http://www.etonline.com/news/2016/05/24238597/set_prince_memorial_program2.jpg

This says at Prince's JW Memorial, Larry was on the Program for Interview: Larry Graham

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Astasheiks said:

http://www.etonline.com/news/2016/05/24238597/set_prince_memorial_program2.jpg

This says at Prince's JW Memorial, Larry was on the Program for Interview: Larry Graham

That's some weird stuff in that. About better to mourn than rejoice and better to have a sad face than a happy face. SMH

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CROWNS1 said:

Astasheiks said:

http://www.etonline.com/news/2016/05/24238597/set_prince_memorial_program2.jpg

This says at Prince's JW Memorial, Larry was on the Program for Interview: Larry Graham

[Edited 7/5/16 11:52am]

That's some weird stuff in that. About better to mourn than rejoice and better to have a sad face than a happy face. SMH

Your post didn't post correctly, it looks like I wrote the last 2 sentences but its actually Crowns1....Corrected it

Menes said:

Prince's problem would be mixing religion (which is primarily concerned with morals) with his philosophy (which was how he saw ethics in his personal life). The big difference is morals have to do with man's relationship with God, and ethics has to do with man's relationship to man.

Most organized sub-sects of world religions deal in morals that are absolute. Ethics are relative. At times he was contrary to a lot of his religious morals, especially those of JW, yet he enjoyed his freedom to form his own ethics. Sort of "have your cake and it too".

Very true. Hence if you look at some of his former musicians and people like Gayle, Dez, Denise and Robia LaMorte (Pearl), when they got serious about religion, they left.

Now I'm not saying that Prince was going to be one of those artists that turned to Gospel music BUT I do think that had he had some other people around him more that was serious about their own Christian domination, he probably would had became a member of a different Christian demonation vs. joining up with the JWs.

prince had a very stern, legalistic, unforgiving father. how could it have been a good thing that LG took up that role. I'm sure JlNelson mellowed a bit over time, and I'm sure LG isn't as bad as JLN at his worst,but still....

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FWIW I met LG a few times in when I lived in Nashville in the 90s. The wife was with him twice and they were the epitome of "fake nice" tele-evangelist smile in your face,damn u to hell behind your back types. this is before they met P, they might have been different but i doubt it.

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on a positive tip, i used to see dez and his family at the Turtles in Brentwood all the time. genuinly lovely man. i was surprised how short he was, maybe 5'5". the boys were darling,the wife a pill. i could only laugh when i read in hahn's and light's books about her being a bitch- i could totally see it. she was also fake nice.

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I remember reporters asking Larry about Prince right after he died and Larry looked frightened. I think he knows something that he's not telling.

wavesofbliss said:

prince had a very stern, legalistic, unforgiving father. how could it have been a good thing that LG took up that role. I'm sure JlNelson mellowed a bit over time, and I'm sure LG isn't as bad as JLN at his worst,but still....

+++

FWIW I met LG a few times in when I lived in Nashville in the 90s. The wife was with him twice and they were the epitome of "fake nice" tele-evangelist smile in your face,damn u to hell behind your back types. this is before they met P, they might have been different but i doubt it.

+++

on a positive tip, i used to see dez and his family at the Turtles in Brentwood all the time. genuinly lovely man. i was surprised how short he was, maybe 5'5". the boys were darling,the wife a pill. i could only laugh when i read in hahn's and light's books about her being a bitch- i could totally see it. she was also fake nice.

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Thanks for your thoughts on this....appreciate it.

