. The is no doubt his best work was sexually infused. Im fine with saying Larry's influence on Prince was bad for the music, but probably good for Prince when he needed it the most. I am a fan of every Prince era, but, for me, the last time we experienced the original Prince was The Gold Experience. Chaos and Disorder, Crystal Ball, and Emancipation had its moments of OG Prince, but that was the end of it.

DarkKnight1 said:

Larry and his JW faith really altered the rawness and sexuality of Prince's music. That cannot be denied. The is no doubt his best work was sexually infused. Im fine with saying Larry's influence on Prince was bad for the music, but probably good for Prince when he needed it the most. I am a fan of every Prince era, but, for me, the last time we experienced the original Prince was The Gold Experience. Chaos and Disorder, Crystal Ball, and Emancipation had its moments of OG Prince, but that was the end of it.

agreed 100%

Larry and Prince are simply victims of this dark ages hangover of believing in make believe sky daddies. Its that simple.

I've always felt as long as Prince was happy, he's free to believe whatever he wanted... *shrug*

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Prince is the greatest artist of all time, he could sing about anything and make it sound good.

DarkKnight1 said:

Larry and his JW faith really altered the rawness and sexuality of Prince's music. That cannot be denied. The is no doubt his best work was sexually infused. Im fine with saying Larry's influence on Prince was bad for the music, but probably good for Prince when he needed it the most. I am a fan of every Prince era, but, for me, the last time we experienced the original Prince was The Gold Experience. Chaos and Disorder, Crystal Ball, and Emancipation had its moments of OG Prince, but that was the end of it.

Exactly.....for you.

I love the majority of Prince's songs that are not sexually infused.

The fact that he altered some of the rawness and sexuality has never bothered me. For some of us he was still every bit of Prince.

Nobody, and I mean NO-body could have interpreted JW doctrine quite the way he did. The man had an extraordinary mind.

nursev said:

Astasheiks said:

Prince got duped or should I say fooled...

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Seriously I use to like Larry especially in his one in a million days...but people are saying we shouldn't blame him...really? Prince needed guidance and Larry took advantage of that. I believe that and always will. Yes Prince made his own decisions, but Larry influenced him. He indeed fooled the hell oughtta him. What grown man packs up and moves to another state for another man that's not blood related to him? shit is foul

Yep, He moved because Prince was a Superstar...

LittleBLUECorvette said:

nursev said:

Seriously I use to like Larry especially in his one in a million days...but people are saying we shouldn't blame him...really? Prince needed guidance and Larry took advantage of that. I believe that and always will. Yes Prince made his own decisions, but Larry influenced him. He indeed fooled the hell oughtta him. What grown man packs up and moves to another state for another man that's not blood related to him? shit is foul

And what did LG get out of it, an album 18 years ago and a few spots here and there on a few of Prince's shows. Was Prince paying him well, gave him a piece of his publishing, back in the spotlihgt again (nope.) What was it Larry got out of this?

Doing Lucys work, leading lost sheep astray!!!

• Any teaching that redefines the person of Jesus Christ. Doctrine that denies the deity of Christ, the virgin birth, His sinless nature, His actual death, or His physical resurrection is false doctrine. A group’s errant Christology readily identifies it as a sect or cult that may claim to be Christian but is actually teaching false doctrine. Even many mainline denominations have begun the rapid slide into apostasy by declaring that they no longer hold to a literal interpretation of Scripture or the deity of Christ. First John 4:1–3 makes it clear that a denial of biblical Christology is “anti-Christ.” Jesus described false teachers within the church as “wolves in sheep’s clothing” (Matthew 7:15).

• The erasing of hell. The Bible describes hell as a real place of eternal torment, the destination for every unregenerate soul (Revelation 20:15; 2 Thessalonians 1:8). A denial of hell directly contradicts Jesus’ own words (Matthew 10:28; 25:46) and is therefore a false doctrine.

Doctrine is “a set of ideas or beliefs that are taught or believed to be true.” Biblical doctrine refers to teachings that align with the revealed Word of God, the Bible. False doctrine is any idea that adds to, takes away from, contradicts, or nullifies the doctrine given in God’s Word. For example, any teaching about Jesus that denies His virgin birth is a false doctrine, because it contradicts the clear teaching of Scripture (Matthew 1:18).

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Y'know...maybe all Larry said to Prince was, "You don't have to be that anymore if you don't want to. It's okay to let go of the past - with all its pain - and be who you are now. If people want something else from you, that's their issue."

koolwater said:

There is a time & place for this discussion and I'm open to discussing it but I don't think this is the place

bye Larry

Genesia said:

Y'know...maybe all Larry said to Prince was, "You don't have to be that anymore if you don't want to. It's okay to let go of the past - with all its pain - and be who you are now. If people want something else from you, that's their issue."

Sounds good to me.