Astasheiks said:

Bunsterdk said:

Astasheiks said:

It's directly from the Bible. If you look it up, it's in your Bible too, probably worded differently as the translations are different, but same meaning. It simply means that a man has had a chance to show who he is when he dies, and if he has shown himself to be faithful to God (not perfect, but faithful in his heart), then there is reason to celebrate that. As Prince himself said long ago in that interview with Mel B. I'll celebrate the day I die. And it is better to be thoughtful and in prayer for instance than partying all the time and not having any real meaning in your life. That doesn't mean you should never party. Salomon says elsewhere that there's a time for everything, including having fun. The scriptures quoted were no doubt explained at the memorial. And there are references so you can look each of them up in your own Bible. It was natural for Larry to speak at the memorial, being his close friend. And I saw him in that interview too. You're projecting, he wasn't afraid, he was in shock and terribly sad after losing his brother and friend so suddenly. He probably didn't want to break down and cry. How did you feel that day and you never knew him personally! Yes, obviously he knew of the plane incident even if Prince or others at PP didn't contact him, but we were all told it was due to the flu and dehydration. My guess is that Prince was in denial. His actions point in that direction. Sometimes I think some people see this as a reality show and think they get to vote people out of Prince's life. It was his life. His. And he never enrolled in a reality show for us to be judge and jury in. If he was so gullible, wouldn't he have listened to you? I read some of the threads on the Org way back when he converted, and surely he did too. Just maybe he was able to make up his own mind about things after all? Using logic and his already vast knowledge of the Bible. That doesn't mean we have to agree with him on everything, but respecting his opinions and believing everything he did isn't the same thing. I always try to respect the choices of others and their right to disagree with me. God gave us the freedom to choose after all. We must each one of us accept the consequences of our choices of course, but it is our right to choose. So I could go on all day about Catholicism, Protestantism and a lot of other "isms", but I won't. That's your choice. I offer to explain my choice, but I won't speak ill of yours. That to me is about respect and Christian love. Do unto others..

Like you said, we are all entitled to our own opinions and mine is that LG was way closer and more influential to Prince than the rest of us who heard about the plane incident and accepted the flu and dehydration story.
Again, how can you be so close to Prince and not know about his pill dependency/addiction/health problems/whatever was going on with the man? "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." So to me, he was either ill and some people knew about it, or he was addicted and some people knew about it. Somebody knew. After all, both Sheila E and Kravitz stated they knew what had happened when they heard the news about his passing. I have come to accept the possibility of him doing drugs simply because he needed them to function and always be on top form.
I don't like LG because he comes across as fake for some reason.

Bunsterdk said:

Astasheiks said:

It's directly from the Bible. If you look it up, it's in your Bible too, probably worded differently as the translations are different, but same meaning. It simply means that a man has had a chance to show who he is when he dies, and if he has shown himself to be faithful to God (not perfect, but faithful in his heart), then there is reason to celebrate that. As Prince himself said long ago in that interview with Mel B. I'll celebrate the day I die. And it is better to be thoughtful and in prayer for instance than partying all the time and not having any real meaning in your life. That doesn't mean you should never party. Salomon says elsewhere that there's a time for everything, including having fun. The scriptures quoted were no doubt explained at the memorial. And there are references so you can look each of them up in your own Bible. It was natural for Larry to speak at the memorial, being his close friend. And I saw him in that interview too. You're projecting, he wasn't afraid, he was in shock and terribly sad after losing his brother and friend so suddenly. He probably didn't want to break down and cry. How did you feel that day and you never knew him personally! Yes, obviously he knew of the plane incident even if Prince or others at PP didn't contact him, but we were all told it was due to the flu and dehydration. My guess is that Prince was in denial. His actions point in that direction. Sometimes I think some people see this as a reality show and think they get to vote people out of Prince's life. It was his life. His. And he never enrolled in a reality show for us to be judge and jury in. If he was so gullible, wouldn't he have listened to you? I read some of the threads on the Org way back when he converted, and surely he did too. Just maybe he was able to make up his own mind about things after all? Using logic and his already vast knowledge of the Bible. That doesn't mean we have to agree with him on everything, but respecting his opinions and believing everything he did isn't the same thing. I always try to respect the choices of others and their right to disagree with me. God gave us the freedom to choose after all. We must each one of us accept the consequences of our choices of course, but it is our right to choose. So I could go on all day about Catholicism, Protestantism and a lot of other "isms", but I won't. That's your choice. I offer to explain my choice, but I won't speak ill of yours. That to me is about respect and Christian love. Do unto others..

It's weird, no matter whose bible it's in.

MMJas said:

CROWNS1 said:

rightbluecheek said:

MMJas said:

Like you said, we are all entitled to our own opinions and mine is that LG was way closer and more influential to Prince than the rest of us who heard about the plane incident and accepted the flu and dehydration story.
Again, how can you be so close to Prince and not know about his pill dependency/addiction/health problems/whatever was going on with the man? "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." So to me, he was either ill and some people knew about it, or he was addicted and some people knew about it. Somebody knew. After all, both Sheila E and Kravitz stated they knew what had happened when they heard the news about his passing. I have come to accept the possibility of him doing drugs simply because he needed them to function and always be on top form.
I don't like LG because he comes across as fake for some reason.

The problem is, people are blaming others they dislike for Prince's choice. I've said it before, I don't really like LG either. But it's not his fault Prince made choices. If Prince had not /wanted/ to be come a JW, he wouldn't have, no matter what LG said to him. You guys really need to stop blaming other people and trying to pretend Prince wasn't a grown ass man just because you don't like certain people. It's offensive and childish. Honestly, there are quite a few of you who need to step away from here and go see a therapist, because you frankly don't know how to separate fantasy from reality. And I'm seeing a lot of fantasy in this thread and a LOT of others.

Grow the hell up. This was no one's fault but Prince's. Nobody MADE him do this. No one was obligated to force him to do anything. Fuck off with this nonsense.

Wlcm2thdwn3 said:

Bunsterdk said:

rightbluecheek said:

Just out of curiosity I went to http://biblehub.com And searched for Ecclesiastes 7. You can switch between the various versions (translations) and it's incredible the way the meaning changes, maybe slightly, but it's that little bit that makes it different. IMO the JW version is far more judgemental than many others. And judgement is usually not a good thing for ppl's minds.

Just read the whole chapter in my own Danish JW translation and I see no judgement anywhere. There is a big understanding of human frailty to be found in that chapter. I love it. Salomon was a very wise man who saw behind many of the things that man will strive to get, but that are really worthless. He even warns in this chapter against setting the bar too high for yourself and others. I see a lot of love and understanding here. Guess we read it differently. Just found one of my favourites from that chapter in the English JW translation. We are none of us perfect and can easily ruin it for ourselves and others if we demand perfection. Very balanced view in this and the following verses imo: "16 Do not be overly righteous, nor show yourself excessively wise. Why should you bring ruin to yourself?" [Edited 7/6/16 6:42am]

I have to agree that everyone reads with their own mind, hence the different meaning one attributes to words. Who knows what may happen translating the same words in another language, and another, and another.... I have great respect for the scriptures, but I see them for what they are...human wisdom written millennia ago in three dead languages. What I wanted to point out, and I thank you for helping me be more precise, is that, for this reason exactly, they need to be read with wisdom and common sense, that deep down are present in every human being. Sometimes, unfortunately, the meaning of those words can be distorted or taken in a certain direction, stressing out some things vs others, and this could lead to different interpretations. Regarding frailty of humans, that is a very big subject definitely worth of further discussion. Thank you for answering!

rightbluecheek said:

Blakbear said:

MMJas said:

The problem is, people are blaming others they dislike for Prince's choice. I've said it before, I don't really like LG either. But it's not his fault Prince made choices. If Prince had not /wanted/ to be come a JW, he wouldn't have, no matter what LG said to him. You guys really need to stop blaming other people and trying to pretend Prince wasn't a grown ass man just because you don't like certain people. It's offensive and childish. Honestly, there are quite a few of you who need to step away from here and go see a therapist, because you frankly don't know how to separate fantasy from reality. And I'm seeing a lot of fantasy in this thread and a LOT of others.

Grow the hell up. This was no one's fault but Prince's. Nobody MADE him do this. No one was obligated to force him to do anything. Fuck off with this nonsense.

I did not blame anyone. In fact, I've stated many times on other threads that Prince made his own choices. Where did you read that I blamed LG for Prince becoming a JW? Or for taking drugs? Nowhere. What i said was that I felt LG had a lot of influence over Prince and because of that he must have known something was up, either an ilness or an addiction. It's not something you can desguise for that long. What i said was I find it hard to believe that nobody knew something was wrong. Especially those that were as close to him as LG was. Somebody must have known something, that was the gist of my comment.
So please learn how to read.

MMJas said:

MMJas said:

Like you said, we are all entitled to our own opinions and mine is that LG was way closer and more influential to Prince than the rest of us who heard about the plane incident and accepted the flu and dehydration story.
Again, how can you be so close to Prince and not know about his pill dependency/addiction/health problems/whatever was going on with the man? "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." So to me, he was either ill and some people knew about it, or he was addicted and some people knew about it. Somebody knew. After all, both Sheila E and Kravitz stated they knew what had happened when they heard the news about his passing. I have come to accept the possibility of him doing drugs simply because he needed them to function and always be on top form. I don't like LG because he comes across as fake for some reason.

It's interesting U bring up what Lenny said. While he didn't state he knew what had happened, he said he had an idea. This is coming from a guy who hadn't even seen P in awhile by his own admission. That's 1 thing that's upsetting 2 me about Judith running her mouth about how "close and intimate" a relationship they had. When U can't even see what's clearly happening in front of U, U're either very, naive, more worried about what U're getting out of the relationship (record produced, trying to build a career.) or just plain stupid. I didn't know Shelia said anything of such, where was it reported she said that?

That last part of what U said? I might also add insincere amongst many other things. I'm just waiting 4 the book Larry will write to drop. I mean now that he let his meal ticket down, let's watch his career circle the drain and him scramble 2 the next thing. If it wasn't 4 P, ole Larry would have been done years ago and been playing tribute shows.

Bunsterdk said:

Astasheiks said:

And it is better to be thoughtful and in prayer for instance than partying all the time and not having any real meaning in your life. That doesn't mean you should never party. Salomon says elsewhere that there's a time for everything, including having fun. The scriptures quoted were no doubt explained at the memorial. And there are references so you can look each of them up in your own Bible.

It was natural for Larry to speak at the memorial, being his close friend. And I saw him in that interview too. You're projecting, he wasn't afraid, he was in shock and terribly sad after losing his brother and friend so suddenly. He probably didn't want to break down and cry. How did you feel that day and you never knew him personally!

Sometimes I think some people see this as a reality show and think they get to vote people out of Prince's life. It was his life. His. And he never enrolled in a reality show for us to be judge and jury in. If he was so gullible, wouldn't he have listened to you?

God gave us the freedom to choose after all. We must each one of us accept the consequences of our choices of course, but it is our right to choose. So I could go on all day about Catholicism, Protestantism and a lot of other "isms", but I won't. That's your choice. I offer to explain my choice, but I won't speak ill of yours. That to me is about respect and Christian love. Do unto others.

This.Right.Here.

GhostChick said:

Menes said:

Prince's problem would be mixing religion (which is primarily concerned with morals) with his philosophy (which was how he saw ethics in his personal life). The big difference is morals have to do with man's relationship with God, and ethics has to do with man's relationship to man.

Most organized sub-sects of world religions deal in morals that are absolute. Ethics are relative. At times he was contrary to a lot of his religious morals, especially those of JW, yet he enjoyed his freedom to form his own ethics. Sort of "have your cake and it too".

Very true. Hence if you look at some of his former musicians and people like Gayle, Dez, Denise and Robia LaMorte (Pearl), when they got serious about religion, they left.

Now I'm not saying that Prince was going to be one of those artists that turned to Gospel music BUT I do think that had he had some other people around him more that was serious about their own Christian domination, he probably would had became a member of a different Christian demonation vs. joining up with the JWs.

Amen!

MMJas said:

wavesofbliss said:

prince had a very stern, legalistic, unforgiving father. how could it have been a good thing that LG took up that role. I'm sure JlNelson mellowed a bit over time, and I'm sure LG isn't as bad as JLN at his worst,but still....

+++

FWIW I met LG a few times in when I lived in Nashville in the 90s. The wife was with him twice and they were the epitome of "fake nice" tele-evangelist smile in your face,damn u to hell behind your back types. this is before they met P, they might have been different but i doubt it.

+++

on a positive tip, i used to see dez and his family at the Turtles in Brentwood all the time. genuinly lovely man. i was surprised how short he was, maybe 5'5". the boys were darling,the wife a pill. i could only laugh when i read in hahn's and light's books about her being a bitch- i could totally see it. she was also fake nice.

[Edited 7/5/16 16:37pm]

The CLASSIC Wolves in Sheep clothing types.... Who need a good

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Blakbear said:

MMJas said:

I did not blame anyone. In fact, I've stated many times on other threads that Prince made his own choices. Where did you read that I blamed LG for Prince becoming a JW? Or for taking drugs? Nowhere. What i said was that I felt LG had a lot of influence over Prince and because of that he must have known something was up, either an ilness or an addiction. It's not something you can desguise for that long. What i said was I find it hard to believe that nobody knew something was wrong. Especially those that were as close to him as LG was. Somebody must have known something, that was the gist of my comment.
So please learn how to read.

Ah, but when you suggest what you have, you insinuate that Larry was somehow responsible for Prince. You indirectly blame Larry simply because you do not like him, and do not like the direction Prince took. You have no idea whether this was a direct result of Larry or not. And even if it was, so what? You don't get to decide what's right for anyone else. Please learn how to take responsibility for your feelings, sweetie. You also don't know what was going on in places you haven't been. I wasn't there, so I can't judge. Unlike you, I can accept that and not blame others for what they did or did not know.

The Majority on here don't like Larry bytch arse and you ain't going to change that. And yes he has some part to blame for getting P in that Cult!!!

Astasheiks said:

Blakbear said:

MMJas said:

I did not blame anyone. In fact, I've stated many times on other threads that Prince made his own choices. Where did you read that I blamed LG for Prince becoming a JW? Or for taking drugs? Nowhere. What i said was that I felt LG had a lot of influence over Prince and because of that he must have known something was up, either an ilness or an addiction. It's not something you can desguise for that long. What i said was I find it hard to believe that nobody knew something was wrong. Especially those that were as close to him as LG was. Somebody must have known something, that was the gist of my comment.
So please learn how to read.

Ah, but when you suggest what you have, you insinuate that Larry was somehow responsible for Prince. You indirectly blame Larry simply because you do not like him, and do not like the direction Prince took. You have no idea whether this was a direct result of Larry or not. And even if it was, so what? You don't get to decide what's right for anyone else. Please learn how to take responsibility for your feelings, sweetie. You also don't know what was going on in places you haven't been. I wasn't there, so I can't judge. Unlike you, I can accept that and not blame others for what they did or did not know.

You are very silly and still haven't learned how to read. I insinuated nothing. I don't like LG and always felt he came across as fake way before this tragic incident. I blamed nobody, I'm just wondering how come someone who seemed to be as close as LG did not know something was going on? In fact, I'm not even saying he did know. As for me thinking this was a direct result of Larry... what? Where are you getting all this from?
I'm sorry that my comment on the matter does not interest you, I probably should have just thrown in a pic of Prince's dong in tight pants for good measure.

MMJas said:

Blakbear said:

MMJas said:

You are very silly and still haven't learned how to read. I insinuated nothing. I don't like LG and always felt he came across as fake way before this tragic incident. I blamed nobody, I'm just wondering how come someone who seemed to be as close as LG did not know something was going on? In fact, I'm not even saying he did know. As for me thinking this was a direct result of Larry... what? Where are you getting all this from?
I'm sorry that my comment on the matter does not interest you, I probably should have just thrown in a pic of Prince's dong in tight pants for good measure.

You are very silly yourself. I got it directly from you. But whatever, if you cannot see how your own words are giving of exactly the impression I get of you, then I can't be bothered with you. You can neither read nor write, so feel free to post pics of Prince's dong. Those are more entertaining than any ridiculous response you might have. Have a good day, kid, I'm done with you and your equally stupid friend Asta. You two ho spend more time blaming Larry for shit he couldn't control. Or expecting him to see shit he couldn't, for whatever reason he didn't see it.

You are still acusing me of blaming LG, so there's no point in continuing this "conversation". I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone who spews venom and insults people in every single sentence. Bye.